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Title: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Felix on April 23, 2013, 01:47:18 am
Thoughts about RP in cRPG. Sharing Russian Warband community experience.

Hey everyone. I was staying late tonight, when i suddendly stumbled on some old pals from ol' good times when cRPG was still a small rpg mode with html website and black armor ever ugly Gnjus running around and killing people ... but that's not the point. It has nothing to do with cRPG - what i am suggesting is to conduct an live voice RP event.

As a matter of fact the Russian Warband community back in 2010 had already succeeded in running several RP events with a small group of players (~15-20). As time was passing we developed a loyal player base and were able to enjoy ourselves for two months. Two months of scrutinizing, hard work and efforts to adjust somewhat limited Warband engine to our RP needs. Unfortunately the progression stopped and no additional attempts were made.

So how did we do that? First, we put up a theme recruiting players willing to roleplay and strictly abide by rules. Then we start distributing roles and giving out the plot. After that we made sure the TS server is up. After all preparations were done, we actually roleplayed for 2-3 hours. All narration and dialogues were actually live read - everyone sticked to their role (peasant, lord, for example - i was a blacksmith) and did what their characters would have done in real life situation. It was a huge fan. The feeling of contribution and taking part in such a nice and creative thing was quite rewarding.

Not to mention that the outcome of the game was literally unpredictable - we once had four sides fighting for their own cause: bandits who tried to kidnap a lady, guards and man at arms trying to deliver her to castle safely, a town that didn't want to get between them, but were forced to take part anyway, because the shortest road to the castle went through the city and finally couple of assassins, who had a task of killing the lady (which made them enemies of both guards and bandits, as they wanted her alive). And do you know what happened?

After some struggling guards got access to the town, but were immediately attacked by bandits. Couple of citizens were in league with brigands, so guards decided to sack the whole city. Assassins ended up killing all witnesses but couldn't accomplish their task. And in midst of all the fighting guard crossbowman accidently killed the lady. The end. City is burned, citizens are killed, bandits flee, guards fail, assassins are happy. And everything was live. Isn't that awesome? Now imagine that with cRPG players running wild, shouting, insulting each other, betraying, plotting, hiding, surviving, killing and fighting.

During the course of organizing we faced lot of problems. The main one was how to make it organized and disciplined. The next was concerning TS and speaking matters - we had to divide locations into rooms in TS (it was 2010 year TS) and admin had to manually switch players when they move somewhere else. Later we kinda made a progress implementing Mumble with it's positional audio, so one couldn't actually hear you whisper in the bushes while drinking his beer in tavern. The volume also changed as the character moved away from/to the source of sound.

So why should we do this? Because it's very fun. Trust it me it is. I am sure lot of players are quite tired of endless battle hacking with no real purpose besides accumulating looms and gold, so i suggest we do this. AFAIK TS now supports positional audio so it wouldn't a problem. cRPG has a huge diversity of armor and weapons, so that won't be a problem as well. What we need is support from admins and big clans, that can provide both server and disciplined players. As for my part, i am ready to share with cRPG community my quite unique experience in organizing live RP Warband events.
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP in cRPG
Post by: Panos on April 23, 2013, 01:49:20 am
Can I be the beggar please??
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP in cRPG
Post by: Havoco on April 23, 2013, 01:54:02 am
Can I be the beggar please??
You aren't now?
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP in cRPG
Post by: no_rules_just_play on April 23, 2013, 02:03:09 am
i like the idea, but it indeed seems a massive bunch of work
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP in cRPG
Post by: Felix on April 23, 2013, 02:07:27 am
i like the idea, but it indeed seems a massive bunch of work

Nothing comes easy. Though it won't a pioneer work.
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Wolfsblood on April 23, 2013, 02:12:28 am
I would love for something like this to happen, rping can be so much fun when done right, which is why I liked playing PW. till it got ruined...
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Panos on April 23, 2013, 02:15:22 am
This will never happen and I can tell you why.

Clans despise each other, I`ve been to several teamspeaks, and I`ve heard each clan dissing the other.

Mercs were dissing Templars, Templars were dissing Byzantines, Byzantines were dissing Fallen and on and on and on.
Thats the only reason that I don`t want to join a clan, I feel like that if I join one, I will have to start dissing the others, and I have friends in all the clans.

but thats just my opinion.
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Carthan on April 23, 2013, 02:27:04 am

Clans despise each other, I`ve been to several teamspeaks, and I`ve heard each clan dissing the other.
Plain and simply clans do develop a dislike from their rivalries.
But I see no reason why this cannot be built into the roleplay, different clans (Houses or guilds perhaps?) with distrusts or alliances forced into an environment where these could have a major and fun impact, such as battles, meetings, even simple beatings or hiring of assassins on other clan members and players.

