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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: xElite777x on July 09, 2013, 09:55:41 pm
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What is the best 1h sword? Right now I have the Espada but I want something better so if I could have some opinions that would be great.
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I hate when people ask this question...
It is all about personal preference. What you like will determine what is best for you.
However, if you did like the Espada (The short one) I would highly suggest to try using other short swords on the market. I currently use a Grosse Messer (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=equipshop&cat=onehanded#!?page=itemdetail&id=3196)
It has good speed and damage, although it is shorter. I love shorter one handed weapons as a shielder so it works out perfectly for me. The down side is the low amount of pierce it does on thrust.
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I hate when people ask this question...
It is all about personal preference. What you like will determine what is best for you.
However, if you did like the Espada (The short one) I would highly suggest to try using other short swords on the market. I currently use a Grosse Messer (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=equipshop&cat=onehanded#!?page=itemdetail&id=3196)
It has good speed and damage, although it is shorter. I love shorter one handed weapons as a shielder so it works out perfectly for me. The down side is the low amount of pierce it does on thrust.
Well I am asking for opinions and I went from the Scottish Sword to the Espada (Both short swords) but now I can't find any short stabby swords I like or am ready to get and it does not have to be short and stabby that is just what I have at the moment.
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95% of non-peasant 1h weapons are well balanced and have unique traits that some people prefer best.
The long espada is good if you like making longer distance stab attacks and outranging opponents. Other swords are better are closer distance, better at swinging, have no stab, trade more damage for less length/speed, etc.
Well I am asking for opinions and I went from the Scottish Sword to the Espada (Both short swords) but now I can't find any short stabby swords I like or am ready to get and it does not have to be short and stabby that is just what I have at the moment.
How much do you actually use stab attack? If you don't use it much you don't want a sword that has stabbing damage boosted, it's a waste.
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95% of non-peasant 1h weapons are well balanced and have unique traits that some people prefer best.
The long espada is good if you like making longer distance stab attacks and outranging opponents. Other swords are better are closer distance, better at swinging, have no stab, trade more damage for less length/speed, etc.
How much do you actually use stab attack? If you don't use it much you don't want a sword that has stabbing damage boosted, it's a waste.
What sword do you use?
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95% of non-peasant 1h weapons are well balanced and have unique traits that some people prefer best.
The long espada is good if you like making longer distance stab attacks and outranging opponents. Other swords are better are closer distance, better at swinging, have no stab, trade more damage for less length/speed, etc.
How much do you actually use stab attack? If you don't use it much you don't want a sword that has stabbing damage boosted, it's a waste.
Well I try to use it a lot in Native I use short swords and stab a lot but it is harder in cRPG and many of the skilled players just down block every single stab.
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If you like stabby things, you should stick with the shorter ones. They are the easiest to stab with. Although, if you want a sword that is balanced I would go with the Side Sword (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=equipshop&cat=onehanded#!?page=itemdetail&id=3193). High speed (Nerfed) with a decent length. It does equal damage in both cut and pierce as well. A decent sword for using with or without a shield.
The only problem is that it is expensive. Although, if you want a decent replacement you could try the Arming Sword (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=equipshop&cat=onehanded#!?page=itemdetail&id=211). Everything is the same but the pierce damage is a bit lower. It is a lot cheaper to maintain though.
Or if you want a happy medium. Go with the Italian Sword (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=equipshop&cat=onehanded#!?page=itemdetail&id=3192) It has great length, can be used on horseback effectively. Good cut and decent pierce. As well a good speed to go along with it.
I would also like to add that the Italian sword is hard to see in some situations. Making it harder for some to block.
Well I try to use it a lot in Native I use short swords and stab a lot but it is harder in cRPG and many of the skilled players just down block every single stab.
To land a stab, you will have to start being creative with your swings. A lot of Crpg players are experienced. I usually use stabs on enemies that are being attacked by many players at once, or if I sneak up on them. I more or less just like the speed of short swords personally.
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Try Spathion, it has great stab but also really nice cut. Or side sword, at +3 it has 32 cut and 32 pierce dmg, really nice weapon for someone stabing a lot. Though I prefer Long espada eslavona when I'm in "stabing" mood :P You can use it as a mini spear :P
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If you like stabby things, you should stick with the shorter ones. They are the easiest to stab with. Although, if you want a sword that is balanced I would go with the Side Sword (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=equipshop&cat=onehanded#!?page=itemdetail&id=3193). High speed (Nerfed) with a decent length. It does equal damage in both cut and pierce as well. A decent sword for using with or without a shield.
The only problem is that it is expensive. Although, if you want a decent replacement you could try the Arming Sword (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=equipshop&cat=onehanded#!?page=itemdetail&id=211). Everything is the same but the pierce damage is a bit lower. It is a lot cheaper to maintain though.
