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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: PsyKoZe on May 06, 2011, 08:17:55 pm
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Can you make the Heavy and the Arbalest a little cheaper because it has 2 slots so most the two handed spammers and the One handed shielders cant use that xbow, And it would be nice to give the Xbowman a change instead the 900 upkeep. You get broke all the time. 500 upkeep is much better instead.
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No
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No
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No, if I have to pay 900 for my courser, inwhich you can kill 15 of with your item for the same price(safely), then nononono, up it a little perhaps.
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I aggree, but mim durnk so yaeah
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No
Any reason?
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No its ugly
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Casimirs all like tyath cause he dodas t to all tremplars like my brillainst idea that I posted earlier!
being biased won't get you nowhere!
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Kitten Says No
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I gues all of you never played xbowman. Cusz a freaking ninja(who probally spams) Says no, A Dude that calls him Casimir( unfortunatly my Boss) says no to tease me, a cav guy who is crying cusz his horse is so expensive and he is talking about HOW MUCH killls he got (he prolly dont know is that xbowman is to support, wich is hard if he cant pay upkeep) And we got a dronk Hardnes:D Any xbowmen reply's?
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Ninja'd!
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I have a pure xbow character who uses arbalest. Well 936 gold in upkeep isn't that big a deal since its my main weapon, using 2x steel bolts and a 0slot hammer for weapons with peasant clothes for armor. Gold has never been an issue for it.
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I gues all of you never played xbowman. Cusz a freaking ninja(who probally spams) Says no, A Dude that calls him Casimir( unfortunatly my Boss) says no to tease me, a cav guy who is crying cusz his horse is so expensive and he is talking about HOW MUCH killls he got (he prolly dont know is that xbowman is to support, wich is hard if he cant pay upkeep) And we got a dronk Hardnes:D Any xbowmen reply's?
Lol Look at my sig. I have a alt for Everything.
And why should the Crossbow be cheaper? Why so everyone can use it ALL the time? Thats the fucking point of upkeep and stuff being expensive, Use a fucking lighter crossbow when you are low on money.
And yes I do spam! But I can atleast block what comes back at me.
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nah the price is kk, can be even higher, just buff it cose this is the weakest dedicated char from all chars possible.
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OP is about x-bows and poll is about santas hat, is this intended?
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Agreed. The heavy and arbalest should indeed be cheaper. The other 1 slot crossbows need adjusting though. Light and medium xbows got a damage improvement when they didn't need one.
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1315 repair is pretty ridiculous considering how much the arbalest has been overnerfed.
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NO! Why should you arbalesters get special treatment? I pay like 865gp every second round for my greatsword + armor.
Not to mention arbalests and heavy crossbows are ment to be carried while the user wears light armor. So if you are playing the cbow class correct, the highdamage cbow is really the only thing that should cost anything(also the tiny melee weapon if you have one). And I was an arbalester entire generation, so I somewhat know what im talking about. The upkeep sucked and hurt my heart, but I admit that it balanced the books. Basically same point as Peasant_Woman had.
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I gues all of you never played xbowman. Cusz a freaking ninja(who probally spams) Says no, A Dude that calls him Casimir( unfortunatly my Boss) says no to tease me, a cav guy who is crying cusz his horse is so expensive and he is talking about HOW MUCH killls he got (he prolly dont know is that xbowman is to support, wich is hard if he cant pay upkeep) And we got a dronk Hardnes:D Any xbowmen reply's?
> Yes < Nerf Heavy and Arbalest prices! They already suck bad and get like half their dmg/shot speed whatever nerfed in rain.
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Can you make the Heavy and the Arbalest a little cheaper because it has 2 slots so most the two handed spammers and the One handed shielders cant use that xbow, And it would be nice to give the Xbowman a change instead the 900 upkeep. You get broke all the time. 500 upkeep is much be:tter instead.
Buff Xbows? Yeah... Buff Archery too! Why s everyone gone mad?
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I'm an arbalest guy with a total gear cost of 29k-32k and sometimes I'm taking heavy losses if the arbalest breaks often (for example I played 30min with an average multi of 2,3x and I lost 10k). But still I'd say No. It's extremely powerful weapon even if you're equipped with only luck, but if you know how to play with it, it's always a positive k/d.
Summary: No. the cost of Arbalest and Heavy Xbow are fine.
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No because you already make me sick enough like that :evil:
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This is bullcrap, I´m using Arbalest with my xbow alt (Nord_Friedbolt), and I´m making money all the time, no need to lower that price.
If you are losing gold, you just should take another armor -.-
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They're pretty much fine.
The only thing an arbalester wastes money on is mostly the arbalest itself, due to wpf requirements of low gear, or the sidearm if no wpf used in it.
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i'd say make them 10% more expensive
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i'd say make them 10% more expensive
:mrgreen:
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Cmon wiltzu, don't you dare to oppose dave's all mighty omniscient wisdom! Silly sauna boy!
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Rumsfeld manage to bump up this thread. It hadn't been posted in for 1.5 years!
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Sheesh, you'd think after so long, a thread would be moved to an archive, or deleted.
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Rumsfeld manage to bump up this thread. It hadn't been posted in for 1.5 years!
Thanks for pointing that out. This is completely unnecessary necro and warnings will be given.
EDIT: I can't... The poor guy has posted only 3 times. I don't want to warn him... I have to believe that he reads this post AND NEVER NECROS ANCIENT THREADS AGAIN.