Besides, what better way than showing clan pride than roleplaying a member of said clan/faction.
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Tanken on April 23, 2013, 06:56:11 am
Voice rp...

/me shudders.

I don't want to hear these nerds' voices. It's bad enough in strat battles, much less them "Roleplaying"
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: korppis on April 23, 2013, 07:08:08 am
...Isn't that awesome? Now imagine that with cRPG players running wild, shouting, insulting each other...

Sounds just like EU1...
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Molly on April 23, 2013, 08:45:32 am
I'm pretty sure that actually chadz would love this. He is all into this player-to-player relationships and stuff.

Especially this...

Plain and simply clans do develop a dislike from their rivalries.
But I see no reason why this cannot be built into the roleplay, different clans (Houses or guilds perhaps?) with distrusts or alliances forced into an environment where these could have a major and fun impact, such as battles, meetings, even simple beatings or hiring of assassins on other clan members and players.

Besides, what better way than showing clan pride than roleplaying a member of said clan/faction.

...could pull the Overlord on your side. I strongly suggest to send him a pm here or in IRC and try to let him know. He has the possibilities to get this running.

Count me in if it ever becomes reality!
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: ArysOakheart on April 23, 2013, 08:53:03 am
Give us a TL;DR for those who have time to only read real books.
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Fuma Kotaro on April 23, 2013, 09:15:59 am
the duck is ready to participate
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Felix on April 23, 2013, 09:51:59 am
Clans despise each other, I`ve been to several teamspeaks, and I`ve heard each clan dissing the other.

Do you think it was any different in 2010? That wasn't a problem back then and i don't think it would become a problem now. That's a good thing about RP - people can actually convey their feelings (even negative) into something artistic.

Voice rp...

/me shudders.

I don't want to hear these nerds' voices. It's bad enough in strat battles, much less them "Roleplaying"

You would be surprised how motivated people can become. I assure you that players who participated in RP events were no different from cRPG nerds - given circumstances they CAN actually roleplay. I was a first hand witness. Surely, not everyone could speak (because of TS limitations - you can't have more than two people speaking at the same time in the same location) - there were extras and main characters, just like in a real theatre play

Give us a TL;DR for those who have time to only read real books.
We want to make real voice RP, with acting. With plot, characters and stuff. Via TS. Why should we do it? Cause fuck you that's why it's fun. Is it hard? Yes it's.

What we need to get this running technically are: TS server, cRPG server and a map maker. For the first session we could even use one of the old maps - cause cRPG has bunch of rural and city maps. So basically we pretty much have everything we need.

Count me in if it ever becomes reality!

It's YOU and every single player who make this real.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Felix on April 23, 2013, 10:03:22 am
I should also add that both TS and Mumble went through many updates since 2010, so i am pretty sure those programmes (especially Mumble with actual 3D sound positioning) will help with immersion into RP.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Macropus on April 23, 2013, 10:41:59 am
I think what you described is pretty much waiting for us in "Epic". Warband isn't comfortable for RP, though still it's possible... like RP-ing in Counter Stike)
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Ronin on April 23, 2013, 10:46:05 am
I will participate if it's without TS. I hate listening to lonely nerds with no friends.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Felix on April 23, 2013, 10:51:33 am
I think what you described is pretty much waiting for us in "Epic". Warband isn't comfortable for RP, though still it's possible... like RP-ing in Counter Stike)

WB indeed isn't really comfortable for RP. But we made it possible, i see no reason why it won't work this time.
I believe Epic is more like Strategus, which doesn't appeal to me that much. Or better. But still, Epic isn't coming very soon, is it? RP is something different entirely. It's about playing your role and sticking to your cause and the general plot.

I will participate if it's without TS. I hate listening to lonely nerds with no friends.
Typing-RP has proved to be one of the most uncomfortable way to RP in such a dynamic game as Warband. Voice RPing fits much better. Typing makes everything slow.
Well i am a nerd with a girlfriend, job and friends, will you listen to me RPing? BTW i can do both Russian and asian English accents   :lol:
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Gnjus on April 23, 2013, 11:32:43 am
from ol' good times when cRPG was still a small rpg mode with html website and black armor ever ugly Gnjus running around and killing people ...

Do you people even remember everything else from early cRPG days ? You're like the 25th guy mentioning this during the last year.....while I could recall so many great things that people rarely mention.  :)


On topic tho:

This will never happen and I can tell you why.

Clans despise each other, I`ve been to several teamspeaks, and I`ve heard each clan dissing the other.

Mercs were dissing Templars, Templars were dissing Byzantines, Byzantines were dissing Fallen and on and on and on.
Thats the only reason that I don`t want to join a clan, I feel like that if I join one, I will have to start dissing the others, and I have friends in all the clans.

but thats just my opinion.

