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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: chadz on January 07, 2011, 12:24:06 am

Title: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: chadz on January 07, 2011, 12:24:06 am
Before the patch, people have been asking me what nick I'm playing with. They knew I was one of them, but who? Well, the answer is simple - They knew wrong, I wasn't playing.

I havent played cRPG before the patch (0.200) for several months, because I haven't had any fun any more. At all. From all the hundreds of items available, people were wearing the ones with the best stats - or trying to get them while waiting in boredom. Because many people thought the fun starts when you finally reached that item/armor. What kind of game is that? You work hundreds of hours just to have fun, eventually?

It wasn't a game any more, it was a grinding marathon. I know some liked that, but I didn't. I am not trying to create a free2play version of WoW here, and if some got that impression, I am sorry to have wasted your time.

Am I aware of the fact that these new changes might drive quite some players away? Totally. But let me tell you one thing, what good is a game developer if he doesn't like his own product?

I'd say that depends on a devs motivation. There are, as far as I can see, two different options: a) The dev wants to play the game itself, b) the dev gets a salary.

Considering that I am sitting in an apartment with estimated 15°C, (I need all the power I can afford for the PC!), instead of sailing around the carribean with a yacht, I'd say b) cant be it. That leaves us with the egoistical option a).

I always thought it was fun if everyone could create his own char, using his own items. The point was not to outgrind other players, but to just spice the game up and give it some variety and persistance. Have your own char, live with it, with it's strength, but also with it's flaws. That is also the reason why there is no respec option.

Retrospective, the very first big patch was indeed the, in my opinion, worst decision ever. I thought "Hey, that xp function is a bit silly, after level 31 you cant upgrade your char any more! Bug! Constant progression forever!" And i thought other games do it too, so it must be for a reason. Now I realise they have a very good reason, monthly subscriptions.

But why should I have the same goal? There is no reason whatsoever for me to try and gather the largest playerbase possible. If it is a byproduct of me having fun while playing, that's great. But if I actually have to decide between maintaining a large playerbase or creating a fun game, well - I am sorry, I want to do something that I have fun doing. I am aware that is selfish, but when I wash a car, it's mine, not my neighbours'. (Not that I could afford one :D)

The decision was between stopping the project cRPG altogether, or change it radically. Therefore, keeping it as it was, was actually NO option, at least not from my side.

For everyone who wants to leave: I am sorry for every single one I have disappointed, I really hope you find a game that fits your needs and playstyle more, and thanks for being an important part of the journey.

To all the others (or new players) that still think the game is fun, let's start a new chapter and have a fun trip to see where the project cRPG ends - because I have no fucking idea.

(That's something a dev on salary can't say, yay!)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Banok on January 07, 2011, 12:26:44 am
I love you.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: bruce on January 07, 2011, 12:27:04 am
Well, CRPG hasn't been so fun for me for quite a while.


Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Wookimonsta on January 07, 2011, 12:27:13 am
<SgtAlex86_> so hes saying "sorry i broke the mod DEAL WITH IT"
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Mylet on January 07, 2011, 12:27:54 am
hate you!   :|
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Niemand on January 07, 2011, 12:29:24 am
I love you.
+1
And really thanks.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Weren on January 07, 2011, 12:31:15 am
And there was much rejoicing.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Banok on January 07, 2011, 12:32:15 am
Constant progression forever!" And i thought other games do it too, so it must be for a reason. Now I realise they have a very good reason, monthly subscriptions.


So true. this is what is wrong with the mmo scene they try to substitute fun game play with grind.

I always though you must like grind. well there is still some grind but its not mindless anymore, anyway if people really wanna grind like crazy I'm thinking hierlooms since I think they will take alot of time to get now.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Spurdospera on January 07, 2011, 12:32:53 am
Thank you for this great mod. Changes were needed and the mod is now more fun than ever.  :D
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Alex_C on January 07, 2011, 12:34:19 am
I WANT MY PLATE ARMOUR!!!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ishar on January 07, 2011, 12:36:47 am
The game is better than ever.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Malicious on January 07, 2011, 12:37:22 am
I wish you kept it at version .200, chadz.

I loved it. You sold it down the creek with .201. Its half-assed, you have conformed your vision. It is still a grind, and still an endless progression.

Revert XP to .201, and upkeep should remain the same constant cost, but be divided amongst winning and losing team as you suggested.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Banok on January 07, 2011, 12:38:44 am
I would like old 2.00 exp back also xD

but cant complain
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Braeden on January 07, 2011, 12:39:19 am
This is pretty much the best thing ever.

So yeah, great job chadz. Also you broke the mod.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Silv on January 07, 2011, 12:39:32 am
Right on for sticking to your developer guns. While I didn't find practicing my build until I got to my ideal stats and EQ to be a grind, and I may not agree with what you've done, I certainly appreciate it and I'm glad to be a part of what you're trying to do.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Lonewuelf on January 07, 2011, 12:40:20 am
The patch is fantastic! No longer will the cRPG beginners need to huddle around the bigger players trying to leech gold for their first five hours of game play.
Now hopefully we'll see more unique looking players, rather then an endless tide of plate :P
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Alex_C on January 07, 2011, 12:40:46 am
WWWHHHIIINNNNEEEE!!!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on January 07, 2011, 12:41:52 am
I hate you chadz. You broke the mod!  :D
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: VicTheBear on January 07, 2011, 12:42:14 am
I'm glad I'm not the only one who played this game for fun.

Also:

Dear, sweet, beautiful chadz. I would like to publicly confess my undying love for you.
However, please don't be offended if I stray to from your magnificent mod to play Minecraft for a bit while all the drama*** brought on by this patch passes.
I give my word that in time, I, VicTheCantShootShit'CauseArcheryIsInsaneRightNowSuperHotBabeBear, will return to the crpg servers to enjoy myself once again.

[***- here drama is defined as griefing and has nothing to do with the actual patch itself]

Luv Yew,
VicTheBear

Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Tuonela on January 07, 2011, 12:43:14 am
I have to agree, this mod is now more enjoyable than ever before. I am really appreciating your work.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Tholgar on January 07, 2011, 12:50:14 am
Will i get my heirloom points back if i say i love this mod?  :D
Nah, but seriously i love the patch. Thanks for the great effort and time spent on it.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: ViiKOLD on January 07, 2011, 12:52:34 am
Grand respect chadz, you are real game designer!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Kalam on January 07, 2011, 12:52:48 am
It's all good. My only gripe: everyone seems really slow. I feel like I'm fighting in molasses. The only time* I miss a block is when there's multiple opponents or I get distracted by some guy on vent. 

It'll be easier to get new people in.



*exaggeration
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Garrus on January 07, 2011, 12:54:10 am
I'm fully touched :cry: applause
Hopefully you have closed a lot of whining with this masterpiece.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: StanleyPain on January 07, 2011, 12:54:24 am
All those people complaining are the grind > skill folk, you can safely ignore em. While I don't like all the changes in this patch, overall I really like it.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Baggy on January 07, 2011, 12:57:08 am
I hate u chadz, u broke the game :D :D :D
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Cris on January 07, 2011, 01:00:49 am
Although my beloved HA is heavily nerfed, I have to admin that prior to the patch, my reason for having alt was because my uber lvl HA felt like shooting IE players rather than real players some times..., but getting off the horse to do melee with no point invested in it, having to face people with toons are good as mine but dedicated to melee fights, sucked....cRPG was becoming a "I have a cold, lets kill time game", rather than lets have good fun game.

This patch may make it fun, and not seeing everyone with the same stuff makes a difference too!

Anyway, It is YOUR mod and you work for free. So thanks for all the work and being honest with the comunity chadz.

Cris

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Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 07, 2011, 01:04:38 am
This is great! I love the mod!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: balbaroth on January 07, 2011, 01:08:54 am
i love the patch as well but please... put back retirement as soon as possible because there is quite a few who messed up their skills with that C fonction inputing incorrectly the skills which cause alot of confusion with which was suposed to be used the website or the C fonction. Not to mention the day of the patch for a few hours  , you couldnt even modify stats on the website and only the in game C fonction worked  , so we need to retire !  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 01:13:04 am
since you not like your mod chadz but 65% of this community like the old one?

why you not release the old one?  so who wanna play it can do ?i am sure there will be people who will open shitload of server on it. and i am sure also there will be more ppl in the old one that new one.

say sorry after make ppl lose months on a system you created and changed becouse YOU not liked it anymore,  is not properly    a PRO move
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Gorath on January 07, 2011, 01:18:55 am
As always supportive of this decision.  Best patch ever chadz.  Makes it more like it was in the beginning.  More teamwork, more unique character looks, more variety on the battlefield.

And don't ever release an older version so other people can abuse your hard work.  Keep playing it close to the chest. 
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 01:22:21 am
As always supportive of this decision.  Best patch ever chadz.  Makes it more like it was in the beginning.  More teamwork, more unique character looks, more variety on the battlefield.

And don't ever release an older version so other people can abuse your hard work.  Keep playing it close to the chest.

at beginning?

you sure you where here at beginning? beginning was same as crpg of 3 day ago except hard cap,  share your  weed man becouse is good, i wanna smoke it  also
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Allers on January 07, 2011, 01:22:43 am
Im fine with patch but can we please not be punished for having armor and winning a round?? :D
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Blaint on January 07, 2011, 01:23:31 am
i think 2.00 was a little bit fail  :mrgreen:

but 2.01 is a good patch.
-the repair poll is bether  :o
-more unique chars  8-)
-more fun  :)

for the next patches you only have to fix bugs , balance some weapons  "and may add some new items  :D"



thanks chadz and we all hope you don't give up :D
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: BoZo on January 07, 2011, 01:27:53 am
I don't get it, how is this trolling me?
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Malicious on January 07, 2011, 01:29:38 am
v.200 was better. The only good thing about v .201 is the upkeep on both winning and losing team.

I am quite disappointed that the brilliant upkeep (and decreased grind via increased XP) systems were scrapped by chadz. Really, the couple of hours I got to spend on v.200 are going to be fondly remembered.

Also, in all likelihood, they will never happen again.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Tuna on January 07, 2011, 01:34:23 am
As far as I like 1500 a sec on 1x, reduced upkeep is sweet. I'm pretty sure 3/4 of whiners will adapt, 1/4 will play and keep whining.  :D Still, the update is great and I love ya (not a homo).
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 01:35:40 am
i think 2.00 was a little bit fail  :mrgreen:


-more unique chars  8-)




how they are unique if all dress same shit
all are same lev ?

is a non.sense
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Sambeer on January 07, 2011, 01:37:33 am
after reading all of that... im finding it rly hard to think of any eligible arguments :P    damn

gg i suppose ...
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Gorath on January 07, 2011, 01:45:10 am
at beginning?

you sure you where here at beginning? beginning was same as crpg of 3 day ago except hard cap,  share your  weed man becouse is good, i wanna smoke it  also

The beginning had shield walls, people trying to work together, more diversity in low and mid-tier gear.  None (or very little) tin can lolsword spammitards running around at sprinter speed attacking faster than animations would display properly.  Yes, it's more like in the beginning.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: FICO on January 07, 2011, 01:46:13 am
as i said before. if someone doesn't like where mod is going - better start making your own mod instead of whining.
your vision of this mod is different from mine - you want diversity of styles and warriors and i want teamplay, tactics and some brainwork (not too much). the patch made your and my vision go side by side. if it happen different i'd say: that's it. thanks for lovely mod and hard work, i enjoyed it, now i have to move on.
no whining
the meaning of game is taking a brake from routine so you don't go nuts and fun


hell!!! the post is too long  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: TASS on January 07, 2011, 01:50:20 am
Quote
I'd say that depends on a devs motivation. There are, as far as I can see, two different options: a) The dev wants to play the game itself, b) the dev gets a salary.

Mods can die on two different ways. The first is to run out of players the second is to run out of modders running it. But then was is modding all about? From my own modding experience, it ain't just about gaining a lot of players. Having many followers is fun, but I don't say thats it. You create a mod to realise your own vision of the game. The appreceations from the players are nice, but you need to enjoy the process of creating your mod. As soon as you leave to path of trying to realise your vision, the project dies from within.

I congratulate you for your decision and wish you much success in the future modding this game in the way you think it has to be. So far it seems we have quite the same preferences ;)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Haru_Takeda on January 07, 2011, 01:53:42 am
since you not like your mod chadz but 65% of this community like the old one?

why you not release the old one?  so who wanna play it can do ?i am sure there will be people who will open shitload of server on it. and i am sure also there will be more ppl in the old one that new one.

say sorry after make ppl lose months on a system you created and changed becouse YOU not liked it anymore,  is not properly    a PRO move

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Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Thomek on January 07, 2011, 02:03:38 am
Well pre-big batch wasn't too bad if you were lvl 40 ish. (about a 100 players)

What you have done is a massive one-man undertaking, and I hope some rich game company, or SOMEONE realizes this and give you a reward somehow. It is of course bitter for people to loose all those hours of grind.. :-) But people need to realize that this is a Journey. Game design is a very complex endeavour, catering to mass-psychology of players, economical politics etc etc..

The only gripe I have now is that the grind seems to be a bit short, while it might have been a bit long before.

But with the new XP system, would it not be possible to segregate people into different servers based on their level? Having a 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40 and perhaps a 41+ server (lolserver) would make it possible for people to progress their char's faster and more steadily. (downward limiting)
I do think you have the playerbase to do this now.

This could create a nice community for the elite players, and a chance for others to enjoy their respective levels as well. (perhaps some people would enjoy the lowish level servers and retire often to stay there etc. )

For strategus, I would suggest simply stealing the main concepts of Risk or a similar game, and only AFTER begin to invent more gameplay elements. (in stead of inventing and balancing everything from the beginning. (Because Strategus is a mammoth task!)

And yeah :-) you are also most welcome to join Ninja_ as an honorary member! (The most fun and interesting playstyle around!)

t

(And if you really are into sailing, I might have access to a boat in the Aegan sea next summer if the stars align. Wanna come?)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: balbaroth on January 07, 2011, 02:04:07 am
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don't be a grammar police , i bet English  is not his first language ( i am French Canadian , lethal combination  )   :p 
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: FICO on January 07, 2011, 02:16:55 am
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non, sed linguam latinam  8-)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Varyag on January 07, 2011, 02:18:02 am
The new patch is cool. It feels like good ol' times are back! I am getting fun from Crpg again.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Lamix on January 07, 2011, 02:25:34 am
Only been playing just over a week now, and not going anywhere and damn right you need to have fun otherwise we lose the mod too.
Anyone saying he needs to release the old version for people that want it, i have a reply for you Bollox! if you like the old patch that much you spend the months coding it.
and people moaning about spending months playing, its a game did you have FUN? Then it wasn't a waste it was entertainment, if you don't like it no more move on.

At the end of the day people its free and its what chadz does in his own time unpaid you should be thankful if you enjoyed it at any point even if you don't like where the mod is heading.

Thanks chadz for you're time, effort and cash in supporting this project hope you get the fun back out of it and tell us all who you are so we can pick on you're rusty skills(well they can, i'll be face down in the mud no doubt)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: ZMaNFaRLee on January 07, 2011, 02:27:07 am
actually I want the upkeep to be high to avoid tin cans.  Stuff like that is why I quit wow, that and the ridiculous time sink.  I played battlefield heroes for a long time because I was able to jump in and contribute early on.  I like how chadz is trying to gear it like that.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Lansamur on January 07, 2011, 02:27:43 am
At first I was really like "wtf, thsi patch is utter crap, I won't play cRPG anymore until it gets better again"

Then I was like "hm, actually... I have to focus on gaming now to be good, not to grind, but just be good. I am challenged to kill sbdy without my best gear. Might actually have sth good this patch. I have to rely on my skill, not my armor anymore."

Now, after the Ninjapatch, I am again like "Nah. TinCans comeback with force due to drastically removed upkeep. Pretty much same Iron-fest as before. Nope. Not with me."


And seriously, I pity the Archers. They barely do dmg to me in a Studded Leather Coat, wtf. When I mean challenged, then I want to be challenged from all aspects, not only melee. That's what makes it real fun to play cRPG.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Warcat on January 07, 2011, 02:31:50 am
This patch doesn't hurt Village_Elder very much, his most prized possession was a double heir-loomed robe, Ill have to wait longer to use throwing lances, but I only ever used those for a little bit before retiring anyway. As for my main character, I only ever used him for stategus anyway.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ishar on January 07, 2011, 03:32:28 am
don't be a grammar police , i bet English  is not his first language ( i am French Canadian , lethal combination  )   :p

In fact, he is deliberately trolling. Sent him a PM about his unbelievably formatted posts, and his response was that he is raging and wants to be annoying. So stop feeding him.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Mutant on January 07, 2011, 04:12:23 am
I am actually having lots of fun in the mod again. Thanks a ton chadz <3
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Blackstone on January 07, 2011, 04:25:59 am
Truly an excellent Mod that can be played for several months, with the potential to be played multiplayer for several years. Extremely well developed system to ensure fairplay and fun. For all of us who spent months to obtain heirloomed items, the second patch is greatly appreciated. The reduced cost of the upkeep system allows me to wear some of those items, though not all, and I agree this is good. Congratulations and thank you for creating one of the best Mods I have ever experienced.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Storm on January 07, 2011, 04:43:09 am
You're not the only one with that kind of mentality, chadz.

And you surely don't have to apologize for those people who found a huge timekiller in your work and gave nothing back but mindless whining and insults. What right do they have, seriously?

Still hate you though.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Siiem on January 07, 2011, 04:44:04 am
I have played through 2 entire nights, I didn't even do that before the patch ever. You created something beautifull here :) don't be disheartended by all the whineing.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: TheMark on January 07, 2011, 05:11:55 am
thanks for the mod chadz and great message. I like the game a lot more because of the patch. keep up the good work.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Lorenzo on January 07, 2011, 05:28:01 am
When i played this mod it was boring as hell at first and my friends were telling me : Wait untill you get lvl 25 then you are gonna have fun.

It took me around 15hours (if not more) before i could enjoy the game (I stayed cause strategus offered a really awesome aspect to the game).

I tried to introduce a couple of friends to cRPG and they just didn't enjoyed it at all, they quit after a few days cause they could not stand to play a game that was simply not fun at all...hiding, running away etc.

With this patch, there is wayyy less plates, armored horses and verry high skilled peoples so less dying for a new player. Plus, it only takes 4-5 hours to be actually competitive. That's simply awesome for the new players you dont have to wait to play!

Now, with a ''cap'' of level, a cap in gear and skills, I think we are gonna begin to see more and more fair fights! Even tough you can get a edge with heirlooming or playing passed the cap, the difference between players is wayyy thiner. That way, the main factor that can make a team win over an other team is the gaming skills of each players and the overall teamplay.

To make it short : Faster curve to get to a competitive level + smaller ''advantages'' range between players = game based more on player's actual skills and more enjoyable gameplay.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Kass on January 07, 2011, 05:35:37 am
Not long ago I got the game and I was like, oh god I love it! Then came the patch 0.200 and I was like, oh god did they ruin it, but no! A hotfix, 0.201 and I was yet again on the mode of 'Oh god, I love it!'.

So, thank you.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Stud_Muffin on January 07, 2011, 06:32:08 am
I love you chadz and i will forever ( or until the next archer nerf patch)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 06:41:24 am
In fact, he is deliberately trolling. Sent him a PM about his unbelievably formatted posts, and his response was that he is raging and wants to be annoying. So stop feeding him.

maybe is what i want moron like you believe


mister troll who add nothing to the discussion only pointless  reply
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: DarkFox on January 07, 2011, 06:51:33 am
Great post,great patch.But I dream 0.200 patch to come back. :)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Gorath on January 07, 2011, 06:51:59 am
maybe is what i want moron like you believe


mister troll who add nothing to the discussion only pointless  reply

Hmmm.

After reviewing the arguments, gonna have to side with Ishar on this one.  He has more e-cred with the community.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: verinen on January 07, 2011, 07:18:51 am
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Do you see, what you did, f*cking whiners? chadz is sad!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Surol on January 07, 2011, 07:27:18 am
well its your passion and i can only support your view. making a game run is not easy.

i only played for a month or so sofar and loved my time.
now im back to being a pesant with no gear but im living with it.

still best of luck with making the game fun once more for you.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Grey on January 07, 2011, 07:37:37 am

Do you see, what you did, f*cking whiners? chadz is sad!

I feel this a bit too, and I personally liked 2.0, bit this is fun too.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Helrekkr on January 07, 2011, 08:23:15 am
Loved the patch, keep up the good work chadz :)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Antip on January 07, 2011, 08:32:56 am
Great patch chadz, correct trivia and would be super, such as adding our armor:)


fundamental error in this patch, too strong nerf shooters
rate archer and crossbow damage should be higher, otherwise we will not get tactical game

Thank you anyway


Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Knute on January 07, 2011, 08:34:27 am
Danke schoen chadz for all your hard work.  You made a free mod that's good enough to pay for.  Now stop crying you storrischer esel!


A lot of people wouldn't even be playing Mount & Blade anymore if it wasn't for this mod. I haven't been able to fully explore the game post patch due to the NA server issues, but the grind version of this game was fun so I'm sure the new version will be as well once the economy has time to right itself. 


Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Gorath on January 07, 2011, 08:39:21 am
Danke schoen chadz for all your hard work.  You made a free mod that's good enough to pay for.  Now stop crying you storrischer esel!


A lot of people wouldn't even be playing Mount & Blade anymore if it wasn't for this mod. I haven't been able to fully explore the game post patch due to the NA server issues, but the grind version of this game was fun so I'm sure the new version will be as well once the economy has time to right itself.

NA servers are back up and running flawlessly now.  Just fyi
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: HexBag on January 07, 2011, 08:53:27 am
i feel ashamed i whined and biatched but i like cRPG as it is and i play the mod
i do think you tweaked archery, aimed is more precise either that or i adapted

TY
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Spasmbot on January 07, 2011, 08:59:57 am
Here another opinion for the pile;

Level cap, soft and hard were absolutely needed. Coming into this game less than two weeks ago and quickly finding out massive agi spammers and gen 10 archers were going to dominate me forever was not a good feeling. Now it's quicker to get to an acceptable level, and you don't need to worry so much about leeching, wanna run around with your buddy who loves to flank as a peasant? No worries!

Nothing but positive there, fights will come down to teamwork and skill more than anything else, just playing on the 80 man for a day I've seen more teamwork than I saw the entire week I played before this.

Upkeep, at 20% it was absolutely depressing. I love plate armor for its aesthetic, being so slow people with staffs beat me down? Okay, at least I look awesome, but at 20% it was impossible to maintain plate without massive amounts of luck. In general the new upkeep changes are strong and good, it has removed meta gaming in the sense of whether or not to wear good gear since you run repair win or lose, and although I found out this afternoon you can't full tin can all the time unless you win non stop (Coming from a person without 150k banked, those guys will probably be able to tin can for a long time.) I'm still generally happy I can wear my armor most of the time and the rest I can run around in a bright blue dress and attract throwing lances.

Archers are a big can of worms I don't know enough to about to get into, but I do see archers doing well so I don't think that it's the doomsday for them.

But most of all I am so happy I never have to join a battle to see 15 black armor players with sniper crossbows on their backs, you have no idea.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Grey on January 07, 2011, 09:12:02 am
chadz can you tell me for sure: Does Halfswording mode on 2h Swords (the x function) use Polearms WPF?  Only Ive heard conflicting things, and Im sry if this is posted somewhere....
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Gnjus on January 07, 2011, 10:04:59 am
Before the patch, people have been asking me what nick I'm playing with. They knew I was one of them, but who? Well, the answer is simple - They knew wrong, I wasn't playing.

What people ? I knew all the time you werent playing at all, since the last time i saw you. No one told me, its pretty simple: if you go undercover there is no more massive asskissing and licking, and you enjoy it too much, you already admitted it.  :wink:

As for the patch: good work, a few more things need to be corrected but it is very enjoyable to finally play without the idiotic ranged spam. Cavalry is maybe a bit overpowered, they are the only ones getting insane scores all the time but meh, you cant have it all.....and maybe its more to the unaware opposition then their own OP-ness, who knows......
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 10:57:40 am
Hmmm.

After reviewing the arguments, gonna have to side with Ishar on this one.  He has more e-cred with the community.


what arguments?

i not heard from him any suggestion- arguments 

only  trolling, and  useless  words.     he added nothing , suggested nothing,      since he exist in the community. 

where i sended pm to chadz all time i finded a bug, i sourvived 9 reset and played this mod since we where 100 ppl in a server that barely got 40 ppl in , and instead  whine and say only  chadz ruined my game, i try explain why,    now game is more  deep, and immersive, and less balanced than what was.


where your  E-FRIEND WITH E-CRED    add only shit like : NO IS NOT,     your formate of text  disturb me.     
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 11:04:27 am
Here another opinion for the pile;

Level cap, soft and hard were absolutely needed. Coming into this game less than two weeks ago and quickly finding out massive agi spammers and gen 10 archers were going to dominate me forever was not a good feeling. Now it's quicker to get to an acceptable level, and you don't need to worry so much about leeching, wanna run around with your buddy who loves to flank as a peasant? No worries!

Nothing but positive there, fights will come down to teamwork and skill more than anything else, just playing on the 80 man for a day I've seen more teamwork than I saw the entire week I played before this.

Upkeep, at 20% it was absolutely depressing. I love plate armor for its aesthetic, being so slow people with staffs beat me down? Okay, at least I look awesome, but at 20% it was impossible to maintain plate without massive amounts of luck. In general the new upkeep changes are strong and good, it has removed meta gaming in the sense of whether or not to wear good gear since you run repair win or lose, and although I found out this afternoon you can't full tin can all the time unless you win non stop (Coming from a person without 150k banked, those guys will probably be able to tin can for a long time.) I'm still generally happy I can wear my armor most of the time and the rest I can run around in a bright blue dress and attract throwing lances.

Archers are a big can of worms I don't know enough to about to get into, but I do see archers doing well so I don't think that it's the doomsday for them.

But most of all I am so happy I never have to join a battle to see 15 black armor players with sniper crossbows on their backs, you have no idea.



ppl like you is uncapable of growing a char thats why you  enjoy the patch.


after a couple of week that you are 30 LIKE ALL THE OTHERS whit no real meritocracy,    let me know if you still have fun.     unlucky for you 65% of the community think that       growing a char, was part of the mod,     ppl love to spend time in  stuff for get more, exactly like you make career on your job in real life,      you expect more gain with time,   and this is a sense of a game based on level and exp,      gift  more dedicated player with some bonus, thing that now not exist any more.      is all based on random upkeep shit     and      BROKEN autobalance, removing totally any   merit on the ability of the player, and the time they invested on the mod.


i readed shitload of player   who not where in plate, accepting to be owned by a plate user, becouse they AIMED to become one also with time, and tbh there was not many plate user, i recon only me and cmp and phaz in merc using a plate all others where using a medium armor, so i not see where ppl where seeeing all this plate users.
Wtf you have to dream when you are lev 30    now?      i remember spending hours tryng to   imaginate how develop my lev 40 char,    and working hard for it, now i made      78 ml xp in 2 day.     for be 30-32     ,      and my friend that joined 3 day ago have at 99,5% my same char.  dressed like me.    so for what we are playng with levels and xp? lets make all born lev 30 directly,    becouse right now  levels have no more sense in this mod.      is flatten.  almost the same of native.     that is the exact motive why we were playng here,    90% not liked native.   and crpg now is a fucking copy.  even less balanced now




I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THAT chadz NOT GOT MORE FUN PLAYNG HIS MOD AND WANNA SOME FUN, WHAT I NOT RESPECT IS HIS LACK OF RESPECT TO ALL THAT PEOPLE (MAJORITY ) THAT STILL HAVE FUN ON IT, SO NOW FOR THE JOY OF A MINORITY    MAJORITY HAVE LOSED FUN. ALL I ASK TO CHAD IS CONTINUE    DEVELOP IN PARALLEL    CRPG OF 2 PATCH AGO, OR LIVE IT TO SOMEONE,       SO BOTH SIDE CAN HAVE FUN.   IS THAT HARD?
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Trout4711 on January 07, 2011, 11:07:15 am
...

Well, while I do my fair share of bitching and moaning, and while my cat still hates you for what you did to archery, I have to say after playing some of my alts that the patch basically a good thing - there is still much balancing to do, but it was a step in the right direction.

So, yes you did the right thing!


I would have liked it even more if you have had the patience and persistence for proper testing/bugfixing/balancing before the fact. Since I develop software for a living, I know how much and how *annoying* work that is. So I feel with you in that regard. Nevertheless, you could spare yourself and us some major amount of nerve and anger by doing small, controlled and measured steps instead of big fuckoff changes in the future. Oh well, we all live and learn.

Finally I have to say thanks to you for the work you did - we are all having fun because of you, and that deserves some serious kudos.





Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Gorath on January 07, 2011, 11:08:06 am
after a couple of week that you are 30 LIKE ALL THE OTHERS whit no real meritocracy....    unlucky for you 65% of the community think that       growing a char, was part of the mod,     ppl love to spend time in  stuff for get more, exactly like you make career on your job in real life,

It's gamers like you and the others that think this way that has made the quality of games shittier and shittier with each passing year and basically turned what was once an amazing subculture market into a generic assembly production line of rehashed shit in a fancy box.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 11:13:20 am
It's gamers like you and the others that think this way that has made the quality of games shittier and shittier with each passing year and basically turned what was once an amazing subculture market into a generic assembly production line of rehashed shit in a fancy box.

except that i was in internet since 1995, with pc and i am a hardcore player who only played FULL LOOT GAME,        like meridian59  ultima online since his beta  (leaved with aos insurance etc),  eve online,  darkfall,  dark age of camelot  etc                 i avoided totally wow, and all game like this, where     there was no full loot, and was easy mode.

you probably where playng on your play station 1 at that time, so next time think before talk, becouse with me you fall very bad, i was a nerd at 13 years old, and gone online with an amiga 1200 first time in 1994,       and online at that timing there was only hardcore people, who not where whining on any brutal   mechanics like full loot,      is your generation that bringed wow , at my time ppl who where online where ppl   with high competence on pc, not last 15 years old with his youporn and    xbox.

but even uo was a grind and develop on char   + your skill, is the nature of every game based on skill with 5% xp and levels.           if you remove this factors become      more and arcade fps,   in this cade an arcade fps    in medioeval epoque.          and if ppl wanna bullshit me, with stuff like, now is only skill based.

remove exp and gold at timing, place it only     to who kill ,    so will be based on skill of player, and who is good      grow and upkeep  armor, other suck . and trust me i not suck    so i am all up for a thing like that, if you wanna play the     SKILL only card.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Belatu on January 07, 2011, 11:14:20 am
I am a horse archer and i feel a litle bit fucked up with the patch.... but anyway I think It is just awesome!!! cool work,, I like the way it goes also I like to your oppinion about wht should be this mod... I think like you... I have started playibng this thing after playing massive rpg online... and I feel loathed of that shit, grinding and lookking for very stupid objects ti try to hide how bad player I am.


Just keep going this way, it is good, and it makes the difference.

Also I said you at the beggining of this proyect that donations should be not only dedicated for maintaining the server, also they should pay your hours of work. Or be able to pay the hours of work of whoever helps you.
Encourage the donations system.

I say.

Best regards.

Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Phazey on January 07, 2011, 11:24:01 am
Good for you chadz. You are absolutely right, the changes are good and you still have my undying faith and support. :D

I have been enjoying cRPG massively in the last two months. During my recent vacation the second half of december, i exceeded 40 hours per week, i think.  :shock:

Now, you must understand, playing the game from my perspective is a quite different from most players, because i am a Merc and my main character was indeed 40+ for quite a while now. To add to that potent mix i've been doing tactics: i've been trying to get teams to organize and try different simple strategies together to encourage teamplay.

Honestly, this whole tactics thing started with my desire to win more rounds. But as time passed i started to realize that it's insanely fun and very, very satsifying to lead the troops and actually get good results! In the beginning, the feedback has been mixed. Some players disagreed with my attempts to play tactics together, especially at the beginning... but lately it seems the community has gotten used to it.

So, as a decked out tincan on an armored horse, leading the troops has been fantastic. It's been the main reason why i play so much.

But i totally agree with your analysis. The game was all about getting to level 40 and characters really only became usable after like level 25 or maybe 30.... and you still often were at a serious disadvantage until you got to 35 or even 40, making the game a bit of a grindfest.

When the .200 patch came, at first i was a bit shocked at how radical the changes were. But soon i was all exited about the repair costs. It forced me to rethink my gear choices... every round! Did i dare to use my good stuff? How confident was i that i could make our team win this round? Did i dare to gamble and risk paying 10k or more repair costs?

So cRPG was all new and exiting again. Tactics was on a low simmer for a while, becauase people need time to settle down and get used to the new system... but at least i really felt challenged once more!

Then the .201 patch came and winning the round didn't matter anymore: gear decays anyway and so rethinking my gear and the 'gambling' aspect vanished.
However: you did add the ingame voice commands! Thank you for that. They are great! My team now uses those a lot. I remember a scene where i run up a hill, plant the flag and from various players in my team the 'Hold this position' voice command sounded. Great stuff! It really works and helps the tactics aspect of the game.

Hopefully you can find a way to change the repair system back, so winning a round means no repair costs. Or maybe winning a round minimizes repair costs somewhat. Other than that, i'm really looking forward to getting back to my old game of playing mr. commander and trying to get all those random people to play as a team. It's been great fun and still is.  :)

Anyhoo, i really like all the work you've been doing on cRPG and fully support your choices. You are right to change it. It's your mod!
Keep up the good work, don't listen to all the whiners too much and know that we support your choices and love your mod.

P.S.: Personally, i still think you should get some sort of a salary from the community and i'd love to see more people donate. Or maybe not a salary, but maybe you can take out a small percentage of the donations to buy yourself a decent pc and pay for the heating costs at your place. You deserve it.

P.P.S.: Looking at Thomek's post suggesting to split cRPG servers into different 'tiers'. No! Don't split. The great thing about cRPG is that every round you play against a mixed bag of players. Newbies, pro's, highlevels and lowlevels thrown into a big brawl. Keep it that way. I like that.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: krampe on January 07, 2011, 11:31:06 am
Changes are great!
I can maintain equip worth 50k easily, no to massive arrowspam, no forcefields (have to skill shield because my feet get hit so much with my wodden shield), no uberfast chars (yeah i know i was one of them before i retired)
Ingame char menu rocks even though it still have some bugs.
Probably want to raise the upkeep cost to 10%, there are far too much plated chargers ;)

Thank you very much for your work Florian!

P.S. Just ignore the one playing the MORON only card
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 11:34:52 am
stuff



except that now you will have no tactics becouse play on formation, make shield wall etc have 0 sense, since win or lose you have upkeep anyway and win or lose you get xp and gold.       ppl where together cause area exp.       now i see 60 vs 60 ppl spread around map. with no sense -.-     
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ishar on January 07, 2011, 11:36:06 am
no forcefields (have to skill shield because my feet get hit so much with my wodden shield)

Can't believe I forgot this: it's great! It's more fun and challenging to play a shielder now.

Quote
except that now you will have no tactics becouse play on formation, make shield wall etc have 0 sense, since win or lose you have upkeep anyway and win or lose you get xp and gold.       ppl where together cause area exp.       now i see 60 vs 60 ppl spread around map. with no sense -.-     

Tactics != clusterfuck
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 11:41:45 am
Can't believe I forgot this: it's great! It's more fun and challenging to play a shielder now.

Tactics != clusterfuck

i am a shielder user since mod was release and i always finded stupid that huscarl was able to  block an arrow even if ppl aimed at my head or   foot, so i am ok with   force field  nerf.

what you and your troll friend gorath not get, is that mod loosed  tactics, and deepness     with this new system,   i am sure in a week from now when all are 30,    ppl will be bored much more fast than grind chars.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: hidden on January 07, 2011, 11:43:47 am
This is what I wanted from the start. Just to be able to choose my own gear and character within a fairly mild amount of time/grind and to be pretty similar to native in that most people playing in the round are using average armor.

I hated the endless grind, I would play even when not really having fun just to get the equipment I wanted for my character because if I just played when I wanted to it would take forever. I would run into battle and die, then minimize the game and surf the internet untill the next round.

But whats the point you spend all this time not having fun just painstakingly playing battle over and over waiting to get your items telling yourself the fun starts then, and eventually you get your awesome super weapon/armor but what is there to do now but play battle of which you are completely bored of.

Anyway I for one really love the new system and am happy its changed.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Michael on January 07, 2011, 11:46:11 am
Okay, what I think about the opening post I have already written in DaveUKR s topic 'leaving crpg' on taleworld forums, where I read your comment first.

But I have forgotten to comment the most important sentence:

I am sorry for every single one I have disappointed,


You are so wrong. SO wrong. You have disappointed noone, I am certain. At least, I can say you have never disappointed me, and I know you never will. I dont like the hotfix, actually hate it, so what? Not a big deal.
Also, we players are bots, forgotten? =)



Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Phazey on January 07, 2011, 11:46:16 am
(...) since win or lose you have upkeep anyway and win or lose you get xp and gold. (...) now i see 60 vs 60 ppl spread around map.

True, that's why i asked chadz to see if he can get the "win = no repair costs"-change back into cRPG. I'm confident that if that's possible, he'll get that back in there. After all, the game is supposed to be played to win.

I think the main reason why the "win = no repair"-change was taken out was this: people tended to go naked when they thought the team was about to lose a round again instead of trying to win. Personally, i think people were just angry and protested by going naked. It really made no financial sense at all because minimal gear is so much better than going naked and repair costs of a shirt, straw hat, cheap shield and sword are negligible.

And on top of that: not trying to win a round at all is a waste of time and can be considered griefing in a way. It spoils the game for your teammates that ARE trying to win and ARE putting their gold on the line.

It's like running away from the battle or prolonging it needlessly by camping unreachable roofs. There are many ways for players to spoil a crpg round and there always will be many ways.

The fix is simple: just don't accept people going naked. Kick leechers and nakeds. Tell them to get at least a shirt and pitchfork and try to win a round. Talk to them.

If the communtiy frowns upon going naked, people will soon stop doing it. And if that's too optimistic: if you make it a server rule not to go naked, i'm pretty sure that would stop that fast.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on January 07, 2011, 11:46:59 am
Meah... chadz have spoken. I respect hes point of view. It is hes mod.
I hate the patch, but he has right to do whatever he wants. End of story.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Babelfish on January 07, 2011, 11:53:53 am
but even uo was a grind and develop on char   + your skill, is the nature of every game based on skill with 5% xp and levels.           if you remove this factors become      more and arcade fps,   in this cade an arcade fps    in medioeval epoque.          and if ppl wanna bullshit me, with stuff like, now is only skill based.

remove exp and gold at timing, place it only     to who kill ,    so will be based on skill of player, and who is good      grow and upkeep  armor, other suck . and trust me i not suck    so i am all up for a thing like that, if you wanna play the     SKILL only card.

Jesus...how can you call yourself a pvp'r with that opinion? Grind =/= skills.

Grind =/= skills

The reason the game is more skills based now, is that nobody has broken the game with their level 40 characters. And there is a even playing-field.

Now go fuck yourself  :wink:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 12:02:15 pm
Jesus...how can you call yourself a pvp'r with that opinion? Grind =/= skills.

Grind =/= skills

The reason the game is more skills based now, is that nobody has broken the game with their level 40 characters. And there is a even playing-field.

Now go fuck yourself  :wink:


grind was part of skill,  example merlin88 ? a very bad player even if was a fucking grinder and in full plate.


now go fuck yourself,        ball less player,   who wanna all and easy since start  we no   stomach for  earn something with time.        go play native if you wanna born spawn in leather and use only your skill,    this mod have rpg on name, that means levels, means exp, means gain something from this stuff, i was all up for nerf platers, nerf bonus, make levels more hard, and  speed 1-30 levels.       everything for    make ppl feel gimped if they  are not lev 40+, but from that to     negate every single    bonus possible gived by months of playng no

and now mod is not skill based, is random based,    wanna skill only again,   make that only who kill gain xp and gold, and lets see who will go around in plate if me or you

this mod is what is thx to player like me who  grinded 9 reset of chars,   first than ppl like you comed  , i think we deserve a little more consideration.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Michael on January 07, 2011, 12:05:25 pm
i was all exited about the repair costs. It forced me to rethink my gear choices... every round! Did i dare to use my good stuff? How confident was i that i could make our team win this round? Did i dare to gamble and risk paying 10k or more repair costs?

[.............................]

Then the .201 patch came and winning the round didn't matter anymore: gear decays anyway and so rethinking my gear and the 'gambling' aspect vanished.


I feel the same.





True, that's why i asked chadz to see if he can get the "win = no repair costs"-change back into cRPG. I'm confident that if that's possible, he'll get that back in there. After all, the game is supposed to be played to win.

I think the main reason why the "win = no repair"-change was taken out was this: people tended to go naked when they thought the team was about to lose a round again instead of trying to win. Personally, i think people were just angry and protested by going naked.

Guilty. Caught in the act. I even wrote it in team chat : 'I m done with this team.' lol
I had brought my best stuff, Gaga too, we did what we could but it wasnt enough, we lost 3 rounds in a row, I lost A LOT of gold (over 40.000 gold), and on top of that, I got teamattacked by a couple of negative players..............................so yeah, it was intented to provocate the team a bit.





 
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Phazey on January 07, 2011, 12:11:44 pm
Guilty. Caught in the act. I even wrote it in team chat : 'I m done with this team.' lol
I had brought my best stuff, Gaga too, we did what we could but it wasnt enough, we lost 3 rounds in a row, I lost A LOT of gold (over 40.000 gold), and on top of that, I got teamattacked by a couple of negative players...so yeah, it was intented to provoke the team a bit.

Hahahha ah well, i think if we all give the right example, this going naked thing will stop. There is a simple alternative: a minimal gear layout! Peasant or slightly-better-than-peasant gear really doesn't cause any significant repair costs. So it would be fine to be 'done with this team' and switch to minimal gear instead of going naked. Maybe you get lucky and get a win anyway! And if not, nothing lost. I mean, with the tens of thousands of gold people now earn every night, what's hundred or two hundred gold repair? Nothing!

As soon as people figure out that not going naked but going minimal gear is the way to go if you have no faith in your team, it will get better. :)

In my 800+ hours of cRPG i've seen some pretty unlikely wins. I've seen teams win against all odds. I've seen games start at 40 vs 40, go 30 vs 5 then 15 vs 1 and still have the 1 guy winning the round for the rest of the team.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: bruce on January 07, 2011, 12:17:19 pm
True, that's why i asked chadz to see if he can get the "win = no repair costs"-change back into cRPG. I'm confident that if that's possible, he'll get that back in there. After all, the game is supposed to be played to win.
that fast.

If you play with 1x modifier all the time, you could support in theory 20-25k of gear. If you play with 5x modifier all the time, you could support 100K+ of gear. That's *not* a incentive to win? How?

And we all know how autobalance works. It does its job after the first round, then more or less quits working. So you're free to bring out the lame stuff which was the reason upkeep was introduced in the first place, and it costs you nothing, and further cements the losing team's devastation. With the new gold generation, dozens of us could afford plated tanks and black armour for the "yay, we're on the winning team" situations.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Kafein on January 07, 2011, 12:21:08 pm
Progressing and if you want to call it like that, grind is why I played cRPG and not Native.

Goddamnit : it's called "cRPG"

Call this mod "Mario Kart" if you don't want a grind factor. The name cRPG is misleading since the patch.

What I liked was skill and grind put together. As a skilled player, you can take out grinders without any difficulty. The best results come from people that are both skilled and have grinded much. If you have less equipment/levels, the odds are against you with an equal player skill. There's no shame in loosing. Some people are now defending the patch because the pre patch version was a "tincan oneshotting peasants" fest. In fact it was very far from that. Less than roughly 10% of players had plate. Many of the best players were using mid armor, and the best weapons weren't the costly ones.

If chadz really plans on making cRPG a Native mode with little to no grind and some additional (and imba) armors and weapons, great I suppose. The "build what you want" thingy isn't very true, since you can choose a class and your gear in Native too.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Eyerra on January 07, 2011, 12:24:17 pm
I still love chadz.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Michael on January 07, 2011, 12:31:20 pm
If you play with 1x modifier all the time, you could support in theory 20-25k of gear. If you play with 5x modifier all the time, you could support 100K+ of gear. That's *not* a incentive to win? How?

I explained it a couple of times but you see my posts and your brain is blocked with, ah, the fucking asehole that bumped me to death with his fucking heavy plated charger a fucking thousand times......................


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And we all know how autobalance works. It does its job after the first round,

In other words: I am doing ok the first round, autobalance thinks I am a superhero that can lead a bunch of losers to victory, I get teamswitched, and I fail. I am no superhero. With the right team I can kill many, with a fail team I can do a k d of 2, perhaps 3 but thats it. What can I say what can I do what I am supposed to do? Play extra bad the first round? Not my style. 

 
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 12:31:24 pm
Progressing and if you want to call it like that, grind is why I played cRPG and not Native.

Goddamnit : it's called "cRPG"

Call this mod "Mario Kart" if you don't want a grind factor. The name cRPG is misleading since the patch.

What I liked was skill and grind put together. As a skilled player, you can take out grinders without any difficulty. The best results come from people that are both skilled and have grinded much. If you have less equipment/levels, the odds are against you with an equal player skill. There's no shame in loosing. Some people are now defending the patch because the pre patch version was a "tincan oneshotting peasants" fest. In fact it was very far from that. Less than roughly 10% of players had plate. Many of the best players were using mid armor, and the best weapons weren't the costly ones.

If chadz really plans on making cRPG a Native mode with little to no grind and some additional (and imba) armors and weapons, great I suppose. The "build what you want" thingy isn't very true, since you can choose a class and your gear in Native too.

you take the point m8


grind only player   where bad plate or not plate.

ppl who like this patch are ppl who where afraid to never match      good player+grind,      now they can hope to one shoot them    with 2h sword becouse  we all wear shit stuff,  so 1 error = die.

2h user gained more bonus from this patch than what they where previously,         str build      are even more powerful with ppl with less athletics, armor,  wpf,    skillpoints, hp.     etc
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Grey on January 07, 2011, 12:36:09 pm
Progressing and if you want to call it like that, grind is why I played cRPG and not Native.

Goddamnit : it's called "cRPG"

RPG means Role Playing Game, so we playing different roles, within the limit of 30ish levels, u wanna be 9 str super agi ninja with katana and pure 2h wpf: DO it. Pure Strengh knockdown/crushthru linebreaker character, do that, you can make any char withing 30 levels, usually you will hybridize too. But not when u max out you can start another char, maybe this one with xbow and 1h, and max them in a few days, then have that character too

I see the game as better, since for me the fact rpg=gring is what keeps me away from mainstream "rpg's", since THAT kind of gameplay is mainly: Press 1, 2, 3, 4, s, 2, s, s, 1, 2, 3, 4, I win.


BUMP my question: 2h Halfswording: Polearms WPF or 2h WPF used?
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Babelfish on January 07, 2011, 12:36:28 pm

grind was part of skill,  example merlin88 ? a very bad player even if was a fucking grinder and in full plate.


now go fuck yourself,        ball less player,   who wanna all and easy since start  we no   stomach for  earn something with time.        go play native if you wanna born spawn in leather and use only your skill,    this mod have rpg on name, that means levels, means exp, means gain something from this stuff, i was all up for nerf platers, nerf bonus, make levels more hard, and  speed 1-30 levels.       everything for    make ppl feel gimped if they  are not lev 40+, but from that to     negate every single    bonus possible gived by months of playng no

and now mod is not skill based, is random based,    wanna skill only again,   make that only who kill gain xp and gold, and lets see who will go around in plate if me or you

this mod is what is thx to player like me who  grinded 9 reset of chars,   first than ppl like you comed  , i think we deserve a little more consideration.

Grind can never be apart of 'skill'. By saying that you have proved (atleast to me) that you are not only a poor player but also ignorant.

I think its you that wanna have it easy, if you have not noticed i play with sub-par equipment to you and probably less level (36 max). You however in your plate behind your shield on your horse is what i would refer to as playing easymode. No real pvper hailing from UO would ever disgrace himself like you have.

If they made is so only those that kills get exp & gold..I do not think you would wear plate (if we started at scratch) but neither would i, as i would prefer black-lam over plate.

You are a tool and you know it.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on January 07, 2011, 12:39:03 pm

grind was part of skill,  example merlin88 ? a very bad player even if was a fucking grinder and in full plate.


now go fuck yourself,        ball less player,   who wanna all and easy since start  we no   stomach for  earn something with time.        go play native if you wanna born spawn in leather and use only your skill,    this mod have rpg on name, that means levels, means exp, means gain something from this stuff, i was all up for nerf platers, nerf bonus, make levels more hard, and  speed 1-30 levels.       everything for    make ppl feel gimped if they  are not lev 40+, but from that to     negate every single    bonus possible gived by months of playng no

and now mod is not skill based, is random based,    wanna skill only again,   make that only who kill gain xp and gold, and lets see who will go around in plate if me or you

this mod is what is thx to player like me who  grinded 9 reset of chars,   first than ppl like you comed  , i think we deserve a little more consideration.

I sense so much rage in this post it's insane, everything from excessive insults to bad grammar and just random rambling. Anyway "grind was part of skill" made me grin.

Also, RPG does not equal grind.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 12:40:29 pm
RPG means Role Playing Game, so we playing different roles, within the limit of 30ish levels, u wanna be 9 str super agi ninja with katana and pure 2h wpf: DO it. Pure Strengh knockdown/crushthru linebreaker character, do that, you can make any char withing 30 levels, usually you will hybridize too. But not when u max out you can start another char, maybe this one with xbow and 1h, and max them in a few days, then have that character too

I see the game as better, since for me the fact rpg=gring is what keeps me away from mainstream "rpg's", since THAT kind of gameplay is mainly: Press 1, 2, 3, 4, s, 2, s, s, 1, 2, 3, 4, I win.


BUMP my question: 2h Halfswording: Polearms WPF or 2h WPF used?


are you really that stupid or what? is a troll right?

what you not get is that the problem is not the class you wanna play  but the means to play a mod based on levels when arrived at lev 30,  play have no more gains.     xp and lev lose sense.        do 50:1  k/d have no sense, since              autobalance is fucken as hell,       so you need only to do some kills first rounds than you can go afk becouse autobalance put first 5-10    kilers on opposite team, and end of any balancement, tactics.

you not play anymore for exp char. you already 30 and gain 2 lev is 100 ml xp for go 32.
you not play anymore for equip, becouse even if you do , you cant use it for more than a couple of rounds.
you not play anymore with tactics becouse you not even need to be on fight,  you can sit afk      on the map waiting for xp and gold.

for what we are playng then a role play game, where  the  deep factor, is completely erased .   , the grow factor of the char
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on January 07, 2011, 12:43:57 pm
You play to better yourself at the game. Not the character.
Atleast, that's what I do.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: hidden on January 07, 2011, 12:45:53 pm
Progressing and if you want to call it like that, grind is why I played cRPG and not Native.

Goddamnit : it's called "cRPG"

Call this mod "Mario Kart" if you don't want a grind factor. The name cRPG is misleading since the patch.

What I liked was skill and grind put together. As a skilled player, you can take out grinders without any difficulty. The best results come from people that are both skilled and have grinded much. If you have less equipment/levels, the odds are against you with an equal player skill. There's no shame in loosing. Some people are now defending the patch because the pre patch version was a "tincan oneshotting peasants" fest. In fact it was very far from that. Less than roughly 10% of players had plate. Many of the best players were using mid armor, and the best weapons weren't the costly ones.

If chadz really plans on making cRPG a Native mode with little to no grind and some additional (and imba) armors and weapons, great I suppose. The "build what you want" thingy isn't very true, since you can choose a class and your gear in Native too.

RPG stands for Role Playing Game which means exactly that, a game where you act out a role (which doesn't really fit cRPG that well anyway since most people just buy the best equip then can). Many RPGs also include skills and the ability to upgrade and improve skills which cRPG does.
 
The only way the patch is different is that the amount of grind is reduced, so how does less grind make it any less of a RPG.

Does RPG now mean fuk-ton of grind?

Anyway the difference between native and this is that you keep your gear at the end of the round , can design you character in many different ways and have a much larger choice of gear as well as a gradual progression of improving your gear and equip (you know that thing "grind" which is still there just less)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 12:46:43 pm
Grind can never be apart of 'skill'. By saying that you have proved (atleast to me) that you are not only a poor player but also ignorant.

I think its you that wanna have it easy, if you have not noticed i play with sub-par equipment to you and probably less level (36 max). You however in your plate behind your shield on your horse is what i would refer to as playing easymode. No real pvper hailing from UO would ever disgrace himself like you have.

If they made is so only those that kills get exp & gold..I do not think you would wear plate (if we started at scratch) but neither would i, as i would prefer black-lam over plate.

You are a tool and you know it.

if grind was no  skill

why all ninja where  agi abuser with 2h sword'?      al same builde spam spam spam spam, that worked vs  noob player but not vs good player.

all so bad that everytime i saw a ninja i was going towards him and he was dead withouth even force me to faint lol


an entire clan based on a skill-less    build, now talk about skill.

funny indeed
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 12:50:33 pm
RPG stands for Role Playing Game which means exactly that, a game where you act out a role (which doesn't really fit cRPG that well anyway since most people just buy the best equip then can). Many RPGs also include skills and the ability to upgrade and improve skills which cRPG does.
 
The only way the patch is different is that the amount of grind is reduced, so how does less grind make it any less of a RPG.

Does RPG now mean fuk-ton of grind?

Anyway the difference between native and this is that you keep your gear at the end of the round , can design you character in many different ways and have a much larger choice of gear as well as a gradual progression of improving your gear and equip (you know that thing "grind" which is still there just less)


becouse grind is part of the personalization of the char, more  points  = more variability,      of builds, equipment etc.   

all same lev same wpf,    same range of equip   = less variety, less sense to grow and develop a char,             grind or any form of leveling a char,   time based (like eve online etc)   premiate who play more.   and is part of role play game,     where you play a char a class,    with the bonus that  experience and equipment  give  to you.     now we removed everything.     

we are  robots, all same lev, same equip range,     less usable builds, less tools /chance to personalize the char for a certain style of game.     

as you like play ninja  with an agi spam build,  OP, and skillless
i like play  armored  guy,    who need much more effort  tbh  considering time it needed for be competitive   with crpf 3 day ago, + cost of equip.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: King Ahab on January 07, 2011, 12:51:50 pm
Hooray for chadz for having backbone and sticking to his original ideas about the mod!

I was apalled when I couldn't wear my platyplate anymore. Then, I bought light leather, started making tons of cash.... and......the game got fun again!

Not because of the cash and stuff, but because I STILL have the same build, people just all go down easier. Not to mention that I'm bloody fast in that light leather outfit:O! I can finally block something from time to time!

Thank you chadz, for giving me back my soul!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: BD_SUPERBEAST on January 07, 2011, 12:54:16 pm
Patch is great. Batles feel more natural and less uberfast with the new heirloom modifiers and the upkeep and xp system. I actually love the patch.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Michael on January 07, 2011, 12:56:37 pm
Guys, relax, calm down a bit, after all, its a mod for free to a videogame, nothing earth-shaking.


Vicious, trolls like Gorath is best to ignore, they dont deserve your time.


Khorin, and Lisa, what makes him rage so much is that people like you who profit of the hotfix so much make fun of him. The class you love to play is easier than ever with taking all of its natural enemies completely out of the game (yes, even I will outrun of money soon with the current system with random upkeep even if I win all rounds, what is impossible). You will be able to play the class you love ALL THE TIME, we cant play our classes any more no matter how good we do, its simply impossible, because upkeep is random. If we want to play the class we have fun with we would have to many many hours of mindless grind with cheap shitty gear. You win, we lose, leave him alone.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Olwen on January 07, 2011, 12:59:08 pm
YOU KILLED THE MOD ! HATE YOU ! GTX !

if you give us a proper strategus patch with all the stuff you let us hoping for maybe i'll forgive you, but only if it comes out fast

and stop your trolling with your drama thread ! whiner !


 :lol:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Michael on January 07, 2011, 01:00:56 pm
Hooray for chadz for having backbone and sticking to his original ideas about the mod!



Are you trying to be ironic? Patch was out a few hours, then whiners made him change it completely. Archers will get their pierce damage back soon, I am certain. Maybe old animations, too. We will see.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Eyerra on January 07, 2011, 01:02:25 pm

Are you trying to be ironic? Patch was out a few hours, then whiners made him change it completely. Archers will get their pierce damage back soon, I am certain. Maybe old animations, too. We will see.

But I like the new animation! o_o

Pierce is very nice.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: krampe on January 07, 2011, 01:02:53 pm
grind was part of skill,  example merlin88 ? a very bad player even if was a fucking grinder and in full plate.

now go fuck yourself,        ball less player,   who wanna all and easy since start  we no   stomach for  earn something with time.        go play native if you wanna born spawn in leather and use only your skill,    this mod have rpg on name, that means levels, means exp, means gain something from this stuff, i was all up for nerf platers, nerf bonus, make levels more hard, and  speed 1-30 levels.       everything for    make ppl feel gimped if they  are not lev 40+, but from that to     negate every single    bonus possible gived by months of playng no

and now mod is not skill based, is random based,    wanna skill only again,   make that only who kill gain xp and gold, and lets see who will go around in plate if me or you

this mod is what is thx to player like me who  grinded 9 reset of chars,   first than ppl like you comed  , i think we deserve a little more consideration.

Merlin was an archer (a good one, maybe ask one of your grandpa archer friends who of course are the only real ones). I congrate you beating an archer! Who are you anyway?
Oh right you are the pro owning menace playing since sucking your brother breast and made the mod what it is today (or before patch).
You claim you're close to 30 years old but why do you act so immature then? The raging and flaming and stuff? Did the evil chadz take your candy away?
Being part of something since the beginning is no achievement, like growing older, everyone can do that.
If you despise cRPG so much now then go to where full loot is or either code your spinoff, it's not hard. Took me about a week to learn a bit python to call webservices etc. Such a pro like you does it in a day, since you were here since the bigbang. (btw Amiga sucked Atari ftw)
I have to disappoint you, you have no more rights than the freshest peasant started playing yesterday.
You say you own in gaming? You have ubar skills? Ok, if you say so i believe you, but its level up time, now increase the social skills and try to be nice. (if there are any points left what i doubt put some in english)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on January 07, 2011, 01:04:01 pm
Vicious: I'm just gonna ignore your attempts at insulting the Ninja clan.

The personalisation is still there. It's just making it more balanced for those who don't have the time to retire 9 times to give them and advantage over other. And I thought people like you would be excited! Think about it, there's so much more grinding to be done now to reach level 40! My ninja was level 35 and I'm happy with this patch, even though it has decreased the amount of black armoured mace wielding strength build guys that raged over my ability to swing faster than them.

Michael: I got nerfed pretty heavily aswell. I went from 29 agi, 220 wpf and a 106 speed weapon to 25 agi, 170 wpf and a 101 speed weapon. The class I love was slapped aswell, but I don't care.
I'm not making fun of him not being able to play his class. I'm making fun of his grind = skill ideas. And I don't like this random upkeep either. I think the pre-fix was much better. Less random and more dependant on the skill of the players.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Trout4711 on January 07, 2011, 01:04:52 pm

are you really that stupid or what? is a troll right?

what you not get is that the problem is not the class you wanna play  but the means to play a mod based on levels when arrived at lev 30,  play have no more gains.     xp and lev lose sense.        do 50:1  k/d have no sense, since              autobalance is fucken as hell,       so you need only to do some kills first rounds than you can go afk becouse autobalance put first 5-10    kilers on opposite team, and end of any balancement, tactics.

you not play anymore for exp char. you already 30 and gain 2 lev is 100 ml xp for go 32.
you not play anymore for equip, becouse even if you do , you cant use it for more than a couple of rounds.
you not play anymore with tactics becouse you not even need to be on fight,  you can sit afk      on the map waiting for xp and gold.

for what we are playng then a role play game, where  the  deep factor, is completely erased .   , the grow factor of the char

I think vicious is just one of those kids that are fucked up by the current generation of MMORPGs...

Mindless grinding (aka grinding without some amount of player skill, without some drive to really play the game to the best of your abilities) does not show skill, it just shows that you have nothing better to do than play some game.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: 3ABP on January 07, 2011, 01:06:57 pm
Thx you chadz - what you keep this mod (and this game) alive.
Live = changes. No changes = death.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Kafein on January 07, 2011, 01:22:46 pm
Don't try to argue between grind-lovers and grind-haters, they allways said.

Well, if you think the nice thing about cRPG is making your own char with a defined set of skill, attribute points and equipment value, nice for you. If I want to play that way, I prefer returning to Native multiplayer. In Native each faction has 3 classes (except 2 for khergits who aren't played anyway). So we have 5 * 3 = 15 different character builds. On top of that, you can choose your equipment, which will completly change the way you play the game. cRPG offers similar personalisation now. And finally, doing good will allow you to buy better gear over time (on one map) in Native, which isn't true anymore in cRPG.


So in Native we have progression, and in cRPG we have no more.

I know RPG doesn't mean grinding. I play old editions of D&D with friends, I enjoy playing a real RPG. But here we are not playing a real RPG with roleplaying.

Videogames called "RPG" are associated with some kind of progression system. That's not my fault. It's just a common misunderstanding so common that it's now the rule. You'll never play like in a real RPG in a videogame anyway. Especially when it comes to multiplayer and PVP ! With PVP, people try to find "efficient" builds. Many aren't even interested at all in roleplaying.

What my point is, is that RPG means grinding in our context. We are playing what many game magasines would call a "PVP only MMORPG with TPS medieval fighting". Some people actually like grinding. I like grinding, I like playing for the challenge, I like playing just to relax... But I like the games I play for a determined reason not to change their "type". I liked Native for the skill dimension. If cRPG becomes like Native, one of those is useless for me. Me and MANY people (just watch the polls and the so-called "whine" threads that give options to change the system) associated cRPG to a mixed skill-and-grind game, which had a very good balance between those two factors ! No wonder we are dissapointed !

If you personally associated cRPG to an old school RPG, good for you. That's apparently what chadz wanted.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 01:23:49 pm
Merlin was an archer (a good one, maybe ask one of your grandpa archer friends who of course are the only real ones). I congrate you beating an archer! Who are you anyway?
Oh right you are the pro owning menace playing since sucking your brother breast and made the mod what it is today (or before patch).
You claim you're close to 30 years old but why do you act so immature then? The raging and flaming and stuff? Did the evil chadz take your candy away?
Being part of something since the beginning is no achievement, like growing older, everyone can do that.
If you despise cRPG so much now then go to where full loot is or either code your spinoff, it's not hard. Took me about a week to learn a bit python to call webservices etc. Such a pro like you does it in a day, since you were here since the bigbang. (btw Amiga sucked Atari ftw)
I have to disappoint you, you have no more rights than the freshest peasant started playing yesterday.
You say you own in gaming? You have ubar skills? Ok, if you say so i believe you, but its level up time, now increase the social skills and try to be nice. (if there are any points left what i doubt put some in english)

merlin88 where a tincan user   shield+sword      sometimes with crossbow not an archer definitively
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 01:25:32 pm
Vicious: I'm just gonna ignore your attempts at insulting the Ninja clan.

The personalisation is still there. It's just making it more balanced for those who don't have the time to retire 9 times to give them and advantage over other. And I thought people like you would be excited! Think about it, there's so much more grinding to be done now to reach level 40! My ninja was level 35 and I'm happy with this patch, even though it has decreased the amount of black armoured mace wielding strength build guys that raged over my ability to swing faster than them.

Michael: I got nerfed pretty heavily aswell. I went from 29 agi, 220 wpf and a 106 speed weapon to 25 agi, 170 wpf and a 101 speed weapon. The class I love was slapped aswell, but I don't care.
I'm not making fun of him not being able to play his class. I'm making fun of his grind = skill ideas. And I don't like this random upkeep either. I think the pre-fix was much better. Less random and more dependant on the skill of the players.


ahaha you got nerfed?

i was 267 wpf
now 182

33 agi
now 24

all my equip unusuable, i needed to buy a new one.
my loomed weapon unusable, becouse  i cant afford a 12k sword+ 10k of shield  +  an armor lets say even oworth 10k., withouth starting to sink gold instead earn


dont be ridiculous ..

and again you fuclking stupid, i not say grind is skill,   IS PART of skill,     or anyway part of what crpg  IS since it borned until chadz decided basicly to change the mod completely  reversing the initial  set up, to something much less  deep and appealing to majority of the community.     go watch    the poll about the patch.
onyl 25% of ppl like crpg like is now, and  COINCIDENCE, majority are bad player, not player with many items, not player with high levels, not player (like you)  who got terribly nerfed on his style of playng by the patch.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on January 07, 2011, 01:46:13 pm
I'm curious to what you concider a bad player. Because in my opinion good players(players with skill) should be extremely happy with this patch now that there are no level 40+ guys beating them with nothing but levels. A bad players only chance to be good in this mod is to be higher level than all others that has been taken away.

And I'm sorry if I can't feel bad for you losing the most ridiculously powerful character I've seen. You probably could've outspammed my ninja with that character.
But yeah I'll modify the formula from my last post. You didn't say
"Grind = Skill", you said "Grind + X = Skill"
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ishar on January 07, 2011, 01:50:37 pm
I'm curious to what you concider a bad player. Because in my opinion good players(players with skill) should be extremely happy with this patch now that there are no level 40+ guys beating them with nothing but levels. A bad players only chance to be good in this mod is to be higher level than all others that has been taken away.

+1
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Kafein on January 07, 2011, 01:51:29 pm
Yes... Vicious allthough we agree on the changes, your definition of a good player seems extremely strange. Grind doesn't mean anything. It's just fun and motivation for me. Nothing to do with any form of skill.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Lamix on January 07, 2011, 01:52:15 pm
Jesus F***! Read this part.

The decision was between stopping the project cRPG altogether, or change it radically. Therefore, keeping it as it was, was actually NO option, at least not from my side.

Stop bitching becuase its not anyones choice but chadz, you don't like the mod no more then go find somthing else to do there are other things in life then a free mod and whining!!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: krampe on January 07, 2011, 01:52:38 pm
merlin88 where a tincan user   shield+sword      sometimes with crossbow not an archer definitively

Ah okay i was refering to Merlin_888
for example stats from top

krampe_HRE vs Qalyut - Hide Details
- Battle time: 11.11., 00:00
- Battle duration: 18m33s
- Army size: 2082 vs 1710
- Battle result: 0 vs 155
- Winner: Defender

Merlin_888                   107:52   1 G           1000   archer
Cris                                   95:75   1 G           1000   
Fallen_KingBread           51:55   1 G           1   
krampe_HRE                   50:69   0 G           1   
vMega_HRE                   47:52   0 G           1   
Shogunate_BD_Cicero   47:52   740 G   1   
Rogue_HRE                   47:71   0 G           1   
Merc_Vicious666_IV           45:64   580 G   400

But i see you don't rage about my post, i really appreciate that :)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on January 07, 2011, 02:01:23 pm
Guys, it seems we are looking at cRPG from 2 different sides. One side is more of a "diablo", the other is more like "counter strike" with swords...

