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Title: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Macropus on June 29, 2013, 04:44:48 pm
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Ololololo!

Free Panos 2014!

Edit: didn't notice that post:
Well, looks like you've gone full retard again (and I'm not referring just to this post, but also your attitude lately). Unfortunately, given your history, it's not something you can do.
Good luck with your next account, maybe it will finally be the one.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Miwiw on June 29, 2013, 04:45:54 pm
He did behave better than before but still didn't learn "enough".  :P
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on June 29, 2013, 04:46:48 pm
Dayum. I was really hopeful about him this time.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Leshma on June 29, 2013, 04:48:10 pm
Poor Panos, he was really behaving well this time. A lot better than me, to be honest.

But XyNox pissed him off, just like he did to me four months ago :(
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Mlekce on June 29, 2013, 04:50:45 pm
What did he do to deserve perma ban again?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: MrShine on June 29, 2013, 04:52:37 pm
Looks like I can get these out from the closet again!

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Leshma on June 29, 2013, 04:53:54 pm
What did he do to deserve perma ban again?

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shut your whore mouth ranged my old friend

Well, looks like you've gone full retard again (and I'm not referring just to this post, but also your attitude lately). Unfortunately, given your history, it's not something you can do.
Good luck with your next account, maybe it will finally be the one.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: BASNAK on June 29, 2013, 04:56:56 pm
Hating on ranged shouldn't be a crime.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Johammeth on June 29, 2013, 04:58:51 pm
Panos gave me a free loom point for no other reason than to help out a new player.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: XyNox on June 29, 2013, 05:11:58 pm
Poor Panos, he was really behaving well this time. A lot better than me, to be honest.

But XyNox pissed him off, just like he did to me four months ago :(

To Do List

Leshma

Panos

Tzar

 :lol:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Leshma on June 29, 2013, 05:14:04 pm
You'll never get Tzar.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Boerenlater on June 29, 2013, 05:17:06 pm
Lesh pls go, you don't even play crpg anymore.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lannistark on June 29, 2013, 05:18:54 pm
To be honest, I just find this whole business an inmense pile of bullshit. Panos is a normal person, yes, a normal guy - one that I respect just as any other. It's really depressing how expressing his opinions has gotten him banned on several, if not all, ocassions.

Some people here think they are forum heroes, kings of trolling and charming comedians or whatever. The truth is I don't find anything of this funny at all. You've all taken a liking to making fun of Panos, provoking him, and even banning him for nothing.

Tell you what, you guys aren't the new heroes, you are childish at best.

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Leshma on June 29, 2013, 05:19:25 pm
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Lesh pls go, you don't even play crpg anymore.

This is Panos thread, here to show my support. Greek isn't a bad person like many folks around here think he is.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: rufio on June 29, 2013, 05:19:58 pm
To Do List

Leshma

Panos

Tzar

 :lol:

wanker

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Moncho on June 29, 2013, 05:20:09 pm
Can't believe I am saying this, but
shame, I was starting to hate him less lately.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Fuma Kotaro on June 29, 2013, 05:20:46 pm
retardeditalianbundleofsticks banned greek who might not even be able to buy  a new game fuckn my old friend
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Oberyn on June 29, 2013, 05:22:03 pm
Panos had many well-deserved bans, but I don't think this is one of them. He just tard-raged a little on the forums, big deal. Maybe if you take into account his history this type of zero-tolerance makes a bit more sense, but he had relatively correct conduct for quite some time. That should buy him at least a little leeway. Has he even had an essay ban on this particular account already?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: darmaster on June 29, 2013, 05:22:55 pm
Hating on ranged shouldn't be a crime.

it should be mandatory
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lannistark on June 29, 2013, 05:23:40 pm
retardeditalianbundleofsticks banned greek who might not even be able to buy  a new game fuckn my old friend

Fuma chill, knowing Cmp's mercy if you keep on like that you're the next on the list.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Thovex on June 29, 2013, 05:28:49 pm
To Do List

Leshma

Panos

Tzar

 :lol:

I hope you die.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 29, 2013, 05:28:57 pm
Seriously, Panos was nice enough, when he wasn't raging insanely at everything that wasn't a 4d polearm, and he hasn't really done anything that is deserving of a ban here, but given what Panos did last time he went into this kind of rage I can't really blame cmpxchgeternalrandomletters for banning him.
Also, to all the my old friends blaming XyNox, he didn't provoke him whatsoever, and I doubt XyNox directly begged Cmp to ban him or anything.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Akynos on June 29, 2013, 05:31:43 pm
Though he does have a history, from the little I know about this guy he's a hothead at worst, hell if he's banned for his mentality so should I !

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on June 29, 2013, 05:32:13 pm
While I indeed was fed up with Panos' comments about 2hd and ranged, and in general dislike that "clique" of high post count members who openly act completely biased, insulting and discriminating against ranged focused members, I think a permaban is too much for this outburst of full retardness. I mean, it's Panos, if you read his name backwards it says "I just went full retard", what can you expect from him?

How about you give him the chance to get the permaban lifted by writing an essay about why ranged is important for the game, why it is important to keep ranged players motivated, and about how everyone is free to enjoy the game the way he wants to?

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Nihtgenga on June 29, 2013, 05:34:09 pm
this is bullshit...what an overreaction from dev side!

Free Panos!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Patoson on June 29, 2013, 05:35:05 pm
It's funny that he gets banned for language when one time a dev called me an idiot just because I was asking for a password reminder.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on June 29, 2013, 05:36:46 pm
This is drama. Drama belongs in the diplomacy forum.

Please move thread.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Son Of Odin on June 29, 2013, 05:36:52 pm

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Kafein on June 29, 2013, 05:37:10 pm
Wait, panos was permbanned for typing "shut your whore mouth ranged cunt" ?

This for real ?

I understand that given his history panos would get a harsher punishment for the same offense. But nobody ever got even muted for saying something like that. So I guess there's something not being told here.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lannistark on June 29, 2013, 05:40:55 pm
This is drama. Drama belongs in the diplomacy forum.

Please move thread.

This is exactly what I mean by wannabe comedians hijacking threads with their attempts at renown whoring.

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Tanken on June 29, 2013, 05:43:05 pm
View from across the pond:


Panos doesn't really seem that bad. There are plenty of EU players more deserving of getting their throat kicked in than him. He's pretty nice and chill, I'd trade a handful of NA and EU players for him any day honestly. He helped my Squire (Johammeth) receive a loom point for no reason and he even let me give him his very first infamy vote ever on this forum account that is most recent.


Ranged my old friend isn't even really that offensive, it is a common term used in our community and especially in server chat. To make it "the tip of the iceberg" is stupid.


The player support for the MOD is quickly going something like this:
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Strudog on June 29, 2013, 05:45:59 pm
We had our differences, but i dont like to see anyone get Perma banned for minor offences, no matter what History.


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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: XyNox on June 29, 2013, 05:46:45 pm
cRPG srs bzzness

Before anyone hires an assassine, hold your money. Just to make things clear, right after the incident:

Quote from: XyNox
Well, looks like you've gone full retard again (and I'm not referring just to this post, but also your attitude lately). Unfortunately, given your history, it's not something you can do.
Good luck with your next account, maybe it will finally be the one.

I appreciate your administrative measures cmp but if I may interject, I did not take any offence by him and there is no demand for punishing Panos on my behalf. I took it merely as a joke.

As I said, if you ask me there is no need to ban Panos and I would not at all complain if he'd be unbanned this instant. Its Panos afterall and I was just joking about this list  :).
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: StonedSteel on June 29, 2013, 05:50:05 pm
Some people really add something special to the community.

FREE

PANOS

NOW!!!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Fuma Kotaro on June 29, 2013, 05:51:32 pm
Fuma chill, knowing Cmp's mercy if you keep on like that you're the next on the list.

QuaQ
Banos did nothing wrong this time that was just fuckn retarded
QuaQ over
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Tibe on June 29, 2013, 05:54:10 pm
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"Dear Admins"

"You fucked up"
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 29, 2013, 05:55:45 pm
Wait, panos was permbanned for typing "shut your whore mouth ranged cunt" ?
I appreciate your administrative measures cmp but if I may interject, I did not take any offence by him and there is no demand for punishing Panos on my behalf. I took it merely as a joke.

Maybe I should have bolded this part in the original post, because it seems a lot of people are missing it:
Well, looks like you've gone full retard again (and I'm not referring just to this post, but also your attitude lately). Unfortunately, given your history, it's not something you can do.
Good luck with your next account, maybe it will finally be the one.

When you have been permabanned several times you get no leeway. If you think that's unfair, feel free to not apply it in your community.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Frankysan on June 29, 2013, 05:56:56 pm
really guys stop this bullshit with panos, i was starting to believe this community is not that bad when i bump in this crap again.

no need to be a genius to understand this is just about short penis nerds ruining the day of an actually very nice guy (YES YOU FUCKERS HE IS A PERSON) for your personal fun.

It was once about really crossing the line and misbehaving to other players, but now it turned into a really bad joke. Maybe get some active admins to watch wtf happens on servers and keep the game fun for everyone, and stop wasting your and our time with this kind of bans; as bonus it also makes the devs look retarded to ppl with some sense of "justice".
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Muunilinst on June 29, 2013, 06:00:12 pm
Sometimes Panos can be a troll but he allways especially lately tryed to make the mod more friendly and betetr for all of us, shame that he has to go like this  :cry:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Tibe on June 29, 2013, 06:08:14 pm
Maybe I should have bolded this part in the original post, because it seems a lot of people are missing it:
When you have been permabanned several times you get no leeway. If you think that's unfair, feel free to not apply it in your community.

Attitude? Wat? I mean I dont get it. You permaban Panos, a dude who just swears alot and you just let bad players like Mion for example roam around. A player who fabricates evidence to get people banned, makes pointless banrequests, provokes, griefs and occasionally acts racist? Not to mention some other players. And you keep permabanning Panos? This is a joke right? -.-
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on June 29, 2013, 06:10:39 pm
Dude, I`m with you, I believe that Paul AND Tydeus are the most useless  devs, they changed the polearm animations, and yet they didnt touch the lolstab.

But, I really need to spend some time in game before I start pointing fingers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zv00vm_TUs


Look at the fucking animations Zlisch you dumb fuck, look how much does the polearm nudge extends, and then look how far the 1h and the overhead nudge extends.



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Are you really that stupid??

You compare a 142 lenght weapon with a 70 one??



Next ones are the Italians.

Italian humor meh

(cmp is Italian, afaik. Can't deny it could be directed to him. The second one is, for sure.)

Heil Germonies, I made a banner, to thank you and Angela Merkel for all the help that you gave to Greece.



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No need to thank me.


It's not a single post of him, but in combination I must say he is a rather unpleasant forum member. Still I think an essay should get him unbanned...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 29, 2013, 06:17:38 pm
There's way more if you read the last weeks of his post history (most of the ones you quoted aren't even that bad). If this was his first ban I would give him an essay, but given his history I don't think it works..
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Allers on June 29, 2013, 06:18:37 pm
how many bans
HEY PANOS
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Gnjus on June 29, 2013, 06:24:20 pm
The only thing wrong I can see here is some balding italian midget poker-eyed nerd having no sense of humor whatsoever and having a go at Pancake in the only way available to him. Of all trolls Pancake at least makes some contribution now and then plus he can be quite funny which you can't say for all of 'em out there. He has everything that certain baldinos don't: he is beloved by the folks for his charisma, he has height, he has hair, he has some good fun even in this virtual surroundings, he banged some girls irl (even if they were under-aged and undeveloped, it still counts). Ban he, cause you can't have the same. This is the 2nd time already he has been permabanned for nothing. Well not really for nothing but for someone's inability to comprehend the internet and it's dwellers.


