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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 21, 2013, 11:01:18 am

Title: Zero slot 1h
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 21, 2013, 11:01:18 am: What is are the rules behind zero slot 1h swords?

I can't really figure it out...

Short Falchion
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weapon length: 61
weight: 1
difficulty: 4
speed rating: 104
weapon length: 61
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 30 cut
slots: 0

Short Sword
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weapon length: 81
weight: 1
difficulty: 6
speed rating: 103
weapon length: 81
thrust damage: 26 pierce
swing damage: 26 cut
slots: 0

Nordic Short Sword
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weapon length: 81
weight: 1.1
difficulty: 3
speed rating: 103
weapon length: 81
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 28 cut
slots: 0

Short Arming Sword
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weapon length: 81
weight: 1
difficulty: 7
speed rating: 103
weapon length: 81
thrust damage: 29 pierce
swing damage: 29 cut
slots: 0

Nordic Short War Sword
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weapon length: 81
weight: 1.1
difficulty: 7
speed rating: 103
weapon length: 81
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 31 cut
slots: 0

Scottish Sword
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weapon length: 80
weight: 1
difficulty: 7
speed rating: 103
weapon length: 80
thrust damage: 30 pierce
swing damage: 27 cut
slots: 0

Broad Short Sword
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weapon length: 86
weight: 1.3
difficulty: 8
speed rating: 102
weapon length: 86
thrust damage: 28 pierce
swing damage: 30 cut
slots: 0

Wakizashi
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weapon length: 70
weight: 1
difficulty: 4
speed rating: 104
weapon length: 70
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 28 cut
slots: 0

At first I thought it was sub 81 length, but the BSS is 87 and then I thought it's about sub 87 and 1 weight but the BSS is 1.3... So then I thought it was sub 87 and sub 1.4 weight... but then there are a number of other swords that aren't 0 slot with stats that stack up in much the same way.

Grosse Messer
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weapon length: 85
weight: 1.2
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 99
weapon length: 85
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 34 cut
slots: 1

Italian Falchion
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weapon length: 70
weight: 1
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 70
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 34 cut
slots: 1

Yanmaodao
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weapon length: 86
weight: 1.2
difficulty: 6
speed rating: 102
weapon length: 86
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 30 cut
slots: 1

Falchion
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weapon length: 80
weight: 1.2
difficulty: 4
speed rating: 96
weapon length: 80
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 30 cut
slots: 1

Is there any reason behind this? Other than syphilis.

In all honesty I'm only asking because I've always fancied the Italian Falcion and it would be a nice side arm for my xbow, I've got a loom BSS which is nice but really it's just a show piece with my horrible ping.
Title: Re: Zero slot 1h
Post by: Kafein on June 21, 2013, 11:31:16 am: The pasta cutter is much too powerful to become a 0 slot weapon.

I think one of the sufficient conditions is, if it has "short" in the name, it gets 0 slot.
Title: Re: Zero slot 1h
Post by: Teeth on June 21, 2013, 12:42:09 pm: OP assumes that balancing team attributes traits to weapons according to rules. :lol:
Title: Re: Zero slot 1h
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 21, 2013, 01:28:58 pm: Quote from: Teeth on June 21, 2013, 12:42:09 pm
OP assumes that balancing team attributes traits to weapons according to rules. :lol:

Indeed Teeth, it was foolish of me I know.

Yeah I do like the Pasta cutter.
Title: Re: Zero slot 1h
Post by: Gurnisson on June 21, 2013, 01:35:31 pm: Nomad Sabre should be 0 slot!
Title: Re: Zero slot 1h
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 21, 2013, 04:04:05 pm: I imagine it's a combination of the weapons being short, and all being 30 or under cut damage (except with the thrust of one being 30, and the cut of one being 31).

Don't push it Frank, if anything I think almost all the 0 slot 1h's should be 1 slot, not that more should be 0 slot.
Title: Re: Zero slot 1h
Post by: Phew on June 21, 2013, 06:05:18 pm: Grosse Messer is probably the best 1h sword in the game, so no way should it be 0-slot.

Just be happy that excellent swords like the Nordic Short War and Broad Short are 0-slot.
Title: Re: Zero slot 1h
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Title: Re: Zero slot 1h
Post by: Gristle on June 22, 2013, 05:39:39 pm: Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on June 21, 2013, 04:04:05 pm
Don't push it Frank, if anything I think almost all the 0 slot 1h's should be 1 slot, not that more should be 0 slot.

Quote from: Phew on June 21, 2013, 06:05:18 pm
Grosse Messer is probably the best 1h sword in the game, so no way should it be 0-slot.

Just be happy that excellent swords like the Nordic Short War and Broad Short are 0-slot.

He's not complaining. He's questioning what it takes to be considered a 0 slot weapon. It does seem to be as simple as "short" being in the weapon's name. Not sure how the Scottish Sword and Wakizashi got in following just that logic though. I mean, I can look at their stats and call it common sense, but then we come back to "there are a number of other swords that aren't 0 slot with stats that stack up in much the same way.'

Someone on our TS brought up the 2H Mace, currently 1 slot, that has a reach of 70. 6 of the 8 0 slot swords have a longer reach than that.