Diablo is a "grind" game in your terms, but would you dare to say it is a bad/shit game? Yes, in counter strike you are rewarded for your personal/physical abilities. In Diablo - its your ability to plan, your patience and your in-game gear.  ( not 100% so, but you get the idea )

I have never liked or played "platform" games like Mario, Ninja Gaiden and such. For the same reason i do not like the new cRPG system / Native system - my ability to quickly push buttons, in a whack-a-mole way, or make a 0.1 sec 180 turn to shoot a pixel sized enemy 1 km away -  is not fun or rewarding. I do not wish to posses such a "skill". I do like BFBC2 ( lvl 43 there if i am not mistaken ) and old Counter Strike how it was back in 90's - but both of the mentioned FPS games are WAY better for that "skill" based game-play, some cRPG players want/like.

cRPG was a fine combination of both. For me, and many others it seems, RPG element of cRPG was the key to a fun game. When i first installed cRPG in summer - i felt lucky! Finally! An RPG game that do not have a "lock" system!!! I had to actually hit/shoot/parry - not just "lock" and click on a skill button. ( i have never played WoW, but i loved Diablo and Hellgate London )

So for me cRPG was an action RPG game without the annoying "target lock" system. The patch made it - a 3rd/1st person action shooter with some rpg elements ( the last CoD has about the same feeling to it ).

Please do not get angry! It is not a good or bad thing. Same as Diablo and Counter Strike - its a different game now. And it attracts different players.

Again, its chadz's mod. So even though i do not like the direction cRPG took - I can only accept it or leave.

I think i will stick around for a while. After all - i have played over 600 hours. And i like 1st person shooters too! Just have to re-adjust!

Peace guys!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 02:02:03 pm
Ah okay i was refering to Merlin_888
for example stats from top

krampe_HRE vs Qalyut - Hide Details
- Battle time: 11.11., 00:00
- Battle duration: 18m33s
- Army size: 2082 vs 1710
- Battle result: 0 vs 155
- Winner: Defender

Merlin_888                   107:52   1 G           1000   archer
Cris                                   95:75   1 G           1000   
Fallen_KingBread           51:55   1 G           1   
krampe_HRE                   50:69   0 G           1   
vMega_HRE                   47:52   0 G           1   
Shogunate_BD_Cicero   47:52   740 G   1   
Rogue_HRE                   47:71   0 G           1   
Merc_Vicious666_IV           45:64   580 G   400

But i see you don't rage about my post, i really appreciate that :)
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you now right that merc vicious IV was merely a lev  what 24,   full agi full wpf only for retirement purposes right? like the 3 the 2 the 1
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 02:03:46 pm
Guys, it seems we are looking at cRPG from 2 different sides. One side is more of a "diablo", the other is more like "counter strike" with swords...

Diablo is a "grind" game in your terms, but would you dare to say it is a bad/shit game? Yes, in counter strike you are rewarded for your personal/physical abilities. In Diablo - its your ability to plan, your patience and your in-game gear.  ( not 100% so, but you get the idea )

I have never liked or played "platform" games like Mario, Ninja Gaiden and such. For the same reason i do not like the new cRPG system / Native system - my ability to quickly push buttons, in a whack-a-mole way, or make a 0.1 sec 180 turn to shoot a pixel sized enemy 1 km away -  is not fun or rewarding. I do not wish to posses such a "skill". I do like BFBC2 ( lvl 43 there if i am not mistaken ) and old Counter Strike how it was back in 90's - but both of the mentioned FPS games are WAY better for that "skill" based game-play, some cRPG players want/like.

cRPG was a fine combination of both. For me, and many others it seems, RPG element of cRPG was the key to a fun game. When i first installed cRPG in summer - i felt lucky! Finally! An RPG game that do not have a "lock" system!!! I had to actually hit/shoot/parry - not just "lock" and click on a skill button. ( i have never played WoW, but i loved Diablo and Hellgate London )

So for me cRPG was an action RPG game without the annoying "target lock" system. The patch made it - a 3rd/1st person action shooter with some rpg elements ( the last CoD has about the same feeling to it ).

Please do not get angry! It is not a good or bad thing. Same as Diablo and Counter Strike - its a different game now. And it attracts different players.

Again, its chadz's mod. So even though i do not like the direction cRPG took - I can only accept it or leave.

I think i will stick around for a while. After all - i have played over 600 hours. And i like 1st person shooters too! Just have to re-adjust!

Peace guys!


sorry but at moment here  we not have diablo and we not have counterstrike becous ability in new system is not rewarded at all    is random, win or lose  making 0 :50   or 50 :0
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vicious666 on January 07, 2011, 02:08:27 pm
Yes... Vicious allthough we agree on the changes, your definition of a good player seems extremely strange. Grind doesn't mean anything. It's just fun and motivation for me. Nothing to do with any form of skill.


crpg was a mix of skill , time rewards and development of char+ equip

i made already example of merlin a bad playe was a bad player even in plate.          i remember killing him naked with a shield vs him in plate



crpg was nice becouse was a mix of all., we removed that mix, to make it pretty much same as native.
if i wanna play a purely  skill based , i play native.                   period.    withouth even needing to do lev 30.   
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: JOPOTINTTI on January 07, 2011, 02:10:40 pm
It would be better if anything would be same as native.   2h weps on horse... no armor weight penalty.... in Warband there is no such thing as OP class nor weapon, its all about player skill (only if same, or closely same level). 8-) .. or spam skill  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: krampe on January 07, 2011, 02:15:16 pm
you now right that merc vicious IV was merely a lev  what 24,   full agi full wpf only for retirement purposes right? like the 3 the 2 the 1

Calm down, it was not about your performance at all, only about Merlin, just posted you so you will more probably remember it.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Kiriath on January 07, 2011, 02:16:13 pm
chadz, its your mod, your time, and your commitment.

you decide what you want, fuck the rest.


btw I love what you done with it the last two patches.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Astinus on January 07, 2011, 02:26:05 pm
in b4 I read only the great OP


I hate you, as always, forever and ever
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Michael on January 07, 2011, 02:27:12 pm
Michael: I got nerfed pretty heavily aswell. I went from 29 agi, 220 wpf and a 106 speed weapon to 25 agi, 170 wpf and a 101 speed weapon. The class I love was slapped aswell, but I don't care.

No, you dont (want to) understand what I am trying to say. Look, the xp level cap was def necessary because players like you =P) crushed the game. With my crappy internet, I could see you feint, next I heard my guy screaming. Didnt even see the animation of your swing, totally broken, my only chance was to one shot you by luck.

But, you can use still your fav gear all the time.

I can, for now, and my gold will last for a while, but its just not right. I have to pay an insane amount of gold to "repair" my horse that had his full health at end of the round, I have to pay an insane amount of gold to "repair" a throwing lance I didnt even throw.
 
Has nothing to do with whining. Its just not right. With the original patch, on a bad day, I could lose 100.000 gold easily, with the hotfix, I will outrun of money sloooooooooooooooooooooowly. But its not right, and its not fun.

Look, noone would go into a battle when he has after the battle less gold than before it started. Knights fought for land, slaves, Mercenaries for gold. I have to pay so that I may fight? Wut?





On Merlin, he was both. First he was a tincan-thrower, at the end he was an archer, now he is retired. Did you guys hear of retirement and stuff?





It would be better if anything would be same as native.   2h weps on horse... no armor weight penalty.... in Warband there is no such thing as OP class nor weapon, its all about player skill (only if same, or closely same level). 8-) .. or spam skill  :mrgreen:



No, native is plain, simple, pure arcade and fun (if at all) only for those with good ping and computer. The worst crpg will always be better than native.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Phazey on January 07, 2011, 02:29:53 pm
Hey, this is maybe a crazy idea but: how about if you donate, you also get to choose what percentage goes to server hosting costs and what percenage of the donation goes to chadz himself?

Set it default to 100% hosting and 0% chadz and let people choose? Just an idea...

Aside from that, i'd like to help you pay your heating bill, because gaming at 15° is impossible. I get cold hands at 20°.  :rolleyes:
I've sent you an email.

Edit: haha okay okay. But seriously, i still think you should at least get a little something for all that hard work and time you and the other devs have put in. Have a drink on my behalf then! :)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: chadz on January 07, 2011, 02:33:52 pm
dont take that part too seriously, I'm fine :P
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Astinus on January 07, 2011, 02:39:06 pm
chadz if you need shelter in the long and cold winter nights, I have relatives in osterreich, maybe I can ask them to accomodate you  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Chipmunk on January 07, 2011, 02:40:44 pm
Great, just pure awesome! Can't say anything else.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: bruce on January 07, 2011, 02:42:07 pm
Finished, your favourite "class" is a hillariously broken elephant trampler and one of the best examples why upkeep needs to be as it is. Sure, it is fun to trample infantry, and hey, if you screw up, no problem, try again, if you impale yourself on a spear ten times it maybe even dies. One of the reasons why people like upkeep is precisely to avoid everyone eventually turning into a lol elephant rider and playing the game of retarded bumper cars trampling the odd peasant.

Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Pecores_Marzi_le_fourbe on January 07, 2011, 03:14:27 pm
chadz, thanks for all. It's pretty rare to see this kind of devotion (times killer? :)), You deserve to make money with this. It look like the begining of counter strike..
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: krampe on January 07, 2011, 03:23:53 pm
Yay, i gave chadz the 100th Karma point :D
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Burr1ck on January 07, 2011, 03:27:45 pm
chadz, thanks for all. It's pretty rare to see this kind of devotion (times killer? :)), You deserve to make money with this. It look like the begining of counter strike..
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Could well be as there's an autobalanceless/ non-autobalance option meaning people can organize clans into teams. cRPG could have it's own 5 vs 5, 8 vs 8 or 10 vs 10 ladder where clans fight each other to get to first place. This opens a whole new competitive world into cRPG similar to that of Counter Strike or any top competitive team-based games. Imagine, livestream channels put up to show live matches or even Strategus battles taking place with commentary in the background: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWkyQpr7Sqk  :shock: .
Anyway, that's just a wild idea of mine, which I would like to see come true  :P. 
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: dynamike on January 07, 2011, 04:09:01 pm
All I have to say is: Thank you :!:

chadz, you put a lot of dedication into this mod and I believe everyone can see that the outcome is great! Stay true to your ideas and vision of where you want to go with crpg, so far you have not disappointed me.

The recent changes were great and greatly needed to help people having fun again. I love to be able to actually test my SKILL against others and not only my GEAR  :wink: And, with the last ninja-patch modifier to reward winning a bit more, there should be enough incentive for players to want to win.

I hope you eventually reap the rewards of what you sow, not only by people thanking you for the mod, but also financially!

Thank you again!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Phazey on January 07, 2011, 04:16:38 pm
You deserve to make money with this. It looks like the begining of counter strike..

I've said the same thing many times. cRPG feels a lot like counter strike in the early days: by far the best game out there being a tiny mod, beating big game companies by simply having a game that's more fun than all the rest.

The potential of cRPG is huge. It's a largly undiscovered gem among many, many crappy games. I think cRPG is the reason why more and more people are playing warband.

I wouldn't be surprised if warband will soon break the 5k barrier on peak time players. And many warband users don't even use steam so the actual playercount may be much larger indeed. I've been checking steam stats on warband a lot lately and the amount of players playing it is growing steadily.

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
Warband already beat lesser games like Killing Floor (horrible), Day of Defeat (actually a pretty good mod, if dated) and Left for Dead one (mostly redundant because of L4D2). I wouldn't be surprised at all if warband's popularity will keep growing and so will the playerbase... mostly because of cRPG. Soon warband might even beat Battlefield Bad Company 2... and we all know how big the battlefield franchise is... how much money went into that game.

I think we can safely say that cRPG is the next Counter Strike.  8-)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Vexus on January 07, 2011, 04:21:31 pm
Patch is not bad chadz and you should never turn a mod in something you don't like.

Let the ones that can't live without plate and chargers change their mind or go these are the things which should have been changed with the patch anyway.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ishar on January 07, 2011, 04:24:59 pm
The potential of cRPG is huge. It's a largly undiscovered gem among many, many crappy games. I think cRPG is the reason why more and more people are playing warband.
I've played M&B for years. When Warband came out, I played with the trial version a bit, didn't like the new animations, didn't feel like there were grand new things in singleplayer, never was a big fan of playing multiplayer with random people.
When I heard about cRPG, I just went ahead and bought the game.

chadz definitely should've gotten a percentage of that.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Timotheusthereal on January 07, 2011, 04:32:00 pm
Well spoken
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Murthag on January 07, 2011, 04:46:15 pm
So let's have fun and Long life to cRPG!
I like this way of mind
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Brutal on January 07, 2011, 05:03:34 pm
chadz, thanks for all. It's pretty rare to see this kind of devotion (times killer? :)), You deserve to make money with this. strike..

I dont know if anyone ever heard of magna mundi mod for Europa Universalis 3 ?
Well it became so popular that Paradox is now founding "magna mundi the game" that will come out in july/august.

I wish the same would happen to this incredible mod, it really deserve it.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ginosaji on January 07, 2011, 05:40:18 pm
I wish the same would happen to this incredible mod, it really deserve it.

So that some other people can decide what they want from this mod/game, because they paid for it (or even worse: because some publisher pays chadz for coding it)?
No.. This should remain a mod as long as chadz can bear the low temperature in his appartment :D
(I once made a mod that has been bought by a publisher, I know what I'm speaking of.. The At fifteen, I had the will to  learn ; at thirty, I could stand ; at forty, I had no  doubts ; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding ;  at sixty, my ears were opened ; at seventy, I could  do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the  square. in the moment you sign the contract.)

It would be a much better idea to donate a few coins to chadz and his great work. I wanted to create a paypal account anyways..
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: RandomDude on January 07, 2011, 05:44:29 pm
i've always liked skill based games

some of the longest running games have shit gfx cos they were made in 1990's but still have a following because the playability is still there, combined with team-work and "arcade style play" where you can just jump in and arent penalised for not playing every day

i DO play crpg every day but like someone said to Gutts; "All you want to do is swing your sword."

