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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Siberian_Wolf on August 01, 2013, 07:50:18 pm

Title: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 01, 2013, 07:50:18 pm
Hello Everyone
I've come to the forums today with a problem about the game mechanics.

IT FAVORS MELEE

I feel as if this game puts too much emphasis on melee, with leaving out the importance on range.

There for, my idea is that all bows should get their missle speed increased by 2 and cut damage by 3.
ALSO, all 2h melee weapons should have their cut damage reduced by 2 and their pierce decreased by 4.
All polearms and 1h should have their cut decreased by 1 and pierce decreased by 3.
And all melee weapons should have their speed decreased by 3.


On the gameply standpoint, I feel c-rpg players have FORGOTTEN how bad native is in terms of archery, getting one hit by an arrow and the reload speed. I feel melee my old friends have gone to raging at archery because it's the only class that beats them.



Go home melee my old friends!
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Rhaelys on August 01, 2013, 07:52:43 pm
I hope you like red lightsabers.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Bronto on August 01, 2013, 07:53:17 pm
I hope you're prepared for all the -1's your going to get. Also, that is stupid.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Prpavi on August 01, 2013, 07:54:39 pm
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 01, 2013, 07:54:50 pm
I feel like this idea is pretty thought out and crucial. Of course, you two must play as melee.
You already dominate the battlefield, leave some room for the underdogs (ranged) to show what they can do.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: San on August 01, 2013, 07:55:05 pm
This will only make ranged do negligible damage instead of little damage when  up close, and melee will still be able to kill ranged in only a few hits. Will ranged vs ranged be fun if the missile speed is so high that you can't dodge other archers and you kill them in even less hits than before?
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 01, 2013, 07:55:52 pm
You right san, we should lower melee damage some more.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Fartface on August 01, 2013, 07:56:23 pm
Says he feels like cRPG players have forgotten how BAD ranged was in Native , then states ranged should get buffed in cRPG?
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Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Elindor on August 01, 2013, 07:57:59 pm
I think It's possible this guy is serious, yet...his post is written like a troll post 

Confused :?

Also, maybe you weren't here - but archery just got buffed...
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Equal on August 01, 2013, 08:00:20 pm
But.. the game should have an emphasis on melee, it's called Mount & Blade: Warband. It doesn't mention ranged anywhere. Same with M:BG.

I can't stand ranged, although I tolerate their existance, which is probably better than most of the playerbase
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 01, 2013, 08:00:34 pm
Quote from: Elindor on August 01, 2013, 07:57:59 pm
I think this guy is serious, yet...his post is written like a troll post 

Confused :?

I believe that you will soon join my side. Although your obviously confused, you still do understand that range is severily UP in c-rpg. Hopefully you'll help me in the fight to bring it back to greatness.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 01, 2013, 08:02:42 pm
Quote from: Equal on August 01, 2013, 08:00:20 pm
But.. the game should have an emphasis on melee, it's called Mount & Blade: Warband. It doesn't mention ranged anywhere. Same with M:BG.

I can't stand ranged, although I tolerate their existance, which is probably better than most of the playerbase

Although it says "Mount & Blade: Warband" that doesn't mean that it shouldn't leave range off to the side. Referring to another game, let's say Skyrim, I didn't see any damn rims in the sky. Which bring up the question, did the developers give it that game because it sounds more pleasing than Mount & my old friend: Warshit?
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Fartface on August 01, 2013, 08:06:55 pm
Quote from: Siberian_Wolf on August 01, 2013, 08:02:42 pm
Although it says "Mount & Blade: Warband" that doesn't mean that it shouldn't leave range off to the side. Referring to another game, let's say Skyrim, I didn't see any damn rims in the sky. Which bring up the question, did the developers give it that game because it sounds more pleasing than Mount & my old friend: Warshit?
Well calling it Mount&my old friend makes no sense.. I mean I know HA are goddamn annoying and gay but there aren't that many of em.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Lennu on August 01, 2013, 08:07:57 pm
You clearly haven't played on EU 1, where archers + xbowmen sometimes (way too often) have the majority.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 01, 2013, 08:13:09 pm
The eye sees what it wants too.

We're oppressed.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: karasu on August 01, 2013, 08:13:39 pm
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Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 01, 2013, 08:18:04 pm
I wish the oppression of ranged was as obvious as that troll.

