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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 22, 2013, 01:12:00 pm

Title: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 22, 2013, 01:12:00 pm
And for the second time in a matter of a few days, FCC or one of their vassals has attacked us in the field between the hours of 3:00 AM and 7:00 AM for an awful battle time. Isn't is so fantastic that they make a point of always doing things for fun and fairness and have such a powerful ethic for never attacking at times when people can't play?

Anyway, anyone who comes to defend our trader will be paid personally by Sandy and I.

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=4134

Oh, and feel free to use this thread as the new FCC war shitposting thread since the other one got locked.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 22, 2013, 02:02:48 pm
I would have preferred it if the tits and ass alliance has been overtly hostile to us when we attacked the RoR fellow that wandered into our lands instead of practically begging for us to mercifully cease hostilities and let them through. I let the whole lot through and now they attack us at nearly 7 in the goddamn morning.

I regret not giving each and every one of those formerly purple dots a nice long dirt-nap.

I'd like to request that you guys stop this shit, and fight us at reasonable hours. I'm aware that RoR_Thumper more than likely hit the "attack" button and went to sleep, but even so, please be aware of when your attacks will take place. We won't attack after 3am (and we'll try to keep our attacks well before that time) regardless of what you do. Please, show us some sportsmanship and refrain from this wanton display of jackassery again.


Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Saxton on June 22, 2013, 03:06:57 pm
We all know that FCC is sucking the fun out of this strategus...all the NA forums are full of shit-posting threats, and we are all right to do this.

Why hasen't FCC gotten the message already?

Oh right

Kesh
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Keshian on June 22, 2013, 03:14:21 pm
And for the second time in a matter of a few days, FCC or one of their vassals has attacked us in the field between the hours of 3:00 AM and 7:00 AM for an awful battle time. Isn't is so fantastic that they make a point of always doing things for fun and fairness and have such a powerful ethic for never attacking at times when people can't play?

Anyway, anyone who comes to defend our trader will be paid personally by Sandy and I.

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=4134

Oh, and feel free to use this thread as the new FCC war shitposting thread since the other one got locked.


Hahahahaha.  You attacked them at 3:30 am and now you whine because they attack you at 7 am.  "The hypocrisy is strong in this one."  Keep saying everyone who ever attacks you is an fcc vassal so you can play the pity card - ignore the fact most people think you are an egotistical idiot that no one but himself thinks hes funny and are probably glad to attack you, protect your ego I guess and ignore that frisians have been making themselves look worse than me on the forums with their posts.  Frisians = clan of trolls and mouth breathers.




We all know that FCC is sucking the fun out of this strategus...all the NA forums are full of shit-posting threats, and we are all right to do this.

Why hasen't FCC gotten the message already?

Oh right

Kesh

Who are you?  Do you even play this game?

Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Canary on June 22, 2013, 03:39:17 pm
Hahahahaha.  You attacked them at 3:30 am and now you whine because they attack you at 7 am.  "The hypocrisy is strong in this one."  Keep saying everyone who ever attacks you is an fcc vassal so you can play the pity card - ignore the fact most people think you are an egotistical idiot that no one but himself thinks hes funny and are probably glad to attack you, protect your ego I guess and ignore that frisians have been making themselves look worse than me on the forums with their posts.  Frisians = clan of trolls and mouth breathers.

Meanwhile everyone is perfectly aware of how much of a horrible person you are, and yet you still remind us every time you post.

Is your own ego so large that you must try and tear down that of another just to satisfy your animosity towards this community?

I'm no great fan of Daruvian's sense of humor, or whatever it is, but even he is nowhere near your level of posting iniquity. Brazenly insulting him and his clan won't make them worse than you.

As for hypocrisy: it takes one to know one, and no one would think you were above eye-for-an-eye retaliation in malicious ways.

edit: also:
*saxton quote*
Who are you?  Do you even play this game?

You're not fooling anyone. (http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/a-snake-in-the-grass/msg787824/#msg787824)
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Keshian on June 22, 2013, 03:43:52 pm
Meanwhile everyone is perfectly aware of how much of a horrible person you are, and yet you still remind us every time you post.

Is your own ego so large that you must try and tear down that of another just to satisfy your animosity towards this community?

I'm no great fan of Daruvian's sense of humor, or whatever it is, but even he is nowhere near your level of posting iniquity. Brazenly insulting him and his clan won't make them worse than you.

As for hypocrisy: it takes one to know one, and no one would think you were above eye-for-an-eye retaliation in malicious ways.

I love how much you have been raging the past month canary - I think you are finally overcoming your crippling passive-aggressiveness - your welcome  :) .
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 22, 2013, 03:44:59 pm
Is everybody ready for "downvoting Keshian because he's a cunt" time? Because it's that time of  the day folks! :D
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Canary on June 22, 2013, 03:45:37 pm
I love how much you have been raging the past month canary - I think you are finally overcoming your crippling passive-aggressiveness - your welcome  :) .

Psychological projection is an immature defense mechanism. Say something real for once, you aren't good at insults.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on June 22, 2013, 03:54:16 pm
The Complete Guide to Improving the Melee Gaming Forums
2013 Edition

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Step One: Downvote all posts by Keshian.

Step Two: Report all posts by Keshian.

Step Three: Proceed to ignore Keshian.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on June 22, 2013, 04:23:12 pm
So I just read the Diplomacy forum rules. Boy, do I feel like an idiot.

You guys have been roleplaying this whole time, and I didn't even realize it. Just, wow. I'm so fucking stupid for not getting it. You lot have been in-character, telling a majestic story about war and loss, and I've been posting like an idiot, ruining the story with all my metafictional asides.

In light of this, I'll begin replying to all posts in this forum in the proper fashion.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Goretooth on June 22, 2013, 04:42:40 pm
Psychological projection is an immature defense mechanism. Say something real for once, you aren't good at insults.
Immoral admin is a better insult. But you maybe say I was one but quoting you "It takes one to know one."

Typing in angry intellectual comes across as weak arguments.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Espwn on June 22, 2013, 04:46:45 pm
I'm so glad Daruvian keeps getting muted. Thanks for not being biased, Canary!

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Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Keshian on June 22, 2013, 04:53:08 pm
I'm so glad Daruvian keeps getting muted. Thanks for not being biased, Canary!

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That was probably Kalam.  :wink:
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Ganner on June 22, 2013, 04:56:19 pm
That was probably Kalam.  :wink:

Nope, i can confirm it was canary, but keep trying to get cheapshots in ;)
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Gristle on June 22, 2013, 04:58:00 pm
Step Three: Proceed to ignore Keshian.

I wish you would, but you're far too obsessed with Kesh to actually ignore him. Kesh seems to be the only reason you come to this forum.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Kalam on June 22, 2013, 05:33:27 pm
Kalam let his eyes drift toward the color show on the horizon, a satisfied sigh escaping his lips. On a plate too close to his chin, the after math of a war with mustard-based barbecue lay in stray crumbs and spilled sauce. "How can we get Kesh to stop talking?"

"It's easy. You just close his mouth," replied one of his wise wives.

"Right," the old sneak replied as he washed down the scent of pork with a barley-heavy beer. "If only. And how do we make the more eloquent Kesh be quiet?"

"The same way, but it looks like someone already did it. Also, I think the second Kesh calls himself 'DAH-ROO-VEE-UHN'."

"You're right as always, my dear. Come, let's finish this wondrous meal the way it needs to be finished. With a buttermilk pie! We need to share this recipe with our friends, who this second Kesh insists are our vassals. We don't have vassals, do we?"

"No, but if you get fat, someone's going to be sleeping on the couch."

"If I get fat, and all our soldiers get fat, we will crush our enemies and..." Kalam licked his lips. "...maybe we can even eat them after we're done sacking their castles."
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Keshian on June 22, 2013, 05:37:18 pm
Nope, i can confirm it was canary, but keep trying to get cheapshots in ;)

How is that  cheapshot lol, you guys get upset over EVERYTHING, hell its usually Kalam and I said its probably Kalam and you call it a cheapshot, you guys have insanely thin skin and take everything as an insult.  And yes I got warned for flaming in diplomacy by Kalam so it was pretty reasonable to expect eh did the other one too.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: ShiftKnife on June 22, 2013, 06:29:37 pm
In the Morning of the Lord General

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The Lord General awoke from his loft in a quiet manner, scanning his room in a tireless procedure. He pushed himself from his bed and proceeded to dress as he usually did, throwing on his layers of newly polished chain mail, his heraldic tapestry that he wore over that mail, and soon his infamous iron hat that some thought was his favorite soup bowl.