Or if you want a happy medium. Go with the Italian Sword (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=equipshop&cat=onehanded#!?page=itemdetail&id=3192) It has great length, can be used on horseback effectively. Good cut and decent pierce. As well a good speed to go along with it.
I would also like to add that the Italian sword is hard to see in some situations. Making it harder for some to block.
Money is not a problem and does 4 pierce make a difference? Thanks!
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Try Spathion, it has great stab but also really nice cut. Or side sword, at +3 it has 32 cut and 32 pierce dmg, really nice weapon for someone stabing a lot. Though I prefer Long espada eslavona when I'm in "stabing" mood :P You can use it as a mini spear :P
I will keep those in mind but would you pick the Long Espada over the Side Sword?
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Well I try to use it a lot in Native I use short swords and stab a lot but it is harder in cRPG and many of the skilled players just down block every single stab.
Until you are really good at it, I wouldn't stab much. It is probably the most difficult to use attack direction.
Left swing is generally considered the strongest 1h attack, use that as your bread and butter attack. I would suggest trying maybe a Grosse Messer or Italian Sword. They have some stab capacity, but less, and have higher swing damage, and fast. Italian is better for longer finesse work, the Grosse Messer is more medium range dirtier work. Length is not always better, it's easier to glance with a longer sword at closer range.
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Money is not a problem and does 4 pierce make a difference? Thanks!
Yes and no. Pierce will go through armor well (If the hit was well placed) Although, obviously the high pierce it has, The more of a chance he wont get back up.
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I have the grosse messer, side sword, italian sword, and broad short sword all +3. They're all great weapons, just some are more appropriate for different play styles. When I had a long espada I enjoyed using that to outreach other people with my thrusts, but chances are you'll glance more often with that than the side sword because of the length. If you're using a shield, then go with what the others here have said. Short weapons with high swing damage and high speed are great for shielders. Especially if you aren't very good at stabbing yet.
Also, I believe that the higher your pierce damage on the thrust, the less likely you are to glance. I could be wrong though. So if you're going to be stabbing it is best to get a more balanced weapon in terms of swing/stab damage.
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I will keep those in mind but would you pick the Long Espada over the Side Sword?
If you stab a lot - or even better: almost all the time - sure thing. With long espada you can stay a bit behind your teammates and stab from a second line :P Works great with 6 ath and pretty light armor (9 kg). I had a few really nice scores playing like that, e.g. sth around 45-2 on siege, at least 35 kills with stab :P
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If you stab a lot - or even better: almost all the time - sure thing. With long espada you can stay a bit behind your teammates and stab from a second line :P Works great with 6 ath and pretty light armor (9 kg). I had a few really nice scores playing like that, e.g. sth around 45-2 on siege, at least 35 kills with stab :P
Makes me want to have the Long Espada I think that is what I might go with.
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I have the grosse messer, side sword, italian sword, and broad short sword all +3. They're all great weapons, just some are more appropriate for different play styles. When I had a long espada I enjoyed using that to outreach other people with my thrusts, but chances are you'll glance more often with that than the side sword because of the length. If you're using a shield, then go with what the others here have said. Short weapons with high swing damage and high speed are great for shielders. Especially if you aren't very good at stabbing yet.
Also, I believe that the higher your pierce damage on the thrust, the less likely you are to glance. I could be wrong though. So if you're going to be stabbing it is best to get a more balanced weapon in terms of swing/stab damage.
In your opinion what do you think the best weapon is for swinging?
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In your opinion what do you think the best weapon is for swinging?
I would say (He might agree) that the Grosse Messer and Italian Falchion are the best two at swinging. Although, the Grosse Messer is a bit slower and longer. While the Italian Falchion is much shorter and faster. (It is also 0 slots)
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Long espada you can easily buy for 2 loompoints, just put your offer and in a few days someone will accept it. YOu could even try to buy it for less than 2 lp.
I would say (He might agree) that the Grosse Messer and Italian Falchion are the best two at swinging.
Dunno why almost no one likes paramerion which is really great weapon.
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I would say (He might agree) that the Grosse Messer and Italian Falchion are the best two at swinging. Although, the Grosse Messer is a bit slower and longer. While the Italian Falchion is much shorter and faster. (It is also 0 slots)
Ok and do you know what the Long Espada looks like with a loom point? Right now I don't like the look but that is just looking at the picture.
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Long espada you can easily buy for 2 loompoints, just put your offer and in a few days someone will accept it. YOu could even try to buy it for less than 2 lp.
Umm well I thought two loom points was worth like 700k.
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Necro's got it, those two and the dao weapons are nice as well (liuyedao and niuweidao specifically) because they're very fast and fairly strong at +3, and they can't actually thrust so you won't get any of those accidental glances that just end up getting you killed anyway.
