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Title: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 17, 2013, 07:39:48 pm
Seriously, they've been around for 1000's of years (probably since man first picked up a stick to eat food with), but we've had these recent improvements in eating utensils in the last 1000 or so years, namely forks and spoons and knives. 

I can see if you're dirt poor, but why would people use them just out of "tradition"?  Reminds me of hipsters, who would reject using a better tool for a job, out of "tradition"?
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Overdriven on June 17, 2013, 07:51:58 pm
There's a certain way of eating with chinese food that actually makes them make sense. More like a shovel type and then you pick up the large pieces. Works fine with practice but I always laugh at people trying to pick up grains of rice with chopsticks.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Grumbs on June 17, 2013, 08:11:14 pm
Spoons and forks are not recent improvements. Its probably more a case of if its not broke don't fix it. If you grew up with chopsticks you would not want to bother with forks or spoons most likely
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 17, 2013, 08:13:52 pm
I know they're not recent improvements, it was sarcasm  :P That's my point, spoons and forks have been around forever, why not use an improved eating utensil?
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Kafein on June 17, 2013, 08:32:27 pm
The meat is pre-cut so you don't need a knife. Chopsticks are basically used like forks except you don't stab your food with them (that is the european style, americans are weird one-armed creatures that use forks like spoons).

The only real difference is the spoon, which asians have their own (admittedly completely impractical) sort.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: chadz on June 17, 2013, 08:36:26 pm
I must admit I prefer eating chinese food with chopsticks where possible, but I always have to smile when I see asian people in real chinese restaurants eating with a fork.

I guess it's not much of an issue for them :)
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Life on June 17, 2013, 08:40:18 pm
i like to do some hardcore roleplay whenever i order chinese food, the chopsticks are the main part!
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Havoco on June 17, 2013, 09:55:58 pm
(that is the european style, americans are weird one-armed creatures that use forks like spoons).

Err what? I've never seen someone do that
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 17, 2013, 10:14:04 pm
I shovel food with forks...on top of stabbing as well.  Not going to get a spoon dirty if I can use a fork for the task. 
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Goretooth on June 17, 2013, 10:16:11 pm
I use a spork.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 17, 2013, 10:18:53 pm
haha goretooth that's what my wife suggested when I said she was silly for using chop sticks at Asian restaurants.  She said, well using your logic, you should be all about sporks. 
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Goretooth on June 17, 2013, 10:22:03 pm
Was in London china town today trying to figure out where to eat. We looked for the spot with the most Asians waiting outside before it opened and were glad we did so.
My tip for eating in London is don't eat English food.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Teeth on June 17, 2013, 10:46:25 pm
I use my fork like a spoon when the food makes that more practical than stabbing it. Shoveling with a fork is sometimes better than a spoon because a fork is flat and you can shove it below a layer of food much easier. I only ever eat according to proper knife and fork etiquette when eating out or at respectable people, otherwise for the sake of practicality, anything goes.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Kafein on June 17, 2013, 10:47:19 pm
Was in London china town today trying to figure out where to eat. We looked for the spot with the most Asians waiting outside before it opened and were glad we did so.
My tip for eating in London is don't eat English food.

That's a valid tip everywhere. But you will only find english food in England.

Actually I always use chopsticks for asian food, be it instant noodles or the quality restaurant shit (in which case you would have to ask the waiter to get western cutlery anyway). Using a knife and a fork when you don't need it always feels much too barbaric compared to the subtlety and simplicity of chopsticks.

Also you can throw them in the trashcan after use, unlike metal cutlery.



Also my comment about americans was about first cutting everything then eating solely with the right hand (wanking off with the other ?) after that.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: B3RS3RK on June 17, 2013, 11:10:34 pm
1. Stab piece of meat with your fork
2. use rest of the forkhead for spoon purposes(eg. noodles, rice or potato mash/pieces)
3. put it in ya mouf
4. profit
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 17, 2013, 11:18:18 pm
The ultimate invention by man is a metal spork sharpened on one side so it can cut, selling them 500 euro a piece!
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: B3RS3RK on June 17, 2013, 11:19:41 pm
The ultimate invention by man is a metal spork sharpened on one side so it can cut, selling them 500 euro a piece!

totally not dangerous to eat with.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Rumblood on June 17, 2013, 11:20:43 pm
I grew up using both chopsticks and forks and use the one appropriate to the task. It does seem you use chopsticks more with Asian food, but it is form dictating function. Most American food consists of a big hunk of uncut meat or sandwiches, or some kind of stew, soup, chowder, gumbo. Those just aren't chopstick style foods. Besides, for some reason when eating chinese food and going in with a fork, I get this thought of metal tines scraping my teeth and quickly switch to chopsticks.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Artyem on June 17, 2013, 11:35:13 pm
Growing up in a very culturally diverse section of the United States lead to my love for cultural traditions, and part of this comes from having used chop sticks efficiently since I was probably five years old.  I get the same thing Granpappy does when I try to eat Asian food with a fork, it's very similar to my disliking towards popsicles because I hate the sensation of the wooden stick sliding across my teeth.