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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Torben on June 29, 2013, 06:27:48 pm
if its just about forum cant you just perm mute him?  Its so nice having him around,  a real shame :/
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Oberyn on June 29, 2013, 06:33:12 pm
Yeah, I wouldn't have anything against Panos being permamutted on forums. From my experience ingame he is no more annoying or ragey than any dozen others I could name, and a better player than most.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Kafein on June 29, 2013, 06:38:23 pm
Maybe I should have bolded this part in the original post, because it seems a lot of people are missing it:

That particular line isn't an offense at all. Perm ban him for the first teamkill he does if you like, but IMO this is not right.

Besides, Panos seems to be the only player getting ingame punishment for forum misbehavior.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lars on June 29, 2013, 06:42:13 pm
Wtf?! Is Panos permabanned from game too? complete bullshit ban, unban him
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: KingBread on June 29, 2013, 06:45:29 pm
That particular line isn't an offense at all. Perm ban him for the first teamkill he does if you like, but IMO this is not right.

Besides, Panos seems to be the only player getting ingame punishment for forum misbehavior.
This i guess. Shame he is a troll but engaged in community (vide achievments and stuff) and i thought he knows his borders this time. I say unban in game and mute on forum in worst case.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prinz_Karl on June 29, 2013, 06:52:59 pm
Attitude? Wat? I mean I dont get it. You permaban Panos, a dude who just swears alot and you just let bad players like Mion for example roam around. A player who fabricates evidence to get people banned, makes pointless banrequests, provokes, griefs and occasionally acts racist? Not to mention some other players. And you keep permabanning Panos? This is a joke right? -.-

What's about that Mion guy actually? What did he do wrong?


Also Panos was more contributing to this community than detroying it, even if he pissed many people off. The ban was just unnecessary.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 29, 2013, 07:08:07 pm
What's about that Mion guy actually? What did he do wrong?


Also Panos was more contributing to this community than detroying it, even if he pissed many people off. The ban was just unnecessary.
Mion is the type of player who will intentionally shoot and bump their teammate (if the guy looks new), then when the teammate hits back Mion will take screenshots and banthread him.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Leshma on June 29, 2013, 07:11:59 pm
Panos, please contact me when you get to your senses.

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 29, 2013, 07:12:11 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: KingBread on June 29, 2013, 07:16:06 pm
Yes i would find it great panos essay about "why ranged is important part of CRPG" for 3000 words ! PLease Please please devs !!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 29, 2013, 07:23:13 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 29, 2013, 07:29:28 pm
His past history should not come into play for a new account

It comes into play after the second permaban.
To you and most people he's just a funny troll, to those of us who spent countless hours dealing with his bullshit he's way more than that. Easy to judge when you don't know/remember most of the facts.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 29, 2013, 07:34:14 pm
Yes i would find it great panos essay about "why ranged is important part of CRPG" for 3000 words ! PLease Please please devs !!

I can't think of anything more degrading than an adult having to write an essay for some geeks in order to play a computer game because he 'misbehaved'. Still can't believe people have actually wrote those in the past.

If it was me, I would rather stay banned but still be able to look at myself in the mirror with my pride intact.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Kafein on June 29, 2013, 07:38:16 pm
It comes into play after the second permaban.
To you and most people he's just a funny troll, to those of us who spent countless hours dealing with his bullshit he's way more than that. Easy to judge when you don't know/remember most of the facts.

Okay so that was really an excuse then
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 29, 2013, 07:39:25 pm
What was an excuse?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Kafein on June 29, 2013, 07:42:03 pm
What was an excuse?

That last aggressive post of Panos was an excuse to ban him, if I get this right.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 29, 2013, 07:44:20 pm
No, you're not getting that right (I'm not even sure where you're getting that at all). You could say it's what made me go over his posting history, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Riddaren on June 29, 2013, 07:45:22 pm
Mion is the type of player who will intentionally shoot and bump their teammate (if the guy looks new), then when the teammate hits back Mion will take screenshots and banthread him.

Zlisch, do you realize you could just replace Mion with your own name?
What a blunder...

I've seen Zlisch behave bad on EU_4 for as long as I remember. Teamhitting, teamkilling, kick and ban polling for no reason.
I have not seen any other player behave as bad as he has. Still he gets away with it, for some reason.

Panos may not pick his words as well as Zlisch but he is a nice guy who have also contributed to the community.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Son Of Odin on June 29, 2013, 07:46:38 pm
Well it's true that Panos' posts are/were getting reported quite often and that forces the moderation team to take a look at them and consider whether the reports are valid or not.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: polkafranzi on June 29, 2013, 07:47:14 pm
Well it's true that Panos' posts are/were getting reported quite often and that forces the moderation team to take a look at them and consider whether the reports are valid or not.

Well done over-sensitive nerds who reported his posts.

Go outside.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Leesin on June 29, 2013, 07:52:22 pm
Forum ban maybe, but game ban? Too far. Panos occasional outbursts aside he is actually a good guy and one of the better players ingame, he  contributes to the game and also helps new players. His past is the past, if he has over stepped the mark on the forum then ok ban him or mute him here, but a game ban seems too much.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 29, 2013, 07:55:42 pm
Zlisch, do you realize you could just replace Mion with your own name?
What a blunder...

I've seen Zlisch behave bad on EU_4 for as long as I remember. Teamhitting, teamkilling, kick and ban polling for no reason.
I have not seen any other player behave as bad as he has. Still he gets away with it, for some reason.

Panos may not pick his words as well as Zlisch but he is a nice guy who have also contributed to the community.
Riddaren, I may teamkill (though I've pretty much purely done it at the end of the round, accidentally, or to a friend for quite some time now), I may occasionally banpoll/kickpoll a friend or someone legitimately breaking the rules and pissing me off enough to care, but unlike Mion I never have and never will frame someone, or grief someone and then banthread them if they respond, so no, you can't replace my name with Mions. And I'm not gonna lie, I've been quite rude to you and others without proper ground, but I would never do any of the disgusting shit that Mion does.

And I fully agree on your description of Panos (besides me not exactly putting my words all that well), but I still understand cmps reaction.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on June 29, 2013, 08:08:32 pm
I'm not the person who liked him and found it good that he was banned when it was the first time. This time I do not approve it although I have little sympathy for Panos.
I dont think that rageposts should lead to a ban that also prevents him to play the game. Permanently mute him on the forum if you dont like his posts but this is too much. In general I dont think that being an ass on the forum should lead to ingame punishments. He also did some nice things for the community and you should think about this too.

Think about this ban, it is not fair. This action is random, sleep a night and unban him.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on June 29, 2013, 08:32:23 pm
I guess I can understand how much it sucks if you get constant reports for the same member. So I can understand how CMP, when he reads this - indeed absolutely inacceptable, even for Panos - outburst of insults and cursing, goes absolute apeshit on Panos. We all know how he can be, and we should show some empathy for CMP.

Still, on the other hand, nobody would think you'd lose your face if you'd revert the permaban. Panos acted emotionally all the time, and now did you for the first time, and nobody will charge you with that. If we all calm down until tomorrow, no harm will have been done.

I think saying "It's Panos, it's okay, he can't act differently" is wrong. He has to learn and to stick to the rules like everybody else. Being temperamental is no excuse. To me it shows only a lack of maturity and in some cases of intelligence. I rarely see smart people completely losing control over themselves.

That's why I think that Panos should indeed be punished. My suggestion:

We still stick to the essay "Why ranged combat is important for the game, and why everybody is allowed to enjoy it the way he likes", and expand it with "Why we should treat everybody with respect and why one should always stay objective in a discussion". So he has actually to write two of them.

Then he gets muted on the forum for the maximum amount of time, say 99% or 100% (if 100% doesn't mean ban).

And then he agrees to never violate not only the forum rules any more, but also the rules of conduct and good behaviour. If he again breaks the rules, feel free to ban his ass from that moment on until the end of time. We all will be witnesses of his promis to behave from now on, we all will know the deal and the possible punishment, and we all will know it will be justified when you ban him the next time.

And we all know he will get banned another time. It will just take longer, a year or one and a half something like that. And at that point, the mod will be dead, anyway.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Riddaren on June 29, 2013, 08:40:40 pm
Riddaren, I may teamkill (though I've pretty much purely done it at the end of the round, accidentally, or to a friend for quite some time now), I may occasionally banpoll/kickpoll a friend or someone legitimately breaking the rules and pissing me off enough to care, but unlike Mion I never have and never will frame someone, or grief someone and then banthread them if they respond, so no, you can't replace my name with Mions. And I'm not gonna lie, I've been quite rude to you and others without proper ground, but I would never do any of the disgusting shit that Mion does.

And I fully agree on your description of Panos (besides me not exactly putting my words all that well), but I still understand cmps reaction.

Oh... that was not the answer I expected. I truly appreciate your honesty Zlisch!

Let's bury the hatchet and pray that Mork will have mercy on our souls :wink:

By the way; why not unban Panos ingame atleast?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Juhanius on June 29, 2013, 08:46:54 pm
Good night right side :wink:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Kafein on June 29, 2013, 08:49:28 pm
No, you're not getting that right (I'm not even sure where you're getting that at all). You could say it's what made me go over his posting history, but that's about it.

Fine then, just unban him ingame please :(

I wouldn't want that happening to anybody
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: ToxicKilla on June 29, 2013, 08:52:12 pm
You could tell he actually tried to be better this time around, and he was also doing quite a bit to help new guys and shiz, he's just a bit of a hot head. Kind of an undeserved ban.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 29, 2013, 08:56:24 pm
Still, on the other hand, nobody would think you'd lose your face if you'd revert the permaban. Panos acted emotionally all the time, and now did you for the first time, and nobody will charge you with that. If we all calm down until tomorrow, no harm will have been done.

I have no reason for reverting the permaban, unless something changed since he was banned and I haven't heard about it.

Also, to clear up some concerns: banning people in-game for something they say on the forum is not something we do very often.
However, you have to understand that when/if your permaban gets removed, you don't get a clean slate and you are expected to behave in a certain way; if you don't, your full ban gets restored. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: KingBread on June 29, 2013, 09:03:55 pm
I can't think of anything more degrading than an adult having to write an essay for some geeks in order to play a computer game because he 'misbehaved'. Still can't believe people have actually wrote those in the past.

If it was me, I would rather stay banned but still be able to look at myself in the mirror with my pride intact.
I think your pride have rather weak base if it can fall so easly. When face some internet community game.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Perverz on June 29, 2013, 09:04:06 pm
banning people in-game for something they say on the forum is not something we do very often.

you shouldn't do that at all.
its just retarded and have no sence
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: wanteds on June 29, 2013, 09:05:09 pm
No, you're not getting that right (I'm not even sure where you're getting that at all). You could say it's what made me go over his posting history, but that's about it.

Well, I'm only hearing positive stuff about his late behavior from everyone.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 29, 2013, 09:12:44 pm
you shouldn't do that at all.
its just retarded and have no sence

Especially when you purposefully leave out the part that explains it.

Well, I'm only hearing positive stuff about his late behavior from everyone.

Unfortunately the condition for a permaban not getting restored is "behave well in-game and on the forums", not just "behave well in-game". Panos already knew that from his previous permaban.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on June 29, 2013, 09:16:00 pm
It comes into play after the second permaban.
To you and most people he's just a funny troll, to those of us who spent countless hours dealing with his bullshit he's way more than that. Easy to judge when you don't know/remember most of the facts.


Will you please break it down for us once and for all with all the facts, since we don't have all the facts as you say and I promise I myself I'll never ask another question about Panos ever again.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: dynamike on June 29, 2013, 09:17:01 pm
I say give him credit for trying.

