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Title: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Tuetensuppe on April 25, 2013, 10:57:43 pm
Преступлéние и наказáние

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After the several aggressive taunts by some CFA factions, Apostates have decided that CFA's actions should not go without consequences. Therefore Apostates goes war against hostile CFA factions.

1-Passive CFA factions will not be attacked, your NAP with CFA is your own concern, although defensive pacts will be considered as hostile action against Apostates.

2-This is personal war of Apostates, it does not concern EB (east block) factions although anyone who wants a piece of the cake, can have their own war with CFA.



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Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: BASNAK on April 25, 2013, 10:59:17 pm
lol
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Post by: Noctivagant on April 25, 2013, 11:00:07 pm
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Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Butan on April 25, 2013, 11:00:39 pm
'Bout time...

Let the bodies hit the floor!
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Tuetensuppe on April 25, 2013, 11:08:43 pm
'Bout time...

Let the bodies hit the floor!

Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Lizard_man on April 25, 2013, 11:09:09 pm
I approve...
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 25, 2013, 11:11:26 pm
Fat Bottom Girls is the best Queen song of all time, that is all.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Rebelyell on April 25, 2013, 11:13:40 pm

german dubbing

screw that shit
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: kinngrimm on April 25, 2013, 11:32:37 pm
After the several aggressive taunts by some Mercs, Apostates broke their NAP with CFA, these actions are common with Mercs and surly will not go without consequences. Therefore Apostates gets a boner war against hostile CFA factions.

1-Passive CFA factions will not be attacked, your NAP with CFA is your own concern, although defensive pacts will be considered as hostile action against Apostates.

2-This is personal war of Apostates, it does not concern EB at all the east block factions, as Apostates already undermined the cooperation for months although anyone who wants a piece of the cake, can have their own war with Apostates.
...
so be it
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Noctivagant on April 25, 2013, 11:39:27 pm
I'm mr poopy pants

editing a quote doesn't win an argument
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Tuetensuppe on April 25, 2013, 11:40:22 pm

dont quote me in the wrong way ;)
thanks


After the several aggressive taunts by some CFA factions, Apostates have decided that CFA's actions should not go without consequences. Therefore Apostates goes war against hostile CFA factions.

Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Matey on April 26, 2013, 12:07:39 am
so be it

who cares about the reason! EU needs wars, rejoice!
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: donib on April 26, 2013, 12:11:47 am
All i can say
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OSl4mFw4GDo#t=73s)
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Segd on April 26, 2013, 10:19:29 am
Yey!
How common Mercs reacted to the war against Kinngrimm:
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Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Torben on April 26, 2013, 11:56:56 am
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hahahaha
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Vovka on April 26, 2013, 01:13:30 pm
looks like now Mercs is a true russian clan  :P
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Tuetensuppe on April 26, 2013, 01:48:47 pm
looks like now Mercs is a true russian clan  :P

deal with it! :*
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Casimir on April 26, 2013, 08:27:47 pm
What if you used these armies, to attack your enemies?
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: BASNAK on April 26, 2013, 08:35:20 pm
What if you used these armies, to attack your enemies?

Yeah, go back to being a block again! We all know how much fun that is.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Casimir on April 26, 2013, 09:31:19 pm
I'm just saying they've been peacefully neighbouring someone they were theoretically at war with for a long time.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Haboe on April 26, 2013, 11:51:38 pm
What if you used these armies, to attack your enemies?

We are?
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Casimir on April 27, 2013, 12:00:48 am
i mean the ones you've supposedly been at war with since the start of this strat round.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Haboe on April 27, 2013, 12:14:33 am
Yea, but fighting an enemy at the other side of the map is hard when you got someone poking you in the ass in your homeland  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Casimir on April 27, 2013, 12:42:04 am
The point s that this wouldn't have come about if you didn't want it too, you could have focussed your efforts into attacking GO/DRZ long ago had you wished.  Mercs have long non-committal to these wars, this turn comes as no surprise to me. You turn your back on the beast to hit the dog.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 27, 2013, 12:43:47 am
Wipe the mercs already. They aren't worth it. I've been around awhile and they been non committal to about everything and crappy strat at that.