He strode down the steps from his bedding room and looked to his trusty guards, "Any news from ye front, lad?" One of the guards smirked and nodded, "Aye, sir! The horsemen of the east did indeed ride with information about the Frisian border conflict, sire!"

The Lord General bristled his cracked and dried fingers through his goatee before he fetched the letters from his trusty honor guard. He slit the wax crest that held the first letter together and flipped the ragged paper open. He read;

Hear ye, hear ye. All free and kindhearted warriors!

The evil and tyrannical servants of the equally evil and tyrannical Free Companies of Calradia have assailed our trade parties! This terrible, completely random attack has come unwarranted! Whatever shall we do without your help, kind mercenaries? And they have done it deep in the night, not wishing to face our full might! Oh no!


He folded the message back again, before he laughed whole heartedly and shoved the un-finished message into his guard's hands. This laugh stopped quickly as he trudged on through his manor, and he recollected the events of a few nights prior when indeed the Frisians attacked his own Alliance in an identical manner. Early in the morning, with ill intent that was clearly unjustified. It almost soothes him to know that he has struck a cord somewhere within his new found enemy's heart. He would wish to inform his 'enemy' that if they do not wish to receive such attacks, then why do they give them? If he wish to plunder and rob then why does he not expect it to happen to him in return? He had stopped laughing for what this means for the future. A bitter war so quickly into this Alliance's creation? Calradia... a mistress he is not sure of. Does he wish to live upon her bosom any longer?

The Lord General stepped out of his manor, and disappeared from sight.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: kasMVC on June 22, 2013, 06:41:11 pm
Yes yes this is all good and fun I suppose.


But the real question is which one of you vassal clans sent a 12 year old using a sound board into frisia ts while we were getting owned in dota. This guy couldn't even use the sound board to save his life. I had a horrible time trying to talk to him. Please send better "le epik trolls" into Frisia teamspeak (I'm banned from saying our teamspeak rightly so I suppose) so I can have a better time engaging with them.


Edit: Also kesh do you remember that day I said I wanted to find vassal factions and I thought it would really help us, and you and Fus YELLED at me. Literally NERD SPERGED all over me. This after saying "FCC is a place where you can do whatever the fuck you want, just have fun." I was so hurt I left the clan man. That was some fucked up shit. Now you're doing it you fucking hypocrite feeling hurters.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Darkkarma on June 22, 2013, 06:43:45 pm
These diplomacy threads seriously need more roleplay posts.

Enjoyable read,mr knife.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Keshian on June 22, 2013, 06:47:24 pm
Edit: Also kesh do you remember that day I said I wanted to find vassal factions and I thought it would really help us, and you and Fus YELLED at me. Literally NERD SPERGED all over me. This after saying "FCC is a place where you can do whatever the fuck you want, just have fun." I was so hurt I left the clan man. That was some fucked up shit. Now you're doing it you fucking hypocrite feeling hurters.

??  We don't have vassals and we didn't yell at you, just told you FCC doesn't look to have vassals - we can help other clans out and do some good trades but we have never cultivated vassals.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: kasMVC on June 22, 2013, 06:55:44 pm
Ok semantics kesh semantics


I said "allies"

You said "WHAT THE FUCK WOULD THAT DO"

Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Relit on June 22, 2013, 07:00:09 pm
"More rumbling from the north east", grumbled Relit the Old, as he read over the daily scout reports. He passed the paper to Vinr Zan, who simply shrugged and said, "More of the same from the Frisians. I am glad we no longer have to deal with that nonsense."

"It would be wise to watch it closely, we do not want this spilling over into our territory. Our merchants are reporting a growing number of bandits roaming the lands to the east and there is word of a new alliance there, with distant cousins of ours among it.", Relit responded as he kept reading the latest news.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Keshian on June 22, 2013, 07:09:11 pm
Ok semantics kesh semantics


I said "allies"

You said "WHAT THE FUCK WOULD THAT DO"

Lol I would never say that to you asking about allies.  And in all fairness you and i never spoke since you were never on ts so i am kind of doubting this exchange.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: kasMVC on June 22, 2013, 07:12:51 pm
Lol I would never say that to you asking about allies.  And in all fairness you and i never spoke since you were never on ts so i am kind of doubting this exchange.

Kesh I was on team speak every day. You were the one who would just come into the crpg channel and say one word about strat and then disconnect.

This feigning ignorance crap is bullshit. At least own up to the fact you hurt someone's feelings over the internet and you're in the wrong.


Relit the Old man sat at his computer chair munching on some pretzels. MMMM this salty goodness is good goodness me he mumbled, spewing pretzels all over his computer screen. He eagerly licked up his computer screen with a vigor known only to 3 year olds and ice cream cones. He scratched his butt and smelled it. MMMM Pretzel flavor.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Relit on June 22, 2013, 07:29:20 pm
It would be nice if both parties here would stop the shit flinging and just fight it out in game. You Frisians lost one of the only clans who actually wanted to ally with you because of these type of posts and Kesh, seriously tone it down and ignore them, this is not doing anything but riling up people for nothing.

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Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: BaleOhay on June 22, 2013, 08:03:28 pm
Lord Relit we will be your friends! Would you like to parlay, all know that BS clan and the Lords of Snow who live in steppes are descended from the first men to set foot on this land... Have it be known that if you talk to us in a kindly fashion you will automatically be labeled our vassals. It has some good and bad points... On the good side anything evil and terrible you do will be our fault and not your own.... But anything you do well also belongs to us and our shitty tactics cheating ways.

Consider wisely Viking lord.

Ohay
Warrior Poet of the BS clan
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Bobthehero on June 22, 2013, 08:04:46 pm
No parlay, no peace, let there be blood!
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: BaleOhay on June 22, 2013, 08:08:10 pm
Parlay is sacred and beyond your skills, you Horned Sea Cow!! Do not make the BS clan declare war on you narWussies again!
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Matey on June 22, 2013, 08:53:55 pm
A few things.

1. FCC does not and will not ever have vassals. We have had people in various strats who offered to be vassals and we always refused; We will never try to force decisions and policies on those who work with us. We seek their advice and offer them ours; we will work together to accomplish things but we will not become overlords to other clans as it goes entirely against the reasons that the FCC was created in the first place. IF Lumetta really described himself as a vassal then that was his mistake; he and his fellows have control over their own destiny and are free make their own decisions.

2. Kesh usually includes derisive insults in his posts or ridiculous hyperbole; however, you guys love that shit and obviously want more because you react the same to his posts whether they are good or bad. He does make some good posts and you guys shit on those just as much as his bad ones. If you want Kesh to stop with the shit posting then try positive reinforcement when he makes better posts. Kesh has many great skills, but decent forum etiquette is not among them.

3. You Frisians are horrible trolls and the fact that a new alliance would pick off one of your guys near their land after you did the same to them is surprising to no one but you. Blame the FCC if you want but really, you should be blaming yourselves.

P.s. "People talk about being obsessed with Kesh, but its kind of hard not to acknowledge him when FCC is merely his cult of personality and almost faceless sycophants(no offense to the FCC dudes that are pretty alright bros)." How the hell are the rest of us his cult of personality or faceless sychophants when most of us disagree with a lot of what kesh posts and openly acknowledge that as well as having entirely different posting styles and so on. I think the problem is you just like responding to Kesh more than you like responding to anyone else so you just ignore all the reasonable posts from FCC people and just keep hammering away at Kesh.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Matey on June 22, 2013, 09:09:12 pm
I think you missed the parenthesis part and switched alignments with this one, Matey.

But its cool, I feel like a my old friend when I compliment people, anyway.

I caught the part in parenthesis but the rest of the comment is awfully dismissive anyways, plus I can't think of any FCC people who match the description you assigned to us.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on June 22, 2013, 09:16:52 pm
Joe stood behind a herd of some seventy five Champion Coursers, fifty Warhorses, and eight hundred Champion Rounceys, trying desperately to cram them inside a quickly filling castle. "FUCKING MOVE," he screamed, his voice barely carrying over the neighing and stamping of hooves. "ITS NOT SAFE OUTSIDE!"

