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Title: Gothic (series)
Post by: Garond_PL on May 09, 2013, 10:15:30 am
Hi ! I created this thread to discuss about amazing german games.
Gothic's arent so popular in the world like TES so they arent too mainstream (i dont see gothic themed memes in internet xd). My favorite game from series is Gothic I from 2001 year. It was my 1st computer game ! I remember Gorn Lester Milten Lee and other friends of nameless hero (name is too mainstream). Arcania Gothic 4 is a shit !
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: chadz on May 09, 2013, 11:13:04 am
What a shame they never did a part 3If you get what I mean
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Molly on May 09, 2013, 11:58:20 am
Quote from: chadz on May 09, 2013, 11:13:04 am
What a shame they never did a part 3If you get what I mean
Hehe... indeed... superman-hogs killing you in a split second. A shame really. I do have it at Steam tho but I failed to actually give it a try once more. Khorin told me that the community patches do miracles... At the moment I play Risen now and then... guess that's kinda Gothic 3

Gothic 2 tho, awesome game!
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Logen on May 09, 2013, 12:12:53 pm
Quote from: benkei on May 09, 2013, 11:58:20 am
Hehe... indeed... superman-hogs killing you in a split second. A shame really. I do have it at Steam tho but I failed to actually give it a try once more. Khorin told me that the community patches do miracles... At the moment I play Risen now and then... guess that's kinda Gothic 3
You should give it a try now, just dont forget to install community patches and the content mod. Its a good game actually, compared to the shit that came out in recent years.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Garond_PL on May 09, 2013, 12:18:05 pm
New Content Mod adding armours  from gothic 1 and 2 (new models , old version including just new textures)
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Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: chadz on May 09, 2013, 12:18:26 pm
I played Risen a year ago, it was fun in the beginning, but the story was pretty... bad. Not sure how to say it, but I didn't feel like part of the game at all. It was ok for some time, but I quit when
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Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Garond_PL on May 09, 2013, 12:25:59 pm
Risen 2 Dark Waters totally sucks - i dont know why PB made fantasy game in the pirates of caribbean universe ..

Risen is a copy of G2
Paladins - Inquisition
Mercs and Onar - Bandits
Fire Mages - Mages
And Gothic I
Ending with OP Magical armour and magical  weapon (needed to kill the final boss)
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Radament on May 09, 2013, 01:30:46 pm
Loved Gothic 2 , and if you loved it like me  , you shuold try two worlds 2 , underrated game imho :)
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Molly on May 09, 2013, 01:37:07 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 09, 2013, 12:18:26 pm
I played Risen a year ago, it was fun in the beginning, but the story was pretty... bad. Not sure how to say it, but I didn't feel like part of the game at all. It was ok for some time, but I quit when
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I'm not that far yet but it sounds pretty... lame  :?
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Vibe on May 09, 2013, 01:53:25 pm
I bought Two Worlds II because I thought it would be like Gothic two but holy shit no. Gothic 2 was awesome for it's time.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Berserkadin on May 09, 2013, 02:19:01 pm
Gothic 2 is one of my all time favorite games, played it alot when I was younger.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Overdriven on May 09, 2013, 02:46:35 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 09, 2013, 12:18:26 pm
I played Risen a year ago, it was fun in the beginning, but the story was pretty... bad. Not sure how to say it, but I didn't feel like part of the game at all. It was ok for some time, but I quit when
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Same point I decided to drop that one.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Christo on May 09, 2013, 03:13:09 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 09, 2013, 12:18:26 pm
I played Risen a year ago, it was fun in the beginning, but the story was pretty... bad. Not sure how to say it, but I didn't feel like part of the game at all. It was ok for some time, but I quit when
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This is the exact same part where I gave up with Risen as well.

All that build-up, for.. this?

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I really liked the mage training part of it though.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Garond_PL on May 09, 2013, 03:18:46 pm
Quote from: Radament on May 09, 2013, 01:30:46 pm
Loved Gothic 2 , and if you loved it like me  , you shuold try two worlds 2 , underrated game imho :)


TW 2 good game and polish - best magic system in cRPGs ;D World isnt so epic like in Gothic 2 and I (Khorinis with Valley , Jharkendar from Night of the Raven)
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Patoson on May 09, 2013, 06:26:15 pm
Check this (http://page.g3csp.bplaced.de/?lang=en) out if you haven't yet. They have been making this big mod that will make G3 a better game (or so they say) for ages. I hope they release it soon.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Garond_PL on May 09, 2013, 06:45:34 pm
Comunity Story Project is developer of Community Patch and Content Mod
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http://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/threads/1219818-RELEASE-Content-Mod-2-6
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Leshma on May 09, 2013, 08:37:44 pm
Gothic 3 is actually pretty good. Not like the first two games (first Gothic is my favorite) but way better than Oblivion and Skyrim if you ask me. I'm a fan of first Risen as well. Haven't bought Risen 2: Dark Waters yet.

Never played Arcania and not really interested in doing that, like ever (same goes for Deus Ex 2).

Two Worlds II is a very decent game, had a lot of fun playing it. It has way better character animations than Skyrim, thanks to Physx support.

My biggest issue with G3 is lack of Solid State Drive in my gaming rig...
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Leshma on May 09, 2013, 08:47:04 pm
Quote from: Garond_PL on May 09, 2013, 03:18:46 pm
best magic system in cRPGs

That's correct but guess what? Most players hated the game because magic cards system is too complex for them. Fuck mainstream gamers!

Also, TWII has the only truly hardocore quest I've seen in last 10 years. I'm talking about those crazy tombs. I actually drew maps with pencil and paper, didn't download them from internet like most players did.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Tibe on May 09, 2013, 08:54:08 pm
Played all of em. Including the Risenthingies. I loved 2. Loved it alot acctually. 3 was well...ehh. Isnt as bad as they say it is, but nothing too special. But Gothic 3:FG was the first pure shit ive ever seen in my life that has exsisted on my PC. It was like a pile of shit falling from the heavens. After massive patching, alot of crap was still exsisten. Oh and Risen sux imo.

Frankly I dont see the appeal of these games anymore. And JoWood was an extremely shit company in its final years.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Tot. on May 09, 2013, 09:13:02 pm
Difficulty level in NOTR was retarded. I still recall myself gathering all dragonroots available using a printed map of G2 world (yeah) and saving them for high level alchemy just to be able to use a proper two handed sword. To this day I don't really know how does a guy using one handed weapons fight those groups of 10-12 orcs at once, for me it was endless kiting with stopping every few steps to dish out a swing out of their range and take one out or half of his hp. If I fucked up though I'd get instagibbed despite really high STR and best armor.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Molly on May 09, 2013, 09:26:25 pm
Yea, the difficulty was really hard. I might have cheated myself a bit of HP on that one  :?
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: TurmoilTom on May 09, 2013, 09:37:19 pm
Beating Gothic 2: NotR without cheating or having any prior experience with the Gothic series was probably the greatest video game achievement I have ever accomplished. No regrets.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: [ptx] on May 09, 2013, 09:39:28 pm
Gothic 1 and 2 are my favorite RPGs as well :)

Gothic 2 with NotR was difficult, especially if you messed up your build. You needed to level up by killing weaker monsters in a rather certain order (clearing out all the weak monsters, then taking on slightly tougher monsters, exploring everything and then going back to take on the bigger baddies), whilst focusing entirely on a certain weapon group/specialisation.

Groups of orcs (you probably mean the besieged settlement in that valley) - yeah, you totally can't charge that head-on, gotta pick off smaller groups carefully - but then fighting groups does become viable, if you're strong enough, even with 1h weapons.

Once you do get to the top levels, it becomes rather easy, though, except against some particular enemies.

I don't remember another game, where i've done this much saving/loading :lol:
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Leshma on May 09, 2013, 09:42:02 pm
Gothic 3 with community patch, on hard diff. and with alternative A.I. is way harder than G2. You have to use companion as a bait for bigger part of the game.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: [ptx] on May 09, 2013, 09:45:12 pm
G3 is difficult, because the combat system is a broken piece of turd.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: B3RS3RK on May 09, 2013, 09:57:29 pm
Gothic 1 was so fucking awesome - really, the grim and gitty setting enthralled me like few games did since.
Gothic 2 was really really good aswell, although imo 1 was better.

I also really liked the difficulty - if you went into a certain area too early, you were dead meat.Not like these pussygames today where you can´t access too high-level areas at first or where the enemies get scaled down.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Tot. on May 09, 2013, 09:59:47 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on May 09, 2013, 09:39:28 pm
Once you do get to the top levels, it becomes rather easy, though, except against some particular enemies.

Another thing I remember about G2 NoTR is being rather amused that game makes it outright impossible for a melee oriented character to kill a dragon because of firebreath knockback + hp regen. It always felt to me that they added all those op scrolls after finishing all encounters and while playtesting it  they realized 'hang on, what the fuck, this is impossible'. I could kill the final boss in three-four hits, I could not do it though without a scroll summoning a skeleton, demon or whatever to aggro the dragon first and tank the knockback. Just stupid design. In fact iirc a demon can kill undead dragon 1v1 without any problems.

Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Ronin on May 10, 2013, 01:27:34 am
Started playing Gothic 1 a few days ago. It takes some time to get used to, but after that it becomes pretty nice. Joined the old camp now.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Patoson on May 10, 2013, 10:56:11 am
Quote from: [ptx] on May 09, 2013, 09:45:12 pm
G3 is difficult, because the combat system is a broken piece of turd.
Yeah. I really love everything about the game, except the combat. 2h animations and mouse controls are terrible.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Garond_PL on May 10, 2013, 03:38:23 pm
Gothic 3 isnt same as Gothic I and II. New gameplay - main is explore the world (not story). Gothic 3 has big open world and u dont need making quests of main story , hero can be a paladin , rebel , merc , assassin , barbarian of Nordmar and member of other smaller groups and factions. Player can be free with no class system - fighting as warrior with sword and shield , mage with fireball (3 schools of magic but player can use spells whatever he wants - fireball (Innos magic) playing as Black Mage  ) , archer thief with alchemy skills . Gothic I and II have good and climatic story but G3 has big world with 3 ecosystems ( green fields  , medieval castles , forests  , arabian themed desert and mountains with a lot of snow and orcs).
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Weren on May 11, 2013, 12:19:17 am
I immensely enjoyed Gothic 3's world, environment and the general atmosphere(including the oh so orgasmic music),
enough so that I had no trouble finishing the game. But I have to agree that the combat system kinda fell on it's face.
Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Garond_PL on May 12, 2013, 12:03:23 pm
Yes soundtrack in Gothic 3 is awesome !!! And i think Gothics still are best cRPG game - not so commercial like EA productions , better hero than TES...

Some good tracks from Gothic 3
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- thats my favorite track - Rhobars castle !


EDIT:Poll added


Title: Re: Gothic (series)
Post by: Leshma on May 12, 2013, 04:24:02 pm
Why u no liek Vista Point (http://youtu.be/DLyqSQhS6E0)?