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Strategus => Strategus General Discussion => Topic started by: Vermilion on June 29, 2013, 02:33:17 pm

Title: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Vermilion on June 29, 2013, 02:33:17 pm
Don't know what the rest of the community thinks but I think these pie charts are a great way to see info about factions..

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Just shows how much more money, SD and troops EU has compared to NA lol

Also am I right in thinking that as Crusader Alliance has got 25% of the EU money (77 mil) from thats 19 milion silver :P I knew the big factions had far too much money but 19mil...


EDIT: FOR ARN
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Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Haboe on June 29, 2013, 02:38:25 pm
Lol at the difference in market size and garrison sizes xD


The silver says nearly nothing, since it only counts whats in the fiefs :)

And most factions don't want all their gold in the fiefs, they rather have it on players where it can't be looted by enemy's :P
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: ARN_ on June 29, 2013, 02:40:21 pm
I came here for the pie and got this :(
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Haboe on June 29, 2013, 02:41:20 pm
EDIT: nvm  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Vermilion on June 29, 2013, 02:49:08 pm
Still 19mil just as fief silver... that's so much.

Could understand it if they had just been sat around trading all day.. but they have been at war with DRZ.

800k troops sat in garrisons and 77mil just there because theres a garrison.. I demand more wars!!!
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Tomas on June 29, 2013, 03:00:23 pm
Pie charts need to take account of silver/troops on chars plus equipment to really be a useful picture of Strat.

Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Harald on June 29, 2013, 03:10:44 pm
Right now the charts show only public information which was already there anyway (just a bit cumbersome having to click through each fief). Not sure if showing all information about a faction would be a good or bad idea.
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Torben on June 29, 2013, 03:19:15 pm
ya tbh less information would be nice.  bluffing n all that is important imo
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Tomas on June 29, 2013, 03:31:36 pm
Right now the charts show only public information which was already there anyway (just a bit cumbersome having to click through each fief). Not sure if showing all information about a faction would be a good or bad idea.

Good point :)
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 29, 2013, 07:41:12 pm
Wow look at EU. Fuking turtles. NA truly admits to being more XP war like than EU, even if they have less total Market and gold.
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Malaclypse on June 29, 2013, 07:45:17 pm
EU and NA have both lost around the same amount of troops (NA @ closer to 900k million, EU @ closer to 1 million). NA side lost them in about half the attacks- our battles are bloodier, I guess.
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 29, 2013, 07:50:01 pm
EU and NA have both lost around the same amount of troops (NA @ closer to 900k million, EU @ closer to 1 million). NA side lost them in about half the attacks- our battles are bloodier, I guess.

HM, i would tend to disagree. I've been keep track, for the most part, of all NA battles and we've lost no more than 700k troops. Unless I'm misreading what you've said?
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Malaclypse on June 29, 2013, 07:59:26 pm
HM, i would tend to disagree. I've been keep track, for the most part, of all NA battles and we've lost no more than 700k troops. Unless I'm misreading what you've said?

Just going by the pie chart m8. Only thing I turned on was Region, says NA has lost 904'067 in total (Fimbul about 50k, Chaos about 44k, FCC about 155k, VE about 127k, Hosp about 95k, LCO about 87k, and the rest less on their own but more together.
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 29, 2013, 08:07:17 pm
Just going by the pie chart m8. Only thing I turned on was Region, says NA has lost 904'067 in total (Fimbul about 50k, Chaos about 44k, FCC about 155k, VE about 127k, Hosp about 95k, LCO about 87k, and the rest less on their own but more together.

Ok Yea I see now.
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EU has lost about the same as NA but in almost DOUBLE the amount of attacks.
NA also attacks more too. based on the lower stat of Amount of attacks.
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Vermilion on June 29, 2013, 08:14:18 pm
Right now the charts show only public information which was already there anyway (just a bit cumbersome having to click through each fief). Not sure if showing all information about a faction would be a good or bad idea.

I like that you can still keep things secret .. People keep pulling armies out of no where makes every attack a risk :)

The pie charts just do what a lot of people where trying to do on the forums.. but they just kept getting out of date.. with these it will always (presumably) be up to date.