LET MY PEOPLE GO!
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Phantasmal on August 01, 2013, 08:19:46 pm
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Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Winterly on August 01, 2013, 08:22:47 pm
It does not favor melee. That's why they added a flaming katana so we can cut through flying arrows and bolts to even the playing fields.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Elindor on August 01, 2013, 08:48:52 pm
There are many games that offer ranged combat, some with drop mechanics, some without.

No other game has the manual melee combat mechanics MB:Warband has...
(yes I know about Chivalry and WoTR but those are not quite the same)
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on August 01, 2013, 08:54:57 pm
Alright brah, I'm not going to rape that minus button like the others but does what you have written sound really plausible to you?
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 01, 2013, 09:42:03 pm
I feel that this is the most sensible fix.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Vibe on August 01, 2013, 09:57:55 pm
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Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Lannistark on August 01, 2013, 10:37:51 pm
Talking bullshit and writing in verses.

What are you, a 21st century literary bohemian?
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 01, 2013, 11:57:57 pm
I am the revolution.
I am the solution,
To the melee nerds that haunt this game.
Call me Ishmael, tis be my name.

MUSH! MUSH!
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Jarold on August 02, 2013, 07:42:49 am
That last half didn't even rhyme! Also didn't read just gave a -1.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Strudog on August 02, 2013, 10:02:30 am
Hes another one of those ranged idiots that complain when they are buffed and applaud when they are nerfed
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: RandomDude on August 02, 2013, 03:18:51 pm
i feel bad that archers cant 1 shot me sometimes in my gothic plate so increase their dmg pls
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Molly on August 02, 2013, 03:23:43 pm
Quote from: RandomDude on August 02, 2013, 03:18:51 pm
i feel bad that archers cant 1 shot me sometimes in my gothic plate so increase their dmg pls
I support this notion. Nerf RandomDude!
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 02, 2013, 05:37:32 pm
Hey OP

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Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Tojo on August 02, 2013, 06:06:46 pm
they should add flying to archers when you double tap spacebar, because there are still some roofs they cant get on.

Also they should be able to use Rocket launchers with splash dmg so they can score higher on the scoreboard
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 03, 2013, 04:39:41 am
INFAMY, CUM ONTO ME!
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Rumblood on August 03, 2013, 06:46:36 pm
Quote from: Rhaelys on August 01, 2013, 07:52:43 pm
I hope you like red lightsabers.

I didn't know what you were talking about, but now I see that he has one  :lol:
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 03, 2013, 07:31:51 pm
Quote from: Rumblood on August 03, 2013, 06:46:36 pm
I didn't know what you were talking about, but now I see that he has one  :lol:

And to add to that,

Now I have 3x more infamy XD
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Nightmare798 on August 11, 2013, 08:27:21 pm
seriously i wonder why archers cry after the buff, i mean, its so easy now to top that shit as an archer now...
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on August 12, 2013, 02:22:26 am
Easy???
Your basing that off of seeing one or two of the best NA/EU archers.
On the other hand, a scrub 2h or polearm can EASILY top the scoreboard.

I've probably seen 2 archers top the scoreboard in the past couple days.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Zaren on August 12, 2013, 05:14:48 am
Quote from: Siberian_Wolf on August 12, 2013, 02:22:26 am
Easy???
Your basing that off of seeing one or two of the best NA/EU archers.
On the other hand, a scrub 2h or polearm can EASILY top the scoreboard.

I've probably seen 2 archers top the scoreboard in the past couple days.
thats because ranged dont get as many points since they rnt getting the combat-area-bonus. They do ok with kills. Maybe change the point system a bit
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Sharpe on August 12, 2013, 10:52:09 pm
Quote from: Zaren on August 12, 2013, 05:14:48 am
thats because ranged dont get as many points since they rnt getting the combat-area-bonus. They do ok with kills. Maybe change the point system a bit

Yeah, I can get 11 kill and 3 deaths as an archer, and only have around 30-35 points. While a person wielding a two hand/polearm with 4 kills and 17 deaths  has around 80-90 points. Woooo cRPG.