I remember eating at a Thai restaurant when I was eight or nine years old, and the owner came out surprised that I, a young Caucasian male was more proficient with chopsticks than her Asian children were.  Fuck McDonalds.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: [ptx] on June 18, 2013, 09:20:03 pm
Learnt to use chopsticks and used them exclusively for 2 weeks whilst i was in China, they're incredibly handy for eating chinese food, especially such as boiled rice, much more so than "western" utensils - it's as if they're an extension of your fingers.

Definitely not a case of forks and spoons being better than chopsticks, it's just that they're better suited to our food.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 18, 2013, 09:30:03 pm
I disagree.  How is picking up rice with chop sticks better suited than using a spoon or fork? 
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 18, 2013, 09:32:16 pm
totally not dangerous to eat with.
I regularly purely use a knife for anything that doesn't require a spoon, just stick it into whatever you want to eat, or cut shit in smaller pieces and then stab it, all it really requires is you not being silly when you stick sharp shit into your mouth.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: [ptx] on June 18, 2013, 09:54:04 pm
I disagree.  How is picking up rice with chop sticks better suited than using a spoon or fork?
Well, proper rice is served stuck together in small clumps, that are very easy to pick up with chopsticks. Doing so with fork or spoon would be way harder and would probably end up with you either chasing these clumps around your plate or breaking them up and ending with separate rice grains that you can't do anything about.
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Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 18, 2013, 10:06:30 pm
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Scooping a rice clump (sticky rice) is really easy with a fork, so is scooping loose rice
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Kafein on June 18, 2013, 10:28:33 pm
The critical instant remains when you have to use your fingers/knife to get the last evasive fuckers to get onto your fork.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Teeth on June 18, 2013, 10:40:13 pm
The critical instant remains when you have to use your fingers/knife to get the last evasive fuckers to get onto your fork.
But then you remember you are a rich westerner and you don't have to bother with getting every last bit of food because there is more where that came from. Or you use a spoon, or eat from a plate and use your knife and fork.

Chopsticks are a retarded way of eating food that does not even get close to the efficiency of fork and knife combo, and which should have been discarded the moment they met their masters. I am principally against using them, luckily I live in a country where you rarely even see them even in chinese restaurants. Otherwise I would ask for a fork and knife, yes I am that guy. If you can't eat that bowl of rice with a knife, fork and spoon ptx, you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Kafein on June 18, 2013, 10:41:23 pm
But then you remember you are a rich westerner and you don't have to bother with getting every last bit of food because there is more where that came from.

Chopsticks are a retarded way of eating food that does not even get close to the efficiency of fork and knife combo, and which should have been discarded the moment they met their masters. I am principally against using them, luckily I live in a country where you rarely even see them even in chinese restaurants. Otherwise I would ask for a fork and knife, yes I am that guy. If you can't eat that bowl of rice with a knife, fork and spoon ptx, you're doing it wrong.

By that logic the right way to eat everything is making shakes...
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: [ptx] on June 18, 2013, 10:45:12 pm
But then you remember you are a rich westerner and you don't have to bother with getting every last bit of food because there is more where that came from. Or you use a spoon, or eat from a plate and use your knife and fork.

Chopsticks are a retarded way of eating food that does not even get close to the efficiency of fork and knife combo, and which should have been discarded the moment they met their masters. I am principally against using them, luckily I live in a country where you rarely even see them even in chinese restaurants. Otherwise I would ask for a fork and knife, yes I am that guy. If you can't eat that bowl of rice with a knife, fork and spoon ptx, you're doing it wrong.
Have you actually ever learnt to use chopsticks? Your dumb rant makes you sound like you haven't even tried - in which case you should be ashamed.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 18, 2013, 10:47:37 pm
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I do think people are bringing up good points, and lets keep in mind, it's not that serious of a discussion, but still interesting to discuss
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Kafein on June 18, 2013, 10:48:55 pm
I totally agree about the leaving on your plate whatever you cba to grab though
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Teeth on June 18, 2013, 10:56:44 pm
By that logic the right way to eat everything is making shakes...
Not really, that would require adapting the food, which switching to a better type of cutlery does not.

Have you actually ever learnt to use chopsticks? Your dumb rant makes you sound like you haven't even tried - in which case you should be ashamed.
Someone really loves his chopsticks. I have tried using them. Spoon, knife and fork allow you to eat any food very efficiently, including foods traditionally eaten with chopsticks. If you disagree with that then I will have to ask you if you ever learnt to use them. Chopsticks are only fit for certain foods, if correctly prepared and served and do not do a much better job at those specific foods they are fit for then normal cutlery.