Block smash them!
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Noctivagant on April 27, 2013, 03:05:29 am
Wipe the mercs already.

There, attention. Now be happy Anders.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on April 27, 2013, 03:23:41 am
Wipe the mercs D'haran Legion already. They aren't worth it. I've been around awhile and they been non committal to about everything and crappy strat at that.

Block smash them!
fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Haboe on April 27, 2013, 07:51:35 am
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=3447
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: DaveUKR on April 27, 2013, 11:00:11 am
The point s that this wouldn't have come about if you didn't want it too, you could have focussed your efforts into attacking GO/DRZ long ago had you wished.  Mercs have long non-committal to these wars, this turn comes as no surprise to me. You turn your back on the beast to hit the dog.

The problem was that nobody wanted kinngrimm in that area and I remember a little scandal about that situation, as kinngrimm was the ally of Templars while you didn't want him close to you neither. As you remember, Mercs were fighting UIF at 2 fronts. And unlike Crusader Alliance or Coalition, we also had a lot of possible enemies close to us, like Wolves, Cotgs, Independent factions (Olwen and all the others). Nords got defeated and Mercs got their town, a lot of UIF fiefs got destroyed and are now owned by us. There was a long period when we didn't do anything because we simply had too many fiefs and couldn't use our forces to attack as we would leave fiefs empty.

Kapikulu's aggression is unexpected so there is nothing we can do. You saw how CFA acted towards us, so they wanted this war and now they have to face consequences of it.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Rebelyell on April 27, 2013, 01:20:50 pm
pail of bulshit

Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Haboe on April 27, 2013, 01:35:32 pm
.pail of bulshit

Only reason kinn was allowed to settle there after his actions in previous strats were templars.

He grew bigger, using smaller factions as his shield, uses their power while keeping all the strong fiefs to himself, provoking apostates, insulting mercs, threatening with siding with greys, dragging smaller factions into a war they can't handle, kinn lost my respect so i pulled together a group to take him out without destroying the smaller CFA factions. Risens, Bro's, ecorcheurs won't be harmed in this fight, it will make them stronger, foxes will be spared if possible, same goes for that odd faction of Knyaz_Sanxus_of_Lithuania that has shulus and uslum now.

Had enough of his bullshit, so decided to take him out. He cracked the second day of the war, deleting his account and leaving his faction to rot.
Now that kinn is gone the talking has begun on how the matter in the north can be settled, if possible with peace and no wipes, if not, the war will go on.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on April 27, 2013, 02:35:07 pm
Had enough of his bullshit, so decided to take him out. He cracked the second day of the war, deleting his account and leaving his faction to rot.
Now that kinn is gone the talking has begun on how the matter in the north can be settled, if possible with peace and no wipes, if not, the war will go on.
If I'd have to guess I'd guess he didn't quit because you went to war with him, not saying it wasn't due to someone in this war though.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Haboe on April 27, 2013, 03:18:31 pm
If I'd have to guess I'd guess he didn't quit because you went to war with him, not saying it wasn't due to someone in this war though.

I know he didn't quit because of me ;) Yet, you might also know that its not coincidence that multiple factions in the north revolted/ stopped supporting kinn at the same time.
And again, this isn't done to kill the CFA.

Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Keshian on April 27, 2013, 03:23:40 pm
Only reason kinn was allowed to settle there after his actions in previous strats were templars.

He grew bigger, using smaller factions as his shield, uses their power while keeping all the strong fiefs to himself, provoking apostates, insulting mercs, threatening with siding with greys, dragging smaller factions into a war they can't handle, kinn lost my respect so i pulled together a group to take him out without destroying the smaller CFA factions. Risens, Bro's, ecorcheurs won't be harmed in this fight, it will make them stronger, foxes will be spared if possible, same goes for that odd faction of Knyaz_Sanxus_of_Lithuania that has shulus and uslum now.