All I wanna do is swing my sword and i fucking love it
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Radament on January 07, 2011, 05:47:59 pm
chadz , it's time to implement fireballz so you could warm yourself a bit :P
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Yaron on January 07, 2011, 05:49:51 pm
LOLWUT! chadz is getting sentimental =( ...

btw, what about muskets? :(
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: okiN on January 07, 2011, 05:59:43 pm
There is no reason whatsoever for me to try and gather the largest playerbase possible. If it is a byproduct of me having fun while playing, that's great. But if I actually have to decide between maintaining a large playerbase or creating a fun game, well - I am sorry, I want to do something that I have fun doing.

The exact thing I've always been telling you when you worried about player reactions! It's good to hear you say it. I hope this mod still has many good milestones to pass. :)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Belatu on January 07, 2011, 06:05:17 pm
I always thought that chadz is happy when others are whinning  :shock:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Camaris on January 07, 2011, 06:16:01 pm
I do like your mod very much chadz.
I like version 201 totally. I could have lived with 200 too because it was better then before.

If you ever get CTF working on crpg i would build you s Snowman next winter.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: DrKronic on January 07, 2011, 06:31:50 pm
Man that was the realest shit I've heard from a developer ever

U know even tho I have been playing computer games since commodore 64 and was part of Alpha/betas for UO Eq DaOc AC ao darksun online jumpgate neocron Wow darkfall mortal. I mean u name it I was a tester but this mod is the shit

Change it it saddened me to hear u don't play do whatever it takes to thwart metagaming

Honestly I kicked more ass pre patch but the fun was overcome by a need to grind to equal footing with the level 40s

I am having more fun playing to play than I was playing to be number 1 after five rounds




Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Puerco on January 07, 2011, 06:47:45 pm
In someway i can understand how IT' feels, guess it's like been a gynecologist...btw 8 you donkeys.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Subb on January 07, 2011, 07:06:25 pm
chadz, wise words, my good man. I was playing for maybe a month before 2.00 and was beginning to feel that the constant grind was losing it's appeal, now my fun and desire to play c-rpg has been renewed. Great work. I really do think that Taleworlds need to hire you for the next M&B.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Surol on January 07, 2011, 07:17:06 pm
well after playing a full night on 2.01 i have to say it works and appoligize for having no faith in your system.

in 2.00 i couldnt even keep a wep repaired but now in 2.01 i can save up and play a few rounds in plate before going back to low end armor even.

i would even be ok with another +% tacked onto upkeep.

cant belive i said that...
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: The_Newer_Wind on January 07, 2011, 07:21:07 pm
I cant say this enough, but this mod is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :!: :!: :!: :!:   
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: StanleyPain on January 07, 2011, 07:29:38 pm
It's gamers like you and the others that think this way that has made the quality of games shittier and shittier with each passing year and basically turned what was once an amazing subculture market into a generic assembly production line of rehashed shit in a fancy box.

Gonna have to quote Gorath again, as much as I dislike it ;)



As far as whatever the fuck Viscious is going on about all it surmounts to is, Q_Q I put time into my character Q_Q I should be able to pwn noobs because i put Q_Q time Q_Q into my character. What do you mean I can't face roll the keyboard an pwn noobs Q_Q
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Etupetu on January 07, 2011, 08:06:31 pm
This new patch is great. At least I have liked it so far  :)

I just feel sorry that I'll be joining in the army at monday. so I cannot play it as often as I wanted. But will see if the mod is still up when I get back so I can enjoy it as well...
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Brutal on January 07, 2011, 08:16:00 pm
So that some other people can decide what they want from this mod/game, because they paid for it (or even worse: because some publisher pays chadz for coding it)?

Well in this case it's still the same team doing what they love, but they just can work on it full time.
http://www.magnamundi.com/media/meetthedevteam/ (http://www.magnamundi.com/media/meetthedevteam/)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Kafein on January 07, 2011, 11:08:40 pm
As many found out now, the main problem is the differences in what we though cRPG was supposed to be.

A minority including chadz want it to be Native with improved customisation and additional equipment.
A majority consider it as a highly skill-based PVP MMORPG.


Where having a problem here. The mod developpers can't stand long trying to satisfy both populations, and there will be a drop in the playerbase when people from the second population will start to get boring because nothing changes in their gameplay anymore (hitting level 30 and max upkeep value).
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: DrKronic on January 07, 2011, 11:36:28 pm
Your quoting yourself u reject

Im with chadz not this "majority" you speak of

Make ur own mod if u want warcraft mount and blade my brother made bandit king for original m and b

Or cry
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Kafein on January 08, 2011, 01:25:08 am
Your quoting yourself u reject

Im with chadz not this "majority" you speak of

Make ur own mod if u want warcraft mount and blade my brother made bandit king for original m and b

Or cry

The point of not considering people that actually liked the part of grind that cRPG had as a majority seems thin when you see this, for example :

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,314.0.html

Or one of the dozens of GTX/suggestion threads.

I'm quoting myself because this is what I said in another thread. Simply copying it without quoting would be retarded. If someone (possibly me) has some time to make a mod that would be as much enjoyable as cRPG prepatch regarding the level and equipment capping, I sign in. Not that it is easy or short.

Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on January 08, 2011, 01:39:56 am
chadz I echo the very first replier's sentiments.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on January 08, 2011, 03:48:36 am
Just played for 5-6 hours... Have very mixed feelings.

Many players concider the pre-patched version of cRPG as some sort of a "Grind Era". It seems cRPG have entered a "Spam Era" now.
I am not a good "skilled" player, I use a 1h + Shield, but the last 2 hours on a siege server the only weapon i used was a Great Maul.

Why? Both defenders and attacker were a giant spam mob.

Life became cheap in post-patch cRPG. A vicious, raging pre-patched peasant is wearing a decent armor and wielding a huge axe or sword, but there is the same guy inside the armor. Peasant tactics is simple and effective: be in a mob - swing your weapon with all your horse-knight-hating might!
Its funny and sad. I used to cherish my kills. To every kill, to every battle, there used to be its own story. I laughed, I cursed, I planned... I could recognise many players by their looks. Now there is only a faceless spamming mob: Stay in tight group - spam and gank.

Its fun! M&B is a great game! I have played many great games and have many great memories! I feel still addicted to cRPG, and its great game-play, but my greatest cRPG moments will stay with the old version. It is somehow not "spicy" enough now...






Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Ginosaji on January 08, 2011, 10:04:17 am
Well in this case it's still the same team doing what they love, but they just can work on it full time.
http://www.magnamundi.com/media/meetthedevteam/ (http://www.magnamundi.com/media/meetthedevteam/)

I know that such things happen, but in this case it wouldn't be so easy.
cRPG isn't new anymore. chadz and his team has been working on this for a long time, much more time a publisher would give a dev-team. Of course, as soon as money is involved the team could work 40h/week on the project. But several features needed a lot of public testing, and you can't do public tests after the mod becomes a full fledged game (at least not in this dimensions).
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Kamosabe on January 08, 2011, 10:47:04 am
It's good that chadz does have fun (again) playing his own mod. I mean what sense would be in developing a mod for free, if you're not enjoying it yourself?
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Moscher on January 09, 2011, 02:23:01 am
What i see today:

Naked farmer, and a big Peasant to light army

So many Gold farmer are now in this mod. Naked or with minimal equipment.

A well balanced Army is now a gold farming peasant army:-)

Its funny:-)

Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: AirPhforce on January 09, 2011, 02:53:54 am
What i see today:

Naked farmer, and a big Peasant to light army

So many Gold farmer are now in this mod. Naked or with minimal equipment.

A well balanced Army is now a gold farming peasant army:-)

Its funny:-)

I just came from the US server, only 2 naked guys on my team. Everyone else was in legit gear. I hardly see any more naked dudes then I saw before.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Banok on January 09, 2011, 04:53:03 am
I think cRPG could be a successful indepedent game. I'd buy it. I think alot of people buy warband just for cRPG (a know a couple of people who have), which I think is a bit unfair that taleworlds take money for chadz and team's work.

idk how possible it would be, but if it was its own game wouldn't that mean they could edit the engine and things hardcoded themselves instead of waiting for taleworlds to do it? if so it means much more imba shit could be added and many things fixed.

theres that other warband mod that is being sold as a separate game and it looks TERRIBLE:
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Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Gorath on January 09, 2011, 04:59:50 am
I just came from the US server, only 2 naked guys on my team. Everyone else was in legit gear. I hardly see any more naked dudes then I saw before.

Same.  I see most players in mail/hauberks/byrnies, cuir boullei (sp?) or equivalent, or khergit elite armor with a few platers.  The only nakeds I see are few and far between and killed right away.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Maira on January 09, 2011, 05:04:24 am
I have to say, at first I really hated the patch, but then... What? Horse Archery became fun again?! Omg?! What?! Oh Noes!!!

+ Over 9000 for chadz and the patch!!!

-For Love and Lolz, Loz.  :P
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Draedan on January 09, 2011, 06:01:44 am
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Erasmas on January 09, 2011, 01:20:00 pm
I think cRPG could be a successful indepedent game. I'd buy it. I think alot of people buy warband just for cRPG (a know a couple of people who have), which I think is a bit unfair that taleworlds take money for chadz and team's work.

idk how possible it would be, but if it was its own game wouldn't that mean they could edit the engine and things hardcoded themselves instead of waiting for taleworlds to do it? if so it means much more imba shit could be added and many things fixed.

theres that other warband mod that is being sold as a separate game and it looks TERRIBLE:
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Do you refer to the type of armour or graphics in general? If the latter - I agree. If the armour is an issue, it is actually a hitorical stuff. The formation was called "husaria" and was present on Polish battlefields from XVI to XVIII century.  The mod is Fire and Sword i guess...?

Have a look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Hussars
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: okiN on January 09, 2011, 01:31:25 pm
I thought With Fire and Sword was a M&B spinoff, not Warband. That's why the visuals are so subpar.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Grey on January 10, 2011, 03:18:18 pm
chadz could charge for the game, but then he would owe us a duty of care, and since his MAIN aim is to have fun, I dont reckon he is gonna do that. The game with the Winged Hussars looks, shit, I guess it was never gonna be great, winged hussars got ABSOLUTELY RAPED in any balanced actionas they took part in, ultimately syphoning so much cash for "training" and "supplies" that they ruined their military, then goverment......
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Warcat on January 10, 2011, 05:36:52 pm
The point of not considering people that actually liked the part of grind that cRPG had as a majority seems thin when you see this, for example :

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,314.0.html


He does realize that not even half of the people who voted in the poll voted no, right?
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Dexxtaa on January 10, 2011, 05:58:05 pm
To all the others (or new players) that still think the game is fun, let's start a new chapter and have a fun trip to see where the project cRPG ends - because I have no fucking idea.

Yes
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Homer on February 11, 2011, 10:05:09 pm
It wasn't a game any more, it was a grinding marathon. I know some liked that, but I didn't. I am not trying to create a free2play version of WoW here, and if some got that impression, I am sorry to have wasted your time.

well the level calculation thingy says 148h for level 31 on x1.
so if you always have a x1 multi you just need 6.1 days.
leaves 0.9 for sleep and food  :mrgreen:

You was right. But you keep wasting my time.

Please tell me why do we need grinding? Why not just start with level 31? Seriously!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: DrKronic on February 11, 2011, 11:18:03 pm
At night I pray to chadz an u know what same 50/50 chance of me getting what I want

I love this mod and chadz and all of u *brofist*
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: mammoni on February 12, 2011, 10:13:26 am
You was right. But you keep wasting my time.

Please tell me why do we need grinding? Why not just start with level 31? Seriously!

You are assuming level 31 is the goal of the game. It is not. The goal is to have fun, and to have your own character to develop. Getting to level 31 and retiring is the donkey's carrot for the grinders who need a sense of achievement.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: FICO on February 12, 2011, 11:48:32 am
oh you got troll point for that  :wink:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Homer on February 12, 2011, 12:02:14 pm
You are assuming level 31 is the goal of the game. It is not. The goal is to have fun, and to have your own character to develop.
You can develop your character even if you start with level 31. Or if you get ten times more EXP (not gold). You just need to distribute your AP and SP wisely. And then you can play for fun.

Getting to level 31 and retiring is the donkey's carrot for the grinders who need a sense of achievement.

"to wait" is something different from "to achieve". And please read one more time.

I know some liked that, but I didn't. I am not trying to create a free2play version of WoW here, and if some got that impression, I am sorry to have wasted your time.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Juhanius on February 14, 2011, 03:22:49 am
It´s all gooood 8-)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Homer on February 20, 2011, 02:12:39 pm
chadz can't understand that M&B is an action game. There is grinding in action games, but here it's not a way to success. We can get new items and abilities, but they are just different, not more powerful. In cRPG, higher leveled players have a real advantage (esp. high gen players) and it's unfair, it breaks the game.

And I can't understand silence of chadz. If I'm wrong, please put me in my place.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Punisher on February 20, 2011, 02:18:54 pm
chadz can't understand that M&B is an action game. There is grinding in action games, but here it's not a way to success. We can get new items and abilities, but they are just different, not more powerful. In cRPG, higher leveled players have a real advantage (esp. high gen players) and it's unfair, it breaks the game.

And I can't understand silence of chadz. If I'm wrong, please put me in my place.

Sounds like you missed the last patches bro.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Joker86 on February 20, 2011, 02:40:09 pm
chadz can't understand that M&B is an action game. There is grinding in action games, but here it's not a way to success.

