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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Global => Topic started by: Keshian on August 02, 2013, 08:59:24 am
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So we attacked Wolfgang's village - he is not currently there. We already have another army marching to attack it tomorrow. What is disconcerting is that Ashtre just left her faction (Occitan same as wolfgang) and marched a 1700 man army up to Rebache - the village we are attacking and atatcked her faction's village to prevent us from attacking it. We have had this discussion in the past with Tydeus CMP and Canary about this being a bannable offense.
http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/strategus-rules/
Strat map
1) CMP's rules for not attacking your village to delay your enemy
Ashtre has now attacked the village 3 hours after we did our first atatck in order to delay and prevent us from attacking it and take all the gear out with absentee owner.
Apostates had a major city (Sargoth) repeatedly attacked while fief owner was being attacked over and over again and they never once resorted to cheating like this.
I would also request the fief be transferred to FCC or otherwise recompensed for occitan cheating like this.
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Clearly stated as bannable.
Would say quick ban, don't allow him/her acces to the roster or others forms of participation in strategus.
Only thing is, give us prove he/she is allied with the attacked village.
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As of the battle she was in the occitan faction (same as rebache). Within 30 minutes of that battle ending she left the faction and marched her entire army up to rebache and attacked it 3 hours later (took time to get all those troops up there). All this should be in the logs. Its a fief transfer to delay us from attacking it with the fief owner now teleported to eu.
Our 1st battle:
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=4691 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=4691)
The fief transfer by attacking to delay us attacking battle:
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=4706 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=4706)
Us teleporting the fief owner just earlier that day:
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=4684 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=4684)
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Just a quick question:
IF Ashtree and Wolfgang/LCO DO fight it out, would you still keep this thread up?
I mean, that's a win win for you...
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Just a quick question:
IF Ashtree and Wolfgang/LCO DO fight it out, would you still keep this thread up?
I mean, that's a win win for you...
So when people get caught cheating and try to change things to not get in trouble after already breaking the rules they shoud get away with it? This would only encourage people to keep doing this. Its pretty blatant break of the rules and something should be done about it.
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So when people get caught cheating and try to change things to not get in trouble after already breaking the rules they shoud get away with it? This would only encourage people to keep doing this. Its pretty blatant break of the rules and something should be done about it.
But that's the point. If it's a legitimate fight, then your thread doesn't stand up.
Every single instance of "Blocking" the enemy revolved around no fight. IF there IS a fight, a legit fight, then it doesn't fall under this rule. It might be delaying, yes, but its still a full scale fight with XP. We could then pick up lots of fights that fit this definition and claim they are wrong. (Theme Battles that a faction throws would also fit under this definition of illegal if we applied it like that)
(Notice: all conditional on the fact that a battle happens. No battle happens, then I'm on the other side of abusive mechanics)
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But that's the point. If it's a legitimate fight, then your thread doesn't stand up.
Every single instance of "Blocking" the enemy revolved around no fight. IF there IS a fight, a legit fight, then it doesn't fall under this rule. It might be delaying, yes, but its still a full scale fight with XP. We could then pick up lots of fights that fit this definition and claim they are wrong. (Theme Battles that a faction throws would also fit under this definition of illegal if we applied it like that)
(Notice: all conditional on the fact that a battle happens. No battle happens, then I'm on the other side of abusive mechanics)
Well its looking pretty bad - left the faction just to atatck it - did it right after our attack. Then the roster on enemy side was much fuller, then they removed everyone but 2 friendlies and a few occitan and on the attacking side they only hired boyscout and canary - the head NA admin. Basically waiting for canary to call them out on blatantly breaking the rules and cheating - same shit that got Fallen carpet-bombed last strat and has been repeatedly referenced as a bannable offense by canary, cmp, and tydeus in earlier threads.
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Carpet time!
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If no actual battle occurs, if they don't fight: bannable offense.
What will happen, and who is at fault, if anyone, will depend on how both sides of the battle handle it tonight.
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Watch them not accept any FCC guys and make some half ass attempt to make it look like an actual fight.
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If no actual battle occurs, if they don't fight: bannable offense.
What will happen, and who is at fault, if anyone, will depend on how both sides of the battle handle it tonight.
well ashtree going to be on his own.He is free to do what it please him and well we end up having a deal with him so.he is going to keep the village for free :)
If there is a rules against giving a fief away to a old faction menber... if there is any please find it and let me know about it cause i was not aware of it. If so ill try to fix that with ashtree and the (other attacking army(party).
if fcc want to attack ashtree after he take the village they are free to do it.
ps: from my understanding of the rules of strat we so far arent cheater!