Even from the other side of the pond you can see that he has done some good things for the community - and active members like him are becoming sparse.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Perverz on June 29, 2013, 09:18:41 pm
look cmpx i just said baning someone in game because forum troling or whatever for me is bullshit!!!!!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Micah on June 29, 2013, 09:20:33 pm
I would love to agree with people who want to unban panos and are sad about the ban like me, but i cant , because ~

Panos isnt a nice guy!
Eventhough i thought i start to like him myself a bit, but on the second thought , it was mostly relief because he didnt insult me directly anymore - aswell as likey or hatey doesnt matter here at all!
Eventhought some people may think he is cool, because he insults random (or particular?) people, appearently not caring about their emotions and his own ban history, Not only in forums, also in game! Yet its correct, he did quite behave ingame ...
Eventhough he had some funny ideas in the forum and had his opinions in suggestions corner, yet often enough acompanied by strong and subtile insults and provocations towards individual people...
Eventhough i feel with him regarding his perhaps bad irl-environment and even more, because i believe he has some kind of neural disorder, making him experiance things stronger than others and causing him to go emo all the time - and i would suggest him to get some help on this matter
Eventhough he has extrovertive charm and a talent to make his friends love him and his enemies hate him, and his punishers feel guilty, and his friends are currently fanatically trying to save him from a ban against all objectivity
Panos isnt a nice guy!

Because its not okay to insult people - not like this ... and its not funny and its not cool and its not rectified, neither by having a bad irl-experiances, nor because its fun watching him do this ... there is nothing that makes it ok,including saying "grow a thicker skin in the internet" - which i find the most retarded statement in this community btw - and admins dont have to tolerate this !
You need to get this straight guys... you can have fun, but not by cost of other peoples fun, and this is what panos is propagating most of the time, regardless if he is realising it or not. And he is doing this with the help of his followers, who are also catalysing this trend ... to the disadvantage of the community and also for panos disadvantage, your own hero!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 29, 2013, 09:29:39 pm

Will you please break it down for us once and for all with all the facts, since we don't have all the facts as you say and I promise I myself I'll never ask another question about Panos ever again.

Sorry, but no. I've wasted enough time with him already and I'm certainly not gonna do it a second time to dig some old IRC logs and forum posts because you asked.
You're gonna have to take my word for it, and if you can't, that's not really my problem.

look cmpx i just said baning someone in game because forum troling or whatever for me is bullshit!!!!!

This is bullshit:
XYZ trolls on forum -> XYZ gets permabanned

This is not bullshit:
XYZ gets permabanned -> XYZ's permaban gets removed on condition that he behaves nice on the forum and in-game -> XYZ doesn't behave nice on the forum -> XYZ's ban gets restored

If you fail to see why those two cases are very different, again, that's not really my problem.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: darmaster on June 29, 2013, 09:32:17 pm
Sorry, but no. I've wasted enough time with him already and I'm certainly not gonna do it a second time to dig some old IRC logs and forum posts because you asked.
You're gonna have to take my word for it, and if you can't, that's not really my problem.

This is bullshit:
XYZ trolls on forum -> XYZ gets permabanned

This is not bullshit:
XYZ gets permabanned -> XYZ's permaban gets removed on condition that he behaves nice on the forum and in-game -> XYZ doesn't behave nice on the forum -> XYZ's ban gets restored

If you fail to see why those two cases are very different, again, that's not really my problem.

we guys have to give him a point here. we're not asking him to be fair, we're asking him to be good; let's just hope he'll change his mind.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 29, 2013, 09:32:38 pm

This is bullshit:
XYZ trolls on forum -> XYZ gets permabanned

This is not bullshit:
XYZ gets permabanned -> XYZ's permaban gets removed on condition that he behaves nice on the forum and in-game -> XYZ doesn't behave nice on the forum -> XYZ's ban gets restored

If you fail to see why those two cases are very different, again, that's not really my problem.

Hopefully people can understand it when you have to put it that simple  :P
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 29, 2013, 09:32:53 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on June 29, 2013, 09:41:17 pm
Sorry, but no. I've wasted enough time with him already and I'm certainly not gonna do it a second time to dig some old IRC logs and forum posts because you asked.
You're gonna have to take my word for it, and if you can't, that's not really my problem.



As expected...  More than enough from me.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Perverz on June 29, 2013, 09:53:19 pm
i understand what are you talk about....but bann on forum should't have effect in game.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Dolphin on June 29, 2013, 10:33:51 pm
i understand what are you talk about....but bann on forum should't have effect in game.

This is what i understand is the reason on the ban, downvote me if i am wrong.

The first perm was placed, and he bhougt the game a second time.
He gets told to behave or he will get removed from the mod, again.

It is not because of a single post he got banned, he got banned because he promised to behave, which he didnt... (did i cut in paper, black and white)

That is the reason he got banned ingame also and not just muted on the forums.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Molly on June 29, 2013, 10:38:45 pm
Not really sure what to say. I have a hard time remembering any incidents before today on this specific account and that wasn't even close to crpg-forum "full retardness". I've seen worse, way worse things being simply ignored.

About those reported posts: Those are Panos-posts and he is polarizing inside this community like nobody else, that should be kept in mind when reacting on those reports.

It seems that the good work Panos did lately is completely ignored. Maybe on purpose or maybe cuz devs aren't as connected to the community as they used to be before MBG.

He organized events, he put a lot of effort into the armour-thread, he came up with the Achievements, he paid his own Gold for headhunting, he gave away loompoints for free, he keeps crpg going for a lot of veterans. Whenever he came up with some idea like those above, the population on EU1 grew, you saw people suddenly playing a bit who you didn't see for weeks.

Things like these have to count for something, one might think. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to count for shit. And that is more disappointing than the ban itself. I am disappointed.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on June 29, 2013, 10:44:33 pm
i understand what are you talk about....but bann on forum should't have effect in game.

The rules for everyone don't apply to him. He was banned once already, he got another chance under a special, less forgiving deal. And he broke that deal, which means he receives the promised punishment.

Darmaster is right, we can't ask CMP to be fair, we can only ask him to be nice.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on June 29, 2013, 10:48:05 pm
guys relax, warband is only 10 eurobucks...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Mendro on June 29, 2013, 10:58:02 pm
guys relax, warband is only 10 eurobucks...

Still expensive for greek people.

FREE PANOS !
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: MicroMats on June 29, 2013, 11:00:03 pm
UNBAN PANOS !
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on June 29, 2013, 11:16:34 pm
lol benkei, no humor when it concerns panos?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Molly on June 29, 2013, 11:25:16 pm
lol benkei, no humor when it concerns panos?
Those kind of jokes are exactly a huge part of the problem. Everyone is so used to making fun about Panos being banned that everyone forgets how he might feel about being banned for such a minor thing after being probably one of the most helpful people in the whole community for quite some time now.
Certainly more helpful to the mod than you or me...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Matey on June 29, 2013, 11:27:21 pm
Free panos. Dissing ranged is a huge part of crpg, you can't ban him for that.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on June 29, 2013, 11:30:25 pm
 I'll just quote this because I feel it should be in this page too.


Not really sure what to say. I have a hard time remembering any incidents before today on this specific account and that wasn't even close to crpg-forum "full retardness". I've seen worse, way worse things being simply ignored.

About those reported posts: Those are Panos-posts and he is polarizing inside this community like nobody else, that should be kept in mind when reacting on those reports.

It seems that the good work Panos did lately is completely ignored. Maybe on purpose or maybe cuz devs aren't as connected to the community as they used to be before MBG.

He organized events, he put a lot of effort into the armour-thread, he came up with the Achievements, he paid his own Gold for headhunting, he gave away loompoints for free, he keeps crpg going for a lot of veterans. Whenever he came up with some idea like those above, the population on EU1 grew, you saw people suddenly playing a bit who you didn't see for weeks.

Things like these have to count for something, one might think. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to count for shit. And that is more disappointing than the ban itself. I am disappointed.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Bazinga on June 29, 2013, 11:34:48 pm
Such drama for one guy, don't you guys have better stuff to do with your time?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Idzo on June 29, 2013, 11:45:59 pm
Panos put a lot of himself in improving community.

I think he did great job.

Donated lots of his stuff/looms/gold to new players.
Helped them countless times on server.
Created new clan.
Organized some events.
Supported actions to get new stuff in mod and so on...

He surely did more than some frustrated guy who is playing god around and ban players.

Since when is "shut your whore mouth ranged my old friend " good enough reason for permaban?

Cmp stop being retard dude, you proved your point long time ago...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: MicroMats on June 29, 2013, 11:53:57 pm
^ IdZo got a point.

UNBAN
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Belatu on June 30, 2013, 12:01:04 am
people insult too easily
people get used to it
 but it is not good and it shouldnt be like that
something has to be done
and you start for the beggining
nice

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Belatu on June 30, 2013, 12:03:01 am

Since when is "shut your whore mouth ranged my old friend " good enough reason for permaban?

It should have been since forever
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 30, 2013, 12:09:06 am
The People have spoken.

UNBAN NOW!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Idzo on June 30, 2013, 12:09:20 am
It should have been since forever

You got point. It SHOULD be and I agree.

But it's not.. Oh wait! But we can ban Panos, he is an asshole anyway...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Kafein on June 30, 2013, 12:11:31 am
This would be the perfect political diversion to hide the weaknesses of the latest patch
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Grumbs on June 30, 2013, 12:14:10 am
Seriously guys, lots of people vomiting over other guys here and insulting and degrading the devs team and the others crpg players. loosing the minimum respect shall be permmabannable.
And If I am a good guy doing lots of good things for everybody, community. It doesnt allow me to say shit when I feel the I want to.
Do you imagine chadz posting patch notes saying:
Here you have the patch notes you bunch of retards, now pick a fucking bow and headshot those 2handers whores, you usesless community. Also greeks and spanish fuck of and go to the rubbish to get you daily menu...
 :rolleyes:


Devs can have some shockingly bad regard for their players too, just check certain guys post histories. If you want respect from the community, treat the community with respect first. Not the other way around. This is supposed to be a professional dev team at some point. People already paid money to help fund their next game, and if they think people will suddenly forget the past when their next game comes they are very naive. Devs and community representatives set the stage we play on, they should have some better attitudes if they want the same from even the likes of Panos

About Panos, its cmp's judgement imo but if it were my choice I wouldn't have banned him yet eventhough if you asked me that several months ago I would have thought differently. CMP made it clear Panos was on thin ice since he came back

Anyway this is just a huge smokescreen to divert attention away from today's fail patch :p
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Haboe on June 30, 2013, 12:17:17 am
Not by far the worse thing said on this forum.

He is banned because he is well knows and heavily voices an opinion that strongly goes against the devs...

I'm always pro dev and admin for all the time they spend on the mod, but bullshit like this is what they do wrong...


Panos put a lot of himself in improving community.

I think he did great job.

Donated lots of his stuff/looms/gold to new players.
Helped them countless times on server.
Created new clan.
Organized some events.
Supported actions to get new stuff in mod and so on...

He surely did more than some frustrated guy who is playing god around and ban players.

Since when is "shut your whore mouth ranged my old friend " good enough reason for permaban?

Cmp stop being retard dude, you proved your point long time ago...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Tanken on June 30, 2013, 12:17:56 am
Devs can have some shockingly bad regard for their players too, just check certain guys post histories. If you want respect from the community, treat the community with respect first. Not the other way around. This is supposed to be a professional dev team at some point. People already paid money to help fund their next game, and if they think people will suddenly forget the past when their next game comes they are very naive. Devs and community representatives set the stage we play on, they should have some better attitudes if they want the same from even the likes of Panos

About Panos, its cmp's judgement imo but if it were my choice I wouldn't have banned him yet eventhough if you asked me that several months ago I would have thought differently. CMP made it clear Panos was on thin ice since he came back

Anyway this is just a huge smokescreen to divert attention away from today's fail patch :p


The game isn't coming, afaik. If this isn't true, I blame Smoothrich.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: polkafranzi on June 30, 2013, 12:20:02 am
Devs can have some shockingly bad regard for their players too, just check certain guys post histories. If you want respect from the community, treat the community with respect first. Not the other way around. This is supposed to be a professional dev team at some point. People already paid money to help fund their next game, and if they think people will suddenly forget the past when their next game comes they are very naive. Devs and community representatives set the stage we play on, they should have some better attitudes if they want the same from even the likes of Panos

About Panos, its cmp's judgement imo but if it were my choice I wouldn't have banned him yet eventhough if you asked me that several months ago I would have thought differently. CMP made it clear Panos was on thin ice since he came back

Anyway this is just a huge smokescreen to divert attention away from today's fail patch :p

i just +1'd a grumbs post?

lol.....

retarded skinny spaghetti armed italian prick wrong decision cunt fucking nerd decision ftl.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Ulmarth on June 30, 2013, 12:27:12 am
All im goin to say on this is that its a real shame. Panos just speaks from his heart nothing more, if ppl talked to him on TS or whatever they would realise this. I dnt wanna say its wrong of cmp to ban as i understand what its like to deal with ppl like this (admin for other games).