Thanks for all the hard work that keeps going into improving this game!!!
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Matey on June 29, 2013, 11:31:56 pm
FCC has made the most attacks  8-)
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Casimir on June 29, 2013, 11:39:04 pm
LOOK AT LL THAT SILVER FOR ME TO SPEND!
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Vermilion on June 29, 2013, 11:53:09 pm
build mighty armies and destroy your foe... (and have ~100 people earn some sexy EXP)!!!  :twisted:
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Corsair831 on June 30, 2013, 02:45:00 am
these pie charts are absolutely awesome, thanks dev

and also, holy fucking shit western block is outnumbered

we've been winning battles against eastern at about 1.2kd but jesus that's just no where near enough lol, it's almost a 2 : 1 ratio
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Vermilion on June 30, 2013, 03:18:39 am
As haboe said the pie charts don't tell the whole story..

but they do give a good indication. The fact it shows the northern/eastern clans having the biggest garrisons, the most money and the most market control.. whilst these numbers may not be the complete numbers I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio was ~99.8% accurate
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Tomas on June 30, 2013, 05:38:57 pm
I would say that its almost certainly inaccurate :D.

1) Greys are on an offensive right now whilst the West is turtled up meaning Greys are more likely to have uncounted troops and gold
2) The UIF has recently made a transition to Plate armour meaning they potentially have more gold tied up in equipment than the West

As for market share what do you expect?  I don't think there's a single village under UIF control that hasn't at some point been taken by the Anti-UIF whereas most Western Fiefs have been firmly held the entire round.

Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Vermilion on June 30, 2013, 06:48:42 pm
I would say that its almost certainly inaccurate :D.

1) Greys are on an offensive right now whilst the West is turtled up meaning Greys are more likely to have uncounted troops and gold
2) The UIF has recently made a transition to Plate armour meaning they potentially have more gold tied up in equipment than the West

As for market share what do you expect?  I don't think there's a single village under UIF control that hasn't at some point been taken by the Anti-UIF whereas most Western Fiefs have been firmly held the entire round.

When did you ever see Apostates etc walking around with <500 troops? They have always had >1000 troops on each merc... So the fact that greys have >1000 troops on each player also just keeps the ratio the same..

As far as gold tied up in equipment... Both sides are using plate so once again this keeps the ratio correct..

And finally your market point just confirms that the ratio is correct
Title: Re: PIE CHARTS!!!!
Post by: Tomas on June 30, 2013, 09:02:45 pm
When did you ever see Apostates etc walking around with <500 troops? They have always had >1000 troops on each merc... So the fact that greys have >1000 troops on each player also just keeps the ratio the same..

Why on earth would you keep troops on every player?  Its a waste of money and if the player is slightly inactive it is troops that are tied up and unavailable for use.  However I agree that the average merc (or Anti-UIF) player probably has the same number of troops as the average UIF player.  My assumption comes from the fact that Greys had 40k troops in Suno fairly recently but currently that is only at 20k and their other garrisons have not gone up by that amount in the mean time.

As far as gold tied up in equipment... Both sides are using plate so once again this keeps the ratio correct..

I think I know what equipment we are using and we have still been using Black Coat of Plates with Gauntlets whilst the UIF armies attacking Hawaha and Jamiche started to use Gothic Plate and Plate Mittens.  They didn't use it exclusively but we didn't use it at all and since The Coalition represents a lot of the anti-UIFs gold I can tell you that there would definitely be a lot less of it in our fiefs if we had been buying Gothic Plate.

And finally your market point just confirms that the ratio is correct

Druzhina fiefs currently owned by the Anti-UIF were only recently taken over meaning their market share is allocated to the Anti-UIF.  Does this suddenly mean that all trading done in the past from these fiefs by the UIF never happened?  Market share is only an indication of what is happening now and on its own tells you absolutely nothing about what might have happened in the past.

Basically i'm saying that it is impossible to determine an accurate ratio of power from the data available on its own.  I can however surmise that the ratio on show is weighted in favour of the Anti-UIF at this time, due to the 3 things I have mentioned.  To say how much it is in our favour would be pure guess work.