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seriously i wonder why archers cry after the buff, i mean, its so easy now to top that shit as an archer now

I think archers cried  before the buff, and the rest of cRPG cried about ranged in some shape or form. In all reality for archers to "top that shit" they need to either shoot all their arrows and hit every target without missing one, get multiple headshots,  or enter into melee at some point in time.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on August 12, 2013, 10:59:53 pm
OP is brave. So brave.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Gurnisson on August 12, 2013, 11:22:40 pm
Quote from: ZeSharpe on August 12, 2013, 10:52:09 pm
Yeah, I can get 11 kill and 3 deaths as an archer, and only have around 30-35 points. While a person wielding a two hand/polearm with 4 kills and 17 deaths  has around 80-90 points. Woooo cRPG.

So hard

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pre-buff, not fully loomed, and I rarely play archer :?
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Sharpe on August 12, 2013, 11:28:28 pm
Quote from: Gurnisson on August 12, 2013, 11:22:40 pm
So hard

(click to show/hide)

pre-buff, not fully loomed, and I rarely play archer :?

Im amazed, no truly I am. Its either you took those screenshots for arguments sake; or because it was for arguments sake. In any case Im just  a DTV sometimes Siege archer whose new to this strange world of points.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Nightmare798 on August 13, 2013, 04:47:27 pm
Quote from: ZeSharpe on August 12, 2013, 10:52:09 pm
Yeah, I can get 11 kill and 3 deaths as an archer, and only have around 30-35 points. While a person wielding a two hand/polearm with 4 kills and 17 deaths  has around 80-90 points. Woooo cRPG.

I think archers cried  before the buff, and the rest of cRPG cried about ranged in some shape or form. In all reality for archers to "top that shit" they need to either shoot all their arrows and hit every target without missing one, get multiple headshots,  or enter into melee at some point in time.

or they just need to aim properly, and have any clue about calculation of shots. also for unknown reason all archers desperately try to kill shielders, unbeknownst that those guys are direct counter to them. many times, an archer, of all targets around me with two handed weapons, rather chose to shoot my shield than them.

i do pretty well as an archer with lvl 22 character and tatar bow [nothing loomed], because i can shoot acording to elevation and movement of my targets.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Sharpe on August 13, 2013, 05:19:51 pm
Generally the only shielders I shoot at are the ones with kite shields, for you can typically hit their feet. And thats great that you can shoot according to elevation and movement; few people can do that.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Brrrak on August 29, 2013, 09:40:39 pm
Quote from: Siberian_Wolf on August 12, 2013, 02:22:26 am
On the other hand, a scrub 2h or polearm can EASILY top the scoreboard.

I'm a scrub 2h/polearm and never top the scoreboard.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Varadin on August 31, 2013, 01:23:32 am
Quote from: Brrrak on August 29, 2013, 09:40:39 pm
I'm a scrub 2h/polearm and never top the scoreboard.

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But thats why i am
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Nightmare798 on August 31, 2013, 02:51:26 pm
Quote
Quote from: Brrrak on August 29, 2013, 09:40:39 pm

I'm a scrub 2h/polearm and never top the scoreboard.

either you did not buy heavy 2h axe, katana, barmace, great maul or longsword, or you dont hiltslash enough...
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Aderyn on September 01, 2013, 12:10:43 pm
why do people confuse archery with xbows so often? Can they not tell the difference?

They get shot by a arbalest in the chest that takes the majority of their health they start whining about archers >.>

Or they get shot in the head by an archer and for some reason start whining about the damage that does. It sickens me. Disgusting melee-only players.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Ellie on September 01, 2013, 10:06:50 pm
Even in peasantmode with 0 IF, I often survive a headshot by an arrow (as long as I'm not already hurt). On the other side, most crossbows kill me in one shot pretty much no matter where they hit.

...I suddenly forgot the point I was going to make.
Title: Re: Go Home Melee or Get Tough
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 02, 2013, 08:38:46 pm
Quote from: Ellie on September 01, 2013, 10:06:50 pm
Even in peasantmode with 0 IF, I often survive a headshot by an arrow (as long as I'm not already hurt). On the other side, most crossbows kill me in one shot pretty much no matter where they hit.

...I suddenly forgot the point I was going to make.
that is strange, if get headshotted, its sometimes one hit kill even with 6 if and guard helmet...