But what i will say is that he really did try this time. Made a clan, helped new players, invited ppl who were new so we could teach them to play crpg. And before u say it we taught them properly not the old troll ways of the Bandits ;P

Anyways makes me sad that this has happened. Another name to add to my slowly growin list of mates who dnt play crpg anymore. Its already bigger than the side of mates playing crpg which is sad :(

As some may know Panos left me in charge of the Varagians for now till this settles over the next days. But as i work 3 jobs at the moment i doubt ill be able to run it myself : /

Could be the last thing to happen to finally make me leave this full time hahahaha

Anyways take it easy guys.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: ToxicKilla on June 30, 2013, 12:28:57 am
(click to show/hide)

Benkei hit the nail on the head.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: darmaster on June 30, 2013, 12:34:19 am
ok let me say this; panos was (hope "will be") a "special" player; he had 2 permabans, which are a lot.

now he learned the lesson, at least at start, and behaved correctly; he also helped the community, a lot as you say, and we all appreciated this; but we have to admit that his behavior in his latest post was inappropriate, especially for someone like him, a special observed.

you can't compare his ban to any other, he was in a situation of precarious balance, and he fell down by his own fault. you guys keep complaining to cmp being too much strict, and i might agree partly with you, but actually panos shouldn't even have had such a chance; you ask cmp to be fair, since panos helped the community, but if cmp had been fair the first time panos wouldn't even have had the possibility to do so.

now i'm asking you guys to be fair, instead of typing "bullsh1t" or "fr33 panos" please start thinking that our buddy here had enough chances, and surely knew that he wasn't the same as the others, by having 2 permabans behind; you can't just insult people, and not as much as he did for sure, in his situation.

said so, i really hope cmp will think about this sever decision, too much in my (and many others) opinion.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on June 30, 2013, 12:40:04 am
Yeah, I think first of all people should stop insulting the devs and cmp in special. I don't think that those heavy insults against cmp will bring Panos back. If anything, the opposite will happen, and only displays what kind of people supports Panos.

Stay calm, stay friendly, stay mature.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on June 30, 2013, 12:43:38 am
Yeah, I think first of all people should stop insulting the devs and cmp in special. I don't think that those heavy insults against cmp will bring Panos back. If anything, the opposite will happen, and only displays what kind of people supports Panos.

Stay calm, stay friendly, stay mature.

Stop it, I think u helped enough...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on June 30, 2013, 01:38:30 am
Stop it, I think u helped enough...

I want him back, too. But insulting the people who can do that is working against it.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: juv95hrn on June 30, 2013, 01:43:16 am
Panos did harass me in game for a long time. Incessant kicking, running around in circles hitting me with his fist, etc. I don't think this was aimed at me personally. I just think he liked to annoy people.

I think it was well deserved and that it lasts for good this time.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on June 30, 2013, 01:48:45 am
Panos did harass me in game for a long time. Incessant kicking, running around in circles hitting me with his fist, etc. I don't think this was aimed at me personally. I just think he liked to annoy people.

I think it was well deserved and that it lasts for good this time.

Let's see if the "+" from your 10-rules-topic will exceed the "-" from this post  :wink:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: juv95hrn on June 30, 2013, 01:52:00 am
Let's see if the "+" from your 10-rules-topic will exceed the "-" from this post  :wink:

Yes. Stating facts surely deserves "-". Fire away!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Gristle on June 30, 2013, 02:10:41 am

The game isn't coming, afaik. If this isn't true, I blame Smoothrich.

"A friend of a friend of a friend told me..."
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Haboe on June 30, 2013, 02:24:26 am
Yes. Stating facts surely deserves "-". Fire away!

When you state facts its usually not advice to put the words "i think it was well deserved" in there ;)
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 02:35:03 am
Yeah, I think first of all people should stop insulting the devs and cmp in special. I don't think that those heavy insults against cmp will bring Panos back. If anything, the opposite will happen, and only displays what kind of people supports Panos.

Don't worry, insults from random people do nothing at all. There's only one person who can bring Panos back, and that is Panos.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on June 30, 2013, 02:43:46 am
Honestly, I think a temporary forum mute would be more appropriate. But that's just me looking at this ban out of the context from basically anything else involving Panos.

I figure that if you sperg out on the forums, you should get punished on the forums. And, there's no denying that Pano's little outburst was a total sperg. No humor, no wit, just the searing heat of wild internet fury, funny only because each and every word typed seems to have evaded Panos's internal filter.

On a related note: I find the idea of "I'm sowwy" essays astoundingly, fantastically demeaning. A public apology is fine. An essay, however,  is reminiscent of grade-school punishment. It's like being spanked in front of the whole internet. I'd rather fuck sand (or stop playing).

And cmp, I don't think Panos can bring himself back?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on June 30, 2013, 03:07:43 am
Don't worry, insults from random people do nothing at all. There's only one person who can bring Panos back, and that is Panos.

So I guess if he does something which (in your eyes) makes up for what he has done, amuses you or touches your heart deeplay so that you lose a single, manly tear, there are chances for him to come back?

Now that's a start at least  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: teale on June 30, 2013, 03:25:12 am
I know he's been banned before etc so this could be void, but when he was ranting about the new update (I know that's not the only reason you re-instated the ban) Considering pretty much everybody on this thread has said he's been well behaved this time around, couldn't you have just said 'Okay Panos you need to chill the fuck out and remember you're only playing the game because we're giving you a second (Third? Fourth?) Chance. I dunno, might just be me but I feel like he should have got some sort of warning, he was clearly raging about the update which tipped him over. A small reminder could have helped is all.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Thomek on June 30, 2013, 03:36:19 am
This is all interesting, as we all feel very strongly for Panos here. It's a sign we are a thight knit community, but also that cRPG is pure heroin. It's like taking away the daily dose(s) from a fellow junkie. You might like him or not, he is a total bastard (like the rest of us) but our human compassion translates very easy to Imagine A World Without cRPG!

The human part in me says unban Panos. But on the other hand, it's not a very good sign to the rest to let him slip. Both those that are permabanned, perhaps for lesser things than what Panos have done, and those that will be. It could potentially create a very nasty precedence.

On the other hand, the mod is small, the community is tight, and everyone knows Panos and his case. I doubt the consequences of an unban would be that huge. What I always liked about him was that he was funny and gave from himself, good or bad.  (Comparing to others who sometimes manages to destroy the server and mood without breaking any rules..)

Now to the practicals, if in a hypotethical situation cmp asked me to unban Panos on the condition that I would have to deal with all Panos matters in the future, I'd say no way. For the admins and devs, all that stuff translates into lots of extra WORK, for just one player to have fun and be himself. I've never timed it, but an average ban probably takes about 15mins to 1 hour of dealing with complaints, proof, back and forth. And lots of interruptions. If it's a drama thing it can go on for days..  :rolleyes:

I don't personally know the detailed drama/ban/workload history of Panos, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was rather heavy. Still, if I was cmp, I'd asked the admins (not me btw) if anyone is willing to take responsibility for an unban of Panos, and all future Panos matters. Perhaps that is a solution? :)
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Kitten_Mittonz on June 30, 2013, 06:24:41 am
Free ma n*gga Panos man this guy may have had a bad rep in the past but over the last few months you can notice a considerable amount of change his been contributing and helping out in events on forums etc more then alot of people here. Everyone nerd rages once and a while how is his rage any different.  :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Strudog on June 30, 2013, 08:39:24 am
This is all interesting, as we all feel very strongly for Panos here. It's a sign we are a thight knit community, but also that cRPG is pure heroin. It's like taking away the daily dose(s) from a fellow junkie. You might like him or not, he is a total bastard (like the rest of us) but our human compassion translates very easy to Imagine A World Without cRPG!

The human part in me says unban Panos. But on the other hand, it's not a very good sign to the rest to let him slip. Both those that are permabanned, perhaps for lesser things than what Panos have done, and those that will be. It could potentially create a very nasty precedence.

On the other hand, the mod is small, the community is tight, and everyone knows Panos and his case. I doubt the consequences of an unban would be that huge. What I always liked about him was that he was funny and gave from himself, good or bad.  (Comparing to others who sometimes manages to destroy the server and mood without breaking any rules..)

Now to the practicals, if in a hypotethical situation cmp asked me to unban Panos on the condition that I would have to deal with all Panos matters in the future, I'd say no way. For the admins and devs, all that stuff translates into lots of extra WORK, for just one player to have fun and be himself. I've never timed it, but an average ban probably takes about 15mins to 1 hour of dealing with complaints, proof, back and forth. And lots of interruptions. If it's a drama thing it can go on for days..  :rolleyes:

I don't personally know the detailed drama/ban/workload history of Panos, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was rather heavy. Still, if I was cmp, I'd asked the admins (not me btw) if anyone is willing to take responsibility for an unban of Panos, and all future Panos matters. Perhaps that is a solution? :)

You admins actually do something in c-rpg? you learn something new every day
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Molly on June 30, 2013, 10:27:28 am
So I guess if he does something which (in your eyes) makes up for what he has done, amuses you or touches your heart deeplay so that you lose a single, manly tear, there are chances for him to come back?

Now that's a start at least  :mrgreen:
All he ment was "...if he buys a new key, I might not ban him straight away again."
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Mwahahaha on June 30, 2013, 10:47:59 am
Can we just send some money for Panos, for new game? ( I can give him 1-2 euro ) I don`t now him well, but I like how he do on strat battles, he dont do a shit, I want him back. For me he is a nice guy, he is just plays role of a rude guy.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on June 30, 2013, 10:54:56 am
Can we just send some money for Panos, for new game? ( I can give him 1-2 euro ) I don`t now him well, but I like how he do on strat battles, he dont do a shit, I want him back. For me he is a nice guy, he is just plays role of a rude guy.

He doesn't want a new key.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Corwin on June 30, 2013, 11:15:35 am
Maybe I should have bolded this part in the original post, because it seems a lot of people are missing it:
When you have been permabanned several times you get no leeway. If you think that's unfair, feel free to not apply it in your community.

So, its up to admins now to estimate people's "attitude in general"? This is the second time you are banning him for reasons no one else ever got banned.

Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: brunoII on June 30, 2013, 11:31:41 am
In my opinion Panos is a proper person and available ..... Panos free .... unban
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: brunoII on June 30, 2013, 12:37:48 pm
Prpavi where is your post? however, had borne this

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 12:54:09 pm
So, its up to admins now to estimate people's "attitude in general"? This is the second time you are banning him for reasons no one else ever got banned.

I think you forgot to mention that no one else ever racked up that many permabans.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Riddaren on June 30, 2013, 12:55:54 pm
Click my signature for more of my newly made Panos signatures :wink:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: djavo on June 30, 2013, 01:16:42 pm
It's not time to get banned,
Just relax, take it easy.
You're still young, that's your fault,
There's so much you have to know.
Find a clan, settle down,
If you want join kapikulu.
Look at me, I'm not greek, but I'm happy.

I was once like you are now, and I know that it's not easy,
To be calm when you've found nerfs going on.
But take your time, think a lot,
Why, think of everything you've got.
For you will still be here tomorrow, but cmp may not.

Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Kuujis on June 30, 2013, 01:21:32 pm
This was a bad decision IMO, given that the reasons stated would band at least a couple of times at least several other people... I'd say PMS, but afaik cmp is a guy... :rolleyes:

And the worst part is that backing away from it was made a "road not to be taken", because it would show weakness or something similar (sorry, english is not my native language, so I can't find the word which suits better). Although from my POV - this is a mistake and admitting it would not cause any harm, only vice versa - would bring back a community member, who is nuisance in some cases, but provides some seriously good shit on other occasions.