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Ashtre just left her faction
I am a man
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well ashtree going to be on his own.He is free to do what it please him and well we end up having a deal with him so.he is going to keep the village for free :)
If there is a rules against giving a fief away to a old faction menber... if there is any please find it and let me know about it cause i was not aware of it. If so ill try to fix that with ashtree and the (other attacking army(party).
if fcc want to attack ashtree after he take the village they are free to do it.
ps: from my understanding of the rules of strat we so far arent cheater!
no one believes that Aro. have some pride.
Ash already had the other fief which went neutral when he did.. why not just let him keep the one he owned instead of Grabbing all the troops to go take the fief of a guy we just teleported to eu
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well ashtree going to be on his own.He is free to do what it please him and well we end up having a deal with him so.he is going to keep the village for free :)
If there is a rules against giving a fief away to a old faction menber... if there is any please find it and let me know about it cause i was not aware of it. If so ill try to fix that with ashtree and the (other attacking army(party).
if fcc want to attack ashtree after he take the village they are free to do it.
ps: from my understanding of the rules of strat we so far arent cheater!
The rules are very clear arow. Transfering contested fiefs to delay your enemies is not allowed in strat. Kesh quoted the rule. We had just attacked that village and were moving to do so again when you guys initiated this delay tactic.
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The rules are very clear arow. Transfering contested fiefs to delay your enemies is not allowed in strat. Kesh quoted the rule. We had just attacked that village and were moving to do so again when you guys initiated this delay tactic.
first we delay nothing you had 4 hours to re attack it at first, 2 we made a deal with ashtree still dont know why eveything need to be explain to you guys just deal with it as we always do.. also there is no rule against selling a fief to someone in strat. as i state and said feel free to attack ashtree after he took it.we have no probleme with that, he isnt part of our faction anymore, he is lone wolf.
for the delay part sorry if you guys did teleport the fief owner isnt really my fault if we can't use the strategus mechanic to transfer the fief im so sorry for your 1 day delay if there is any delay :( good luck on the re capture.
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well ashtree going to be on his own.He is free to do what it please him and well we end up having a deal with him so.he is going to keep the village for free :)
If there is a rules against giving a fief away to a old faction menber... if there is any please find it and let me know about it cause i was not aware of it. If so ill try to fix that with ashtree and the (other attacking army(party).
if fcc want to attack ashtree after he take the village they are free to do it.
ps: from my understanding of the rules of strat we so far arent cheater!
If no actual battle occurs, if they don't fight: bannable offense.
What will happen, and who is at fault, if anyone, will depend on how both sides of the battle handle it tonight.
Canary - at least blackzilla and smoothrich tried to pretend it was real, but this is even more blatant then when fallen did it last strat. Wolfgang (the fief owner) was signed up for attackers for a while - they are making no attempt to hire people other than their own who will help with transferring the fief (I know a Lot of people that applied for both sides). You yourself are hired for attackers -
as head NA admin are you going to condone what they are doing and let it go through and just ban afterwards 1 sacrificial lamb (what they want) or will you kick attackers from servers and stop them from doing a blatantly illegal fief transfer? he even admits they are transferring the fief ("they worked out a deal" after he left the faction as soon as we attacked it in order to attack it through illegal fief transfer - he hadn't even made a new faction until after he initiated the attack) - and is not hiring anyone not supporting the fief transfer. Doesnt matter if he is now a "old faction member" - they are doing a fief transfer by attacking - buying time for reinforcements and preventing us from getting the gear back by attacking the village again before wolfgang gets back from eu.
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Canary - at least blackzilla and smoothrich tried to pretend it was real, but this is even more blatant then when fallen did it last strat. Wolfgang (the fief owner) was signed up for attackers for a while - they are making no attempt to hire people other than their own who will help with transferring the fief (I know a Lot of people that applied for both sides). You yourself are hired for attackers -
as head NA admin are you going to condone what they are doing and let it go through and just ban afterwards 1 sacrificial lamb (what they want) or will you kick attackers from servers and stop them from doing a blatantly illegal fief transfer? he even admits they are transferring the fief ("they worked out a deal" after he left the faction as soon as we attacked it in order to attack it through illegal fief transfer - he hadn't even made a new faction until after he initiated the attack) - and is not hiring anyone not supporting the fief transfer. Doesnt matter if he is now a "old faction member" - they are doing a fief transfer by attacking - buying time for reinforcements and preventing us from getting the gear back by attacking the village again before wolfgang gets back from eu.