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Ok and do you know what the Long Espada looks like with a loom point? Right now I don't like the look but that is just looking at the picture.
All of the weapons look the same with a loompoint unless you download a texture pack of some sort. If that is the case than I have no clue. If you want to find out the stats of a loomed item, go to the regular item in the store. Then click "Ranks" It will tell you the difference.
Dunno why almost no one likes paramerion which is really great weapon.
It is a great weapon for dueling and horseback. Although, I am a shielder who fights groups of enemies often. The backswing on that thing will hook onto everything behind me like glue, which will leave me open. Only reason I do not like longer weapons.
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Necro's got it, those two and the dao weapons are nice as well (liuyedao and niuweidao specifically) because they're very fast and fairly strong at +3, and they can't actually thrust so you won't get any of those accidental glances that just end up getting you killed anyway.
So what sword is your favorite?
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All of the weapons look the same with a loompoint unless you download a texture pack of some sort. If that is the case than I have no clue. If you want to find out the stats of a loomed item, go to the regular item in the store. Then click "Ranks" It will tell you the difference.
It is a great weapon for dueling and horseback. Although, I am a shielder who fights groups of enemies often. The backswing on that thing will hook onto everything behind me like glue, which will leave me open. Only reason I do not like longer weapons.
Thanks for that and you said you don't like the longer swords like the Long Espada so what 1h weapon is your favorite?
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Out of those? The grosse messer. My opinion is a little biased though, as I haven't tried the others as much as I should have.
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Thanks for that and you said you don't like the longer swords like the Long Espada so what 1h weapon is your favorite?
My favorite used to be the Short Broad Sword. Although, I have started to use the Grosse Messer and I am really liking it as of now.
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Elite Scimitar. Good damage, good length, great speed, curved blade. Got everything but a stab.
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Side sword or Italian sword are the best IMO
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Elite Scimitar. Good damage, good length, great speed, curved blade. Got everything but a stab.
and look. Ugly piece of junk :P
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Long Espada is fantastic. You get enough reach that it is harder for everyone to just S key out of your swing then hit you in the face... it also has a wicked stab if you get good with it. The Broad Short Sword is also really damn good even after the recent nerf, it has good cut and a good stab and good speed just short reach. Grosse Messer is cool too but the stab sucks, if you are ok with not having a good stab I would just take an axe.
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Long Espada is fantastic. You get enough reach that it is harder for everyone to just S key out of your swing then hit you in the face... it also has a wicked stab if you get good with it. The Broad Short Sword is also really damn good even after the recent nerf, it has good cut and a good stab and good speed just short reach. Grosse Messer is cool too but the stab sucks, if you are ok with not having a good stab I would just take an axe.
I have two issues with the LEE:
* The sideswings are really weak versus somebody with heavy armor (which is probably well over half of infantry in NA at this point, including me).
* Due to its length, the LEE turns really slowly during stabs. This is less of an issue if you have an athletics advantage, but it can be a nightmare versus a well armored, higher athletics enemy who backpedals and strafes around a lot.
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I would say the Langes Messer is pretty good. It has good speed, length, and damage. It is an all rounder weapon, great for anyone to use.
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I have two issues with the LEE:
* The sideswings are really weak versus somebody with heavy armor (which is probably well over half of infantry in NA at this point, including me).
* Due to its length, the LEE turns really slowly during stabs. This is less of an issue if you have an athletics advantage, but it can be a nightmare versus a well armored, higher athletics enemy who backpedals and strafes around a lot.
So I think I am going for the Grosse or Long Espada
What do you think of the Paramerion?
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I hate stabbing, far too many times have I glanced and been punished for it, therefore I use weapons that don't have stabs! Such as:
Steel Pick - fast and 31 pierce at +0, only downside is 64 length, so you want higher athletics to use properly
Niuweidao - Very fast weapon (101 speed), I've been using this currently and with around 100wpf minimum I rarely glance.
Military Cleaver - A whopping 35 cut weapon, also the longest of the 3, also the slowest. Looks unique too.
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i like the italian falchion and any blunt weapon to clobber the bastards with :twisted:
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I will forever be a fan of the Langes Messer. It looks cool (imo), its got descent stats, including a nice range(for 1h).
Ofcourse its still a matter of opinion really. I just go for looks. Most of them have pretty similar stats anyway and in the field it still comes down to how well skilled you are. Exept if you are in between 1h blades or 1h hammers. In which case the difference is speed, one having knockdown and one having bluntdamage(better against heavy armor) instead of cutdamage.
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In my opinion you should take an average 1h for saving money :P
With my 1h/shielder I use the normal Sword, it has 24 pierce, 28 cut which is both not bad, has a decent length and is pretty fast. Actually I perform best with this one, when I take some fancy shit I kinda "feel" better thus making more mistakes.
