Everyone knows , that the tune makes the sound ...
The sound of cRPG - mainly ingame - can be disturbing and hostile for young humans. Exessive violent and sexual harassing aswell as other strong vocabulary and themes represent a big part of ingame-communication between players. This causes an unpleasant and unacceptable enviroment for children (even older children;) and results in agressive and violent ingame-behavior, potentially emotional disorders and other problems, related to character development for upgrowing people.
Mutability and teamhitting-detection does not sufficiently solve the issue, since its not directing the course for the overall style of communication.
suggestions:
1) encourage admins to watch more for language missusage and themes
2) encourage admins to function as positive ideal for use of language and themes
3) supply tools to admins to warn and penalize players for language missuse
(e.g. staged warnings like those for teamhitting)
3) public offer for help players on vocal harassment and related problems ( e.g. in IRC)
This is a game simulating violent fighting, if someone on the internet calling you a my old friend or talking about sucking dick has any real influence on you you're gonna be much more bothered by people being violently stabbed to death by overpowered longswords.
asfar as i know an admin already can choose to punish a player for excessive chat abuse, and even on forum, banrequests can be made. i dont know what kind of recourses you think this indy mod community has... but i think you are going abit to far.I find your argument a bit contrary , since you mention an already existing functionallity for admins. My suggestion merely aims to encourage admins for more awareness about language issues, and perhaps using functionality (which appears to be already there, unnoticed by me and propably the majority of the community), which i do not find to be going "to far" ;)
First off, as an admin, this will only add unnecessary work and make me hated more among the community. The only necessary "chat censorship" that needs to be, and actually already is in effect, is for things that get out of hand, such as racism, personal harassment & chat spam on a larger scale. I'm not here to slap you on the wrist for saying a naughty word!
We have the tools to deal with language misuse as well, but that includes what I listed above, not for someone typing out the "F word", and it just not our job to be stopping people from doing so. The closest thing that could be implemented would be an optional "chat filter" but to be honest, that would be a lot of pointless programming time that could be better spent doing other things.
As a player, I don't find it all that offensive and I like the choice that I have between being a raging twelve year old f'ing and blinding left, right and center or writing a half decent coherent sentence. As I say with my admin views, as long as you're not going out of your way to be a twat towards me, you're in the green.
There are labels on boxes, in game messages and all sorts with any type of game that says "We do not accept responsibility for what happens online and the ratings may change and do not apply to online game play" - That says something about games developers and the relationship they have with allowing people to chat amongst each other.
But at the end of the day, there are built in options for people to mute others they find too rude, it's just times when I wish I could local mute someone because they're annoying me but technically do not break any rules, therefore not warranting a global mute.
The bottom line is that you're playing a hyper violent war game where you murder people round after round, minute after minute, trying to avoid death yourself. If someone is impressionable enough to be negatively effected by "bad" words, they should not be playing violent video games depicting death and murder and warfare. These violent images and simulations are going to be far more damaging than some naughty words.I really dont know why poeple always try to downplay the relevance of utilized language. Its the base for all social interactions and most people will know the paradigmatic correlation of language and behavior.
Reminds me of the situation in America where violence and death are just fine to put on tv, but any sort of nudity or sexuality is completely off limits. Same with bad language, there's still really tame "swear words" that are censored on tv, but they're okay with showing people getting killed or murdered or assaulted.
BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA ANOTHER BLA BLA BLA, SOME MORE BLA BLA BLA
Eventhough i do understand and respect your PoV in a sense of "doability" and responsibility for other peoples behavior, I must add that the common behavioral principies in the game environment should lie in the interrest of the game makers, since it directly reflects upon the gaming-experiance and thus, its success and its population. Accordingly , the inherit social structuring of the population and the behavioral standards direct, WHO is playing the game , with WHICH interrests (who will scare away who ?).(click to show/hide)
As an game admins purpose also lies (at least partially) in ensuring the successfull delivery of the intended game experiance to a player, i do consider its job (partially) is also to represent and shape the intended experiance in a manner of its social representation in the game. Ofcourse i know , that this is all big theory, but in the end it comes down to "who is representing the community standards", which should be an admin rather than a troll right ? So far, regarding the "how far do admins responsibilities reach".
All iam saying is , that "alot of unnecessary work" accounts only up to the point where its really "unecessary" and also might or might not possibly cause alot of "unnecessary work" later on ... along with alot of "unpleasant work" .
I really dont know why poeple always try to downplay the relevance of utilized language. Its the base for all social interactions and most people will know the paradigmatic correlation of language and behavior.
I'm not downplaying the relevance of utilized language, and there's no correlation between language and behavior. You seem to be forgetting that words have no power unless you choose to give them power. As displayed in the classic literary example of "I know you are, but what am I?"i dont say "words have power" i say , that "vocal and 'physical' appeariance are related" (physical as in: abuse of game mechanics to harass other players)... language and ingame-behavior have a correlation ; that does not mean, i cant handle words, it does mean, that rude language invites rude behavior ;)
Micah, are you a male or a female??to you iam an antibody :wink:
I've probably been more "verbally abused" irl than the majority of people playing this game, yet I've somehow managed to never really give a fuck, words can only upset you if you give them meaning, or if they're true and you're deeply unhappy with yourself/whateverthathasmeaningtoyouthatisbeinginsulted. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me.
WELCOME TO THE INTERNET, YOU CAN'T STOP MY IN-GAME USE OF CAPS+INSULTS, I TROLL THE CHAT WITH MY WORDSFU NOOB :mrgreen:
STUPID NOOBS, L2P my old friendCHER/NO-SKILL CAV LOOoOoOoOSERRRR
There is no problem.Wasnt you german ?
Words =: bad
Words => missbehavior => game no fun => more missbehavior => admin work => lazy admin unhappy :(
Words =: good
Words => no missbehavior => game fun => game played => lazy admin happy :D
Just to put it into perspective, I took a break for about a year and when I came back few days ago, the chat is such a mess I was quite taken aback. Year ago, people were getting muted, kicked and banned for the kind of shit that happens in the ingame chat today. I'm not a puritan, I don't mind offensive language, but when every single line in a chat is someone calling someone else gay/my old friend/retard/dickhead/asshole/whatever else, better yet in caps lock, it gets a bit tiring. The amount of hate in the chat is staggering.
But from Tenne's post, I guess that the admins prefer to go with the flow rather than do something that would make them unpopular with the community, it was bound to happen.