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Title: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on May 22, 2013, 07:36:54 am
I dont play, nor have I ever even owned a xbox before. But oh boy, the shit I heard about it makes me happy im hooked on PC for life. Pitty it will have alot of exclusives thou.
Firstly. Da fuck name? Xbox one? I mean lol. "You have the new xbox? Fuck yea. I got xbox 1!"

Second no used games. I remember enjoying the fruits of constantly trading disks on playstation with my fellow people, xboxfans not being able to switch games is quite sad. Also that means hoarding the new xbox games is rather pointless. Cause if you one day plan to sell your collection, its pretty much worthless, I think.

Also this one is the most laughable shit of all. EA partnership! EA announced not so long ago that they are removing some wierd online pass system or some shit cause it was stupid and greedy. And people got confused, thinking that mybe EA isnt such a huge scumbag afterall. Couldnt have been anymore wrong. Im quite sure this is another one of EA-s scam to steal your money,  to not have used games. Cause they will be making alot of exclusives for the Xbox one, which means most profit for them. If this is true, I belive that EA is litterally pushing it, to see how much robbery the gamers can really take.

Ofcourse like I said in the beginning. I dont play Xbox and I dont know alot about xbox. I just wrote what I read on from some of the sources. In short, discuss. I am interested to know what do people who acctually know about this stuff think.

Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: [ptx] on May 22, 2013, 08:15:04 am
Never owned a console, no regrets
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Vibe on May 22, 2013, 08:37:47 am
#PCgamingmasterrace
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Molly on May 22, 2013, 08:48:20 am
Never owned a console, no regrets
This, really.

Although there are a few games I always wanted to get on the PC but those are not enough to make me care.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on May 22, 2013, 09:19:36 am
I've owned a SEGA, xbox (you know, the first one...) and now a PS3.

SEGA and xbox I owned simply because I spent the summers without a computer, so it was a way of playing games when I had no access to my PC.

My PS3 is a glorified DVD player. Only games I've really played on it is Red Dead Redemption and LA Noire + FIFA with friends.

No regrets here either.

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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Nehvar on May 22, 2013, 09:53:54 am
Sony's stock actually started to go up as the Xbox One reveal progressed.  Kinda funny, that.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Bjord on May 22, 2013, 09:56:01 am
Microsoft can get fucked in the ass for all I care.

EA as well, they can fuck off to hell.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on May 22, 2013, 10:35:47 am
I'm interested in the technical details. The PS4 was distinctly underwhelming from that point of view and only a dash above my PC. Struggling to find any details on the Xbox other than 8gb ram.

The only thing that can be said for it is the all in one concept. If they can pull that off properly it will take a significant market of people who don't want several computers, a console, a blu-ray player and other stuff. Instead now they can just buy an Xbox 1 and have all of those.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on May 22, 2013, 12:19:02 pm
I'm interested in the technical details. The PS4 was distinctly underwhelming from that point of view and only a dash above my PC. Struggling to find any details on the Xbox other than 8gb ram.

Same CPU cores (AMD Jaguar) but unlike PS4 this thing probably has those GPU cores that are inside regular desktop APU, while PS4 has something comparable to Radeon 7850 in terms of computing power. Another difference is RAM, PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM we can find on desktop graphics cards but memory controller is redesigned so that both CPU and GPU use the same memory pool (they call it unified memory). Xbox One has 8GB of regular DDR3 RAM we all have in our machines but also has a bit of extra fast eDRAM to speed up transition of data between CPU and GPU.

This is somewhat based on rumours but looking at their spec sheet, it's mostly correct. Xbox One is noticeably weaker console than PS4. That is why graphics they have shown is also a lot worse than what Sony have shown. For example, Call of Duty Ghosts doesn't look as good like Crysis 3 on PC.

But this isn't a console, it's more of a home entertainment system for the whole family.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Logen on May 22, 2013, 12:23:31 pm
Red Dead Redemption
that game justified bying the xbox for me
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: B3RS3RK on May 22, 2013, 12:51:23 pm
I say one fucking word to all the haters:

Halo.

More than enough reason for me to buy the xbox360, will be enough reason for me to buy the xbox 1, too.

Also: Uncomplicated Co-op.Have a friend over and want to play videogames together?Oh you dont have a console?Well pity you then, because you either have to have 2 Computer-set ups ready or your friend has to bring his.No spontaneous co-op sessions for you(Except over the internet, but it´s better if you can pop a few beers with your buddys while playing).

And, lastly: Football and Racing games are way more enjoyable(At least for me) on consoles than they are on PC.


Overall, it is that the consoles are just less complicated than PC´s.Not that a PC is actually complicated in terms of playing and so on, but still more than a console is.

If I had to choose, I´d prefer my PC anytime, but it´s nice to have both.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on May 22, 2013, 12:56:02 pm
Meh I haven't overly enjoyed Halo since the first one.

The social side is really the only benefit of consoles that I can see.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Christo on May 22, 2013, 01:02:14 pm
The social side is really the only benefit of consoles that I can see.

Yeah, bunch of 12 year olds yelling in the mic about what kind of sexual interactions they had with your mother, is a great benefit.   :)
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on May 22, 2013, 02:09:33 pm
Yeah, bunch of 12 year olds yelling in the mic about what kind of sexual interactions they had with your mother, is a great benefit.   :)

Haha I meant more the friends in living room gaming. Limiting any interaction with consoles kiddies over the internet if of the utmost importance  :)
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on May 22, 2013, 02:10:06 pm
If all you want is splitscreen fun with friends, you would be much better off buying a PS2 or even a wii.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Polobow on May 22, 2013, 02:15:19 pm
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tor! on May 22, 2013, 02:35:19 pm
Only reason for me to ever have a console is to play Fifa with friends. And throw all these totally legally downloaded shows on my ps3 and watch them on my TV.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on May 22, 2013, 03:32:25 pm
You'll have to buy a new console for FIFA, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on May 22, 2013, 03:35:33 pm
Is this year's FIFA that much better than last year's ?
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on May 22, 2013, 03:41:18 pm
I haven't owned Fifa since 2005. As much as I love football and football games I'm not going to buy a console and a new game every year just to play it. Though I suppose at least with a copy of Fifa you can get away with transferring players for a few years to keep the teams up to date.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on May 22, 2013, 03:43:14 pm
Besides, if you buy a 500$ console for ONE GAME, you are dumb. No exceptions.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on May 22, 2013, 04:29:02 pm
That is rather true. I never wanted that piece of garbage xbox anyway. I find HALO to be a stupid franchise and PS3 is better. But the only reasons I even sometimes consider owning a PS3 was cause of "Red Dead:Redeption", "Infamous" and "Uncharted". But thats still not enough reason to buy it. And blu-ray/dvd player/ kinect? Who the fuck cares about Blu-ray? Buy a smart-tv with HD screen, download a HD torrent stick it in the TV via USB and you all set. Nobody really wants to watch that superduper futuristic blu-ray that bad anyway. The console will probably cost a fuckloads too, considering its EA and Microsoft doing some shit, it means its probably overpriced as hell. Im quite sure you would get a pretty good TV for the cost of the new xbox.....
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tor! on May 22, 2013, 04:32:46 pm
I should rephrase: the only reason I'm keeping it still is because of Fifa. I would have sold it along with all the games I have if it hadnt been for it. It's the first edition PS3 I have, so I've had it for a while. Almost exclusively co-op / 2 player games, RE, tekken, fifa, SC, some racing games etc. I played Uncharted singleplayer, think thats about it. Having beers, premier league night, fifa in between with a bunch of friends is pretty great.

Fifa does improve every year, but not enough to justify buying a new game. It's EA afterall  :P Better to skip every 2nd year and wait for your unpatient friends to buy it  8-)
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Grumbs on May 22, 2013, 04:41:33 pm

If I ever get a console it will most likely be whatever Valve come up with for their Steam Box (or whatever they called it). Would be great if it was even portable for playing steam games
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on May 22, 2013, 04:49:41 pm
This year's FIFA on PC will be X360/PS3 port.

I'm fan of Pro Evolution Soccer but sadly, it has been pure crap for the better part of previous generation. That's why I haven't played much football simulation games in past 3 years. I've tried FIFA but... not my cup of tea.

KONAMI could deliver this year, with Fox engine and hopefully much better AI.

I don't care about licences, I play on HTPC with friends and fan made patches come out few days after launch.

I really see no reason to buy next gen console. KONAMI games will be released on PC, same goes for CAPCOM games, Dark Souls 2 will be on PC. EA crap probably will be timed exclusive but I don't play their games anymore. Sony exclusives apart from Uncharted (which I enjoyed) are mostly overhyped slightly bellow average games. And Xbox exclusives are downright retarded, with Gears of War leading the race.

PC: Star Citizen, Melee: Battlegrounds, Mount&Blade: Bannerlord, Battlefield 4 VCE (Visual Clarity Edition), GTAV VCE, Elder Scrolls VI VCE, Half Life 3, pCARS, Assetto Corsa, Project Eternity, Torment, Dark Souls 2 and so on...

Xbox One: Forza 5, Gears of Wars: Bro Code, Mass Errect 4 and bunch of other crappy, low res, low fps versions of multiplatform games

PS4: Same as above but their exclusives are a bit better.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on May 22, 2013, 05:06:18 pm

If I ever get a console it will most likely be whatever Valve come up with for their Steam Box (or whatever they called it). Would be great if it was even portable for playing steam games

So let me get this straight. If I get Xbox One, I get to play "CoD:Ghosts" on it. An unreleased game thats biggest highlight is having a dog for a teammate..........*long akward silence*.........................................

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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on May 22, 2013, 05:12:12 pm
Xbox the next water cooler... okay

next thing I don't own :lol:
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on May 22, 2013, 05:15:59 pm
that game justified bying the xbox for me

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hmm... I own this title for ps3.



oh, i see... there is no PC version... :) stupid me
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Casimir on May 22, 2013, 05:46:43 pm
I think the news that this isn't going to be a big gaming console comes as no surprise. The only time they've even talked about games before the reveal was the announcement of CoD being announced at the xbox announcement.

No justification for a 'gamer' to buy the One over a ps4 / pc. Hell even the WiiU is more focused on games.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on May 22, 2013, 05:51:51 pm
"Red Dead:Rede(m)ption"

Me and a few others I know are really sore about that not being released on PC. Always wanted to play it  :cry:
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on May 22, 2013, 06:34:12 pm
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: B3RS3RK on May 22, 2013, 06:42:55 pm
That is rather true. I never wanted that piece of garbage xbox anyway. I find HALO to be a stupid franchise and PS3 is better. But the only reasons I even sometimes consider owning a PS3 was cause of "Red Dead:Redeption", "Infamous" and "Uncharted". But thats still not enough reason to buy it. And blu-ray/dvd player/ kinect? Who the fuck cares about Blu-ray? Buy a smart-tv with HD screen, download a HD torrent stick it in the TV via USB and you all set. Nobody really wants to watch that superduper futuristic blu-ray that bad anyway. The console will probably cost a fuckloads too, considering its EA and Microsoft doing some shit, it means its probably overpriced as hell. Im quite sure you would get a pretty good TV for the cost of the new xbox.....

Herp derp merp Fanboy talk.

Halo is fucking awesome, the gameplay has not really changed over the years, that´s true ,but the story behind it is simply awesome and it is one of the BEST co-op games for consoles.Also, PS3 is NOT better.They are basically the same.The graphics are pretty much the same, only difference is that you dont have to pay for online on PS3(Well, I guess we´ve seen what kind of big advantage that is...)and the gamepads, which highly depend on individual taste(Oh, and the Blu-ray player, but since "Nobody really wants to watch that superduper futuristic blu-ray that bad anyway", I guess that doesnt matter).The exclusive games on each console also differ, but again, individual taste.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on May 22, 2013, 06:50:20 pm
Halo Reach (played co-op at friends house) had the worst graphics I've seen in last 10 years. Game was quite awful as well. I've played way better FPS games in 1997 when I was 10 years old. Actually those games are better than the most console FPS games I've tried (Duke Nukem 3D and Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight).
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: IR_Kuoin on May 22, 2013, 06:57:58 pm
What I don't like about the newer "console" games is that they are almost strictly 1 player. Almost no split-screen singleplayer games are made anymore. On Ps3 I have 1 game that can be played on splitscreen. On my Ps2 all of my games can be played with a friend on split-screen. Like SSX3 which is the only game that makes me still play PS2 occasionally.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on May 22, 2013, 07:08:37 pm
Herp derp merp Fanboy talk.

Halo is fucking awesome, the gameplay has not really changed over the years, that´s true ,but the story behind it is simply awesome and it is one of the BEST co-op games for consoles.

I have never ever understood people who say this. I like the first. Enjoyed the second and have found the others boring but it had nothing to do with the story. The story was rubbish all the way through. Have to say the co-op was good though.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on May 22, 2013, 07:34:33 pm
I find good stories reading books, if you play a game mostly for the scenario but think the gameplay is meh, there is something amiss. The Halo series is among the best of its genre though, for a gamepad FPS that is.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: B3RS3RK on May 22, 2013, 08:19:43 pm
I have never ever understood people who say this. I like the first. Enjoyed the second and have found the others boring but it had nothing to do with the story. The story was rubbish all the way through. Have to say the co-op was good though.

It´s not so much the story of the campaign, but the setting and the BIG story behind it.

The Concept is not entirely new, I grant you that, but it´s really fascinating.You should try and read some Halo books, there are really good among them.

It is a well- thought out Sci-Fi setting as it is rarely ever seen in games

Also, I dont think the gameplay is meh.I said it didnt change much and is not really innovative; For me, it doesnt need to be.The gameplay is awesome as it is, why would I want it to change?
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Vibe on May 22, 2013, 08:33:38 pm
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on May 22, 2013, 08:48:51 pm
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lol good one. But seriuslly. Xbox 1? What are they fucking retarded? Even if its all-in-one its still incredibly stupid to call it 1. The name itself already suggest its made by morons.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Gurnisson on May 22, 2013, 08:49:00 pm
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Nintendo 64 and Commodore 64 nips in to take the trophy.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: zagibu on May 22, 2013, 08:50:58 pm
Atari 2000?
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on May 22, 2013, 08:52:04 pm
Xbox the next water cooler... okay

next thing I don't own :lol:

I'd buy it if it actually cooled water. That's pretty neat.

lol good one. But seriuslly. Xbox 1? What are they fucking retarded? Even if its all-in-one its still incredibly stupid to call it 1. The name itself already suggest its made by morons.

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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on May 22, 2013, 08:52:29 pm
The its all-in-one marketing doesnt work for me at all anymore. We have cellphones with HD screens that do the work of atleast 100 devices. Them stacking loads of shit into one cube isnt very impressive anymore. Why call them smartphones? Call them "Phone One's". Xbox logic...
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on May 22, 2013, 08:55:04 pm
lol good one. But seriuslly. Xbox 1? What are they fucking retarded? Even if its all-in-one its still incredibly stupid to call it 1. The name itself already suggest its made by morons.

It is a bit bizarre. The worst part is someone probably got paid a shed load of money to come up with it and several other names. Then a group of people sat around, discussed it and went 'well guys, I think we have a winner here. Xbox 1'. Can't understand how anyone settled on that without considering how dumb it sounds. Not to mention how ugly it is. Haven't spoken to a single person who likes the look of it.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Malaclypse on May 22, 2013, 09:17:34 pm
The only console I need is Playstation (the first one) and a copy of Monster Rancher.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Vibe on May 22, 2013, 10:30:58 pm
It is a bit bizarre. The worst part is someone probably got paid a shed load of money to come up with it and several other names. Then a group of people sat around, discussed it and went 'well guys, I think we have a winner here. Xbox 1'. Can't understand how anyone settled on that without considering how dumb it sounds. Not to mention how ugly it is. Haven't spoken to a single person who likes the look of it.

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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on May 22, 2013, 10:47:40 pm
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: IR_Kuoin on May 22, 2013, 10:57:18 pm
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Gotta love that guy :P
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on May 22, 2013, 10:57:40 pm
Mr Fatso is still pretty annoying
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Nehvar on May 24, 2013, 09:14:22 pm
The Xbox One reveal has been a great source of laughs.

Amazon UK Wii-U sales up 875% following Xbox One reveal. (http://www.justpushstart.com/2013/05/wii-u-sales-skyrocket-from-amazon-uk-following-xbox-one-reveal/)

Xbox One may have sold Wii-U better than Nintendo. (http://www.inquisitr.com/672511/xbox-one-may-have-sold-wii-u-better-than-nintendo/)

Good job, Microsoft.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leesin on May 25, 2013, 02:57:46 pm
Regardless of Microsofts fail, I wouldn't ever dream of buying a Nintendo console nowadays, as much as they say it's to "compete" with PS4 and Xbox One, it's not really. It appeals way more to the "family" types and kids, sure 'serious' console gamers might get one, but I bet they'll get either a PS4 or an Xbox One before they do, either that or they're just a massive Nintendo fan.

Most of the games I tried on that last Wii thing, I wasn't impressed at all, there are only a few decent serious games and I'd have to play it with a controller as I found motion control to be a massive gimmick. The hardware isn't capable of running anything that is going to look good compared to the Xbox One and PS4 ( I'd be surprised if it even manages to surpass the 360 and PS3's visuals ) and it's probably just going to have 90% of its games designed for kids, families or fanboys.

Not saying it's a bad console, just saying I don't feel Nintendo is even in the same market as Microsoft and Sony anymore.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on May 25, 2013, 03:32:29 pm
Regardless of Microsofts fail, I wouldn't ever dream of buying a Nintendo console nowadays, as much as they say it's to "compete" with PS4 and Xbox One, it's not really. It appeals way more to the "family" types and kids, sure 'serious' console gamers might get one, but I bet they'll get either a PS4 or an Xbox One before they do, either that or they're just a massive Nintendo fan.

Most of the games I tried on that last Wii thing, I wasn't impressed at all, there are only a few decent serious games and I'd have to play it with a controller as I found motion control to be a massive gimmick. The hardware isn't capable of running anything that is going to look good compared to the Xbox One and PS4 ( I'd be surprised if it even manages to surpass the 360 and PS3's visuals ) and it's probably just going to have 90% of its games designed for kids, families or fanboys.

Not saying it's a bad console, just saying I don't feel Nintendo is even in the same market as Microsoft and Sony anymore.

I guess. They definitely aren't in the same market, but then that's a good thing because they have their own niche. I'd pick a Wii for the family fun as it were over the other consoles. Due to price but also because I'm a PC gamer  :P Probably explains the increase of Amazon sales for the Wii.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leesin on May 26, 2013, 05:38:06 pm
Well with that being said, if Microsoft are really serious about this "Must have kinect connected to use the console" then they can fucking do one, I don't want a Kinect, never have done, never will, I'll be interested in motion control gaming when it's actually good, in about 50 years, if I'm still alive and not disabled.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on May 26, 2013, 05:55:03 pm
I seriuslly dont get why are they forcing motioncontrollers so heavly down on people these days. Like Lessin said, the motiontec sucks. Its an unresposive mess. Either its selling well, despite this clear fact, that is known to absolutely everyone who ever used a motioncontroller before or they are simply trying to fool us
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on May 27, 2013, 03:57:30 pm
I seriuslly dont get why are they forcing motioncontrollers so heavly down on people these days. Like Lessin said, the motiontec sucks. Its an unresposive mess. Either its selling well, despite this clear fact, that is known to absolutely everyone who ever used a motioncontroller before or they are simply trying to fool us

Well, imo console controllers are an extremely unnatural and imprecise way of manipulating anything on the screen... They really really suck. PC mouse is a 40 year old invention, that utilizes a 2D motions for 3D environment, if one might put it that way... Precise, but hardly optimal for 3D gaming. I really want some new hardware!
 
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Give me these badboys! Something as precise as a mouse, but with a 3D movement! Yay!
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on May 27, 2013, 10:16:56 pm
Well, imo console controllers are an extremely unnatural and imprecise way of manipulating anything on the screen... They really really suck. PC mouse is a 40 year old invention, that utilizes a 2D motions for 3D environment, if one might put it that way... Precise, but hardly optimal for 3D gaming. I really want some new hardware!
 
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Give me these badboys! Something as precise as a mouse, but with a 3D movement! Yay!

Critical downside : where do I rest my elbows ?
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on May 27, 2013, 10:49:43 pm
It's amazing how willing Microsoft are to completely shit all over their fanbase in an attempt to have more control over what their users do on their Xbox, I really hope this console fails horribly, Microsoft probably wouldn't learn a thing from it and would just try to shove even more shit down their fanbases throat, but still. I wonder if they're still charging money for having an internet connection now that it's a requirement to even fucking play singleplayer games... :lol:
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on May 28, 2013, 05:39:04 am
I have to say that Playstation won long ago. Even with the 360. I remember when my aunt bought a 360 and some racing game. And she got seriuslly pissed off cause she couldnt understand what the fuck was a LIVE account was and why it was required and loads of other shit and a monthly fee. She was all like, fuck, why isnt this like an NES. Pop a disc in and play without any hasseling. The PS always beated the Xbox over that. Its amazing how they havent learned a damn thing and even took steps closer to the cliff with this new Onething, while adding more pointless shit nobody really asked for.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leesin on May 28, 2013, 07:55:38 am
I have to say that Playstation won long ago. Even with the 360. I remember when my aunt bought a 360 and some racing game. And she got seriuslly pissed off cause she couldnt understand what the fuck was a LIVE account was and why it was required and loads of other shit and a monthly fee. She was all like, fuck, why isnt this like an NES. Pop a disc in and play without any hasseling. The PS always beated the Xbox over that. Its amazing how they havent learned a damn thing and even took steps closer to the cliff with this new Onething, while adding more pointless shit nobody really asked for.

Well I actually liked the LIVE service, I found it easy to use and reliable, where as my friends with PS3's were often getting connectivity problems, I didn't really mind paying for it when I was using it.

But I agree that they have gone way overboard with forcing their bullshit onto people, I outright refuse to buy a console which will require me to have a motion control device connected before it even works, among the other bullshit they're pushing into the console scene. Microsoft have pretty much sold me the PS4.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on May 28, 2013, 09:25:36 am
Critical downside : where do I rest my elbows ?

On the table, like the guy in the picture. As an optional solution - the resistance of the device-joints, should be adjustable to the weight of the arms.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Jarold on May 29, 2013, 01:31:36 am
What I hated about Xbox Live ( which is probably misplaced and I should hate EA ) is that when I would buy a game like Battlefield to play online I would have to pay for an online pass for the game!!!! I'm already paying for xbox live, now an online pass for battlefield!
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on May 29, 2013, 05:28:55 am
I belive if Xbox One is gonna be successful afterall. Than in later versions you are gonna have to pay even more for everything. Buy game, buy console, buy internet, buy online pass, pay used games fee, pay for every hour you play a game, pay to lick your controller etc.........

This console just has to fail terribly, or you are gonna get your pockets emptied a lot more for less.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: [ptx] on May 29, 2013, 07:28:14 am
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Vibe on May 29, 2013, 07:40:50 am
Why do they call it Xbox One?
Because it's 359 steps back.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on May 29, 2013, 10:38:45 am
Why do they call it Xbox One?
Because it's 359 steps back.

How the hell did you get unmuted so quickly?.. It was like less than 24h!

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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Vibe on May 29, 2013, 10:46:06 am
How the hell did you get unmuted so quickly?.. It was like less than 24h!

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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on May 29, 2013, 12:02:20 pm
I wonder whether the console allows you to play if you turn the camera towards a wall
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on May 29, 2013, 04:46:24 pm
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: _RXN_ on May 29, 2013, 07:18:19 pm
There's two suns in the new Cod:Ghosts

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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on May 29, 2013, 07:47:14 pm
UGLY ! EXPLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSIONS !
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: _RXN_ on June 15, 2013, 09:48:27 am
These pictures were shot at E3, the Xbox One stand. There's a PC inside the table, running a Nvidia GTX 700 graphic card on the Win 7 OS.

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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Molly on June 15, 2013, 09:52:48 am
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Lannistark on June 15, 2013, 11:27:47 am
Microsoft fucking messed up their plans against Sony. Overall worse hardware, less freedom, bullshit prohibitions, and higher price.

Xbox 360 managed to get ahold of a big portion of the console market - I doubt this will happen as things are now. I definitely wouldn't buy a console just for a single game, that's like saying the game is worth 500$, which sounds stupid at best. Consoles are nice - they have improved the hardware significantly to the point that they bear a x86 architecture now, and the OS seems way cooler in both. The thing is, if PC games used to be a port from consoles, the games would not really use up all of the PC's potential. We'll see what happens now.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on June 15, 2013, 12:47:36 pm
MS vs Sony on this year's E3 was basically Sony waiting for Microsoft to say something bad, then they jump out of the bushes to say the completely oposite thing. I don't find that kind of marketing awesome at all. Both companies are exactly what console crowd deserves.

And Jonathan Blow have proved to be an asshole, acting like Sony PR and stuff. I hope that one day, chadz won't become like J. Blow or M. Persson.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on June 15, 2013, 12:51:34 pm
I hope that one day, chadz won't become like J. Blow or M. Persson.

What has Notch done bad ?
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Christo on June 15, 2013, 02:09:06 pm
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on June 15, 2013, 02:33:22 pm
MS vs Sony on this year's E3 was basically Sony waiting for Microsoft to say something bad, then they jump out of the bushes to say the completely oposite thing. I don't find that kind of marketing awesome at all. Both companies are exactly what console crowd deserves.

They've been doing this for years. That's why it's always been a bit of a gamble to announce first because no matter what the other company will always pick up on the things you've missed out. All Sony had to do was sit and wait for the new Xbox, look at the rage and appropriately address the rage. They've had an easy time of it really but it does make me wonder how many last minute changes they'll be making. For all we know they probably had similar online requirements as the Xbox, seeing as it's the way things have been going for a while, then they saw the rage and decided to under cut on that.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Casimir on June 15, 2013, 02:59:31 pm
So are people actually complaining that a console developer is listening to the legitimate complaint of their target audience and reacting too it? Sony could have done nothing and Xbox would still have ruined themselves: always on, region locking (lol half the EU can't use the system including poland, hungary, portugal), kinect requirement, TV focus, etc.  I don't see what is wrong with Sony simply seeing what the target audience dislikes and saying they won't do that, it's almost like they're responding to consumer feedback and making a product that gamers actually want.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on June 15, 2013, 03:05:22 pm
So are people actually complaining that a console developer is listening to the legitimate complaint of their target audience and reacting too it? Sony could have done nothing and Xbox would still have ruined themselves: always on, region locking (lol half the EU can't use the system including poland, hungary, portugal), kinect requirement, TV focus, etc.  I don't see what is wrong with Sony simply seeing what the target audience dislikes and saying they won't do that, it's almost like they're responding to consumer feedback and making a product that gamers actually want.

It's more the petty competition to gain sales. That's the only reason they have 'listened'. Fact is the Xbox announced first so we have no idea what Sony originally planned but there's definitely a sense of smugness on Sony's part which I don't like seeing as, like Leshma said, they just pretty much under cut everything Microsoft said, with probably no legitimate plans of their own. They are basically going to spend the next however many months, implementing all this stuff they've now promised in retaliation to Microsoft. There's a reason why some people are legitimately worried about the PS4 having a red ring of death scenario as the 360 did in its first year because they will end up rushing a whole bunch of crap.

If Sony had legitimately responded to concerns about the PS3 alone it would be fine. And on their part they have with some stuff, such as the interface. But a whole load of what they said was clearly in direct response to the One.

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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Casimir on June 15, 2013, 03:17:20 pm
Are you telling me that sony wants to sell their system and are responding to feedback to do so?  Shocking behaviour imo, they should definitely just stick to their guns and make a shitty system like Xbox plan on. That's be way better for the console market because then there would be two systems nobody wants to buy.

I do agree that they are being smug bastards and are basically just pushing Xbox into the pool of shit and vomit that they created for themselves. That's not very nice, but they are competitors and i don't really expect much else from the two companies.  Talking about potential hardware faults is kinda pointless as there is noway of knowing whether that will happen or not.

Also AMD is the only winner in this console generation.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on June 15, 2013, 03:20:56 pm
Are you telling me that sony wants to sell their system and are responding to feedback to do so?  Shocking behaviour imo, they should definitely just stick to their guns and make a shitty system like Xbox plan on. That's be way better for the console market because then there would be two systems nobody wants to buy.

I do agree that they are being smug bastards and are basically just pushing Xbox into the pool of shit and vomit that they created for themselves. That's not very nice, but they are competitors and i don't really expect much else from the two companies.  Talking about potential hardware faults is kinda pointless as there is noway of knowing whether that will happen or not.

Also AMD is the only winner in this console generation.

They aren't responding to feedback though, at least not towards their own console. They are responding to criticisms of the new xbox and making it sound as though they were planning to do pretty much the opposite the entire time. Which is obviously complete bollocks. Both companies just piss me off any how.

No there isn't, but Sony clearly are rushing a bunch of stuff and that often means bad things.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on June 15, 2013, 03:29:35 pm
What has Notch done bad ?

Where to start...

He's a hipster. People who worship him are hipsters too.

He stole the idea and presented it as his original idea.

His "followers" are calling anyone who wants to improve on that concept a copycat.

His game was very poorly coded in the beginning but he managed to persuade his band of hipsters that Java is awesome for writing video game engines and that shitty graphics and textures are the new fad.

He's acting all high and almighty by donating tens of thousands of dollars on every Humble Bundle charity auction but no one knows his what is his connection with Humble Bundle creators. One thing is certain, his game was never part of the auction. His game was never on any discount, as well.

He wasted too much money and time to port his game on X360 and now his game is Xbone exclusive.

He's also full of himself and thinks he's some godlike programmer, while he's the completely opposite.

