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Title: Three parent babies?
Post by: Osiris on June 28, 2013, 09:55:14 pm
http://news.sky.com/story/1109022/worlds-first-three-parent-baby-may-be-british

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What do you guys think? It reminds me of Gattaca :-D
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on June 28, 2013, 10:07:43 pm
Jesus seems to be upset:

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Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: Leesin on June 28, 2013, 10:21:08 pm
Fuck Jesus we are Great Britain, hard as fuck, best empire ever, creators of the USA and the world speaks our language. FUCK YEAH we fucking rock. Science n shit bitches.
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 29, 2013, 12:18:29 am
Odds are I'll get Parkinson when I get older, personally I'm greatly in favor of enabling people to work towards superhuman genes and killing diseases like Parkinson, I'm however also very vocally against any form ofeventual forced sterilization or abortion "for the greater good of the human race".
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: B3RS3RK on June 29, 2013, 03:57:43 pm
Odds are I'll get Parkinson when I get older, personally I'm greatly in favor of enabling people to work towards superhuman genes and killing diseases like Parkinson, I'm however also very vocally against any form ofeventual forced sterilization or abortion "for the greater good of the human race".

Exactly my Opinion.

I also dont get what the fuss is all about when there is talk about "Designer-Babys".What´s wrong with that?If you dont kill existing fetus for it, everythings fine.

200 years from now, if we manage to manipulate our own genes, everybody will be beautiful, smart and strong without any diseases.

Also, it´s the ultimate darwinism: What species is better in adaption than the one that can manipulate their own genes?

It´s perfect.
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: Oberyn on June 29, 2013, 04:39:28 pm
Maybe you should watch the movie referenced in the OP. Sure, it's a bit cheesy and campy, but it deals with some pretty important themes relating to this issue...
Who do you think would have access to this technology before anyone else? Maybe...the wealthy? So basically you would start creating an actual biological division between the elites and everyone else. Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with an elite of genetically engineered superhumans ruling over and condescendingly looking down on an inferior majority. It wouldn't even be a matter of opinion or debate, they would have confirmation that they are, quite literally, biologically superior. It would lead to a more "accurate" and focused type of racism (DNA'ism? I dunno), completely supported by scientific fact.  Forced abortion and sterilization would be the least of the problems created, but obvious stepping stones to a real "final solution".  See where I'm going with this?

Not to mention, darwinism and evolution has absolutely nothing to do with making an organism "better", as far as what WE consider to be better. It's a mechanism that leads to organisms addapting to their environment, nothing more. Beauty, strength, being tall, being fit, being smart, those are human ideas of what is "superior".
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: Overdriven on June 29, 2013, 04:58:42 pm
It depends what for. I'm all for people removing genes that can cause parkinson's, or breast cancer and other such diseases. But limits are a good thing. Apart from anything variation is good for the human race. If everyone in however many years ended up looking remarkably similar, with very similar genes which are supposed to hold off disease, eventually some unknown disease will go 'FUCK YOU' and wipe out half the population because there won't be the variation of immune systems and the like. The same reason why lack of crop diversity is a bad thing. Some crops are better at withstanding certain diseases. However if we all have one genetically engineered crop type, it only takes one disease to wipe out the whole lot.

But then I know jack shit about science so bleh  :D
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: Oberyn on June 29, 2013, 05:16:13 pm
It depends what for. I'm all for people removing genes that can cause parkinson's, or breast cancer and other such diseases. But limits are a good thing. Apart from anything variation is good for the human race. If everyone in however many years ended up looking remarkably similar, with very similar genes which are supposed to hold off disease, eventually some unknown disease will go 'FUCK YOU' and wipe out half the population because there won't be the variation of immune systems and the like. The same reason why lack of crop diversity is a bad thing. Some crops are better at withstanding certain diseases. However if we all have one genetically engineered crop type, it only takes one disease to wipe out the whole lot.

But then I know jack shit about science so bleh  :D

I completely agree, that's pretty much what i was getting at with the whole "evolution isn't just about subjectively "superior" traits". The more genetic diversity, the better the likelyhood of genetic mutations. Are most of them detrimental and negative? Yeah. Except for that odd one now and then that means at least one lineage is particularly resistant to a disease, or has a more efficient metabolism, or etc...
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: [ptx] on June 29, 2013, 05:26:32 pm
Yeah, you definitely got a point, Oberyn, but even so, transhumanism seems like an inevitable result of advances in biology. I don't see how it is a matter of "should it happen or not", because, sooner or later, it will happen and with worse results, if efforts are made to limit/prohibit it.