I'd say unban.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lannistark on June 30, 2013, 01:59:04 pm
My opinion towards the developers of the game, specially this cool individual who believes himself to be the latest fashion in smart comments, has lately shifted from this:

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To this:

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lars on June 30, 2013, 02:18:13 pm
I think you forgot to mention that no one else ever racked up that many permabans.


Ok, but still, Panos is permabanned for something he did on the forums, not in game, in the worst
case permamute him here, but let him play.
 
Getting permabanned for something you wrote on the forums is ridicolous,  it shouldn't matter what you may have done in the past, In-game actions are all that matters, you should be punished with a permaban only when you keep teamhitting/teamkilling(on purpose), glitching, leeching, or double respawning ( which is glitching imo).


I don't know which  kind of deal Panos  had with the admins this time, but if this deal implicated that Panos could be permabanned if he misbehaved on the forums, well,  i think this deal doesn't make sense,  you could have permabanned  his forum account in the first place, it would have made more sense than allowing him to come back at those conditions.

"Also, to clear up some concerns: banning people in-game for something they say on the forum is not something we do very often"

Forums and in-game "behaviour"/actions should be always considered as two completely different things, without exceptions.

 
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 02:31:58 pm

Ok, but still, Panos is permabanned for something he did on the forums, not in game, in the worst
case permamute him here, but let him play.
 
Getting permabanned for something you wrote on the forums is ridicolous,  it shouldn't matter what you may have done in the past, In-game actions are all that matters, you should be punished with a permaban only when you keep teamhitting/teamkilling(on purpose), glitching, leeching, or double respawning ( which is glitching imo).


I don't know which  kind of deal Panos  had with the admins this time, but if this deal implicated that Panos could be permabanned if he misbehaved on the forums, well,  i think this deal doesn't make sense,  you could have permabanned  his forum account in the first place, it would have made more sense than allowing him to come back at those conditions.

"Also, to clear up some concerns: banning people in-game for something they say on the forum is not something we do very often"

Forums and in-game "behaviour"/actions should be always considered as two completely different things, without exceptions.

This is bullshit:
XYZ trolls on forum -> XYZ gets permabanned

This is not bullshit:
XYZ gets permabanned -> XYZ's permaban gets removed on condition that he behaves nice on the forum and in-game -> XYZ doesn't behave nice on the forum -> XYZ's ban gets restored

If you fail to see why those two cases are very different, again, that's not really my problem.

Yes, getting a permaban removed implies that you have to behave on forums as well. If you think that's unreasonable, I really don't understand what goes through your mind.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Smoothrich on June 30, 2013, 02:38:38 pm
Just like restaurant owners aren't forced to serve blacks or gays (thankfully), game developers aren't forced to serve raging Greek shitposters. It is a free mod after all with thousands(?) of manhours put into its development by unpaid staff.

There's plenty of other shitty f2p grinding games out there, like World of Tanks, or real life. Go play those instead
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: XyNox on June 30, 2013, 03:02:08 pm
Yes, getting a permaban removed implies that you have to behave on forums as well. If you think that's unreasonable, I really don't understand what goes through your mind.

Not that its my business but I think everyone in here understands this deal between you and Panos just fine, which is "this is your last chance, dont mess up again".

As I see it, the thing that many people dont understand ( me included ) is where that violation of terms is actually to be found. What Panos did was trashtalking, as in roleplaying, nothing more. Something that probably 90 % of all community members do on a regular basis, in game or on the forum. If it would have been an actual insult against the human being behind the computer screen ( which it simply wasn't as you cant insult someone as a "ranged my old friend" irl ?!? ), that'd be fine. I dont know what horrible things Panos has done in the past but I simply cant see how this incident qualifies as "not behaving on the forums". If you'd be consistent with that, a LOT of people would need to get permabanned right now.

I am quite certain that Panos isnt even aware that what he said was out of line. Understandably enough, since everyone else does it all the time. In my book it was just a misunderstanding and I am sure if you would unban Panos he would know better from now on. Again, not my business, I could be wrong because I dont know him personally but I would give him another chance and simply make sure this time what he is allowed to say and what is inappropriate. What is the worst that can possibly happen ??
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 03:37:31 pm
I see your point, but I disagree with it. I think when you get this kind of chance you should be held up to a much higher standard (especially when it's the second time).

In my book it was just a misunderstanding and I am sure if you would unban Panos he would know better from now on.

I would say that all evidence suggests otherwise.
Also, that's very easy to say because you don't have to deal with it when it happens. I wonder how many people would vouch for him if there were actual consequences.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Latvian on June 30, 2013, 04:14:53 pm
I see your point, but I disagree with it. I think when you get this kind of chance you should be held up to a much higher standard (especially when it's the second time).

I would say that all evidence suggests otherwise.
Also, that's very easy to say because you don't have to deal with it when it happens. I wonder how many people would vouch for him if there were actual consequences.
i would vouch, but if he would fail i would most likely find him and take away all german money.
Title: Re: New patch first thoughts
Post by: Algarn on June 30, 2013, 04:15:17 pm
 Panos is Panos ... He can act really stupidly , but we often forget he done goods things too ... Like explanation of graphics options of WSE2 , rewards for objectives , etc ...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 30, 2013, 04:34:10 pm
Also, that's very easy to say because you don't have to deal with it when it happens. I wonder how many people would vouch for him if there were actual consequences.
Would be fun I guess if he could get unbanned providing 3 people agreed to be permabanned if Panos got permad again. :D
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Butan on June 30, 2013, 05:10:30 pm
CMP and Panos had a man-to-man deal, Panos broke it, CMP banned Panos.

If the deal had been made "public" beforehand it wouldnt have looked as strange as it seemed then, there is also no witnesses (someone call the police!) of what the conditions were exactly, so there is much place for the imagination, and god knows our community has a lot;

All in all, a good drama story, would read again.



When you are an administrator and have responsabilities, you tend to become ruthless with others; the others then tend to become care bears about everything they think looks like an injustice;
Welcome to the internet!  :)
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on June 30, 2013, 06:12:27 pm
Okay, clutching ny straw now:

The point of telling people to behave is to not offend other people by misbehaving. Since Panos did not offend Xynox, it was no misbehaving, at least none of the sort where damage had been done.

That way he was close to crossing the border, but did not. Which means that a warning shot could be adequate, e.g. a temporary ban, forum mute, essay, whatever.

I guess it would be a nice compromise to settle this unpleasant matter now...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on June 30, 2013, 06:16:02 pm
I wonder how many people would vouch for him if there were actual consequences.

I'd vouch for him any day.

I would be willing to put my account up for permaban also if he fucks up again, I know that doesn't stand foe much and probably wont happen but I'd do that in a heartbeat,
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on June 30, 2013, 06:20:10 pm
More proof that this maybe the worst community ever in a game...

CMP i dont think you quailified for this job man maybe its time for a break...
Go out have some fun find a lady and party hard,your decision making is getting worst and worst...

A lot of people in here need to find a true life..

Πανο τα λέμε ελπίζω να χαίρεσαι με όλο το σκηνικό .Σ'αγαπω μην το ξεχασεις ποτε

Love and kisses to all





Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Jarold on June 30, 2013, 06:25:59 pm
More proof that this maybe the worst community ever in a game...

CMP i dont think you quailified for this job man maybe its time for a break...
Go out have some fun find a lady and party hard,your decision making is getting worst and worst...

A lot of people in here need to find a true life..

Πανο τα λέμε ελπίζω να χαίρεσαι με όλο το σκηνικό .Σ'αγαπω μην το ξεχασεις ποτε

Love and kisses to all

Mad Cuz Bad
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Thovex on June 30, 2013, 06:27:45 pm
More proof that this maybe the worst community ever in a game...

CMP i dont think you quailified for this job man maybe its time for a break...
Go out have some fun find a lady and party hard,your decision making is getting worst and worst...

A lot of people in here need to find a true life..

Πανο τα λέμε ελπίζω να χαίρεσαι με όλο το σκηνικό .Σ'αγαπω μην το ξεχασεις ποτε

Love and kisses to all

-> Posts on internet forum about people having to get a life

What are you doing here tard, I doubt you have even a slightest bit of life.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on June 30, 2013, 06:28:28 pm
Quote
My opinion towards the developers of the game, specially this cool individual who believes himself to be the latest fashion in smart comments, has lately shifted from this:



 (click to show/hide)



To this:



 (click to show/hide)

Lannister please take this thread more seriously. Stop trying to derail it with your shitposting.

A life is at stake.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: pingpong on June 30, 2013, 06:31:45 pm
I really dunno whats this big fuss about this, this a forum not 4chan.org, forum has moderators & rules to keep things civil, panos had screwed up once, he promised not to do it again, broke that promise and now look what its done to him, fool cmp once, you dunt get fool'd again.


Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Radament on June 30, 2013, 07:03:08 pm
CLICK (http://goo.gl/9JAeM)
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lars on June 30, 2013, 07:30:41 pm
I'd vouch for him any day.

I would be willing to put my account up for permaban also if he fucks up again, I know that doesn't stand foe much and probably wont happen but I'd do that in a heartbeat,


I'd vouch for him too, if he fucks up, give my stuff to new players.










Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Christo on June 30, 2013, 07:35:47 pm
CMP i dont think you quailified for this job man maybe its time for a break...

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 07:38:40 pm
More proof that this maybe the worst community ever in a game...

Then help us improve it.. you know what you have to do.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Leshma on June 30, 2013, 07:43:59 pm
Count me in as third. I come from a place where people regularly fuck up and are forgiven every damn time, because we are that (fucked up) kind of people. It's all about mentality. And not just that, I don't believe that relations between people should be done in such (rigid) manner. Relations between humans need to be flexible, if we weren't like that we wouldn't talk to each other because of all the bad things we did in the past.

I'm not like Panos, but I like his irrational side. That makes him different. I'm willing to accept him like that. Passion he has shown for this community, even if negative at times means more to me than this account and everything that goes with it. I'll gladly sacrifice it any day for some "flawed" dude like Panos, even if that makes me completely irrational person.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 30, 2013, 07:57:59 pm
Count me in as third. I come from a place where people regularly fuck up and are forgiven every damn time, because we are that (fucked up) kind of people. It's all about mentality. And not just that, I don't believe that relations between people should be done in such (rigid) manner. Relations between humans need to be flexible, if we weren't like that we wouldn't talk to each other because of all the bad things we did in the past.

I'm not like Panos, but I like his irrational side. That makes him different. I'm willing to accept him like that. Passion he has shown for this community, even if negative at times means more to me than this account and everything that goes with it. I'll gladly sacrifice it any day for some "flawed" dude like Panos, even if that makes me completely irrational person.

No offense but you dont play so losing your account isn't really a loss :P
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Algarn on June 30, 2013, 08:11:50 pm
Then help us improve it.. you know what you have to do.

Would like to see Ras Frenzyyy as dev ...  :lol:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Gnjus on June 30, 2013, 08:14:20 pm
Count me in as third. I come from a place where people regularly fuck up and are forgiven every damn time, because we are that (fucked up) kind of people. It's all about mentality. And not just that, I don't believe that relations between people should be done in such (rigid) manner. Relations between humans need to be flexible, if we weren't like that we wouldn't talk to each other because of all the bad things we did in the past.

I'm not like Panos, but I like his irrational side. That makes him different. I'm willing to accept him like that. Passion he has shown for this community, even if negative at times means more to me than this account and everything that goes with it. I'll gladly sacrifice it any day for some "flawed" dude like Panos, even if that makes me completely irrational person.