He turned to see a rising dust cloud behind him, a few miles off. A CHAOS raiding party was hot on his heels. He needed to get the rest of his horses into the safety of the castle. He ran back and forth behind the herd, waving his arms and slapping rumps, shouting. Slowly, the animal ocean flowed though the castle's gates.

An unloomed rouncey approached. He said, "My lord! The leaders of Frisia and the FCC are having a long-distance parlay!"

Joe smiled. Nothing could distract from the thought of imminent death like these two factions' attempts at diplomacy. "Thank you, good horse." He grabbed an armful of hand-written dispatches from a basket on the horse's flank and kicked it in the face, dismissing it.

Joe had read through five dispatches, quite giddy by this point, when a +3 Courser appeared, panting and bloody-faced. "Lord Joe, there is no more room in the castle! We are being crushed!"

Still reading, Joe said, "Have the guards throw ladders. You can climb up if the angle's not steep. Fill up the walls and towers."

The courser looked skeptical. "As you wish."

After a few minutes, Joe had satisfied his lust for nerd rage. This round of communiques had been particularly entertaining--the parchment upon which the last  exchange between Keshian and kasMVC was written on was actually speckled with dried blood.

He looked up at the castle. Horses stood all along the walls, upon the keep and towers, and filled up the courtyard. They bristled from every surface of the building like the feathers of a great bird. His four-legged friends had done well.

Summoning the rouncey again, he wrote out his own contribution to the diplomatic event: "Nerf cav."
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Matey on June 22, 2013, 09:29:54 pm
It wasn't meant to be dismissive, just an idea on how people not in FCC view FCC.

You know how kesh makes broad generalizing statements of shittalk against clans when he should only insult the one person he has an issue with but instead insults everyone in that clan and everyone who has ever liked anyone in that clan... you see where im going with this? :P
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 22, 2013, 09:39:43 pm
When we attacked that RoR fellow a few days ago, we were legitimately concerned about him stealing S and D from us. He had a large number of crates, and he appeared to be headed to our castle. We don't have enough fiefs to afford S and D pirating, so we attacked him. It wasn't for no reason, it wasn't because we wanted to pick a fight, it was in defense of our precious internet commodity.

Of course, that fact is of little importance now. All I'd like to do is once again request that both parties in this conflict agree to a gentleman's accord in which we don't attack at retarded hours. I would like to suggest that we do our best to keep battles between 5pm and 2 am EST. Yes, we did attack that other fellow at 3:30 AM, and that was kinda shitty. This attack is near 7 AM which is really shitty. Lets try to put a stop to this. I can't make you guys do shit, but I'm not being unreasonable nor rude. Daruvian talks a lot of shit and I'm fine with that. I don't control my members, but you'd do well to ignore him based upon your responses to him. If you're looking for srs business posts, read mine.

I also understand that interception of armies sometimes can't really wait until the next day. That's a real tough hurdle to get past, but lets do our best to not move through contested territory past the hours of 12 PM EST and 2am EST. I give my word that we'll do our best to keep to that timeframe if you folks will agree. Regardless of if you agree or not, we'll not initiate attacks that are not between the hours of 5pm-2am EST unless we make a mistake and fuck up.

I do hope that we can come to an agreement. I doubt we'd be able to do that with FCC; we hold a fucking lot of ire and animosity between our factions at the moment. But my faction has been damn near exactly where you guys are. We were very friendly and cooperative with FCC, but we didn't consider ourselves vassals. Factions that we were opposed to at the time called us vassals all the damn time, though. We resented that fact, hell, that's part of why we fired shots against FCC. We wanted to prove that we weren't anyone's bitches.

I reckon that you're in a position very similar. Of course you're very friendly with FCC; you've not gained a fief through anyone but them. Its only natural that you'd be amiable towards them. They're a good faction to fight for, although their teamspeak can be taxing on one's nerves during battles in my opinion (and many others I have spoken to). I mean shit, who doesn't want to fight for a faction that has excellent fucking gear EVERY BATTLE? I don't mean that as "lol armor crutcher yashawn nerds" either; FCC has their shit together and has all loomed shit all the time and it makes them get a large following of mercs outside of their client clans (referring to remnant, aow, hg, fallen) which already provide them with a lot of mercs. They win a lot of battles, and damn near everyone likes to be on the winning team.

All that doesn't make you vassals. Truth be told, nobody but yourselves knows if you're a vassal or not. We don't know shit about how you communicate with FCC. We don't know shit about if you take orders from them. When we were in your shoes, I consulted Kesh on damn near every strat move we made, because he's a fucking encyclopedia of strategus knowledge. The man very rarely makes any mistakes on the strat map.

tldr;
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Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: BaleOhay on June 22, 2013, 09:58:55 pm
I would say that is a pretty good description. They are friendly towards us and will likely stay that way till it is not in their best interest. We are fine with that. They are without a doubt not vassals. They come and talk to us and bounce ideas around but we do not give them orders.

You are not far off kesh is a wizard on strat.... he is as good on the map as he is bad on the forums. That should give you an idea what he means to the clan in terms of organization and keeping the ship pointed in the right direction.

Fcc will also do our very best to keep any fighting with you in primetime. Bad time fights are a hardship for everyone. If you are willing to make the same time claims to us we will do our best to do the same. Granted stopping armies in the field has always been an issue. I am not sure how to fix that.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: BaleOhay on June 22, 2013, 10:24:33 pm
maybe so. I just spend a lot of time bringing things from point A to point B without walking over mountains forests etc. So when I do that I like to be in the fights.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Penguin on June 22, 2013, 10:34:14 pm
To anyone reading this thread with no understanding of diplomacy or strat:

-FCC Vassals are not FCC Vassals, just up and coming independent factions who exclusively merc for FCC, take orders on who to attack, and use their gear and supply&demand
-Many FCC members (the same 3 or 4 people) are dedicated to making Orwellian propaganda RP posts defending every action they make for some reason
-HoC is good at strat
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Matey on June 22, 2013, 10:39:45 pm
To anyone reading this thread with no understanding of diplomacy or strat:

-FCC Vassals are not FCC Vassals, just up and coming independent factions who exclusively merc for FCC, take orders on who to attack, and use their gear and supply&demand
-Many FCC members (the same 3 or 4 people) are dedicated to making Orwellian propaganda RP posts defending every action they make for some reason
-HoC is good at strat

you forgot

- JC is the saviour of strat who fights for free trade and is not a bandit; he also is the champion of the forums and brings only unbiased truth.
- daruvian a reasonable person on the forums and it is wise to take him seriously.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Tojo on June 22, 2013, 10:40:27 pm
guys its the weekend though we can stay up alll night C-rpg partyyyyy!!!!
wasnt there just a thread about some faction could only play during their Primetime. Also, both sides have to have mercs at 7am...

dont even try using logic when disputing with Frisians. Their minds are only concerned with homoerotic fantasies, trolling and tables...
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Artyem on June 22, 2013, 10:50:12 pm
To anyone reading this thread with no understanding of diplomacy or strat:

-FCC Vassals are not FCC Vassals, just up and coming independent factions who exclusively merc for FCC, take orders on who to attack, and use their gear and supply&demand
-Many FCC members (the same 3 or 4 people) are dedicated to making Orwellian propaganda RP posts defending every action they make for some reason
-HoC is good at strat

Being the #1 FCC Vassal NA as well as the original vassal, I've never been told who or when to attack by FCC, nor by anyone.  I have worked with FCC in the past against Hero Party (now Semen Storm) and we used some coordinated attacks and reinforcement, but never have they went "Go and attack these guys because we don't like them".

I think FCC is large enough and has enough of their own shit under control that if they wanted to attack somebody they wouldn't order a faction comprised of new(ish) clans to do their work for them.

Also, when can I get gear and gold from FCC?  I mean, JC says everyone got gear but where the fuck is my paycheck?
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Artyem on June 22, 2013, 11:04:21 pm
Nah, but without people like Smoothrich posting my interest for Diplomacy went out the window.  With these new belligerents I don't have anyone to cyber with, and posting in neutrality is boring.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Adoptagoat on June 22, 2013, 11:07:16 pm
Nah, but without people like Smoothrich posting my interest for Diplomacy went out the window.  With these new belligerents I don't have anyone to cyber with, and posting in neutrality is boring.