Sword is best sword. Costs only 218 gold upkeep.
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I really love the elite scimitar so thats the sword id advise u to try. Its extra fun when ppl complain that its op in some way :)
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Nordic champion sword. Never failed me :wink:
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So I think I am going for the Grosse or Long Espada
What do you think of the Paramerion?
For battle I was recently playing with a +3 grosse, and I really liked it. It's short for 1v1 combat, but it's great for large meatgrinder fights. 37 cut means people die quickly, and 100 speed lets you double swing or otherwise sneak hits in a lot. It might be worth carrying a longer 1h as a backup for 1v1 engagements.
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If you don't mind facehugging and are able to dodge kicks, the Italian Falchion is the best 1h sword you can use.
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On horse there is only one sword to choose. Arabian Cavalry Sword. It does high damage and got range no other sword can reach. All that matters on horse.
On foot there are several very good weapons but mostly depends how your build is and how you play. CBA to write more.. :wink:
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Nordic champion sword. Never failed me :wink:
This,best sword i ever had. I liked Liuyedao too,it is awesome sword.
Broad short sword is nice too,but you need to make agile build for it,every sword have it's playstyle.
I had almost all good 1h swords in my hands,but i always used NCS,can't play with anything else.
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Arab guard sword is definitely worth consideration, very similar stats to the NCS and a very unique weapon.
98 speed
100 reach
32cut
20p
@ MW
99 speed
100 reach
35cut
22p
It is also the cheapest "top tier" sword other than the niuweidao
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What about the Spanthion and Paramerion?
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^They are slow, long and kinda powerful.
I would avoid as they are really no better than the quicker cheaper swords of the same length. Unless you crave the bling or need a powerful swing and stab (spathion) I would steer clear especially if i was a newer player.
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I have a feeling that we are playing in different games) espada was always nonsense, but now it's even more just a sword for agi trolls
unfortunately, we have no swords now, all of them - antipeasant shit ... no cut damage, no blades
sad but true: if you want to kill someone, take a steel pick, like evryone do, or something from blunts... warhammer
swords now just for nostalgia^^
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Short sword is a very fun weapon to use when you have 7ps since the weapon has 103 speed
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I think the choice of 1h weapon can also depend on, if you are planning to use it with or without a shield.
Long espada is a badass weapon with a shield, but it is even more badass without a shield. Same applies to all thrust-oriented swords. By not carrying a shield, you are faster than other classes while using a 1 handed weapon. It makes the speed bonus with the thrust attacks better, and it makes the movement better overall. Which is even more important for thrust oriented swords. It looks damn classy too!
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I think the choice of 1h weapon can also depend on, if you are planning to use it with or without a shield.
Long espada is a badass weapon with a shield, but it is even more badass without a shield. Same applies to all thrust-oriented swords. By not carrying a shield, you are faster than other classes while using a 1 handed weapon. It makes the speed bonus with the thrust attacks better, and it makes the movement better overall. Which is even more important for thrust oriented swords. It looks damn classy too!
Hmm so is it worth going Long Espada with a shield? I have not been planning to get the Long Espada because people say it is not worth the thrust and is too long
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Hmm so is it worth going Long Espada with a shield? I have not been planning to get the Long Espada because people say it is not worth the thrust and is too long
I used it for 5 gens and it glances all of the time, as do most swords on heavy armor. Do yourself a favor and grab a pick or blunt wep
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Hmm so is it worth going Long Espada with a shield? I have not been planning to get the Long Espada because people say it is not worth the thrust and is too long
With shield? God no... if you're going to use plain item (+0) take military hammer or this new mace, spathovlikon or whatever it's called, you won't be dissapointed :P
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With shield? God no... if you're going to use plain item (+0) take military hammer or this new mace, spathovlikon or whatever it's called, you won't be dissapointed :P
I am looking for a 1h sword
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Purely an opinion question but ill give mine:
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Masterwork Arabian Cavalry Sword
Type:One handed weapon
Requirement:13 strength
Weight:2.3
Slots:1
Upkeep:483 gold
Speed:96
Length:105
Thrust:21 pierce
Swing:36 cut
I have been playing for about 4 years maybe longer and if you have not tried this weapon you should it has decent speed good damage and amazing reach! Can be used on a mount with a shield or by itself, And the upkeep is not bad at all
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Masterwork Arabian Guard Sword
Type:One handed weapon
Requirement:13 strength
Weight:1.9
Slots:1
Upkeep:438 gold
Speed:99
Length:100
Thrust:22 pierce
Swing:35 cut
Also a choice to reckon, a sword that's not overused but very good.
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Nordic champion sword. Never failed me :wink: