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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Wynz on May 03, 2013, 01:49:34 pm
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Hey, i'm going for shielder 18/24 thanks to A_Hot_Elf_Princess, this build looks pretty awsome.
6 ps
8 at
8 sh
what would be the best equipment to squeeze most from this build?
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medium armor. not plate and not cloth. something you like by the looks.
edit: however as you have no ironflesh cloth armor wouldnt be bad.
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ty for an answer, what about weapon? thinking about Nordic Champion's Sword but not sure if blunt dmg wont be better.
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18/24 is not much, but it isnt little either. i would say try some weapons if you want you can always join peasants united. its a clan that i made to help new players. you can use free items from the armoury instead of buying them yourself.
im not a shielder myself, but i would say try a blunt weapon?
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For a build like this I would suggest the steel pick, or military pick. You will be very fast and will dead considerable damage. the drawback however is that you will have little range. If you want something longer you could try the side sword. Remmember though, your damage will be lower and fighting might be a bit more difficult.
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ulter is shielder, so i would rather trust him than me ;)
btw, the person above me is not me. its just a pesky copy cat :D
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Okey, thanks very much for tips, what shield to use? one that can last for some time and dont slow me down too much.
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Elite Cavalry Shield or Round Shield
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6 power strike is enough that you can use any 1h weapon well. If it is lower, your attacks will glance with cutting weapons such as swords. Try out many types of weapons to find the style you like best. Don't forget that you scavenge items as needed during a round. Spears are great for rearing horses and supporting allied melee fighters. If you are facing another shielder and don't have an axe, pick one up and make him scared! Even with only 1 wpf in two handed and polearms, 6 powerstrike will let you do decent damage. Your swings will just be on the slow side.
For armor, I would recommend something that gives 30-40 armor for your body and head. Anything more will slow you down and the high athletics won't be of any use. You can also switch to very light cloth armor and you will fly around the battlefield at nearly the speed of a horse.
With 8 shield skill, you can use any shield and do well. Heavy round, board, and plate covered round shield are very durable with okay speed. The knightly heater, steel buckler, round steel buckler, and all of the cheap low-level shields will be faster and still last a very long time. Enemies with axes can break those in a few hits, though.
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OP : mid armor (light) with elite
spamitard scimitar and huscarl shield
Cool : Military hammer + knight heater + mid armor
Fast : Yanmadao with elite cav shield + low armor
Best tip : take whatever wep you found cool and run it!
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And I suggest using warhammer. 8-)
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And I suggest using warhammer. 8-)
you just created a monster
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Be aware that you will need to level to 33 for that build (and suffer through 3 shield skill at 30).
e: level 32, rather.
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Be aware that you will need to level to 33 for that build (and suffer through 3 shield skill at 30).
I am 18/24 with lvl 31. 1 IF, 6 PS, 8 Athletics, 5 Shield and 0 WM. It works, but some more IF would really help...
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I am 18/24 with lvl 31. 1 IF, 6 PS, 8 Athletics, 5 Shield and 0 WM. It works, but some more IF would really help...
I found that low-IF fast 1h was great in loosely knit skirmishes, but that the lack of survivability was a real a pain in densely packed group fights. It's also really difficult to maximize your speed bonus in packed fights.
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The other problem is that 18/24 shielder (especially with no ironflesh) is much worse than 24/18 shielder in strategus battles where you are part of a shield wall. I would consistently die faster than my allies. And sitting in line with +7 shield skill from shield wall makes your high athletics and high shield skill a waste of points.
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with that build i would myself wanna try some hit n run style with one of the better stabbing swords :)
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Thanks for answers
The other problem is that 18/24 shielder (especially with no ironflesh) is much worse than 24/18 shielder in strategus battles where you are part of a shield wall. I would consistently die faster than my allies. And sitting in line with +7 shield skill from shield wall makes your high athletics and high shield skill a waste of points.
What shielder build would u recommend for strategus? i could try it in next gen
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I'd recommend a 21/18 or 24/15 shielder build for strategus. Level up IF, PS, Ath, Shield. Any extra points can go into weapon mastery - get your 1h up to 150+ or become a hybrid with some wpf in polearms or crossbows.
Some maps in strategus are okay for a 18/24 shielder, but most of the time you will be standing in a shieldwall and being a big pile of meat is better than going fast.
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How much in shield would be just enough? 4? I'll try to make some build and paste it here
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would that build work as a shielder for strategus?
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That is one of the most balanced shielder builds. It's good for strategus, good for battle, good for siege, good for duel. The only reason I chose higher agility was that I really love being able to dance around your opponents in duels and being able to cover ground in the battle server to aid allies.
If you have never been a shielder before, 21/18 or 24/15 is probably your best choice. Try out builds on a skip the fun character to see what you like best!
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Well, as a shielder since beta I would recommend AGI builds (18/24 is optimal imho). You don't need to do any feints, spam or do too much dancing.
Just wait for your enemy to make mistake and kill him with a precise blow. This is also the build which gives a chance to kill any other player in 1 vs 1 engagement.
For weapons - in sieges or town battles (where you must fight in tight formation or in a crowd) use short weapon like warhammer or steel pick or broad axe. Use medium or heavy armor to protect you from teammates (shield will protect you from the enemies).
On open areas elite scimitar is proven to be deadly, even against tincans (thus you must slash them few times). It has incredible speed and tricky animations. Light (up to 15 weight) or ultra light (up to 10) armor is suggested.
Without the speed you won't be able to use higher STR because it would be almost impossible to hit a skilled player in 1 vs 1 with any weapon. Keep in mind, that some ppl here probably do better with blocking than with the fork usage in the real life - so forget about low AGI if you want to kill them.
Other matter are enemy shielders. If you ever meet a guy like kinnrimm (RIP) with ping 10, agi 30, shield 10 and everything +3 you will realize that speed is the key. No matter how strong you are he will block everything you aim at him and stab you in the back while facehugging ya. Even 10 ms ping differences matter.
Also in 1 vs 6 fight speed and shield is your only chance to kill them all or at least few.
Shield 5 or 6 is minimum for sieges (especially if you are defending), for open areas 4 will be enough.
If thinking about strat build - well - if you want frags go 2h or pikemen or cav :) Shielders are to protect them.
Ofc any build / weapon is good to kill newbies or peasants.
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With 24 AGI I'd say don't use an armor heavier than 12, but with one of the heaviest gauntlet types. About head armor, anything is good but weight 3 or above is probably too much. Keep your leg armor under weight 2.
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I use the following rule of thumb:
Athletics-(total equipment weight/7) should be greater than 3
It's not exact, but 7kg is roughly equivalent to losing an Athletics point. I find that below an "effective" athletics of 3, archers are able to outrun you, ninjas can easily dart outside your reach during fights, you can't catch people from behind, and in general you just feel "slow". 2h/pole can obviously make up for being slow with superior reach, but I find 3 "effective" athletics to be a threshold for 1h.
For you, that probably means body armor <16kg or so. If you are using a pick/hammer or other short weapon, you probably need to be even faster, although with an aggressive playstyle, short weapons can be effective with low athletics also (see Turboflex/Demento).