Yeah, we all miss smoothrich's valuable contribution to the community and forums.  Someone give him admin and a 30 man clan already.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Goretooth on June 22, 2013, 11:26:29 pm
Clearly

I am the only FCC vassal
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Kaelaen on June 22, 2013, 11:47:14 pm
Kalam let his eyes drift toward the color show on the horizon, a satisfied sigh escaping his lips. On a plate too close to his chin, the after math of a war with mustard-based barbecue lay in stray crumbs and spilled sauce. "How can we get Kesh to stop talking?"

"It's easy. You just close his mouth," replied one of his wise wives.

"Right," the old sneak replied as he washed down the scent of pork with a barley-heavy beer. "If only. And how do we make the more eloquent Kesh be quiet?"

"The same way, but it looks like someone already did it. Also, I think the second Kesh calls himself 'DAH-ROO-VEE-UHN'."

"You're right as always, my dear. Come, let's finish this wondrous meal the way it needs to be finished. With a buttermilk pie! We need to share this recipe with our friends, who this second Kesh insists are our vassals. We don't have vassals, do we?"

"No, but if you get fat, someone's going to be sleeping on the couch."

"If I get fat, and all our soldiers get fat, we will crush our enemies and..." Kalam licked his lips. "...maybe we can even eat them after we're done sacking their castles."

It's not roleplay unless it's in italics!  How am I supposed to take this post seriously?!  -1.

-idlewind
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: dynamike on June 23, 2013, 12:55:10 am
This is literally the worst thread on the forums. It makes me so mad to read that I refuse to even up/down vote anyone in here.

I will go and furiously masturbate now until I fall unconscious from my chair from sperm and blood loss (yes, I will masturbate REALLY hard) and forget all about this monstrous turd of a non diplomatic whatsoever thread.

You are all worse than each other (if this is even possible) and should be ashamed of your behavior and feel terribly guilty if I don't wake up from my post-masturbatory coma.

Because it will be YOUR fault.

Can you live with that?

Can you?



(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Keshian on June 23, 2013, 01:21:55 am
Being the #1 FCC Vassal NA as well as the original vassal, I've never been told who or when to attack by FCC, nor by anyone.  I have worked with FCC in the past against Hero Party (now Semen Storm) and we used some coordinated attacks and reinforcement, but never have they went "Go and attack these guys because we don't like them".

I think FCC is large enough and has enough of their own shit under control that if they wanted to attack somebody they wouldn't order a faction comprised of new(ish) clans to do their work for them.

Also, when can I get gear and gold from FCC?  I mean, JC says everyone got gear but where the fuck is my paycheck?

We have been selling leftover gear fro troops too if anyone really wants any - who knew attacking chaos would leave us with 10K long spears and pikes.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: PJ1020 on June 23, 2013, 02:58:21 am
Why can't we all be friends?
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 23, 2013, 07:38:52 am
The best part of this thread is checking votes on the +/- 0 posts and seeing how many +1 and -1 are there balancing it at zero. Good effort RP posts, guys who did it. Joe, do you have any talking horses for trade? I don't even have riding skill but I wouldn't mind keeping a a few around for companionship.

Is everybody ready for downvoting Kesh time? Because it's that time of  the day folks! :D

I thought it was always that time of day...  :?

Come, let's finish this wondrous meal the way it needs to be finished. With a buttermilk pie! We need to share this recipe with our friends,

Where's the recipe? Don't let your mouth write checks that you can't cash. I'll trade you my recipe for panang curry, including how to make the curry paste from scratch!
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Canary on June 23, 2013, 03:21:01 pm
There are a couple reasons the perception of vassalage to FCC gets perpetuated. Here's a big one:

Fallen
Remnant
AoW
HG

These are all clans with members in FCC that, at least at some point, have or have had a separate identity from the FCC not only as a strat faction but as a cRPG clan. In some cases the cRPG clan remains distinct.

So you see, FCC literally has other clans kowtowing to their aims, even if they do have a say in what they do as a whole. Being fully a member of the supposed "parent" faction is not the same as being a vassal, but as far as results are concerned, the appearance is not so different.

Add on top of this these new clans apparently warring FCC enemies, and taking land from FCC enemies and you have a public opinion that isn't so far-fetched.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Delson on June 23, 2013, 03:50:51 pm

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=4134


You had Ken456... how did you lose?
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Gristle on June 23, 2013, 04:33:59 pm
These are all clans with members in FCC that, at least at some point, have or have had a separate identity from the FCC

You mean like BRD and Cavalieres? You know we didn't always call our alliance the FCC. Have I ever changed my clan tag? No. BRD4lyfe!

So you see, FCC literally has other clans kowtowing to their aims, even if they do have a say in what they do as a whole. Being fully a member of the supposed "parent" faction is not the same as being a vassal, but as far as results are concerned, the appearance is not so different.

Don't be so insulting. If it's all one faction, we clearly should have the same goals as a whole.

Add on top of this these new clans apparently warring FCC enemies, and taking land from FCC enemies and you have a public opinion that isn't so far-fetched.

Clans realize they have similar goals and team up. You're surprised when they suddenly share the same enemies? The FCC is an alliance of clans working together. There's no vassalage. No one clan is higher than another.

You know better, Canary. You do understand what we are. You know the difference between vassals and clans coming together as an alliance.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Bronto on June 23, 2013, 04:52:12 pm
Clans realize they have similar goals and team up. You're surprised when they suddenly share the same enemies? The FCC is an alliance of clans working together. There's no vassalage. No one clan is higher than another.

Let's just gloss over the fact that as a strat faction FCC has more "active" strat players, troops, gold and fiefs than the combination of your "friends" in your alliance. Without your backing you're basically implying these other factions would be doing the same without you...riiight. Take this as you want and flame on. I'm a mad bad nerd that no one's heard of who hasn't played the game as much as you. It's also the elitist egotistical methodology behind the FCC posting that people dislike. I tried trolling with feigned anger and all of you took me seriously, so I'll just go for the occasional wall of text to induce your rage and satiate your needs for minus 1ing a post.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Gristle on June 23, 2013, 05:19:44 pm
We're not all Kesh, Havelle. I know you have trouble with that. I truly do pride myself on honesty and calling out bullshit in my posts. I'd love for you to actually listen to what I have to say rather than immediately dismiss it as you always do. I don't consider you, Sandersson, Daruvian, or Jack the same person. Offer me the same kindness.

Let's just gloss over the fact that as a strat faction FCC has more "active" strat players, troops, gold and fiefs than the combination of your "friends" in your alliance.

Did you just suggest that we are stronger together than apart? Is this a revelation to you? Do you know what an alliance is? I guess BRD has more members than the other factions involved, but that's never been an important factor. even in the beginning, we had more members than the Cavalieres. Do you think Huey was ever anyone's bitch? No.

Without your backing you're basically implying these other factions would be doing the same without you.

How about "without their backing?" I don't know what any of us would be doing without the other clans. That's not how this round played out. Every clan currently in the FCC strat faction is working together.

and satiate your needs for minus 1ing a post.

I honestly don't -1 that many posts. I see it as a tool not meant to be abused.

I also believe in being succinct. If you consider any of this a wall of text, you have problems.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Bronto on June 23, 2013, 05:29:00 pm
We're not all Kesh, Havelle. I know you have trouble with that. I truly do pride myself on honesty and calling out bullshit in my posts. I'd love for you to actually listen to what I have to say rather than immediately dismiss it as you always do. I don't consider you, Sandersson, Daruvian, or Jack the same person. Offer me the same kindness.

Did you just suggest that we are stronger together than apart? Is this a revelation to you? Do you know what an alliance is? I guess BRD has more members than the other factions involved, but that's never been an important factor. even in the beginning, we had more members than the Cavalieres. Do you think Huey was ever anyone's bitch? No.

How about "without their backing?" I don't know what any of us would be doing without the other clans. That's not how this round played out. Every clan currently in the FCC strat faction is working together.

I honestly don't -1 that many posts. I see it as a tool not meant to be abused.

I also believe in being succinct. If you consider any of this a wall of text, you have problems.