Had enough of his bullshit, so decided to take him out. He cracked the second day of the war, deleting his account and leaving his faction to rot.
Now that kinn is gone the talking has begun on how the matter in the north can be settled, if possible with peace and no wipes, if not, the war will go on.

I don't get why he would so easily rage quit?  He pulled far worse last strat to fallen and HRE backstabbing them royally to the point they almost got wiped from the map and they just came back stronger instead of GTXting.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Haboe on April 27, 2013, 03:29:28 pm
I bet its not just this war that made him quit. He was way too involved in the game, taking so many tasks for himself, that his personal life suffered from it. He isn't a bad guy, and i think this war might have given him the push he needed to focus on his real life. Part of the reason he quit (if the info that reached me is correct) is that he wanted to focus on his real life. He also deleted his steam account for this reason.

He deserved this war in strat, but it makes me sad to see that he quit Crpg altogether. Some of his actions in strat may have been crap, but i respected him in crpg more then most players.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Casimir on April 27, 2013, 04:35:48 pm
I don't get why he would so easily rage quit?  He pulled far worse last strat to fallen and HRE backstabbing them royally to the point they almost got wiped from the map and they just came back stronger instead of GTXting.

I believe the reason he quit is a combination of changes to cRPG and being betrayed by several factions that he made out of nothing.


The problem was that nobody wanted kinngrimm in that area and I remember a little scandal about that situation, as kinngrimm was the ally of Templars while you didn't want him close to you neither. As you remember, Mercs were fighting UIF at 2 fronts. And unlike Crusader Alliance or Coalition, we also had a lot of possible enemies close to us, like Wolves, Cotgs, Independent factions (Olwen and all the others). Nords got defeated and Mercs got their town, a lot of UIF fiefs got destroyed and are now owned by us. There was a long period when we didn't do anything because we simply had too many fiefs and couldn't use our forces to attack as we would leave fiefs empty.

Kapikulu's aggression is unexpected so there is nothing we can do. You saw how CFA acted towards us, so they wanted this war and now they have to face consequences of it.

I'm sorry dave but Mercs have had plenty of opportunities to attack UIF factions in the past couple months and before, but have chosen not to for self serving reasons.  If you can't see why this would annoy people then there is nothing more to discuss.

We had possible enemies near us as well dave. The fact that hostile NA factions sat right across the border from us, and that DRZ was still as active as GO was didn't stop us from launching offensives across the map. You failed to do this while they were on your door step, you have succeeded in mopping up inactive factions.

Go about yur business as you will, but don't pretend that your faction has achieved anything more than any others, or that your factions has fought a harder fight than anyone else.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Noctivagant on April 27, 2013, 04:55:54 pm
Go about yur business as you will, but don't pretend that your faction has achieved anything more than any others.

Nop we are all in meh mode. Kinn's departure did multiply the mehness.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Segd on April 27, 2013, 05:15:44 pm
I'm sorry dave but Mercs have had plenty of opportunities to attack UIF factions in the past couple months and before, but have chosen not to for self serving reasons.  If you can't see why this would annoy people then there is nothing more to discuss.

We had possible enemies near us as well dave. The fact that hostile NA factions sat right across the border from us, and that DRZ was still as active as GO was didn't stop us from launching offensives across the map. You failed to do this while they were on your door step, you have succeeded in mopping up inactive factions.

Go about yur business as you will, but don't pretend that your faction has achieved anything more than any others, or that your factions has fought a harder fight than anyone else.
I remember, we met 3 or 4 Merc armies near Chelez(which was their), when we were marching to kill CA in the north-west. Funny fact: they would have destroyed 80% of our armies & Greys would fight against CA alone. But neither we or Shuhan have seen this armies again. Shuhan took Chelez in 1 attack afterwards  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: DaveUKR on April 27, 2013, 05:41:33 pm
I believe the reason he quit is a combination of changes to cRPG and being betrayed by several factions that he made out of nothing.