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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Kafein on June 30, 2013, 08:29:35 pm
I like Panos (especially the late Panos) and I don't like the fact that he was banned. That has nothing to do with the reasons he was banned. I believe that's what Leshma forgot to say, and in any case that's what I think.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lars on June 30, 2013, 08:34:47 pm
Count me in as third. I come from a place where people regularly fuck up and are forgiven every damn time, because we are that (fucked up) kind of people. It's all about mentality. And not just that, I don't believe that relations between people should be done in such (rigid) manner. Relations between humans need to be flexible, if we weren't like that we wouldn't talk to each other because of all the bad things we did in the past.

I'm not like Panos, but I like his irrational side. That makes him different. I'm willing to accept him like that. Passion he has shown for this community, even if negative at times means more to me than this account and everything that goes with it. I'll gladly sacrifice it any day for some "flawed" dude like Panos, even if that makes me completely irrational person.


You completely missed the point, this is not something about humans relations, forgiveness  or mentality,if Panos was a scammer or one of the cheaters/glitchers (fuckers) that left the server to avoid  the upkeep cost( when it was possible to avoid the upkeep), i would not be here asking to remove his in-game ban.
What is not right imo it's getting permabanned in-game because you did  something wrong/broke some rules on the forums.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Matey on June 30, 2013, 08:44:53 pm
If we are all misunderstanding the reason he was banned... then how about we start getting reasons when members of the community are permanently removed. The same happened to badplayer recently; granted he has a far worse reputation but he was permabanned and when someone asked why... the thread got locked down and cmp said it wasnt something that would be discussed publicly.
Every ban should be public. If someone really did something so awful as to be permaban then I think posting what they did would reduce the number of people standing up for them and it would drastically reduce the number of people who think cmp gets off on banning people he doesnt like.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 08:51:37 pm
If we are all misunderstanding the reason he was banned... then how about we start getting reasons when members of the community are permanently removed. The same happened to badplayer recently; granted he has a far worse reputation but he was permabanned and when someone asked why... the thread got locked down and cmp said it wasnt something that would be discussed publicly.

badplayer has been permabanned by Meow a year ago for griefing with RL pics and stuff like that. The thread you mention was created after yet another of his multiaccounts was discovered and banned.
Please get your facts straight next time.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Matey on June 30, 2013, 08:55:01 pm
badplayer has been permabanned by Meow a year ago for griefing with RL pics and stuff like that. The thread you mention was created after yet another of his multiaccounts was discovered and banned.
Please get your facts straight next time.

Thing is... you never said that. you just locked the thread and said it wouldn't be discussed. If you had just said that then people would have known and not worried about it.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 09:00:36 pm
It's not my problem if people worry about stuff that doesn't concern them. Also, it might be wise to just ask before making unfounded accusations.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on June 30, 2013, 09:07:21 pm
-> Posts on internet forum about people having to get a life

What are you doing here tard, I doubt you have even a slightest bit of life.


So you are insulting me because i suggest that some people are addicted-tired resulting to poor decision making?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Matey on June 30, 2013, 09:07:55 pm
It's not my problem if people worry about stuff that doesn't concern them. Also, it might be wise to just ask before making unfounded accusations.

I didn't make any accusations, I just said that your resistance to openness is likely to be interpreted poorly by many. It would be far better for the community if you could just give an honest answer when someone asks "why was this person banned?"
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Tibe on June 30, 2013, 09:12:48 pm

So you are insulting me because i suggest that some people are addicted-tired resulting to poor decision making?
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on June 30, 2013, 09:16:20 pm
Then help us improve it.. you know what you have to do.

This game means more to you than to me..

For me is just a game

For you is even more than that...

Take a break cmp i really believe you  need it

Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Macropus on June 30, 2013, 09:17:27 pm
I feel a bit awkward about this thread now.
It was supposed to be a "Remember Panos and stuff" thread, not "cmp is wrong" thread.
Many people around here (including me) will for sure miss Panos, but cmp's decision was clear and legit imo.
Some people should read why exactly Panos got banned before making accusations.


Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on June 30, 2013, 09:21:15 pm
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So your answer is more insults?
Dont you have any argument to make about how maybe some people are tired or addicted resulting to bad decision making?


Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on June 30, 2013, 09:23:58 pm
I feel a bit awkward about this thread now.
It was supposed to be a "Remember Panos and stuff" thread, not "cmp is wrong" thread.
Many people around here (including me) will for sure miss Panos, but cmp's decision was clear and legit imo.
Some people should read why exactly Panos got banned before making accusations.

You are right, and I think most people agree with you that the ban was legit.

We can still try to convince cmp to put mercy before justice, especially since I think that cmp is actually inclined to forgive Panos. But I tink we can do very little, because it's only Panos, who can get Panos free...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: darmaster on June 30, 2013, 09:26:38 pm
Okay, clutching ny straw now:

The point of telling people to behave is to not offend other people by misbehaving. Since Panos did not offend Xynox, it was no misbehaving, at least none of the sort where damage had been done.

That way he was close to crossing the border, but did not. Which means that a warning shot could be adequate, e.g. a temporary ban, forum mute, essay, whatever.

I guess it would be a nice compromise to settle this unpleasant matter now...

This
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 09:27:39 pm
I didn't make any accusations, I just said that your resistance to openness is likely to be interpreted poorly by many. It would be far better for the community if you could just give an honest answer when someone asks "why was this person banned?"

The thing is, nobody asked "why was this person banned?". badplayer pretended to, but he knew the answer already and he was just trying to troll.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Tibe on June 30, 2013, 09:28:33 pm
So your answer is more insults?
Dont you have any argument to make about how maybe some people are tired or addicted resulting to bad decision making?

I do infact. My argument is simply that nobody would do it significantly better than CMP. Im not implying that cmp does flawless decisions, but rather than mostly nobody in this community is capable of doing his job better than he is at the current state. And taking someone outside of this community and dragging him to the decisionmaking department would backfire.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Gristle on June 30, 2013, 09:28:57 pm
Please get your facts straight next time.

Please actually present the facts next time. That's the point he's making. There was no information given about Badplayer. This was an attempt to get the facts.

The thing is, nobody asked "why was this person banned?". badplayer pretended to, but he knew the answer already and he was just trying to troll.

Thread was locked before we could. Locking it so soon seemed to suggest, at least to me, "don't bring this up again."
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Matey on June 30, 2013, 09:29:03 pm
So why is Panos banned? Cause he shit talked a ranged player? You'd have to ban 95% of crpg if shit talking ranged was against the rules.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 09:33:20 pm
Thread was locked before we could. Locking it so soon seemed to suggest, at least to me, "don't bring this up again."

Huh, I didn't know that troll threads are supposed to stay open until the entire forum population has had the chance to ask what was going on. But I suppose you have a point, since there is no other way you could have contacted me. Right?

So why is Panos banned? Cause he shit talked a ranged player? You'd have to ban 95% of crpg if shit talking ranged was against the rules.

Read the thread, it's stated quite clearly a few pages ago.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Idzo on June 30, 2013, 09:40:04 pm
Never go full retard... Never...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 30, 2013, 09:46:02 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Matey on June 30, 2013, 09:46:23 pm
Huh, I didn't know that troll threads are supposed to stay open until the entire forum population has had the chance to ask what was going on. But I suppose you have a point, since there is no other way you could have contacted me. Right?

Read the thread, it's stated quite clearly a few pages ago.

I read all your posts in this thread. There really is no clear answer. The best I can get is "He insulted someone on the forums and since he has a ban history we permad him". If that is the case then... well that is ridiculous. Have you ever poked your head into the diplomacy section of the forums? People insult each other all the damn time and in far more serious and offensive ways than Panos calling someone a range my old friend. Also, the people who shit talk in diplomacy frequently get forum mutes, not ingame bans. If they are abusive in game then they might see some actual bans but it takes a lot of effort to get ban for being an asshole in game... just ask spookisland.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Idzo on June 30, 2013, 09:50:45 pm


At least do something to that fella - kinda bit of a piss take if he can get away with it with nothing shy of a mute


He is not Panos, only Panos gets permabaned for this... even thou 20% of community is like 3 times worse than him...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 09:54:27 pm
I read all your posts in this thread. There really is no clear answer. The best I can get is "He insulted someone on the forums and since he has a ban history we permad him". If that is the case then... well that is ridiculous. Have you ever poked your head into the diplomacy section of the forums? People insult each other all the damn time and in far more serious and offensive ways than Panos calling someone a range my old friend. Also, the people who shit talk in diplomacy frequently get forum mutes, not ingame bans. If they are abusive in game then they might see some actual bans but it takes a lot of effort to get ban for being an asshole in game... just ask spookisland.

What can I say, you are very bad at reading...
http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/panos-permabanned-again/msg814984/#msg814984
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Matey on June 30, 2013, 09:58:28 pm
What can I say, you are very bad at reading...
http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/panos-permabanned-again/msg814984/#msg814984

So he was mean in IRC and got ban from forums and crpg? I guess I would have to see what he said in IRC, but going by his actions on the forums lately he is pretty much a saint and generally awesome contributor to the well-being of the community compared to just about anyone else. Mayhaps you shoulda just ban him from IRC and let him continue his good works on the forums.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 09:59:51 pm
??? :lol:

Edit: I'm trying to understand if I put up a wrong link, because there's no way you could have misunderstood my post that badly.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Matey on June 30, 2013, 10:02:44 pm
??? :lol:

Edit: I'm trying to understand if I put up a wrong link, because there's no way you could have misunderstood my post that badly.

You basically said he was on parole cause he was ban in the past. in response to someone asking what he did wrong this time you said you couldnt be assed to get the irc logs to show what he did wrong. therefore, he was an ass on IRC so you ban him again.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 10:03:24 pm
Oh, it looks like you didn't read the quoted posts. We were talking about his previous bans.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 30, 2013, 10:06:54 pm
So he was mean in IRC and got ban from forums and crpg? I guess I would have to see what he said in IRC, but going by his actions on the forums lately he is pretty much a saint and generally awesome contributor to the well-being of the community compared to just about anyone else. Mayhaps you shoulda just ban him from IRC and let him continue his good works on the forums.
Still doesn't get it...  :cry:
Take a break cmp i really believe you  need it
cmp doesn't even play cRPG anymore, so gg on being retarded.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Matey on June 30, 2013, 10:07:21 pm
Oh, it looks like you didn't read the quoted posts. We were talking about his previous bans.

Except that I did and you responded to the quoted messages as I already talked about.

Would it be so hard to just say why you banned him? straight up without any BS or misdirection or trollyness? Just a "Panos has a long history and his recent actions doing "______" resulted in me restoring his permaban"
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: n1emys on June 30, 2013, 10:08:10 pm
well done. panos are pimpl on ass in crpg community
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 10:12:07 pm
Except that I did and you responded to the quoted messages as I already talked about.

Would it be so hard to just say why you banned him? straight up without any BS or misdirection or trollyness? Just a "Panos has a long history and his recent actions doing "______" resulted in me restoring his permaban"

No, it wouldn't be hard. In fact I said exactly that in several posts already (including the one I just linked)..
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 30, 2013, 10:12:30 pm
Would it be so hard to just say why you banned him? straight up without any BS or misdirection or trollyness? Just a "Panos has a long history and his recent actions doing "______" resulted in me restoring his permaban"
Cmp and Panos had come to an agreement were if he acted like shit on the forum or ingame he'd be permabanned, that post made Cmp look at Panos posting history of the last week, Cmp banned him for acting like shit on the forum, is it that fucking hard to understand?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Matey on June 30, 2013, 10:14:05 pm
I checked his last posts... mostly its just trolling like everyone else.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 30, 2013, 10:19:43 pm
This thread should have a poll

Should Panos get Unbanned: Yes or No

And if the majority vote yes, he should be allowed back
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 30, 2013, 10:20:17 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: zottlmarsch on June 30, 2013, 10:21:27 pm
Democracy? Ha

You're Right, what the hell was I thinking!!!  :lol:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Swaggart on June 30, 2013, 10:22:14 pm
At least do something to that fella - kinda bit of a piss take if he can get away with it with nothing shy of a mute

Seriously? Did that really offend you? Words from the internet?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 30, 2013, 10:24:14 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Swaggart on June 30, 2013, 10:25:49 pm
Because as cmp said, that wasn't the sole reason for the ban.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 30, 2013, 10:28:23 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 10:31:27 pm
otherwise it's having one rule for one and another for others.