Thank you for proving my point of the egotistical elitist mentality. Talking down to everyone like your vast knowledge of everything strat runs deeper than our brains can function. Again you break down the FCC like it's individuals making all their own decisons, doing their own thing, just happening to dominate NA lands. Quit it. Quit trying to force everyone to believe that "hey dudes we're just working together, this is what happens when you do. There are no leaders here..BLAH BLAH BLAH". no one's buying it. we all have brains in our tiny nerd heads. you also seriously expect us all to believe that the tiny clans, that have been absorbed into your clan of individuals, are the ones actually supplying the troops, gold and gear that have made you successful this round of strat. GIVE ME A BREAK. If you want I can find the thread where kesh was or did sell 40,000 "excess" troops to MB. I guess those were recruited by the smaller groups too.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Gristle on June 23, 2013, 05:54:24 pm
Thank you for proving my point of the egotistical elitist mentality. Talking down to everyone like your vast knowledge of everything strat runs deeper than our brains can function. Again you break down the FCC like it's individuals making all their own decisons, doing their own thing, just happening to dominate NA lands. Quit it. Quit trying to force everyone to believe that "hey dudes we're just working together, this is what happens when you do. There are no leaders here..BLAH BLAH BLAH".

I'm not talking down to you, and I don't have a vast knowledge of Strat. Never said I did. I also didn't say we're all just casually doing our thing. I said we're working together. We're a lot of people working together. I also didn't say that there were no leaders. Of course there are leaders. Why would I mention Huey when making a past reference to Cavalieres? Yes, We do have a lot of leaders, too.

you also seriously expect us all to believe that the tiny clans, that have been absorbed into your clan of individuals, are the ones actually supplying the troops, gold and gear that have made you successful this round of strat.

You seriously believe they haven't done anything? That they mean nothing? I know Dynamike has done a lot more this Strat than I have. Frankly, fuck you for suggesting otherwise.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Bronto on June 23, 2013, 05:59:26 pm
I'm not talking down to you, and I don't have a vast knowledge of Strat. Never said I did. I also didn't say we're all just casually doing our thing. I said we're working together. We're a lot of people working together. I also didn't say that there were no leaders. Of course there are leaders. Why would I mention Huey when making a past reference to Cavalieres? Yes, We do have a lot of leaders, too.

You seriously believe they haven't done anything? That they mean nothing? I know Dynamike has done a lot more this Strat than I have. Frankly, fuck you for suggesting otherwise.

Lol such a warm eloquent response. Again Remnant has been absorbed in like the last month or so so up to that point I'm sure their contribution to you all was HUGE. No offense to Remnant I love Tom Cruise and did some trading with him when we had villages.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Canary on June 23, 2013, 06:10:06 pm
You mean like BRD and Cavalieres? You know we didn't always call our alliance the FCC. Have I ever changed my clan tag? No. BRD4lyfe!

Right, but unlike the original FCC member clans they didn't set out united from the start. It was something that happened more recently; all the clans I specifically named were unique NA factions earlier this strat.

Don't be so insulting. If it's all one faction, we clearly should have the same goals as a whole.

Phrasing, I suppose, could've helped that statement. I didn't mean it as an insult.

Clans realize they have similar goals and team up. You're surprised when they suddenly share the same enemies? The FCC is an alliance of clans working together. There's no vassalage. No one clan is higher than another.

You know better, Canary. You do understand what we are. You know the difference between vassals and clans coming together as an alliance.

I don't think I've ever expressly called any clan a vassal of yours. Of course I know better, that's precisely why I made that post. The whole thing was meant to show how an outsider could possibly think you guys keep vassals, not that I agreed with the sentiment. I could dwell, once again, on strat 2 dealings where we were repeatedly called Druzhina's vassal (mostly by FCC, for the record), despite the fact that they had to repeatedly state that they did not keep vassals.

I know how you guys feel about this and I wanted to bring light to why someone else might feel the way they do about you.

P.S., you guys are being too hard on Gristle. He's one of the good 'uns!
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Gristle on June 23, 2013, 06:11:39 pm
Lol such a warm eloquent response. Again Remnant has been absorbed in like the last month or so so up to that point I'm sure their contribution to you all was HUGE. No offense to Remnant I love Tom Cruise and did some trading with him when we had villages.

It's been much longer than a month. Thank you for paying attention.

Anyway, I get the feeling that you're only responding to me this way because of my clan tag. You're not even trying to be reasonable. I'm done caring about what you choose to say, if that's how you choose to say it. You have become that which you hate the most. You are the Kesh of the Bowlers, and I wash my hands of you.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Gristle on June 23, 2013, 06:27:31 pm
Right, but unlike the original FCC member clans they didn't set out united from the start. It was something that happened more recently; all the clans I specifically named were unique NA factions earlier this strat.

Well, the Unicorns weren't always united with us, but now I couldn't imagine FCC without them. Did you know AoW's symbol was just added to our faction banner? Really happy about that! Cool guys that I personally need to get to know more. Their banner i yellow, so we were pretty much perfect for each other.

P.S., you guys are being too hard on Gristle. He's one of the good 'uns!

<3

I could dwell, once again, on strat 2 dealings where we were repeatedly called Druzhina's vassal (mostly by FCC, for the record), despite the fact that they had to repeatedly state that they did not keep vassals.

I don't remember doing this, so I'll just blame Kesh to be safe. Sounds like a Kesh thing to do!
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Bronto on June 23, 2013, 06:28:02 pm
It's been much longer than a month. Thank you for paying attention.

Anyway, I get the feeling that you're only responding to me this way because of my clan tag. You're not even trying to be reasonable. I'm done caring about what you choose to say, if that's how you choose to say it. You have become that which you hate the most. You are the Kesh of the Bowlers, and I wash my hands of you.

Lol paranoid much. I'm not even being unreasonable just stating my opinions which you so vehemently disagree with. Did I call you stupid or tell you to fuck off? Nope not this time. You said you were tired of that tact so I tried a new approach which apparently still presses a lot of buttons. The truth is out there you just need to open your eyes to see it. I'm not the only one that sees it this way, I'm just pointing it out. Sorry if that is perceived as me being hard on you even though I don't think I am.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Keshian on June 23, 2013, 06:31:21 pm
If you want I can find the thread where kesh was or did sell 40,000 "excess" troops to MB. I guess those were recruited by the smaller groups too.

Lol, I would love to see this post.  We have never sold troops only bought them this strategus because we have been so busy fighting non-stop and "40K excess"???  Really?   The only ones who have ever had 40K excess were VE because of its size and Occitan because so many eu factions sitting idle in EU doing nothing gave them troops.  Also,  AOW is part of our crpg faction not just Strategus - it was  a big decision on both sides and took working together for months, like how BRD and Cavalieres ended up joining together in Strategus 1 and Unicorns in strategus 2.

Also, do you understand we have more rank 10s as a ratio of players in the faction than any other faction in EU or NA and more rank5s and higher than any other faction - we share leadership and trust the judgments of others - when dynamike is around he is our go to cavalry leader for battles with huey gone - polish king and holiday are great for leading the melee when they makes battles.  We check in with each other about strategus decisons through ts, pm, and group forum messages.  Fallen have been practically 99% independent this entire strategus with their own fiefs and doing their own trade runs, which is how they wanted to play as part of FCC, AOW owns and controls Curaw one of our most important cities and Remnant will be controlling Dhirim if we win it.  All FCC means is that we can maintain our identities with separate clan tags and even separate tses, but can work together with shared leadership to enjoy the benefits of being a larger faction than 10 guys.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Kalam on June 23, 2013, 06:34:27 pm
Kalam stared at the vellum on the desk as one of his wives lit the candles around it, ensuring that illumination would be more forthcoming here than in the missives he read. Narrowing eyes framed with the crow's feet that came with age, he placed the nib of the quill against the dead skin.

Dear Friends,

I hope this finds you, and not our enemies. Enclosed within is a recipe.

Buttermilk Pie
1/3 cup flour
1 teaspoon sea salt
1 pinch cayenne
2 1/2 cup sugar
1 stick butter, melted
1 cup buttermilk
1 vanilla pod
1 tablespoon Nutella
6 eggs, lightly beaten

I hope it finds you in good health.

Love,

Kalam


The candles burned on, and wax discolored the teak desk that the eccentric Bridgeburner rested his elbows on. He wasn't reading anything, or even ogling one of his wives. Just staring into space, like the buffoon he was. The candles were spent when he finally picked up the quill to write his final letter for the day.