Therefore, no reason to use chopsticks you dirty weeaboo.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 18, 2013, 11:01:46 pm
I don't give a fuck what instruments people use to eat. You can eat with a chainsaw if you want, whatever you find got the best fun/efficiency ratio for you, however with that said, claiming eating ANYTHING with chopsticks (and yes, I know how to use them) is easier than with a spork sharpened on one side (or a fork, knife, and spoon) is beyond silly.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: [ptx] on June 18, 2013, 11:14:04 pm
Took me a week of fumbling before i could eat rice like a total boss with them, way better than with any fork or spoon. Zlisch, claiming that claiming eating ANYTHING with chopsticks is easier than with a spork sharpened on one side (or a fork, knife, and spoon) is beyond silly... is beyond silly.

For whatever reason you lot sound as if someone once stabbed you with a chopstick and now you have an incurable hate for them.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 18, 2013, 11:43:13 pm
Took me a week of fumbling before i could eat rice like a total boss with them, way better than with any fork or spoon. Zlisch, claiming that claiming eating ANYTHING with chopsticks is easier than with a spork sharpened on one side (or a fork, knife, and spoon) is beyond silly... is beyond silly.

For whatever reason you lot sound as if someone once stabbed you with a chopstick and now you have an incurable hate for them.
I don't hate them, I just acknowledge that proper sporks sharpened on one side are more efficient, and that rice picture of yours would be easier or at best as easy to pick up with my masterful spork sharpened on one side. (admittedly for food that isn't to damn hot and isn't liquid and if you can wash your hands afterwards and no one cares how barbaric you look just eating with your hands is prolly the most efficient way to eat though)
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: [ptx] on June 18, 2013, 11:48:29 pm
I don't hate them, I just acknowledge that proper sporks sharpened on one side are more efficient, and that rice picture of yours would be easier or at best as easy to pick up with my masterful spork sharpened on one side. (admittedly for food that isn't to damn hot and isn't liquid and if you can wash your hands afterwards and no one cares how barbaric you look just eating with your hands is prolly the most efficient way to eat though)
And with chopsticks being like an extension of your fingers, it is very much like eating with your hands - except you look good doing that and don't need to wash after.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 18, 2013, 11:53:43 pm
And with chopsticks being like an extension of your fingers, it is very much like eating with your hands - except you look good doing that and don't need to wash after.
It lacks several features of your hands though, if you could properly cut/tear something apart with them, if it'd have the base of your hand to help hold shit so you can take that much bigger amounts, and if you could properly use 10 chopsticks at once (along with having functional joints and the palm of your hand to make sure nothing could possibly fall out from behind, and even for food made for chopsticks these features would greatly improve your eating abilities), then yes it'd probably be an almost suitable replacement for eating with your hands, but until then it isn't that amazing.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Tore on June 19, 2013, 12:09:59 am
nerf chopsticks
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 19, 2013, 12:28:18 am
nerf chopsticks

more like buff chopsticks
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Prpavi on June 19, 2013, 12:29:56 am
I love earing with wood. cheramic is also ok, metal is awfull.

Used to have some wodden forks and spoons, but nowdays I try to ear allot of food with the chipsticks, wood, smaller bites, lovely.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Kafein on June 19, 2013, 12:09:13 pm
I love earing with wood. cheramic is also ok, metal is awfull.

Used to have some wodden forks and spoons, but nowdays I try to ear allot of food with the chipsticks, wood, smaller bites, lovely.

The melody of food
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Leesin on June 19, 2013, 12:25:54 pm
Haven't used chopsticks for years but they're not as bad as some people seem to think. One of my best mates is Half Chinese Half Vietnamese and when we were teenagers we used to go to his Dads house and they all ate with chopsticks and that's what they gave me to use lol. It wasn't actually hard after a little practice, the rice is clumpy and thus sticks together in lumps, you also aren't really meant to be trying to pick it up, rice is usually served in a small very round bowl, you bring the bowl to your mouth and use the chopsticks to sweep rice into your mouth. Anything that is difficult to eat with chopsticks or impossible you traditionally just use a spoon.
Title: Re: What's up with chopsticks?
Post by: Kafein on June 19, 2013, 05:02:15 pm
Haven't used chopsticks for years but they're not as bad as some people seem to think. One of my best mates is Half Chinese Half Vietnamese and when we were teenagers we used to go to his Dads house and they all ate with chopsticks and that's what they gave me to use lol. It wasn't actually hard after a little practice, the rice is clumpy and thus sticks together in lumps, you also aren't really meant to be trying to pick it up, rice is usually served in a small very round bowl, you bring the bowl to your mouth and use the chopsticks to sweep rice into your mouth. Anything that is difficult to eat with chopsticks or impossible you traditionally just use a spoon.

Did you ever ask them why are asian spoons so well engineered in order to yield maximum awkwardness of use ?

I mean this :

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