cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: dreadnok on June 14, 2013, 09:47:40 pm
Title: why do slow 1h hit like shit
Post by: dreadnok on June 14, 2013, 09:47:40 pm
I been doing some testing. I was able to one shot a guy with no head armor with a regular niudao that has 32 cut and with 8 PS. Next test I used a masterwork iron battle axe which has 39 cut with 8 PS and weighs 3 pounds. Most people without head armor lasted 2 to 3 shots. Just weird. The niuwedao is 101 speed and the axe is 96. Anyone else notice this?
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Post by: Paul on June 14, 2013, 11:21:04 pm
Redo the test with 100 iterations to get a signficant result. Anecdotal evidence bullshitting is retarded.
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Post by: Jarold on June 14, 2013, 11:57:09 pm
Is this a troll thread?
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Post by: Smoothrich on June 15, 2013, 12:01:20 am
Its the warband RNG, damage is random as fuck (its stupid)
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Post by: Vodner on June 15, 2013, 12:16:51 am
I suspect it may be down to footwork / timing errors, due to being unaccustomed to the slower speed. I know when I go from fastest speed to medium speed, I tend to land sloppy hits due to turning too much and moving too early. I expect going from a faster 1h to a slower 1h would cause the same kinds of issues.
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Its the warband RNG, damage is random as fuck (its stupid)
Against somebody with no head armor, the damage variation due to randomness should only be 10% (you can do between 90% and 100% of your raw damage). It's when armor comes into play that things start to get really random (soak and reduce can vary anywhere from 45% to 100%).
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Post by: Tore on June 15, 2013, 01:29:33 am
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Post by: San on June 15, 2013, 02:14:24 am
Don't know why we have a random damage modifier when we have enough factors that alter damage.
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Post by: dreadnok on June 15, 2013, 03:48:03 am
Redo the test with 100 iterations to get a signficant result. Anecdotal evidence bullshitting is retarded.
Bullshit. I'd say over 30 fucking gens is enough testing for fucksake. Same end results. It isn't a troll thread at all. Its weapon speed adds a lot more to damage on a strike than higher damage and slow swingspeed. The perfect weapon so far is a broad 1h battle axe. Both great damage and speed. The alternate steel pick with 31 blunt and 101 speed is great
Title: Re: why do slow 1h hit like shit
Post by: dreadnok on June 15, 2013, 03:56:43 am
Just use a mW iron waraxe, it has 40 cut but hits like a pillow. I swear I'm not being a troll. You really are better off with fast weapons no matter the damage
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Post by: dreadnok on June 15, 2013, 03:57:29 am
On a side note thx for reading this thread tho Paul.
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Post by: Macropus on June 15, 2013, 08:13:45 am
Another funny thread by dreadnok. Good.
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Post by: Duster on June 15, 2013, 08:25:17 am
With slower weapons, you need to turn into the swing more. Work on your technique, brother.
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Post by: dreadnok on June 15, 2013, 05:23:12 pm
With slower weapons, you need to turn into the swing more. Work on your technique, brother.
You don't have to a fast weaker weapon tho. Its not a funny thread its the truth. Majority of you assholes are 2h and pole arm. Your thoughts are invalid. I wanna know a 40 cut fucking has to hit a peasant 3 times a 35 cut niudao can one shot them.
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Post by: sF_Guardian on June 15, 2013, 05:35:30 pm
Calm down and rethink, mostly helps :D
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Post by: Kafein on June 16, 2013, 02:33:57 am
With faster weapons, hitting early isn't that critical so you can afford to be right in the middle of the sweetspot.
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Post by: Tibe on June 16, 2013, 10:15:58 am
Bullshit. I'd say over 30 fucking gens is enough testing for fucksake. Same end results. It isn't a troll thread at all. Its weapon speed adds a lot more to damage on a strike than higher damage and slow swingspeed. The perfect weapon so far is a broad 1h battle axe. Both great damage and speed. The alternate steel pick with 31 blunt and 101 speed is great
Why do you argue with the devs about the gamemechanics? They made it. "30 fucking gens" doesnt say shit. There are loads of veteran players with assloads of gens who are still wrong as hell when it comes to discussing about the mechanics. Its soo bloody random, that there really is no black and white in this. The code is a fact, your "testing" will forever be your own opinion.
