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Title: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: owens on August 07, 2013, 10:02:48 am

Is the War of the Roses hate because Warband players myself included are terrible at it?

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I imagine so. I persisted with it given no choice and i like some of its features others i hate. The fact that relative weapon speed is logical and that armour actually works in a realistic way is really cool. Weapons breaking is good but in my opinion primary weapons should be tougher along with certain secondaries, others being special tools.

Cav is retarded. After the latest patch archery is balanaced.

The combat is completely different to that of warband. No hilt slashing when, it comes to weapons what you see is what you get. I like the way some weapon build combinations hard counter others. I dont like the way stabs work. its rediculous that the stab hits to one side of centre screen.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: EyeBeat on August 07, 2013, 10:07:57 am

Quote from: owens on August 07, 2013, 10:02:48 am

its rediculous that the stab hits to one side of centre screen

Welcome to the 1h over head.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: owens on August 07, 2013, 10:18:51 am

It really isnt that bad.


Do you get it though. Maybe we are just used to warband and its non sensicle for someone coming from a different gaming background?

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Christo on August 07, 2013, 10:20:19 am

Are you being paid to defend that piece of shit?

I can't see any other logical reasons right now.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Vibe on August 07, 2013, 10:21:29 am

we hate on it because the game is a fucking abomination

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: the real god emperor on August 07, 2013, 10:23:40 am

I am pretty good at WotR with my light armor 1h mace character, i just spin around high armoured shitlords  , and critical strike them. My ping helps me ofc.

Also its so easy to play with Poleaxe , you can make instakills if you hit the enemy with the right timing .

Yeah, the reason Warband players hate WotR is because its a retarded game. Hope their next game will be better.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Christo on August 07, 2013, 10:24:32 am

Quote from: Kratos on August 07, 2013, 10:23:40 am

Hope their next game will be better.

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spoilers: it won't  :lol:

In fatshark we don't trust

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Vovka on August 07, 2013, 10:26:50 am

It's funny to read the posts of the paradox forum, "so sad that WoTR battle is not as dynamic as in MB", "I would like to make the game more like the MB", "I hope the Vikings will be more similar to the MB than to WoTR", etc.)) I think they got butheart every day  :lol:

And I hope Melee will be more similar to the MB than to WoTR   :twisted:

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on August 07, 2013, 10:30:41 am

Not to be cocky or arrogant, but that's the last reason I hate it. I'm actually really good at the game (as I'm sure most people are who have come from a significant background in c-RPG, all my friends who play c-RPG and tried it are just as great as me at it) and it's incredibly easy. It's extremely dumbed down compared to c-RPG. Me and all my friends/clanmates who play c-RPG and tried WoTR, will literally just roll servers, yet we still don't have fun. Why? Because it's a shit game. Tried as hard as I could to not sound super arrogant, sorry if I still did. But to be fair, I'm sure anyone who's played it after playing c-RPG has raped shit just as hard and knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Vibe on August 07, 2013, 11:02:04 am

Quote from: Kratos on August 07, 2013, 10:23:40 am

Hope their next game will be better.

You're not Activision enough to call a reskin/DLC "their next game"

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: okiN on August 07, 2013, 11:23:13 am

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Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Kadeth on August 07, 2013, 11:32:45 am

I dunno Owens, I would prefer to go back to playing DTV than WotR. I spent a few hours playing it and tried not to be too critical, but I couldn't ignore the terrible animations and hit registration.

Also, is it just me, or does landing a hit on someone not cancel their attack or stagger them or do anything? That's game breaking if so. Hopefully it was just because I was a low lvl or something.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 07, 2013, 08:15:56 pm

WotR sucks, because WotR sucks, not because we suck at it (it's an easy game to be good at, if you're not retarded). 

I gave it up due to the lack of any real noticeable difference between hitting an enemy, being blocked when swinging, or missing your swing.  Also it was hard to tell if I hit someone, was blocked, or missed entirely.  Didn't like the gimmicky cut scene executions or resurrections.  Felt like an arcadey/cod version of Warband. 

Chivalry was actually a really good game, 10x better than WotR (still not as near and dear to my heart as Warband or crpg)

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Leesin on August 07, 2013, 09:29:48 pm

Last time I played WotR properly I went 33-3 using ONLY thrusts with a 2h sword, no attempt to block, just run and thrust, easy as shit on that broken combat engine. All the whilst there are other weapons that are nearly completely useless, why? because even though the basic ideas they implemented were good ( weapons having sweetspots to hit, armours deflecting etc ) they never actually finished or balanced it all.