Similar can be said about Jonathan Blow. His game are also "artsy" and basically made for hipsters.

chadz & Co. from what I've seen are cool people and I hope they'll stay "normal" as they are.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on June 15, 2013, 04:14:18 pm
Infiminer was the thing that gave Minecraft the idea right? From what ive heard. Didnt Notch state multible times that he got the idea from Infiminer? And how do you know that chadz & Co are "normal"? We barely know anything about them in general. And who knows, once they hit it big they might turn into cunts.....Crpg doesnt really show anything about them.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tot. on June 15, 2013, 05:21:56 pm
Watching those nextgen consoles duking it out is quite amusing in a way, it's like watching Paralympics.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Christo on June 15, 2013, 06:01:08 pm
Watching those nextgen consoles duking it out is quite amusing in a way, it's like watching Paralympics.

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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on June 15, 2013, 06:09:16 pm
Watching those nextgen consoles duking it out is quite amusing in a way, it's like watching Paralympics.

Except it is socially acceptable to laugh about next gen consoles :D


He's a hipster. People who worship him are hipsters too.

Okay

He stole the idea and presented it as his original idea.

No. He cited several influences.

His "followers" are calling anyone who wants to improve on that concept a copycat.

Even if it's true, that isn't Notch's fault.

His game was very poorly coded in the beginning but he managed to persuade his band of hipsters that Java is awesome for writing video game engines and that shitty graphics and textures are the new fad.

Minecraft graphics aren't "shitty" they are unrealistic. The game does run very sluggishly but given the huge amount of shit going on, I don't know if it's really due to bad coding.

He's acting all high and almighty by donating tens of thousands of dollars on every Humble Bundle charity auction but no one knows his what is his connection with Humble Bundle creators. One thing is certain, his game was never part of the auction. His game was never on any discount, as well.

I agree minecraft is way overpriced.

He wasted too much money and time to port his game on X360 and now his game is Xbone exclusive.

Okay

He's also full of himself and thinks he's some godlike programmer, while he's the completely opposite.

Actually no. I remember he stated he learned a ton of things from his Mojang employees, and continues to do so.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on June 15, 2013, 06:20:07 pm
I agree with Kafein. Which means I agree with Leshma about 50/50. :lol:
He never generally stated that the crap graphics thing is the "new fad". Other people thought it was and wanted to have similar success to Minecraft. Which some did btw. Like for example Terraria.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on June 15, 2013, 06:42:26 pm
Terraria was successful because it was quite different than Minecraft was at that point. It had some things Minecraft didn't and it looked completely different. It's like calling Android an iOS clone. Yes, the original idea was "taken" (we can't surely know that, because some games are a lot longer in development) from Minecraft but later, many things from Terraria were added in Minecraft.

Java was a terrible choice from the start. Only excuse for it could be his desire to run Minecraft on other systems without having to worry much about porting and optimization. You simply do not make 3D engines using programming language (environment) that utilizes virtual machine.

Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on June 15, 2013, 09:19:59 pm
Java is also much easier to quickly and cleanly create something that works without failing than say C++. It is crap for 3D graphics (right now anyway, as that could change in the future), but the differences in CPU related tasks aren't that evident actually. New JVM versions have gotten incredibly good at optimizing your code. Also, they do so at runtime which means they know everything about your PC, which helps compiling to the most efficient native code. C++ applications are usually compiled to run nicely on a broad range of processors which means you don't get the last few % out of very processor-specific hacks. Right now though, you are 100% right. Especially for things like minecraft with a huge visible world, C++ would really be much better.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: cmp on June 15, 2013, 11:58:57 pm
Right now though, you are 100% right. Especially for things like minecraft with a huge visible world, C++ would really be much better.

Minecraft's problem is not Java, it's a mediocre Java programmer.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on June 16, 2013, 12:05:45 am
Minecraft's problem is not Java, it's a mediocre Java programmer.

Well, do you know how is minecraft optimized and what is lacking ? Cause I don't :s
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: cmp on June 16, 2013, 01:01:29 am
Lots of things, although some are getting fixed by the new, more competent developers. The graphics engine is sub par even for that kind of game, lacking some basic features like mipmapping (fixed by mods), but the biggest flaw is probably the absence of proper multi-threading. I can understand core game logic not being threaded (very hard to pull off), but things like chunk loading are perfect candidates for that (IIRC there's a mod for that too).

Also, we're really getting off-topic here. :D
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Ganner on June 16, 2013, 08:25:00 am
Well finally they show some respect for the customer and apologize

Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Molly on June 16, 2013, 08:59:28 am
Really? Microsoft having customer insight? What about this?

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I'm laughing so hard...

Edit: On second thought... Steam is the same shit, isn't it?
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on June 16, 2013, 10:37:47 am
Honestly I think its lot more easy to get banned from LIVE than Steam. But overall yea. Rather have a PS4 where you dont loose all your bought games than Xbox where there is a possibility.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Lennu on June 16, 2013, 11:04:40 am
Only good thing with consoles is that you can play Crash Team Racing with your friends and drink beer.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on June 16, 2013, 11:52:00 am
Really? Microsoft having customer insight? What about this?

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I'm laughing so hard...

Edit: On second thought... Steam is the same shit, isn't it?