A healthier train of thought, imo, would be to look for solutions to prevent a "Gattaca"-like scenario - ways to ensure that such technologies become more or less commonly available - just like vaccines, education and basic healthcare.
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: Oberyn on June 29, 2013, 06:15:09 pm
On the scale of the entire world, what makes you think vaccines, education and basic healthcare is "more or less common" or equally distributed along all sections of society, regardless of wealth? Maybe if you restrict it entirely to "first world" countries, and even then you have to be very generous with the concept of "common" and "available". Restricting or prohibiting research and development of the tech is not doable of course. I'm just an eternal pessimist/cynic/realist (take your pick depending on your own philosophy), so I expect the worse. It happens all too often.
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: [ptx] on June 29, 2013, 06:47:23 pm
Vaccines are common enough to actually eliminate particular diseases. Education and basic healthcare are a bit different matter, but it's not that grim a situation anywhere but in actual third world countries, ravaged by wars and other conflicts.
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: Kafein on June 29, 2013, 07:08:44 pm
Transhumanism and biological research in general is a very tough ethical subject, even if it's not that technically complicated. So tough I personally often avoid it because I don't feel i have anything intelligent to say. But I wouldn't expect the first "enhancements" to be revolutionary enough to cause a real split in the population, not much more than current medicine does anyway. I'm not really sure about the feasibility of engineering your genes in a way that makes you more intelligent or stronger. Protecting you against diseases with a high correlation to your genes is already done and we don't seem to have a problem with that.
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: B3RS3RK on June 29, 2013, 08:07:15 pm
Maybe you should watch the movie referenced in the OP. Sure, it's a bit cheesy and campy, but it deals with some pretty important themes relating to this issue...
Who do you think would have access to this technology before anyone else? Maybe...the wealthy? So basically you would start creating an actual biological division between the elites and everyone else. Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with an elite of genetically engineered superhumans ruling over and condescendingly looking down on an inferior majority. It wouldn't even be a matter of opinion or debate, they would have confirmation that they are, quite literally, biologically superior. It would lead to a more "accurate" and focused type of racism (DNA'ism? I dunno), completely supported by scientific fact.  Forced abortion and sterilization would be the least of the problems created, but obvious stepping stones to a real "final solution".  See where I'm going with this?

I do get where you are going wit this, but Im not seeing it that pessimistic - I´d wager, before DNA altering and human-enhancing technology will become common and/or socially accepted, most of the problems you described will have vanished.I have the faith in humanity that in the next few hundred years we will continue to solve problems and grow closer and closer to each other - maybe even to the extent of a Global earth league with united goals.I think until then most 3rd world countries will have reached a far better state than now(India and other asian countrys are already on their way), allowing the spread of such technology.

It is also probable that instead of instantly creating genetically engineered superhumans, things will start with parent-chosen eye- or haircolor and some other minor features over a few decades and slowly rise to a level where actual performance will be increased - by which time genetical engineering will be so common that most people will either be born engineered already or are having access to it.


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Not to mention, darwinism and evolution has absolutely nothing to do with making an organism "better", as far as what WE consider to be better. It's a mechanism that leads to organisms addapting to their environment, nothing more. Beauty, strength, being tall, being fit, being smart, those are human ideas of what is "superior".

Darwinism is about the survival of the most adapted to their environment - and who, tell me, can adapt better to their environment than a species that can alter it´s own DNA?


Transhumanism is the future.Imagine how immensely powerful the human race can become if we are able to freely alter our DNA?Talking about a colony on mars?Better talk about terraforming and colonies on all the planets!
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: Rumblood on June 30, 2013, 11:56:49 am
Hey, these bodies ain't some Software as a Service model, last I checked, I own mine. Since the Supreme Court ruled that nobody can patent the human DNA, this really becomes a really tricky area for these companies. If you make something unique enough to put a patent on it to monetize it, it loses its humanity and its value (until its value peaks again and we have one of our series of rulings on The Rights of Beings).
All this article is really talking about is a bit of pregestation DNA slicing. But it is an important legal first step.

The real interesting part will be when Evolution, who has been laboring along for billions of years and had little more than a muddy pond and some flippers to work with over the last million, gets to put to use this magnificent tool it has spent so much time constructing. Now we get to see the Brain at work in the assembly line. It will be able to make direct manipulations to the gene code a bit more direct than rubbing a teenagers crotch and see what creative things he will do with it. What will be really fun to see is what 2 distinct branches of this DNA strand will each do off on their own. For that is the truly scary part to us all, the shadow waiting to fall over us; is that we will no longer be human. How will we react to ourselves?
Title: Re: Three parent babies?
Post by: djavo on June 30, 2013, 01:25:07 pm
Time has come...
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