To My Enemies, Friends, and Onlookers,

I have heard accounts of the righteous anger that we incite abroad. More, of course, on how we conduct ourselves and the 'vassals' we have. More still on the nature of our organization, and how we are led by a single man behind the curtain. A man with an extremely loud voice. A man I call sister. Allow me to dissuade you. Not because it matters (forsooth, it does) if my enemies like me or not, but because someone has to present an alternative to the narrative many cling to. Not as simple, of course, and so harder to believe, but it is the truth to me and mine, even as it is a lie to those who deceive themselves.

We began ages past as a gathering of friends. Clans of less than eight a piece, joining hands to better stand against the darkness in the east. We had seen how the feudalism popular amongst the powers of that time failed them- seen the system of Lords and Vassals fail Calradia. We knew we had to try something different, but it could not be the totalitarian power of the Fellowship that sought Calradia as it's prize.

We were lazier than they. Total power in the hands of one makes life entirely too stressful, you see. It's also nigh impossible, in the culture of our peoples. We were not from the east. We were not (all) Russians. We (North Americans) have always been a fractured people, and so our faction would be fractured too.

So we found the Third Way. Not feudalism. Not an Empire. Not a totalitarian dictatorship. We would rule with many leaders in equal standing. An oligarchy of people who got along. On paper, it may seem like propaganda- especially to those of today who do not know where we came from. The truth is, it's good business, and good business, we learned in the war against the Mercenaries, wins wars better than good warriors winning battles.

You see, the other systems rely entirely too much on carrots and sticks. Many of these other clans had solid structure- a hierarchy to motivate their members and punish them alike. This would not do for us, because it simply isn't the most expedient way. No, allowing members more autonomy (see this (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CD4QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bos.frb.org%2Feconomic%2Fwp%2Fwp2005%2Fwp0511.pdf&ei=7iDHUYH4J4_q8gT3lYGgBg&usg=AFQjCNEVSp6kVdUnAJGih3aOJ7WZS_NTcw&sig2=aYchsC5Otx0cCHrTYXxucg&bvm=bv.48293060,d.eWU)) would give them the motivation to achieve things that they might never feel the need to achieve if they did not have a personal stake in the outcome.

Giving people more of a say (or having a larger leader-to-member ratio as well as many smaller groups in one as opposed to one big group) in their own futures results in a better force than merely issuing orders to a subjugated or subservient clan. It's in our own self-interest that these clans maintain their autonomy and choose to fight with us rather than against us, because that yields a more productive result. It's also in our own self-interest that we make decisions as a group. If everyone is involved in those decisions, they are more willing to follow through with the execution than if they were just told to do something.

That's it. That's our 'secret'. Now, you can choose to believe that or to believe the simpler explanation- that there's a man behind the curtain (Kesh) controlling our every move like some sociopath genius chessmaster. I suppose that is up to you.

Sincerely,

Kalam the Hopefully Soon-to-Be Fat


Kalam rolled the letter into a dainty scroll and placed his insignia on the string with the last of the wax. Licking his lips, he turned his attention to what's really important in life: nutella macarons.

Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: BaleOhay on June 23, 2013, 06:40:39 pm
If you want I can find the thread where kesh was or did sell 40,000 "excess" troops to MB. I guess those were recruited by the smaller groups too.

I will however address this one... Have you met us? We do not sell troops we buy troops. Tho I do not think our purchases are at 40,000 yet, we may be close.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on June 23, 2013, 06:56:36 pm
Joe was tying broomsticks to his horses.

He was doing this on a section of wall in New Senuzgda Castle, squeezing between sweating, stinking animals. He would have like to have more room, but he had needed to cram hundreds of horses inside, what with CHAOS and FIDLGB armies roaming the countryside.

Horses were everywhere. In the courtyard, along the walls, in the towers. He had even gotten a few inside the keep, despite The Sweet Prince, Haru's desperate pleas.

"Alright, guys," Joe said, tying the last of the broomsticks to a Well Bred Rouncey, "You remember the plan, right?"

A few nodded, though most stood silent, grim faced. Or as grim faced as horses got.

"I'm not sure where WITCHCRAFT is right now, but you'll find him, I'm sure of it." He stepped a little ways back, and took in his work, laughing--they looked ridiculous. He had taken the precaution of tying several broomsticks onto the armored horses, what with their being heavier.

"My lord," a frightened Mamluk Horse said, a broom tied to his face, "I'm not sure--"

"Shut up," Joe said. "WITCHCRAFT wants talking horses." He took a deep breath, both anticipating and fearing this moment, assured of his success but nonetheless dreading failure.

"Go," he said.

They hesitated, looking around anxiously.

Behind him, Joe saw the faces of many castle guards staring wide-eyed from arrow-slits in the keep. Somebody, maybe Espo, was running towards him, waving his arms. The hundreds of other horses inside the castle stared with open mouths and stricken faces. All eyes were on him, waiting for this moment. This success.

Joe drew his sword and put on his war-face. "FUCKING FLY MOTHER FUCKERS!"

They surged over the crenulations, away from his wildly swinging steel. For a brief moment, WITCHCRAFT's special delivery was airborne, their legs peddling madly at thin air.

Then they plummeted, screaming, fifty feet to the rocky ground below.

Joe peered over the wall, frowning at the pile of twitching, groaning horses below. Cries of "OH GOD, MY LEGS!" and "WHY, WHY?!" graced his ears. It sounded like the lighter rouncey's had landed on top.

Espo, almost at Joe's side, stopped, threw his hands up, and walked back across the courtyard towards the keep. Yes, today's failure had disappointed many. WITCHCRAFT would need to wait a bit longer for his horses.

Joe sighed, realizing that the one thing cav couldn't do was fly.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Gristle on June 23, 2013, 07:07:25 pm
As someone who was once considered as a possible sole leader of BRD, I can say I would never have fit the shoes of Kalam. Though he gave up his leadership a long time ago, there is none other who I swear fealty too.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Bronto on June 23, 2013, 07:07:36 pm
46,000 troops for sale - pm if interested

#gottem

http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus/looking-to-buy-troops-with-crpg-gold-and-loomed-items/msg768492/#msg768492
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Keshian on June 23, 2013, 07:14:44 pm
#gottem

http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus/looking-to-buy-troops-with-crpg-gold-and-loomed-items/msg768492/#msg768492


Hahahahahahaha - lol.  I think you took a joke post literally.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Sir_Winston_Churchill on June 23, 2013, 07:28:25 pm
To all who fought in the battle and went positive (or even), your payment has been sent from my coffers. Excellent turnout and performance overall.

Sorry for not shitposting.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Holiday203 on June 23, 2013, 07:54:22 pm
#gottem

http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus/looking-to-buy-troops-with-crpg-gold-and-loomed-items/msg768492/#msg768492

lol
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Artyem on June 23, 2013, 09:08:37 pm
A quick analysis of the current Strategus map and the actions that have led it to be what it is, I think we can safely draw these connections:

FCC is the Caesar's Legion, at their head is the great flamehaired Caesar Kesh, a sick, cruel, inexorable Strategus mastermind.  His right hand man, the Legate Baleohay, organizes and controls their forces in mass.  These two have forced several tribes into slavery, most notably are the tribes of the Remnants and the Wu-Tang tribe.  Several more tribes have fallen to their power, forced to bow down to the great merciless New Player Huey Newton and the ever-loving merciful Godking PARTYBOY of the BIRD CLAN.  The Fiddles lost their land in a quick blitzkrieg, eventually all of their land was given to a new puppet tribe called the Aggregate Alliance.  Next on the Caesar's list was the  green horde known as CHAOS.  Who could stop their tyranny?

So I guess the LCO is the NCR, and maybe Shariz is Hoover Dam?
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Artyem on June 23, 2013, 09:22:57 pm
Can we be the Great Khans?

Or you can be the Powder Gangers, it's somewhat fitting.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Matey on June 23, 2013, 09:29:00 pm
Damn I missed a lot of posts. I think Gristle and Kalam already covered things pretty well; I guess it really is just that hard for people to believe that we have such success with such loose leadership.

 I would like to point out that FCC has been around since strat 1... There are hardly any other NA clans or strat factions that have survived as long as us. Hospitallers and I guess DL are the only others I can think of that are still around. Many people from that time are still around but have made new clans or joined others and so on.