Afaik you can only be banned from Steam if you own stolen keys. Which can very well happen without your consent when you buy from shady russian sites. But usually you'll be ok. Your safest bet is to split your games among multiple accounts, but nobody does that.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on June 16, 2013, 12:29:44 pm
I've traded keys with some dude who, immediately after we exchanged keys, went offline and his account was inactive since then. Four months later, my copy of Dead Island was removed from my library, I wasn't banned. But there was plenty of Dead Island stolen keys circulating at that time and I think Steam decided to deactivate them all at once and don't ban anyone who had them.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: cmp on June 16, 2013, 12:31:34 pm
Afaik you can only be banned from Steam if you own stolen keys.

"can be" or "will be"? Because I'm pretty sure you "can be" banned for no reason whatsoever, if Valve feels like it.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leesin on June 16, 2013, 03:51:46 pm
"can be" or "will be"? Because I'm pretty sure you "can be" banned for no reason whatsoever, if Valve feels like it.

Well I think what he means is that Valve only ban for serious issues with proper proof, Microsoft on the other hand, well, I've seen people banned from Xbox LIVE for so much as farting.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on June 16, 2013, 04:39:45 pm
"can be" or "will be"? Because I'm pretty sure you "can be" banned for no reason whatsoever, if Valve feels like it.

Of course they can do whatever the fuck they want to your account on a whim, you basically agreed to that when registering. But pretty much everything works like this nowadays anyway, and Valve is one of the lesser evils.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on June 16, 2013, 05:13:07 pm
Of course they can do whatever the fuck they want to your account on a whim, you basically agreed to that when registering. But pretty much everything works like this nowadays anyway, and Valve is one of the lesser evils.
Real life comparison: Valve is like your buddy who occasionally fucks you over by stealing bit of cash from you and a few beers. Being buddies with Microsoft or EA(origingarbage) means that they fuck your mom every night, piss in your sink and take a shit on your couch.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on June 16, 2013, 06:38:12 pm
Real life comparison: Valve is like your buddy who occasionally fucks you over by stealing bit of cash from you and a few beers. Being buddies with Microsoft or EA(origingarbage) means that they fuck your mom every night, piss in your sink and take a shit on your couch.

I'd say Valve is your intelligent and cultured friend that has a 1% chance every year of leaving with your girlfriend and stealing all your money, when with Microsoft it's more like 20% and he is really stupid and useless all the time.

I just compared a Steam account with a girlfriend.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on June 16, 2013, 06:51:41 pm
Yea, was gonna use the "girlfriend" comparison as well, but than I remembered that this is the Crpg community. No one would relate to it......
Title: Re: The new Xbox
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on June 19, 2013, 04:05:55 pm
BF5 > COD MW<googolplex>

because

cats > dogs, 8th law of the universe
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Vibe on June 19, 2013, 10:15:48 pm
BF5 > COD MW<googolplex>

because

cats > dogs, 8th law of the universe

Lolz trees don't fall far from the apples
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on June 19, 2013, 11:17:24 pm

I lost it at "making blighttown miserable since 2011" lmao.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: B3RS3RK on June 19, 2013, 11:21:53 pm
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microsoft gave in, xbox one now an actual alternative to ps4.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Overdriven on June 19, 2013, 11:42:29 pm
May still be too little to late. Will have to see.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on June 19, 2013, 11:47:45 pm
They are still dicks thou.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on June 19, 2013, 11:49:53 pm
It still costs 100$ more and watches you through Kinect.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on June 20, 2013, 07:54:33 am
Mandatory Xbox One pun:

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Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Kafein on June 20, 2013, 08:12:51 am
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So, a heavy and cumbersome controller :x
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 21, 2013, 03:54:41 pm
It still costs 100$ more and watches you through Kinect.

That's another big thing, a lot of people don't want to purchase to pay for the kinect.  I've also heard other people say they aren't happy that the Xbox is always listening, even when "turned off" (aka you say "Xbox on" to turn it on). 

Also the camera being infrared a piece of paper isn't going to block the camera from seeing what's going on.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 21, 2013, 04:30:34 pm
Yeah, kinect being forced upon people is really stupid. I mean comeon, who actually enjoys games which involve movements irl. Wii is fun for like an hour with a bunch of friends but thats about it, i can hardly imagine kinect being any different.

And how can one trust micro$oft not to readd their restrictions once their console has sold a bunch?  :wink:
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Leshma on June 21, 2013, 06:14:04 pm
I do enjoy such games, but most games that use motion based controllers can be played without moving the whole body. Only games I truly enjoyed on Wii are those coming with Wii Fit.

Hour is more than enough, when I get in better shape I'll be able to play such games for two hours maybe. Since I'm 27 atm, won't have more than couple hours per day for gaming in the future.
Title: Re: The new Xbox
Post by: Tibe on June 21, 2013, 09:08:41 pm
Motiontec is pretty much undeveloped tec. Its still in its diapers and it really doesnt have alot of potential either, when it comes to hardcore gaming. For casual 1 hour max gaming, mybe abit, but not much. Its like  being excited about holograms. Seems epic at the start, but it really doesnt have much to offer for a regular joe, if you think about it.

Motioncontrollers dont really have serius games. Those that do exsist, are unresposive messes. So these random arcady games are the best they can cope with.