I'm sorry dave but Mercs have had plenty of opportunities to attack UIF factions in the past couple months and before, but have chosen not to for self serving reasons.  If you can't see why this would annoy people then there is nothing more to discuss.

We had possible enemies near us as well dave. The fact that hostile NA factions sat right across the border from us, and that DRZ was still as active as GO was didn't stop us from launching offensives across the map. You failed to do this while they were on your door step, you have succeeded in mopping up inactive factions.

Go about yur business as you will, but don't pretend that your faction has achieved anything more than any others, or that your factions has fought a harder fight than anyone else.

Everyone had these possibilities. Why didn't you destroy Druzhina when they went inactive? Or why didn't Coalition destroy someone while having thousands of obviously unnecessary troops? The answer is easy - nobody wanted to organize these wars, because fighting against inactive clans is boring. So basically everyone went into can't be arsed mode and was sitting on their asses. Also I wasn't playing or taking any part in Strat during that time luckily, so you can't blame me for that. When I was actually playing - we kept doing something.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Casimir on April 27, 2013, 05:54:47 pm
No-one does anything because its too boring to organise, it's boring because nobody organises anything. Circular argument is circular.

Our enemy is inactive so we might as well be inactive, that's just dumb.

We didn't destroy DRZ  mostly because we were fighting GO, and then shu han, and then shu han GO and DRZ.  What were you doing? Nothing.


I'm not blaming anyone personally, I'm just saying if Apostates (or coalition to a lesser extent) had actually contributed to any of the wars you and your members might not be so bored.  The game is as fun as you make it.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Haboe on April 27, 2013, 06:00:50 pm
No-one does anything because its too boring to organise, it's boring because nobody organises anything. Circular argument is circular.

Our enemy is inactive so we might as well be inactive, that's just dumb.

We didn't destroy DRZ  mostly because we were fighting GO, and then shu han, and then shu han GO and DRZ.  What were you doing? Nothing.


I'm not blaming anyone personally, I'm just saying if Apostates (or coalition to a lesser extent) had actually contributed to any of the wars you and your members might not be so bored.  The game is as fun as you make it.

In the first big fightings, GO attacked tsibtin, mercs did most of the work there, coalition supported with massive troops. In the first assaults templars did nothing but wait, and then take the fiefs behind GO practically for free. Then the siege of uxhal, you did a bit, but coalition did most, mercs supplied army's for the sieges as well. Then the fiefs you took were under attack, and you obv could hold them (neither of us could). I don't blame you for doing near to nothing in the start, but don't spread bs about mercs sitting still when you finally become active.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Casimir on April 27, 2013, 06:27:52 pm
In the first big fightings, GO attacked tsibtin, mercs did most of the work there, coalition supported with massive troops. In the first assaults templars did nothing but wait, and then take the fiefs behind GO practically for free. Then the siege of uxhal, you did a bit, but coalition did most, mercs supplied army's for the sieges as well. Then the fiefs you took were under attack, and you obv could hold them (neither of us could). I don't blame you for doing near to nothing in the start, but don't spread bs about mercs sitting still when you finally become active.

Ha we gave all we could to fight wars halfway across the map, emptying our fiefs to fight on your doorstep.  When the enemy became active again, your contributions were negligible.

'Finally become active', that's a good one coming from you guys.  there are plenty of wars you could have fought in but chose not too.  You made war with those you were supposed to support, whatever fate befall the north it will be what it deserves. We will continue to fight as we have from the start.  Consistently.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: DaveUKR on April 27, 2013, 06:51:38 pm
Ha we gave all we could to fight wars halfway across the map, emptying our fiefs to fight on your doorstep.  When the enemy became active again, your contributions were negligible.

'Finally become active', that's a good one coming from you guys.  there are plenty of wars you could have fought in but chose not too.  You made war with those you were supposed to support, whatever fate befall the north it will be what it deserves. We will continue to fight as we have from the start.  Consistently.