 Why would I use a weapon that has a tiny sweetspot that struggles to hit anyone because the slightest ping difference means that even though on your screen you hit him with the axe head, on his screen you slightly didn't and either missed or hit with the shaft, just one example.

Not only is the combat engine completely fucked up but a lot of the abilities they designed are retarded, there is a difference between warbands kick feature and having a skill or ability that all you have to do is either look at enemy and push it or block an attack and get an automatic free hit, examples again.

Basically, it's an attempt at a more "realistic" medieval game that failed and ended up as a broken, arcade, piece of shit game.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Patoson on August 07, 2013, 10:26:40 pm

I would love WotR if blocking weren't reverse - you have to click then move the mouse to block (WTF!?) - and a couple of things were better, but especially for the blocking system. I like the fact that lag affects the player with low ping and not like in Warband, but the silly blocking system is unplayable if you are used to Warband's.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Clockworkkiller on August 08, 2013, 03:43:38 am

Wait.... I've never played WoTR, but it honestly can't be worse than chivalry
 THAT was utter crap

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Leesin on August 08, 2013, 08:52:30 am

Quote from: Clockworkkiller on August 08, 2013, 03:43:38 am

Wait.... I've never played WoTR, but it honestly can't be worse than chivalry
 THAT was utter crap

Well regardless of your opinion on Chivalry, WotR IS worse, anyone who tells you otherwise is retarded.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Clockworkkiller on August 09, 2013, 05:57:10 pm

Ok, I just played it today,

I enjoy the graphics boost and the customization,
And I like the idea if holding your attacks to make them stronger,
However it makes the combat feel slow and clunky.
And the animations, dear god the animations combined with the shades or at night maps, I can not see what the fuck direction the attack is, wtf, not like you need to block anyway, most of these guys suck balls and just spam

So clunky combat, OP cav, and shitty blocking/animations, didn't really enjoy it, so fuck that game.

Now I can't decide if its worse than chivalry

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Patoson on August 09, 2013, 05:59:11 pm

Was I the only one who had reverse blocking? Cos I never figured out how to block like in Warband.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Apsod on August 10, 2013, 09:10:15 am

Quote from: Clockworkkiller on August 09, 2013, 05:57:10 pm

I enjoy the graphics boost and the customization,

The graphics are to arcadish for my taste.

Quote from: Clockworkkiller on August 09, 2013, 05:57:10 pm

And I like the idea if holding your attacks to make them stronger,

Already in Warband.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Clockworkkiller on August 11, 2013, 05:39:31 am

Quote from: Apsod on August 10, 2013, 09:10:15 am

Already in Warband.

That it is, true, but there's a lot more emphasis on it in WotR than in Warband

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Tibe on August 11, 2013, 09:24:21 am

Like others stated WotR just sucks. I too at first was thinking mybe its just shit cause im too used to Warband, but its really not the case. The game really is shit. Already the reason why your claim is wrong Owens is the fact that we dont really bash other medieval directional combat games as much as we do WotR. Chivalry was relatively a good game, despite the entitled opinion of the person above, which is fine. Most of us agree that chivalry was okay and dont bash it for example.

But im not suprised that the game is gonna have a sequel. We may think what we like, but the game generally got a positive feedback, due to the reason that it is loved by similar candyeating loud pottymouth cheetofingered kids and teenagers who also play CoD.

What is this "new" Vikinggarbage? Im pretty sure its like if you had to pay 25€ to play Warbands Vikingr mod.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on August 11, 2013, 11:13:27 am

Wotr is like playing warband with 10 fps and +300 ping

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Casimir on August 11, 2013, 11:55:06 pm

Yeah I didn't think chivalry was too bad.  Objective based game modes were a refreshing change from cRPG Battle/Siege, combat needed a bit more work and variety but nothing compared to the uterly flawed WotR

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Kafein on August 12, 2013, 10:34:51 am

Quote from: Patoson on August 07, 2013, 10:26:40 pm

I would love WotR if blocking weren't reverse - you have to click then move the mouse to block (WTF!?)

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It's like that in Warband too. You can click a little later though iirc.



To me the absolute worst part of WoTR is that attacking or blocking someone successfully doesn't result in any kind of stagger half the time and when it does its much too short. That's gamebreaking, plain and simple. The genius in Mount & Blade combat is the emphasis on blocking. In WoTR, you have to concentrate on attacking, because of how armor and holding works, but also because blocking is very weak.

Title: Re: WotR and why we suck at it and dis it
Post by: Patoson on August 12, 2013, 06:33:44 pm

Well, every time I have replayed that game (like 5 times by now), I have ended up uninstalling cos I was unable to block. I swear to you; blocking is like I described it, and I found no option to change it to normal.

But, yeah, the game sucks either way.