I know if FCC ever tried to this bullshit we wouldn't be allowed to and the fief owner and the attacker would both get a global ban from strategus, even more so if we bragged about breaking the rules like arrowaine is doing and bragging that nothing will be done to them.
P.S. And arrowaine - bravo - you are a cheater just like all the UIF banned cheaters you supported in cheating for 3 strats, but i guess i should expect nothing less from a guy with no honor. Also, thank you for sumbuja. :twisted: :lol: :wink:
what you want kesh you want the tiny village pixel come get it sir ill give it free for you alrigth is that cool enough cant figth for it ? that fine come send someon do not attack it and then we will transfer it away to you that fine. come come send someone inside it and we will rtansfer it tomorow to you guys (fcc faction)
so i repeat we will reverse all deal and give both village to you guys im fine with that!
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what you want kesh you want the tiny village pixel come get it sir ill give it free for you alrigth is that cool enough cant figth for it ? that fine come send someon do not attack it and then we will transfer it away to you that fine. come come send someone inside it and we will rtansfer it tomorow to you guys (fcc faction)
so i repeat we will reverse all deal and give both village to you guys im fine with that!
I just dont want you to cheat - hire full rosters of everyone who applies - make a real battle of it. i would hope that is not too much to ask - NA actually was pretty free of it compared to EU. Cheating is hands-down the best way to ruin a good game and certainly not worth selling your honor for a pixel village.
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Are the admins really not doing anything about this? obviously ashtre is still going to be in league with these tools after the transfer. I'll laugh my ass off when occitan and all these republic of m8's reinforce ashtre when the village is attacked. Complete utter bullshit.
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Is it only against the rules when enemy armies are nearby or all the time?
If it is a currently or recently contested fief then you cannot transfer it with an attack. You can transfer it with the transfer ownership function though as it doesn't delay any armies. It is ALWAYS best to transfer with the transfer ownership function though sometimes with AFK fief owners it is necessary to attack the fief in order to transfer it, but such transfers are only allowed when it is a fief that hasnt been attacked in awhile and is not going to be attacked any time soon. seeing as we had JUST attacked this fief and were going to do so again, this situation is quite upsetting to us as it clearly breaks the rules. Also, the fief owner (wolfgang) is certainly NOT AFK and has been actively fighting in battles. the reasonable thing to do would have been to wait for his return and transfer.
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Is it only against the rules when enemy armies are nearby or all the time?
Just when enemy armies are "nearby" (within 24 hours maybe? I have no idea what that means) or when it is recently contested (previously attacked within a similarly vague period of time). If any army isn't "nearby" or if it wasn't recently contested it seems acceptable, like when Curaw (http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=3812) or Fenada (http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=3567) or Peshmi (http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=4385) were transferred
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I think there is a very easily seen common sense to these things. Fief in a war zone that is actively being contested, deciding to do a fief transfer (especially when the fief owner gets teleported) is prob not a good idea. Caveats to that, armies have to be in the general area... if you are hurrying to get the fief transfer done because you are worried it is going to be attacked without the fief owner home, is also a pretty good indication you are breaking the rules.
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I think there is a very easily seen common sense to these things. Fief in a war zone that is actively being contested, deciding to do a fief transfer (especially when the fief owner gets teleported) is prob not a good idea. Caveats to that, armies have to be in the general area... if you are hurrying to get the fief transfer done because you are worried it is going to be attacked without the fief owner home, is also a pretty good indication you are breaking the rules.
Says the item bombers.
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The battle was legitimate, in the end, and since there is no system for calling dibs on attacking something before someone else does, no one has broken any rules here.
Let it be known: Attacking your own faction's fief or a faction allied to your factions fief to prevent an enemy from attacking it is against the rules. This can apply to any fief that may reasonably be contested within the next 24 hours, particularly those that have already been attacked by enemies.. If you drop faction to get around this you can expect to be dealt with the same way.
Only attack a fief if you intend to fight against it. There isn't much of a reason for people to 'attack transfer' anymore, as the fief transfer system is fully functional (albeit limiting - which is possibly an intended mechanic).