Because you don't risk anything. Even if all of your fiefs are empty - you only have Druzhina to attack you and a lot of allies right at your borders to resupply you. Didn't Apostates attack Shu Han there as well? We still own 2 fiefs in that area. And yes, it's across the map, because Dhirim area is a trading area where we don't have the big fighting power. Also do you see thousands of free troops with which Mercs could attack? It's pointless to proceed, you don't remember or didn't see stuff if you say so. Coalition has a lot of extra troops, so better go blame them, not us. And "those you were supposed to support" went retard attacking us, 3 Mercs got attacked in a row, I don't find it friendly.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Casimir on April 27, 2013, 07:31:26 pm
God what's the point in discussing with you guys if you just refuse to accept you could remotely be to blame for anything.



Those two fiefs there are ones that were taken from union, who were gone, nothing to do with any war.

It was your choice to set up the free trade area, your choice to do with those troops as you will, don't use that as an excuse to not launch attacks.

When i check the other day you had 44808 troops in your town and castles alone,  that seems more than enough to have launched an offensive at least once the last month.

It's no better to blame either of you, coalition actually active partook in the war against shu han, go and drz, far more than you ether did.  the fact they have amassed troops is a testament to the activity of their members, not their inactivity on strat.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: DaveUKR on April 27, 2013, 09:32:34 pm
God what's the point in discussing with you guys if you just refuse to accept you could remotely be to blame for anything.



Those two fiefs there are ones that were taken from union, who were gone, nothing to do with any war.

It was your choice to set up the free trade area, your choice to do with those troops as you will, don't use that as an excuse to not launch attacks.

When i check the other day you had 44808 troops in your town and castles alone,  that seems more than enough to have launched an offensive at least once the last month.

It's no better to blame either of you, coalition actually active partook in the war against shu han, go and drz, far more than you ether did.  the fact they have amassed troops is a testament to the activity of their members, not their inactivity on strat.

Okay, why didn't you go to Merc TS and ask then? I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just saying that when I wanted to launch attacks on Druzhina and Grey Order - neither Alpha nor Rogue wanted to do this. Is it enough for you? Later I wasn't active in Strat, so I don't care. I don't find it any kind of useful to argue here, it's the past. Let's think about the future. You can definitely expect our help if you start your own wars, I personally guarantee it.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Haboe on April 27, 2013, 09:35:58 pm
Back to the topic (war) peace negotiations hit a dead end, we will continue the war as said before.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: RamsesXXIIX on April 28, 2013, 06:58:58 pm
I think this conflict is stupid and both sides have been neglectful in theit attempts at solving this diplomatically. Whatever happens, I hope this war will be quick and you can shake hands afterwards.

For now, the Fallens are free to sign up for both sides, however we shall attempt to sign up for both sides equally.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Butan on April 28, 2013, 10:09:53 pm
War has been neglected way more than peace !!!

I say, SHAKE THEIR HANDS WHEN THEY ARE DEEEEEED !
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Haboe on April 28, 2013, 11:43:49 pm
Attempts to peace have generally been replied to with disrespect or insults. Ever since Grandmom took over for the wolves things went better, both sides talk with respect, but war was not to be avoided for the moment.

And in the end, this game is about war, and i have plenty of reasons to continue it until my goals are reached.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Noctivagant on May 02, 2013, 02:25:24 pm
For some a week is long... But yea, its been like 1-2 weeks since the fix, not that long.

Change that! Come back :mrgreen:


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since we successful ruined BASNAK's topic lets flame here.
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: BASNAK on May 02, 2013, 02:26:30 pm
since we successful ruined BASNAK's topic lets flame here.

But all the free bumps :D!
Title: Re: Преступлéние и наказáние
Post by: Noctivagant on May 02, 2013, 02:43:09 pm
But all the free bumps :D!

Since Zlisch made a post there I don't think any of us has the power to stop the upcoming shit storm