Well, that's actually the case. Players with permabans in their history being held up to higher standards and all that stuff...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 30, 2013, 10:34:39 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Radament on June 30, 2013, 10:35:03 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on June 30, 2013, 10:35:52 pm
This is such a small community that admins have different special deals and rules for certain individuals, this is the biggest problem, same with server rules, ban request rules etc. nothing is written down and people are free to interpret rules in their own way.

Just hope this trend will change with the new game and the rules and regulations both ingame and in forums will be clear and written down for all to see so we will have no "unfair", "unclear" bans and decisions.

Get a community manager asap pl0x!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: cmp on June 30, 2013, 10:37:23 pm
Even so to new players who do not know Panos' history it comes across as a bit 'iffy'. If i was a new player i wouldn't feel safe in playing knowing if i copied a player saying one thing and he got away with it would i? Thus leading to me not playing it. Steam summer sales will be up soon (i believe they're in July) and i would really enjoy bigger servers again but seeing shit like this....i dunno.

There is a solution to that: don't give permabanned players a second (third) chance and leave them permabanned. Would you like it?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 30, 2013, 10:39:21 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Crob28 on June 30, 2013, 10:45:35 pm
Hell there's a thread currently in the ban section showing far worse shit than this for a one day ban.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on June 30, 2013, 10:51:20 pm
I do infact. My argument is simply that nobody would do it significantly better than CMP. Im not implying that cmp does flawless decisions, but rather than mostly nobody in this community is capable of doing his job better than he is at the current state. And taking someone outside of this community and dragging him to the decisionmaking department would backfire.

Come on dude you kiss his ass to much..
Take a break..
Do you feel nice kissing the ass of the power??
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on June 30, 2013, 10:54:29 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Corwin on June 30, 2013, 11:53:24 pm
I'd vouch for him any day.

I would be willing to put my account up for permaban also if he fucks up again, I know that doesn't stand foe much and probably wont happen but I'd do that in a heartbeat,

Me too.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Harpag on July 01, 2013, 12:09:14 am
Anyone who peeks at diplomacy thread probably noticed that lately I do not refer to Panos otherwise as "Banos you moron", but you have to believe me that I am really sad that one of the most colorful characters of our community, once again earned ban. I perceive him in matter of fact, as a good boy, but just a bit too impulsive troll  :wink:

Recommendation for new players:
Offensive words from forum/ game chat, treat as seriously, as you treat seriously, hits given in game!

Proposal for devs
Exchange of prisoners: instead Panos, ban Gnjus  :twisted: A much greater benefit for you  :)

Message to Panos:
Permabanos you moron, can you be so kind and finally learn how to shut up when you should shut up? Do something and go back! We miss you!

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Alexander_TheGreat_ on July 01, 2013, 03:21:09 am
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nah im just kidding, please FREE PANOS 2013, he is the retarded brother u have and hate, but u cant stop loving him.
Dont hate CMP, CMP is just the executer, in this story CMP being the executer, executing Penis :( You should hate the rulez, not CMP...God damit where is HRE_No_Rules_Just_Play when i need him
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Jarold on July 01, 2013, 04:33:45 am
Come on dude you kiss his ass to much..
Take a break..
Do you feel nice kissing the ass of the power??

At least he's not being a total dick head about it.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Tibe on July 01, 2013, 06:22:34 am
Come on dude you kiss his ass to much..
Take a break..
Do you feel nice kissing the ass of the power??
You definately went full retard now son.  :D That was litterally the first post ever I said anything even remotely good about cmp and that wasnt even the point. The point was that I couldnt think of anybody else in this community, who is qualified enough to make gamechanging decisions. Jokes on me for even trying to explain you something like a descent humanbeing......

And why would I kiss the ass of the power here? He(or even any other powerfigure here) has absolutely nothing to offer me, that I wanted. A couple of loompoints mybe, but thats never gonna happen is it. :rolleyes: I dont want to be in the devteam cause I know nothing about it, I dont want to be a gameadmin and banimmunity is not really something I needed. Thats about the ammount of power he has I think.

From now on I will communicate with you only through fartnoises and memes. Cause apparently you are in such trolloverload that you cant even make a clever trollpost, but rather go straight up full retardo.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Gnjus on July 01, 2013, 08:41:21 am
Proposal for devs
Exchange of prisoners: instead Panos, ban Gnjus  :twisted: A much greater benefit for you  :)

Dream on, scumbag. Maybe if you learned some proper English and somehow got yourself some extra IQ you could provoke me into going berserk like Panos and getting banned but until that happens you better shut your polished mug. I'd insult you properly but you do it much better on your own, simply by posting.  :wink:

Speaking of bans - how are your banned slaves doing these days ? Enjoying other games ?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Molly on July 01, 2013, 09:13:56 am
There were no slaves...


...it was like this:

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Just him and him alone.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Penguin on July 01, 2013, 09:17:41 am
May he rest in RIP.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lennu on July 01, 2013, 09:57:43 am
May he rest in RIP.

Now that doesn't make any sense at all  :lol:


But really? Perma ban Panos? Forum mute would have been okay, but banning him completely is a way too hard. He had a clan going on, donated loompoints to newbies, had organized an event. Overall he was a nice guy IMO.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Thovex on July 01, 2013, 10:00:53 am
Come on dude you kiss his ass to much..
Take a break..
Do you feel nice kissing the ass of the power??

Can this guy be muted already for a year?

Useless newmy old friends
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Strudog on July 01, 2013, 10:02:14 am
Dream on, scumbag. Maybe if you learned some proper English and somehow got yourself some extra IQ you could provoke me into going berserk like Panos and getting banned but until that happens you better shut your polished mug. I'd insult you properly but you do it much better on your own, simply by posting.  :wink:

Speaking of bans - how are your banned slaves doing these days ? Enjoying other games ?

They all got new CD Keys, they always have at least 10 for back up
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Harpag on July 01, 2013, 01:04:34 pm
Dream on, scumbag. Maybe if you learned some proper English and somehow got yourself some extra IQ you could provoke me into going berserk like Panos and getting banned but until that happens you better shut your polished mug. I'd insult you properly but you do it much better on your own, simply by posting.  :wink:

Speaking of bans - how are your banned slaves doing these days ? Enjoying other games ?

Hey, Gnjus, do you know that it means when man gets bald on the front of his head? It means that he thinks. Do you know that it means when man gets bald on the back of his head? It means  that he is good in bed. And do you know that it means when man gets bald on both front and back of his head? I am sure you do know that because it is your case. It means that he thinks that he is good in bed  :wink:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Gnjus on July 01, 2013, 01:55:05 pm
Hey, Gnjus, do you know that it means when man gets bald on the front of his head? It means that he thinks. Do you know that it means when man gets bald on the back of his head? It means  that he is good in bed. And do you know that it means when man gets bald on both front and back of his head? I am sure you do know that because it is your case. It means that he thinks that he is good in bed  :wink:


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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on July 01, 2013, 01:56:06 pm
Hey, Gnjus, do you know that it means when man gets bald on the front of his head? It means that he thinks. Do you know that it means when man gets bald on the back of his head? It means  that he is good in bed. And do you know that it means when man gets bald on both front and back of his head? I am sure you do know that because it is your case. It means that he thinks that he is good in bed  :wink:

That was terrible
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Kuujis on July 01, 2013, 02:26:46 pm
Also - don't derail.

Unban Panos ass.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Fartface on July 01, 2013, 03:35:30 pm
Hey, Gnjus, do you know that it means when man gets bald on the front of his head? It means that he thinks. Do you know that it means when man gets bald on the back of his head? It means  that he is good in bed. And do you know that it means when man gets bald on both front and back of his head? I am sure you do know that because it is your case. It means that he thinks that he is good in bed  :wink:
Pretty funny , but however not even close to being relevant.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on July 01, 2013, 03:59:22 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Tibe on July 01, 2013, 04:02:01 pm
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Why does future Panoses haircut look like Panoses moms haircut?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: El_Infante on July 01, 2013, 04:16:28 pm
Banning panos for that only show that there are a lot of butthurts inside developers/admins team. :D

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on July 01, 2013, 04:32:53 pm
Why does future Panoses haircut look like Panoses moms haircut?

Norman Bates syndrome.

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on July 01, 2013, 06:20:10 pm
Hey, Gnjus, do you know that it means when man gets bald on the front of his head? It means that he thinks. Do you know that it means when man gets bald on the back of his head? It means  that he is good in bed. And do you know that it means when man gets bald on both front and back of his head? I am sure you do know that because it is your case. It means that he thinks that he is good in bed  :wink:

So wack man... so wack
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Crob28 on July 01, 2013, 07:02:56 pm
Hey, Gnjus, do you know that it means when man gets bald on the front of his head? It means that he thinks. Do you know that it means when man gets bald on the back of his head? It means  that he is good in bed. And do you know that it means when man gets bald on both front and back of his head? I am sure you do know that because it is your case. It means that he thinks that he is good in bed  :wink:

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Agouri on July 01, 2013, 08:48:22 pm
There was a post on the first page that described the truth:

Quote
To be honest, I just find this whole business an inmense pile of bullshit. Panos is a normal person, yes, a normal guy - one that I respect just as any other. It's really depressing how expressing his opinions has gotten him banned on several, if not all, ocassions.

Some people here think they are forum heroes, kings of trolling and charming comedians or whatever. The truth is I don't find anything of this funny at all. You've all taken a liking to making fun of Panos, provoking him, and even banning him for nothing.

Tell you what, you guys aren't the new heroes, you are childish at best.

Seriously, he got permabanned for calling someone a "ranged my old friend"? What is this, Feminist Frequency? Grow a goddamn pair.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on July 02, 2013, 10:42:00 am
Is there any way one of us forum members can contact Panos? Does someone know a way/adress/anything?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Rhygar666 on July 02, 2013, 11:10:35 am
lol
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Harpag on July 02, 2013, 11:11:26 am
Is there any way one of us forum members can contact Panos? Does someone know a way/adress/anything?

Don't worry about contact with Panos, he is reading every word as a guest  :wink:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Joker86 on July 02, 2013, 11:14:04 am
Guess so, but I would still like to hear an answer from him.  :?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Fuma Kotaro on July 02, 2013, 11:33:50 am
panos gets permabanned for insulting and I get 50% for QQ insulting cmp...
why so much hate
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Spleen on July 02, 2013, 11:38:50 am
Unban him so he can pay the 50k for the Tournament.

Ban him again afterwards

Problem solved!

Thank you! I'll be here for the whole weekend...
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: [ptx] on July 02, 2013, 12:02:25 pm
cmpx answers pleas:
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: the real god emperor on July 03, 2013, 05:31:05 pm
Banning Panos again was a complete bullshit.

When you look at the community you will see retarded people deserves to get banned more than Panos ever, he may be a troll in the past but he was changed. Gameplay made him rage on forums but I am sure everyone bitched about how 2h lolstab is retarded and damage of the damn arrows.Also if even he insulted someone on forums no one would care about that, its the internet and we re in 2013.You guys even do not ban chocolate chip cookie Jokes, also giving a second chance to even that asshole called Hemmor. He made zillions of teamkills, abuse polls , racist comments . And if he deserved a second chance, Panos deserves a 4th chance. You can see me insulting him in the past but i changed, i found out how things works on internet.I learned how to counter Panos.In last few months he helped newbies, been good to Turks -even kapis- . He had a Greek love aura , but when it comes to the easy mode gameplay, he just cant hold himself. Just bring him back cmp, imo you wont regret it. FREE PANOS!

Sorry for the broken parts of my English.Love,

Kratos
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on July 03, 2013, 05:55:40 pm
Banning Panos again was a complete bullshit.