The reason FCC is so resilient is because it has always just been a group of people working together, if one leader leaves then someone else usually picks up the slack. I have vanished for months at a time, Kesh was actually gone for the better part of a year before strat 4 came up; Kalam was gone for a year.

FCC has had moments when we were small and inactive but like many others who play cRPG our members come and go, so our activity level varies depending on how many people are currently playing cRPG. It has gotten easier lately as we play many other games together so sometimes people who haven't been playing cRPG will still be on TS and can be asked to merc in a fight if we are short on people. The others who have joined into FCC this strat have all done so at their own request; they CHOSE to be a part of the FCC (at least for strat purposes).

 You guys who don't really know Kesh all think he is a monster dictator shouting people into line and giving orders but whenever a big decisions is to be made he usually asks everyone who is on TS for their opinion and advice and he will go with what most people want... not with what he wants. The way leaders get power in FCC is by taking on responsibility; those who are willing to put effort into strat are generally the ones who are most actively making and influencing strat decisions. Those who don't care about strat beyond getting some XP usually don't care enough to follow whats going on in strat and so they usually don't have strong opinions on most things. If you need an example of FCC making a big decision... When LCO offered us a NAP me and Kesh spent a couple of days asking everyone we could find even if they didn't really play cRPG anymore.

Well, There is a lovely wall of text for youze. Enjoy.

P.S. I am the one who kept calling CHAOS vassals of DRZ and I freely admit to doing it for TWO reasons. Number 1 is that I wanted you to break off from DRZ and embrace your destiny (to work with us and kick ass) and Number 2 is because vovka referred to you in private to other russian leaders as "good dogs who do as they are told".

P.P.S. I edited and hit enter a few times to break up the wall of text a bit to make it look less intimidating even if it might flow a bit weird with the breaks... whatever.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Darkkarma on June 23, 2013, 09:30:21 pm
I would like to motion for Chaos to be  associated with the Tunnel Snakes.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Matey on June 23, 2013, 09:32:37 pm
I would like to motion that you stop referencing fake shitty fallout games and only ever acknowledge Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics as all other games with the "Fallout" moniker are terrible games that shit all over my childhood.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Darkkarma on June 23, 2013, 09:33:46 pm
I would like to motion that you stop referencing fake shitty fallout games and only ever acknowledge Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics as all other games with the "Fallout" moniker are terrible games that shit all over my childhood.
Okay.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Artyem on June 23, 2013, 09:35:27 pm
I would like to motion for Chaos to be  associated with the Tunnel Snakes.

TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Smoothrich on June 23, 2013, 10:00:19 pm
I would like to motion that you stop referencing fake shitty fallout games and only ever acknowledge Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics as all other games with the "Fallout" moniker are terrible games that shit all over my childhood.

New Vegas was very good. Way better than any Bethesda game.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Matey on June 23, 2013, 10:05:24 pm
New Vegas was very good. Way better than any Bethesda game.

I tried to get into it but I just got so damn annoyed and bored by the first town even that i just stopped playing. I don't like fallout as a 1st/3rd person game, at least not with the emotionally dead looking characters of the bethesda engine. I also got mad cause some stupid lady was like "help me and mah dog kill some stuffs" and then the dog ran off way the fuck ahead and got one shot and then she bitched me out for it like its my fault her dog is retarded. how the fuck did her stupid dog last more than a day if its that stupid? Anyways, I've heard new vegas is better and I will believe that it is, but being better than a bunch of shitty bethesda games doesn't make it a good game  :wink:
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 23, 2013, 10:07:48 pm
I tried to get into it but I just got so damn annoyed and bored by the first town even that i just stopped playing. I don't like fallout as a 1st/3rd person game, at least not with the emotionally dead looking characters of the bethesda engine. I also got mad cause some stupid lady was like "help me and mah dog kill some stuffs" and then the dog ran off way the fuck ahead and got one shot and then she bitched me out for it like its my fault her dog is retarded. how the fuck did her stupid dog last more than a day if its that stupid? Anyways, I've heard new vegas is better and I will believe that it is, but being better than a bunch of shitty bethesda games doesn't make it a good game  :wink:
Matey the first two towns are like the boring parts of new Vegas, the next ones are ok/great, also that dog normally only ever dies if you intentionally shoot it.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Keshian on June 23, 2013, 10:08:28 pm
I tried to get into it but I just got so damn annoyed and bored by the first town even that i just stopped playing. I don't like fallout as a 1st/3rd person game, at least not with the emotionally dead looking characters of the bethesda engine. I also got mad cause some stupid lady was like "help me and mah dog kill some stuffs" and then the dog ran off way the fuck ahead and got one shot and then she bitched me out for it like its my fault her dog is retarded. how the fuck did her stupid dog last more than a day if its that stupid? Anyways, I've heard new vegas is better and I will believe that it is, but being better than a bunch of shitty bethesda games doesn't make it a good game  :wink:

Morrowind still awesome (Oblivion still a disappointment) and yeah new vegas was better but not enough for me to actually finish the game, while fallout 3 was so easy I did finish it but left with a feeling of being letdown, like is this it?  they should just go back and make a second Planescape:Torment - instead of fallout, such a rich storyline to work with.

P.S. Zlisch - don't you know Matey hates dogs?  they gnaw on peg legs.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Kaelaen on June 23, 2013, 10:22:25 pm
Oh god no, Kesh.  Don't suggest that.  If Besthesda got their hands on Planescape, they'll do nothing but eat your childhood.  That company has no idea how 'plots' and 'characters' work to create something called a 'story,' so if you want a new Planescape choose a game company known for actual storytelling.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Keshian on June 23, 2013, 10:33:25 pm
Oh god no, Kesh.  Don't suggest that.  If Besthesda got their hands on Planescape, they'll do nothing but eat your childhood.  That company has no idea how 'plots' and 'characters' work to create something called a 'story,' so if you want a new Planescape choose a game company known for actual storytelling.

Yeah you are right, though I still play that game even just 3 months ago - one of the best story driven rpgs ever - up there with betrayal at krondor and darklands.  Worth it just to learn all the wisdom on the githyanki's spiral stone, better than any zen book on the marketplace, whoever did that was one smart writer.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 23, 2013, 10:59:45 pm
I would like to point out that FCC has been around since strat 1... There are hardly any other NA clans or strat factions that have survived as long as us. Hospitallers and I guess DL are the only others I can think of that are still around. Many people from that time are still around but have made new clans or joined others and so on.

I'm the Oldest NA strat player(that I know of, there was only about 15 of us on the map before it stopped being invite only). Got on the strat map when it was still "in Beta" before anyone could hop on.

Also DL is like 4 guys now. Not it's old 20-30 of yesteryear's.

Also DL claims Gun Runners.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Matey on June 23, 2013, 11:06:07 pm
Oh god no, Kesh.  Don't suggest that.  If Besthesda got their hands on Planescape, they'll do nothing but eat your childhood.  That company has no idea how 'plots' and 'characters' work to create something called a 'story,' so if you want a new Planescape choose a game company known for actual storytelling.

fear not. Obsidian got crowd funding for a new IP that sounds pretty sweet and they have a lot of the old black isle guys who did planescape and fallout. I do so hope their project eternity is good.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 24, 2013, 05:07:13 pm
Can you guys hold off on posting so much bullshit over the weekends?  Lots of catching up to do on a Monday morning...

Kamikazi Joe best forum poster ever
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 24, 2013, 05:51:00 pm
I liked that New Vegas sort of returned to the whole story roots of the series, also way more interesting side quests than 3.

Morrowind's up there as one of the best games made, imo. I recently installed it on my new computer and found out that it can't run at my monitor's resolution or Windows 8 or something. I'm a pretty sad puppy.
lol windows 8
inb4 you use internet explorer
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Aderyn on June 24, 2013, 08:55:07 pm
less off topic, more talk about FCC vassal policies.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Tojo on June 25, 2013, 12:33:10 am
less off topic, more talk about FCC vassal policies.

FCC doesn't have Vassals, they just have other COMPANIES. hence the Free companies of calradia?

and please Kesh and friends are just Bi-curious...
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Canary on June 25, 2013, 02:40:24 am
Oh yeah, there was also that long stretch of time when FCC declared they were BIRD CLAN vassals and touted that fact around when they were given grief for doing things that were apparently in their own interests.

I suppose after having been a vassal themselves, it's something they'd never wish upon another faction? It must have been a grueling experience for them.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: BaleOhay on June 25, 2013, 02:59:36 am
we have been vassals of the great bird clan but we do not keep them. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Artyem on June 25, 2013, 03:00:55 am
Who isn't a vassal of BIRD CLAN?
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Canary on June 25, 2013, 03:23:25 am
we have been vassals of the great bird clan but we do not keep them. The two are not mutually exclusive.


Indeed not, but it furthers the confusion when "yes, vassals" was spoken so often, but the phrase "no vassals" is what we're hearing now.

Who isn't a vassal of BIRD CLAN?

I am the great enemy to the false bird! It is destiny that we fight. No wondering upon his servants coming to claim my homeland away from me, the BIRD's call is too strong.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Gristle on June 25, 2013, 04:12:29 am
It was the subject of much debate during that war, with us using words while apparently ignoring certain definitions. I've thought about it. Maybe "vassal" has been the wrong word all this time? He's the GodKing. You don't swear vassalage to a god, do you? I think it's supposed to be worship in that case. So, the war in defense of BIRD CLAN could be called a crusade.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Penguin on June 25, 2013, 06:18:45 am
Good field battle today, and it seems that the diverse vassal force was completely and utterly broken by the honorable soldiers of the Frisian freedom. Today they sent a message to all current and would-be vassals. No matter how much gear, land, or title you're given, it means nothing to the people with battles under their belts. Bring your A-game next time and pray that God have mercy on your souls.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 25, 2013, 06:21:06 am
Good field battle today, and it seems that the diverse vassal force was completely and utterly broken by the honorable soldiers of the Frisian freedom. Today they sent a message to all current and would-be vassals. No matter how much gear, land, or title you're given, it means nothing to the people with battles under their belts. Bring your A-game next time and pray that God have mercy on your souls.

I heard you guys bitched me out in TS a few times. Good times. To bad Frisia learned, quickly, how to stop my destruction of your spawns.

Oh well, kill my performance for a hope to win. Shoulda just went for kills instead. Not really, but only a drop from 7 to 6....
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 25, 2013, 06:24:03 am
I heard you guys bitched me out in TS a few times. Good times. To bad Frisia learned, quickly, how to stop my destruction of your spawns.

Oh well, kill my performance for a hope to win. Shoulda just went for kills instead. Not really, but only a drop from 7 to 6....

I think that the phrases "fucking anders" and "he's just gonna do it every life" and "fucking anders goddamn him" was most of it.

Good field battle today, and it seems that the diverse vassal force was completely and utterly broken by the honorable soldiers of the Frisian freedom. Today they sent a message to all current and would-be vassals. No matter how much gear, land, or title you're given, it means nothing to the people with battles under their belts. Bring your A-game next time and pray that God have mercy on your souls.

Don't forget our tactical use of tactical smoke-bombs. They played a pivotal role in our victory. Oh, and thanks to all our amazing mercenaries. Everyone was extremely responsive to commands given by Cikel, Ginaz (Mr Pink), Derpington, The Gay Knight and myself. Special thanks go to Krosis, MrShine, Slim, Canary, Phantasmal and sdfjkln for slaying plenty of foes. Of course, Jack and our Gay Knight ran down masses of enemies on their trust mounts as well. Last but not least, a special thanks to our engineers and guards: Derpington, Bonsai, Oil Can Harry, and Greatsage for throwing down wood until arranged into structures, and Sparvico, Mayzer, and Admiral Ballsack for ensuring that our shit remained unbroken and our flags remained uncaptured.

Also, Apollo for having the best KDR of the match, with a whopping 1 kill and 0 deaths. MVfuckingP.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 25, 2013, 06:29:14 am
I think that the phrases "fucking anders" and "he's just gonna do it every life" and "fucking anders goddamn him" was most of it.

See shoulda hired me instead 8-). Then  you'd have 10 more C sites than you do now. 5 weapon racks, 2 forward spawns. Not counted the 1 you broke yourselves. 8 sites wasted, and 3 others used to make more spawns. I'd say I payed for my xp that battle even though i went 13:46. :twisted:
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Turboflex on June 25, 2013, 03:17:53 pm
See shoulda hired me instead 8-). Then  you'd have 10 more C sites than you do now. 5 weapon racks, 2 forward spawns. Not counted the 1 you broke yourselves. 8 sites wasted, and 3 others used to make more spawns. I'd say I payed for my xp that battle even though i went 13:46. :twisted:

You didn't do much in the end to slow us down so it was all a waste of time (we never had less than 2 forward spawns). Would have been more useful actually supporting your sides' collapsing line which started off severely outmatched and getting pushed back to flags. Ineffective suicide runs at gear just weakened it further. Not just you Anders but also the people who wasted their time building tower & tent (which also just takes even more people off line who are going to heal).
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: BaleOhay on June 25, 2013, 03:21:36 pm
Which fight are we talking about. could some link it please. I do not think I was involved.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Damsel on June 25, 2013, 11:26:55 pm
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And through the process of a few days I just sat and read through all the rage and hate and was like, damn this is getting good.
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Now I'm here and I'm happy with the delicious rage. So ENCORE! Keep this shit going!
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Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
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Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Huey Newton on July 12, 2013, 06:13:58 am
Joe stood behind a herd of some seventy five Champion Coursers, fifty Warhorses, and eight hundred Champion Rounceys, trying desperately to cram them inside a quickly filling castle. "FUCKING MOVE," he screamed, his voice barely carrying over the neighing and stamping of hooves. "ITS NOT SAFE OUTSIDE!"

He turned to see a rising dust cloud behind him, a few miles off. A CHAOS raiding party was hot on his heels. He needed to get the rest of his horses into the safety of the castle. He ran back and forth behind the herd, waving his arms and slapping rumps, shouting. Slowly, the animal ocean flowed though the castle's gates.

An unloomed rouncey approached. He said, "My lord! The leaders of Frisia and the FCC are having a long-distance parlay!"

Joe smiled. Nothing could distract from the thought of imminent death like these two factions' attempts at diplomacy. "Thank you, good horse." He grabbed an armful of hand-written dispatches from a basket on the horse's flank and kicked it in the face, dismissing it.

Joe had read through five dispatches, quite giddy by this point, when a +3 Courser appeared, panting and bloody-faced. "Lord Joe, there is no more room in the castle! We are being crushed!"

Still reading, Joe said, "Have the guards throw ladders. You can climb up if the angle's not steep. Fill up the walls and towers."

The courser looked skeptical. "As you wish."

After a few minutes, Joe had satisfied his lust for nerd rage. This round of communiques had been particularly entertaining--the parchment upon which the last  exchange between Keshian and kasMVC was written on was actually speckled with dried blood.

He looked up at the castle. Horses stood all along the walls, upon the keep and towers, and filled up the courtyard. They bristled from every surface of the building like the feathers of a great bird. His four-legged friends had done well.

Summoning the rouncey again, he wrote out his own contribution to the diplomatic event: "Nerf cav."

Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Chosen1 on September 17, 2014, 03:18:40 am
bumping this thread because of a certain angry neckbeard's anger towards a certain clan  :wink:
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on September 17, 2014, 04:19:32 am
This whole fucking thread. Goddamn, I was wondering why I was posting such somewhat pretentious wordy walls-of-text and I figured it out.

(click to show/hide)

I do miss it.
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on September 17, 2014, 04:30:55 am
Gosh, these were better times. The days back when Frisia was covered in a golden shower of glory and shitposting. We were part of an intricate mosaic of Strat factions with personality, talent, and nerd dedication.

Now it's all gone, never to return. Strategus has transformed from being like a pizza with a whole bunch of delicious toppings to a burnt piece of shit toast left in the toaster too fucking long and it also burned the shitty apartment it was in down.

rest in peace
Title: Re: FCC/FCC Vassal Tactics
Post by: mcdeath on September 17, 2014, 05:25:21 am
God, Frisia was so cool a few months ago.

Am I right other Frisia guys?

Do you remember how cool we were?

Those few months ago.

Because we were really fucking cool.

I remember my brief time as a frisian. Then the goblins came through and fucking swept up the map.