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Post by: [ptx] on June 16, 2013, 10:45:03 am
Because placebo.
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Post by: Phew on June 17, 2013, 03:51:42 pm
Dread, respec longsword and never rage about game mechanics again.
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Post by: Kafein on June 17, 2013, 04:34:13 pm
Why do you argue with the devs about the gamemechanics? They made it. "30 fucking gens" doesnt say shit. There are loads of veteran players with assloads of gens who are still wrong as hell when it comes to discussing about the mechanics. Its soo bloody random, that there really is no black and white in this. The code is a fact, your "testing" will forever be your own opinion.
So because they are developers they cant be wrong? 30 gens is enough playing time to realize that what I said is true enough. The war axe hits like a fucking pillow compared to niuweidao.
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Post by: dreadnok on June 26, 2013, 02:53:35 pm
And I don't drink. Besides this game is slanted towards 2h and pole, so I do not take a developers answer to heart
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Post by: Rebelyell on June 26, 2013, 02:57:54 pm
L2P
1h have good weapon ofset so you hit yours enemy head more often=more dmg
2h have hard time with head hits because animation starts relatively low compared to 1h, smae with polearms but if you are skilled enough you can hit your enemy head most of the time and end fight in 1 or 2 hits
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Post by: Fuma Kotaro on June 26, 2013, 03:32:22 pm
first of all the srranid 1h axes are awesome now to your statement Noone in crpg is standing still and hits without holding (only when speed is needed you do that) and you get a certain multiplicator to your base damage (I think at 0.5 sec the highest m) and since the sarranid axes do more base damage they get more damage added when they hold their swing so you can easily 2-3hit tincans with your current build when you need at least 3 mostly more hits to kill a tincan with a niuweidao that was for heavy armors/builds for midgear it takes 1-2 hits for the axe and for the niuweidao mostly 2 if not 3 so what we got from now axe give you the chance to kill your opponents faster even though the niuweidao is faster and longer but since the silly nudges were added that doesn't matter that much anymore and now we are coming to the naked guys (I skip the light armored guys since it is almost the same) the only guys running around like this are either the total newcomers or those who cant afford more or a few berserks who cannot block and kafein since you know that you will 1hit the first two group anyways with both weapons berserks will be easy to kill aswell because you block with your weapon make a right swing and then a fast left swing (for the niuweidao) and he is dead for the axe you just make an overhead and he is gone aswell before you even realize it (kafein is a naked nude retreating to his moulin rouge so he doesnt matter) so the axe is better in all cases until now when it is about damage output now we still have the better range and speed those two factors are importan when you fight against cav but all 1h are shitty against cav then it matters when you fight multiple people aswell but if you are skilled enough you can do it eitherwhise will be continued
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Post by: dreadnok on June 26, 2013, 04:34:30 pm
1h have good weapon ofset so you hit yours enemy head more often=more dmg
2h have hard time with head hits because animation starts relatively low compared to 1h, smae with polearms but if you are skilled enough you can hit your enemy head most of the time and end fight in 1 or 2 hits [/quote
Ya 2h overhead ghost reaches sure are hard to land. Do you need to hit in the head when 2 sideswings or a lolstab do the trick. Also shove that l2p leet internet ttalk up your ass. And guardian I didn't even bother reading the shit wrote after you said the Arabian 1h are awesome. So awesome you can't trade things, even for aids. I'm not talking about 2h in any way shoe or form
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Post by: dreadnok on June 26, 2013, 04:36:49 pm
Disregard guardian. I read it and liked the way you put it. But I still disregard. 7 PS and I had to hit a medium armor dude 6 tines3 headshots. You ccan't hold attacks against any 2 h by the way
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Post by: dreadnok on June 26, 2013, 04:38:09 pm
I have 0 prob with 2h. The high slow weeps destroy. Just the 1 handers
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Post by: Rebelyell on June 26, 2013, 06:46:10 pm
l2 forum and l2 quote too
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 26, 2013, 06:49:02 pm