When you look at the community you will see retarded people deserves to get banned more than Panos ever, he may be a troll in the past but he was changed. Gameplay made him rage on forums but I am sure everyone bitched about how 2h lolstab is retarded and damage of the damn arrows.Also if even he insulted someone on forums no one would care about that, its the internet and we re in 2013.You guys even do not ban chocolate chip cookie Jokes, also giving a second chance to even that asshole called Hemmor. He made zillions of teamkills, abuse polls , racist comments . And if he deserved a second chance, Panos deserves a 4th chance. You can see me insulting him in the past but i changed, i found out how things works on internet.I learned how to counter Panos.In last few months he helped newbies, been good to Turks -even kapis- . He had a Greek love aura , but when it comes to the easy mode gameplay, he just cant hold himself. Just bring him back cmp, imo you wont regret it. FREE PANOS!

Sorry for the broken parts of my English.Love,

Kratos

Kratos and Panos on their honeymoon


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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: the real god emperor on July 03, 2013, 06:00:38 pm
disgusting.

Keep Panos banned.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Perverz on July 03, 2013, 08:04:50 pm
disgusting.

Keep Panos banned.

lol good joke....you  dont need to give him -
he is joking if you didnt noticed ffs  :evil:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Gnjus on July 03, 2013, 08:48:37 pm
Sorry for the broken parts of my English.Love,

Even your Turkish is broken, let alone your English.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: djavo on July 03, 2013, 09:02:54 pm
In the meantime huge riot in Egypt, more than half million of people want Panos unbanned
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Necrorave on July 03, 2013, 10:28:21 pm
I have nothing against Panos, but all he did was complain about things in a very narrow minded way.

I am all for giving people another chance, although apparently he has been given many.

Oh well

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on July 03, 2013, 11:06:27 pm
Free Panos 2013


Kairo, Egypt

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Istanbul, Turkey

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Zagreb, Croatia  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Perverz on July 03, 2013, 11:29:46 pm
prps did u really ned to add gay pride from our city  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on July 03, 2013, 11:38:43 pm
prps did u really ned to add gay pride from our city  :mrgreen:

butthurt much? ahahah yes i went there  :wink: :mrgreen:

I mean he is greek after all plus we loves the Zagreb parade!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Adalwulf on July 04, 2013, 05:47:58 am
LEAVE PANOS ALONE! FREE PANOS!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Sharpe on July 04, 2013, 06:05:23 am
I NEVER KNEW PANOS, BUT I DEMAND HIS FREEDOM! AS AN ARCHER I TOOK NO OFFENSE TO HIS FINAL COMMENT.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Kuujis on July 04, 2013, 11:29:05 am
LEAVE PANOS ALONE! FREE PANOS!

CMP - look at AnalAdalwulf eyes and ... just... how can you say no? :rolleyes:

P.S. MAN... that face creeps up on me every time I see it :shock:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lizard_man on July 04, 2013, 10:15:48 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Trikipum on July 04, 2013, 10:51:14 pm
 I cant believe this. Im not the biggest fan of panos.. but to tell you the truth there are way more guys deserving a permaban than panos. The server is full of team hitters, team killers and similar and nothing happens even when there is an admin. Saying that, this doesnt surprise me at all. I was once insulted and treated with a "BAN" from a developer for "delaying" ...Its funny since i wasnt even delaying. But some guys are like that .. they are "queens" of their kingdom, nothing we can do about it. In this case some lamer killed my horse in the side of the map and kept circling around me but avoiding contact... again, nothing I could make about it since he was on horseback, he actually was doing it with the intention of leaving me as a delayer.. then this developer surprised me with his "attitude".. was sad since he didnt really have idea about what really was going on, he just talked from his ass. Good luck panos.
Btw, What i dont get is how you ban he so easily but let everyone and their dog make jokes about "greece" and shit. I have seen then constantly in game chat in the last weeks i have been playing crpg again. I see half a dozen playing everyday and those deserve more a ban than him... yet i see them over and over.. makes you wonder.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Trikipum on July 04, 2013, 11:20:42 pm
This is such a small community that admins have different special deals and rules for certain individuals, this is the biggest problem, same with server rules, ban request rules etc. nothing is written down and people are free to interpret rules in their own way.

Just hope this trend will change with the new game and the rules and regulations both ingame and in forums will be clear and written down for all to see so we will have no "unfair", "unclear" bans and decisions.

Get a community manager asap pl0x!
This. Rules are diferent for each individual of this game. Its what i have gathered in 3 years playing this. Some guys just have no law in this game. I have seen it so many times.. A guy getting kicked/banned for stupid things while others (admin friends usually) just will do whatever they feel like. Many of those are the ones revenging team hitting.. which is the lamest thing ever, yet i have seen many players banned for it in all these years and others doing it at will... crpg classes you know.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: pepejul on July 05, 2013, 12:00:04 am
they all want PANOS FREE !!! (as i do)
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Agouri on July 05, 2013, 12:13:46 am
Unban panos and have a discussion with the headmin for keeping the banning admin or not. It's basic logic.

Worked for SS13, will work here.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Paul on July 05, 2013, 01:46:18 am
Cmp banned panos. After chadz moved to Elsweyr and espu to Elysium, cmp alone became the law or the "headmin" as you call it. I doubt that he will ban himself. Basic logic.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: polkafranzi on July 05, 2013, 01:53:42 am
Cmp banned panos. After chadz moved to Elsweyr and espu to Elysium, cmp alone became the law or the "headmin" as you call it. I doubt that he will ban himself. Basic logic.

Basic logic to not put the irrational in positions of power too.

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Radament on July 05, 2013, 02:25:23 am
Cmp banned panos. After chadz moved to Elsweyr and espu to Elysium, cmp alone became the law or the "headmin" as you call it. I doubt that he will ban himself. Basic logic.

wait ..wait wait , what are chadz and espu doing there?

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lars on July 05, 2013, 02:32:26 am
wait ..wait wait , what are chadz and espu doing there?

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I had to google SS13 and Elsweyr , you should have posted this earlier...  very inefficient Rada, your timing is horrible
 
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Radament on July 05, 2013, 02:40:22 am
... your timing is horrible

and your google is broken
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Post by: Lannistark on July 05, 2013, 11:59:59 am
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Panos roaming the streets crazily now looking for victims.
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Post by: RobertOfDrugsley on July 05, 2013, 01:29:33 pm
Panos isn't all bad ... doesn't rage report me just because I stab him in the ass by accident a few dozen times!

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Perverz on July 06, 2013, 08:32:18 am
butthurt much?


ye i eated chilly beans  :lol:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on July 06, 2013, 08:42:35 am

ye i eated chilly beans  :lol:

baš eated ili?  :mrgreen:

learn 2 engrish slav!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Molly on July 06, 2013, 09:02:15 am
Jebi se, Prips... kurvo jedna seljacka... mrs u picku materinu... jebem ti mater... idi u kurac...

/me keeps cursing in creamy croatian while slowing walking away from this thread.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: BeastSVK on July 06, 2013, 09:18:16 am
Panos behave nicely in last weeks. He even obey orders in strat battles whole battle he was doing what he was comand to !!!!! FREE HIM !!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Perverz on July 06, 2013, 10:27:03 am
baš eated ili?  :mrgreen:

learn 2 engrish slav!

i dont even try to learn it..... have some others things on my mind to do..... like how i will bang my wife when i come home, smoke a joint,drink a beer, play with daughter, eat some lamb,make some music.....
and you just learn it how much as you can cause u will need it. i have everything i want in my life...and you?  8-)

fuck i dont have it yet...need second car and Jomox XBase 888 drum synthesizer
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: gazda on July 06, 2013, 02:55:42 pm
WHat, who the hell is panos , where the fuck am i
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Post by: Gnjus on July 06, 2013, 05:35:02 pm
WHat, who the hell is panos , where the fuck am i

Back to your grave, abomination !
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on July 06, 2013, 05:48:17 pm
i dont even try to learn it..... have some others things on my mind to do..... like how i will bang my wife when i come home, smoke a joint,drink a beer, play with daughter, eat some lamb,make some music.....
and you just learn it how much as you can cause u will need it. i have everything i want in my life...and you?  8-)

fuck i dont have it yet...need second car and Jomox XBase 888 drum synthesizer


No, I still need to acquire a Japanese sex slave.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Perverz on July 06, 2013, 06:01:45 pm

No, I still need to acquire a Japanese sex slave.


blah...they sound like kids when have sex.... cant listen to that.... pick something else
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on July 06, 2013, 06:22:07 pm

blah...they sound like kids when have sex.... cant listen to that.... pick something else

so you believe everything u see in porn?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Latvian on July 06, 2013, 07:00:21 pm
so you believe everything u see in porn?
you mean porn is not based on real llife?

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Oberyn on July 06, 2013, 07:05:09 pm
He has a point, it's a cultural thing. Japanese men have a thing for women crying and being uncomfortable and in pain (or pretending to be) during sex, for some reason. When you fuck your gf, does she usually moan, scream, grunt or pant in pleasure? Omg, it's almost as if porn was tailored to provoke a sexual response by evoking stuff people find sexually pleasing. This happens to differ from culture to culture.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Perverz on July 06, 2013, 10:02:46 pm
He has a point, it's a cultural thing. Japanese men have a thing for women crying and being uncomfortable and in pain (or pretending to be) during sex, for some reason. When you fuck your gf, does she usually moan, scream, grunt or pant in pleasure? Omg, it's almost as if porn was tailored to provoke a sexual response by evoking stuff people find sexually pleasing. This happens to differ from culture to culture.

exactly

so you believe everything u see in porn?

dont tell me you didnt fuck japanese girl??

Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Algarn on July 06, 2013, 10:25:39 pm
Stop posting about sexuality, or Armpit Sweet and Vibe will come !!!  :wink:

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on July 07, 2013, 12:38:19 am
Yeaaaa! I'm back and there's still loads of drama over the forums! why did i even leave!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on July 07, 2013, 02:20:55 am
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on July 07, 2013, 03:04:17 am

dont tell me you didnt fuck japanese girl??

No, i fucked a Phillipino girl, that's the only asian I fucked, japanese or korean is still on my list.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Macropus on July 07, 2013, 07:10:53 am
Kaoklai is on minusing spree again btw...
[T]ake cover!
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Christo on July 07, 2013, 07:52:12 am
Kaoklai is on minusing spree again btw...
[T]ake cover!

news at 11
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Corwin on July 07, 2013, 08:41:25 am
Kaoklai is on minusing spree again btw...
[T]ake cover!

No wonder, the girl Prps was talking about is Kaoklai's sister.
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Perverz on July 07, 2013, 09:52:05 am
No, i fucked a Phillipino girl, that's the only asian I fucked, japanese or korean is still on my list.

are you sure she/he was she ?  :lol: :lol: :lol:


Kaoklai is on minusing spree again btw...
[T]ake cover!

lol who is that guy
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Macropus on July 07, 2013, 10:06:47 am
lol who is that guy
It's the guy who gave you 30 infamy of your 34.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on July 07, 2013, 11:07:32 am
... When you fuck your gf, does she usually moan, scream, grunt or pant in pleasure? Omg, it's almost as if porn was tailored to provoke a sexual response by evoking stuff people find sexually pleasing. This happens to differ from culture to culture.

All my wife's cavities make a champagne-bottle popping sound, and then she gurgles in pleasure

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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Prpavi on July 07, 2013, 11:42:03 am
are you sure she/he was she ?  :lol: :lol: :lol:


Does it matter   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Perverz on July 07, 2013, 01:24:44 pm
Does it matter   :mrgreen:


hihihihihi :D
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: dreadnok on July 07, 2013, 04:07:35 pm
You kids are creepy with your anime avatar nonsense
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Tonyukuk on July 07, 2013, 07:17:24 pm
Panos>Justice>Sex  wtf?
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Christo on July 08, 2013, 04:18:56 am
Hahaha Kaoklai,

You have no power here!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: Ramsus on August 04, 2013, 10:29:44 pm
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Title: Re: Panos permabanned again?
Post by: pepejul on August 05, 2013, 09:59:10 pm
Panos the penis is back ? hurray !