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Bump
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tits
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I've played Arba for something like 6 gens I think and I think the cost was ok. On the other hand there was this strange nerfing of it (or the buff or armor) and its just not really worth it anymore. It just does not has the punch that it used to have which made the high upkeep cost obsolete, I can use a regular xbow and almost have the same results.
If an item really brings you an advantage on the field I dont care what it costs. For example a courser (maybe with +3 on top) is a very big advantage if you're not a complete idiot, or one of the heavily armored horses (pick any of them), they cost a lot of money, but playing cav I didnt mind the cost cuz horses are awesome.
For those of you not familiar with dedicated xbowing compare it that way:
Rouncey with Courser upkeep
Barbed Arrows with Bodkins upkeep
Oh and I almost forgot: I know that Dave and Friedturtle and similar good players probably dont need to care about this upkeep because you make a very large impact on every round which can turn it in your teams favour, but think of people like me that play rather ok instead of being able to land a headshot every second bolt. Many of the "average" players go for bodyshots and they do a lot of damage too, I'm aware of that but still, I think the upkeep is a bit too high, after all, with an arbalest you're giving up one of the most important factors in this game - mobility.
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Most of the time - I explain each my suggestion, this time I didn't and got a lot if minuses :wink:
So why do I actually suggest to increase the upkeep of Arbalest or at least leave it the same:
1) Everyone here should understand that Arbalest users are extreme class. They're not meant to be the main mass of crossbow users. You can check all classes and you will see the same - players don't tend to use the highest tier weapon because it's too extreme and expensive. They rather prefer more balanced weapons. A lot of examples: Rus Bow over Longbow even though Longbow has better damage and projectile speed; Jarids over Throwing lances; other polearms over Elegant Poleaxe; great swords over Flamberge; NCS over Long Espada Elsavona etc. How many Heavy Crossbow users do you know? There were some of them in the past but now I don't know a single one, even though MW Heavy Crossbow is a little bit more accurate than MW Arbalest. Regular Crossbows are something rare, Light Crossbows are only used by Horse Crossbowmen.
2) Arbalest users are meant to be expensive. It's probably my fault that I popularized medium-heavily armoured arbalest users. But it's not my fault that people got it wrong. The thing is that you're meant to lose money playing with medium/heavy armoured Arbalester. Why I made it in my guide? The answer is simple: this guide was made mainly for those who didn't have 15+ generations so they were about to retire a lot. And they were not about using Arbalest on low levels, so by the moment you reach viable level (i.e. 25) for using Arbalest - you already have a decent amount of money to spend on upkeep until you reach lvl31 to retire again. So by the moment you reach needed generation - you already have a decent amount of money to play further than lvl31. Also, I personally don't lose money with my gear (46,100 gold price, 3224 max upkeep) and my gear is ultra expensive.
3) Making classes expensive is one of the worst ways to balance, but still it works in some cases. There are a lot of Arbalesters now (not as many as archers though), more than it's supposed to be. Expensive classes stop randomers from playing them, but never stops dedicated players. So making it less expensive equals making it more popular. And if you make it more popular you'll make another wave of classes so everyone will whine about enormous amount of arbalest users (and we already have overpopulated ranged division).
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Easy mode, QQ.
edit: I also know how to play that neo-my old friendgery-Merc minus voting game, omniscient Dave. :wink:
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Easy mode, QQ.
edit: I also know how to play that neo-my old friendgery-Merc minus voting game, omniscient Dave. :wink:
Very usefull comment. You could also go and suffocate somewhere
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It was move of a private joke with Davey-boy, but hey, I'll take that into consideration too kind sir. :D
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Private joke in public message... hmmm
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You already have my contribution on the thread, a thread that like every other will die forgotten in time.
They're pretty much fine.
The only thing an arbalester wastes money on is mostly the arbalest itself, due to wpf requirements of low gear, or the sidearm if no wpf used in it.
Now try to be less arrogant and mind your own business, young man.
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As all other suggestions will die somewhere. Still people make them, dunno why. Sometimes I feel I can post some of my limited crpg experience in one of these threads
Edit: And no, never will I be less arrogant, I've been a very nice person for a long time but being a prick is much more fun in life.
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edit: I also know how to play that neo-my old friendgery-Merc minus voting game, omniscient Dave. :wink:
yeah, says the guy who minused my post earlier in this thread... grow up. I only give minuses to useless posts. Plus, as you can see my infamy, 50% of it were given by Nords + Zlisch, so don't bother.
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Sigh... Another soul lost.
Farewell dave.
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Sigh... Another soul lost.
Farewell dave.
You see, here comes Andswaru giving me -1 aswell. You can't have success against Mercs on the battlefield so you fight on forums giving minuses, how high. Koldborn I removed -1 to your post if you care that much but it's really a dick move whining about it since you gave me -1 before in this thread
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I use heavy crossbow.. But i only kill through headshots. (non-loomed) cant even 1 shot archers..
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yeah, says the guy who minused my post earlier in this thread... grow up. I only give minuses to useless posts. Plus, as you can see my infamy, 50% of it were given by Nords + Zlisch, so don't bother.
I -1'd you on two different posts in this thread. In EU there might be more people using Arbalests, but on NA side... there is like 2 or 3 people, how is this over populated?
all I can think off off the top of my head is Myself, DarkKarma, and some guy that some times play NA siege called "Conte", sure some times there might be 4-5, sooner than they appear they are gone again.
I agree with you on one point thought, The cost is fine, I use Lammellar Vest, Taganachi helmet with veil, and a Niuweidao as a side arm. I tend to boarder line make money.
I have never fought you before either, so I definitely didn't minus 1 you just because I cant kill you lol....