Huh? What? Grinding in action games? Grinding and action? Are you sure?  :shock:  :wink:


We can get new items and abilities, but they are just different, not more powerful. In cRPG, higher leveled players have a real advantage (esp. high gen players) and it's unfair, it breaks the game.

And I can't understand silence of chadz. If I'm wrong, please put me in my place.

I don't get your post. In the upper quote you complain about grinding being no way to success, in the lower quote you complain about higher leveled players having unfair advantages?

What exactly do you want?
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Homer on February 20, 2011, 03:56:28 pm
Sounds like you missed the last patches bro.
The last time I played cRPG was about a week ago. I had three different characters (lvl. 26-29). I don't wanna waste my time anymore.

Huh? What? Grinding in action games? Grinding and action? Are you sure?  :shock:  :wink:
In a way, yes. Why do you think there are idlers in TF2?

Huh? What? Grinding in action games? Grinding and action? Are you sure?  :shock:  :wink:

I don't get your post. In the upper quote you complain about grinding being no way to success, in the lower quote you complain about higher leveled players having unfair advantages?

What exactly do you want?
I think in action games old players shouldn't have any real advantages (besides their skill) over new players. But they might be able to get some interesting but useless features instead (like hats in TF2). Also they might be able to get different but not more powerful features (like in BFBC 2). It doesn't mean that we should radically change the game. Just remove generations and let new players to reach a level cap in a couple of days.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: FICO on February 20, 2011, 04:16:17 pm
Just remove generations and let new players to reach a level cap in a couple of days.
why not starting straight at highest lvl - not to waste those couple days in vain
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Spurdospera on February 20, 2011, 04:35:23 pm
You was right. But you keep wasting my time.

Please tell me why do we need grinding? Why not just start with level 31? Seriously!
Go back to native.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Homer on February 20, 2011, 04:38:44 pm
Don't be sarcastic! If you have something besides your intuitive views, tell me why I'm wrong.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: zagibu on February 20, 2011, 06:52:10 pm
Even the title of the mod says you're wrong: cRPG. And don't start a rant about how RPG means a totally different thing and has nothing to do with levels, attributes and skills, I have played my sessions of P&P RPG, thank you. It is NOT a pure action game like TF2. It is INTENDED that new players are weak and underpowered. If you don't like that, maybe you should look for something else.

Besides, even in so called pure action games like Call of Duty, new players are at a disadvantage.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Konrax on February 20, 2011, 07:37:20 pm
I used my skill to kill an enemy on the first round on my retired character at level 1.

Snowflake to the head.

Now before you rant on about how no new first time player could afford a snowflake just remember, I still hit him in the head ;)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Homer on February 20, 2011, 08:16:47 pm
Even the title of the mod says you're wrong: cRPG. And don't start a rant about how RPG means a totally different thing and has nothing to do with levels, attributes and skills, I have played my sessions of P&P RPG, thank you. It is NOT a pure action game like TF2.

cRPG generally is an action. Most of the time we are running, hitting, blocking etc. Better aim, faster reactions, good footwork are the way to success. It's much more similar to CS than to WoW. And name doesn't matter.

I used my skill to kill an enemy on the first round on my retired character at level 1.

Snowflake to the head.
This proves that cRPG is an action game. But cRPG is totally unfair. It's the reason why you are proud of your heroic deed.

It is INTENDED that new players are weak and underpowered. If you don't like that, maybe you should look for something else.
I think it SHOULD NOT BE INTENDED. And, of course, I'm not playing cRPG now. I'm just muddying the waters.

Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: EliteDragon on February 21, 2011, 08:56:52 am
I think chadz and the rest of the developing team is doing great imho. With the limited number of members with the knowledge to do something like this, they are able to maintain this mod quite well. I say keep up the amazing work guys; I feel with each patch, they are closer and closer to what a true RPG is. Variety and balance.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Oberyn on February 21, 2011, 09:01:27 am
Go play native, stop trolling the forums. Want a completely fair, medieval CS, extremely boring experience, you already have one. Why are you here whining about cRPG if you don't even play the game?
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Patricia on February 21, 2011, 09:21:38 am
I think chadz and the rest of the developing team is doing great imho. With the limited number of members with the knowledge to do something like this, they are able to maintain this mod quite well. I say keep up the amazing work guys; I feel with each patch, they are closer and closer to what a true RPG is. Variety and balance.

I find that the balance team is doing somewhat of a poor job, they're trying to balance the game when they barely play it themselves, so they just base themselves on useless numbers (I'm looking at you fasaderp).

Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Homer on February 21, 2011, 11:26:17 am
Why are you here whining about cRPG if you don't even play the game?
Why not? Please remember:

Before the patch, people have been asking me what nick I'm playing with. They knew I was one of them, but who? Well, the answer is simple - They knew wrong, I wasn't playing.

... (whining)
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Oberyn on February 21, 2011, 12:10:55 pm
Oh right, because the maker of the mod and some random disgruntled troll are totally equivalent. Actually you're not even disgruntled since you don't play the mod and never have according to you. You're apparently just a douche.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Homer on February 21, 2011, 12:58:36 pm
Oberyn, my big trollish dick already is in your ass. So shut up and try to get pleasure.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Nemeth on February 21, 2011, 01:45:34 pm
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Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
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Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Homer on February 21, 2011, 04:26:53 pm
I was trying to explain that mixing system based on personal skill with level advancements is a bad idea. RPG is my favourite genre. My most favourite game is M&M 7. But I was trying to explain that cPRG, first of all, is an action game. You can do everything you want, but cRPG will be an action at first. In cRPG, elements of RPG result in two effects: they allow customization and make players unequal. I suggest to remove the latter, not the former. It doesn't mean that game becomes alike native.

And I'm not a troll.

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In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

I have no evil intent. But it's easy to say that I'm just a troll. It's harder to think to the point.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: ManOfWar on February 21, 2011, 05:01:00 pm
Whats going on?
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: chadz on February 21, 2011, 05:23:07 pm
I was trying to explain that mixing system based on personal skill with level advancements is a bad idea. RPG is my favourite genre. My most favourite game is M&M 7. But I was trying to explain that cPRG, first of all, is an action game. You can do everything you want, but cRPG will be an action at first. In cRPG, elements of RPG result in two effects: they allow customization and make players unequal. I suggest to remove the latter, not the former. It doesn't mean that game becomes alike native.

Why not just take it for what it is, rather than artificially trying to squeeze it into a predefined box in your head.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Dexxtaa on February 21, 2011, 05:25:41 pm
Why not just take it for what it is, rather than artificially trying to squeeze it into a predefined box in your head.

IN YO HEAD
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Gorath on February 21, 2011, 08:07:19 pm
IN YO HEAD

IN DA FACE
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: DrKronic on February 22, 2011, 08:09:45 pm
Why not just take it for what it is, rather than artificially trying to squeeze it into a predefined box in your head.

Omg a rpg that requires "twitch" skills

Btw its been done years before in jumpgate and neocron(and others)

Even pure twitch games(battlefield/CoD) now have leveling systems where yes a level one is disadvantaged to say a "prestige" rank 50

And homer is a flametroll of the best sort betta grab mai popcorn
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: The_Newer_Wind on February 23, 2011, 07:51:05 am
I like this, but im afraid of buying expensive stuff now, very afraid.....
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Madcat on February 23, 2011, 01:03:11 pm
I like this, but im afraid of buying expensive stuff now, very afraid.....

But it's so cheap.
I think you mean you are afraid to wear all your expensive stuff at the same time
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Mizzles on May 03, 2011, 12:48:58 am
I think everyone needs to see this.

P.S Everybody who is whining should get over themselves. Look on page one.

Also This:
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Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Varric on May 03, 2011, 12:58:05 am
Does this thread really need to be bumped after every patch?
Really you guys?
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Mizzles on May 03, 2011, 01:00:54 am
Ya, because people never seem to get it. This also makes me a necromancer. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: MountedRhader on May 03, 2011, 05:04:27 am
I completely agree. I play to have fun.. No matter how shitty my build may be.
I run around in a red tunic, black hood, stylish rus cavalry boots, wielding a dagger, and I have a hell of a time (even after 800 hours) :D
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: joshko on May 03, 2011, 06:30:00 am
chadz I've been following you since day one of the public release and I'm not about to stop. You've got me and the TS clan's support the whole way though. Keep it up!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Dom.Miguel on May 03, 2011, 06:30:49 am
Kill The Necromancer!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: GuiKa on May 03, 2011, 07:32:49 am
  The main difference beetween chadz and god is that god didnt make C-rpg.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Zahmbomb on May 03, 2011, 08:22:50 am
Did chadz spawn from God?
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: yakri on May 03, 2011, 09:41:47 am
Did chadz spawn from God?

No.

God spawned from chadz.

Duh.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: v/onMega on May 03, 2011, 10:34:05 am
Funny this thread got bumped again... xD

Btw...dont you guys see the coincidence while talking about chadz spawning god etc.???

Think about it, the Holy Bible told us, Jesus was born, Maria wasnt even pregnant!
The holy bible also told us, Jesus died, but lived again....AND NAOOW the coincidence....

In Crpg, you die and life again, no pregnancy needed before and after.

Naturally some questions arise for anybody having common sense...:

Does god look like a donkey with bad teeth?
If so, is chadz just a lazy but innocent game developer hired as an instrument by catholic methodists?
Are we all fighting jesus(es)?
Is crpg the last weapon of the vatican to spread bible knowledge?

You guys really need to play this game more carefully....and especially read chadz posts more carefully...


Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Siiem on May 03, 2011, 10:38:24 am
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-_-

Belive it or not, I literally got dumber from reading that.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: v/onMega on May 03, 2011, 10:56:59 am
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-_-

Belive it or not, I literally got dumber from reading that.

Christianic mission succeded!

Totally bored @ work with my mobile phone in hands....!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: krampe on May 03, 2011, 11:16:16 am
Mobile Phone... rrrright
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: FICO on May 03, 2011, 02:33:42 pm
well, i didn't gave mine any names, but i've heard that some people named theirs. but this is the oddest of all names
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Gondemar on May 03, 2011, 03:45:07 pm
Personnaly, I had hundreds of hour of fun on this game, and still wan't more. I didn't get a chance to see Strategus, so I hope I soon (tm) will be able to try that.
But each patch was, in my opinion, an improvement, correcting precisly the things that were bothering me. And also prevented some friends of mine to want to try this mod.
For that, I'm gratefull.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Uther Pendragon on March 01, 2013, 03:43:02 am
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There is a deeper meaning of this revival...
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Armycook_of_KSantiago on March 01, 2013, 04:36:35 am
Only thing i will say is DIS MOD WORTH MOAR THAN ANY OTHER GAME I HAVE PAID FOR!!!!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Apsod on March 01, 2013, 04:49:32 am
Cute
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Smoothrich on March 01, 2013, 04:53:34 am
and all the major changes managed to accomplish was even more grind and less versatility/uniqueness in characters gear and builds and overall more bland gameplay, lol good job at having a vision and failing to reach it due to ignoring the community and having bad designers (Urist) work on the mod,

RIP
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Carthan on March 01, 2013, 06:12:35 am
If you think that why would you have wanted to be an admin?
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: rufio on March 01, 2013, 06:19:21 am
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Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 01, 2013, 06:35:16 am
and all the major changes managed to accomplish was even more grind and less versatility/uniqueness in characters gear and builds and overall more bland gameplay, lol good job at having a vision and failing to reach it due to ignoring the community and having bad designers (Urist) work on the mod,

RIP


Urist is responsible for Item balance, what makes him different from Shik, Fasader, or Varric who do the same?


The devs do listen to the community, they just tend to ignore most input as most input is rubbish, not sure how you can say they ignore the community. Just because the community finds a problem does not mean the development team will magically determine or find a fix that will work, and sometimes has to let it stew until a satisfactory solution is found, or has to try various fixes before 'getting it right.'


Not sure how you can also say that the current system is somehow more grind oriented then the original system that took forever for someone to even hit level 5. Hell, just look at how fast people can gain new items now.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on March 01, 2013, 09:21:37 am
This mod is fucking fun, I have put more hours into it then any other game I've ever played, shit, you could probably add my top 3 games total playtime and wouldn't even compare to time invested in this. We've had our ups and downs, but you've had me hooked since I first installed. I love you chadz.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Dooz on March 01, 2013, 09:47:10 am
Oo, nice. Good post.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Bjord on March 01, 2013, 09:54:27 am
What changed? It's still grindy. :lol:
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: oohillac on March 01, 2013, 10:04:45 am
This mod is fucking fun, I have put more hours into it then any other game I've ever played, shit, you could probably add my top 3 games total playtime and wouldn't even compare to time invested in this. We've had our ups and downs, but you've had me hooked since I first installed. I love you chadz.
Agreed, keep up the good work donkey team!
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Malaclypse on March 01, 2013, 11:04:15 am
I still wear/use what I like even though it may not be the best choice for damage/length/survivability. Death to all nerds.
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 01, 2013, 11:05:01 am
I still wear/use what I like even though it may not be the best choice for damage/length/survivability. Death to all nerds.


Always be fashionable <3
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Osiris on March 01, 2013, 01:24:17 pm
you don't need to grind ;D you can do well on siege at lvl 20 with no looms and there is always Skip the fun. There is Loom grind or high lvl grind if you want it or you can just hit lvl 30 and just play :P
Title: Re: chadz and cRPG - a lovestory!
Post by: Gurnisson on March 01, 2013, 02:11:10 pm
I still wear/use what I like even though it may not be the best choice for damage/length/survivability. Death to all nerds.

Same, and when I play strat with a +3 long spear and +3 heavy armor and gloves I quickly realize that fact. Would definitely go heavier armor and better weapons if I wanted to be as effective as possible. :P