Roleplay....ah roleplay........I've been doing it in a way for a long time now (would you believe it !) on EU1 and I must admit: one of my greatest fears left in this mod is the bare thought I might actually begin to like that pair of first class my old friends Jackie Chan & Royal Asshole (not to mention others, it would make a long list) once I've met them so I prefer keeping it this way rather then spoil the magic.  :twisted:

What someone said: maybe its too late for this mod due to its many limitations and maybe this is something better left for Battlegrounds or Bannerlords or any of its mods where you will simply have more options of making a good roleplaying video as well to go along the voice acting.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: BASNAK on April 23, 2013, 12:36:50 pm
This is a great way to preserve our virginities
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Panos on April 23, 2013, 12:40:21 pm
I will participate if it's without TS. I hate listening to lonely nerds with no friends.

from my experience, gamers who call other people nerds and failers, are the biggest losers in life.

get a grip.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Teeth on April 23, 2013, 12:44:48 pm
10k says trolls will cock up the entire thing, this is cRPG after all.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Felix on April 23, 2013, 12:54:20 pm
Do you people even remember everything else from early cRPG days ? You're like the 25th guy mentioning this during the last year.....while I could recall so many great things that people rarely mention.  :)

What someone said: maybe its too late for this mod due to its many limitations and maybe this is something better left for Battlegrounds or Bannerlords or any of its mods where you will simply have more options of making a good roleplaying video as well to go along the voice acting.

Well, i do, but the first guy to get black armor was the most memorable thing back then) And how we used to gang up you, because otherwise we wouldn't be able to do any damage with our scythes and hunting bows  :lol:

Nah, we could pull it with vanilla Warband Native, so i don't see why we can't do this on cRPG

10k says trolls will cock up the entire thing, this is cRPG after all.

True enough. But they won't be in roster for the next RP event for sure. Usually all trolls get kicked out after the first session.

Well, to make it short, i will try to get the first RP event up and we will see how it goes. It's kinda useless to blabber and talk about things that people never seen or tried - better show them  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Kuujis on April 23, 2013, 02:28:40 pm
This will never happen and I can tell you why.

Clans despise each other, I`ve been to several teamspeaks, and I`ve heard each clan dissing the other.

Mercs were dissing Templars, Templars were dissing Byzantines, Byzantines were dissing Fallen and on and on and on.
Thats the only reason that I don`t want to join a clan, I feel like that if I join one, I will have to start dissing the others, and I have friends in all the clans.

but thats just my opinion.

Wait a sec... noone dissing HRE??? :shock:

On topic - isn't there a mod, which actually has quite some structure for RP stuff? I think Miwiw was/is involved with those somehow, as one evening I found a bunch of HRE's roleplaying some arabs... or some such :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: BeastSVK on April 23, 2013, 03:33:52 pm
What i and all my clanmates need is just small forest so we can do our job of colecting.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIV4poUZAQo
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 03:39:55 pm
This will never happen and I can tell you why.

Clans despise each other, I`ve been to several teamspeaks, and I`ve heard each clan dissing the other.

Mercs were dissing Templars, Templars were dissing Byzantines, Byzantines were dissing Fallen and on and on and on.
Thats the only reason that I don`t want to join a clan, I feel like that if I join one, I will have to start dissing the others, and I have friends in all the clans.

but thats just my opinion.

Wait you think because people diss oen another we hate them? HAHAHAHA.  I'd happily hang out in the byzantium channel if i wasnt made to look like such a scrub playing with them.

I'll rip on ninjas for beign my old friends, mercs for being elitest pricks and HRE for being a huge collection of noobs but that doesnt mean i wouldnt hang out with those people.  Shit i'll even talk to you :P
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Panos on April 23, 2013, 03:45:07 pm
Wait you think because people diss oen another we hate them? HAHAHAHA.  I'd happily hang out in the byzantium channel if i wasnt made to look like such a scrub playing with them.

I'll rip on ninjas for beign my old friends, mercs for being elitest pricks and HRE for being a huge collection of noobs but that doesnt mean i wouldnt hang out with those people.  Shit i'll even talk to you :P

You`ll talk to me because I`m your da.

oh and BTW, prepare my crown, only 92 points left..  :twisted:
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 03:48:22 pm
The day you reach 999 is the day you get perma-banned again.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 23, 2013, 03:51:09 pm
"roleplaying" aka two guys having cyber sex over a video game with 20 year old graphics.
Title: Re: Thoughts about RP in cRPG
Post by: Idzo on April 23, 2013, 03:57:57 pm
Can I be the beggar please??


Away with you wile beggar or somwthing like that.
Tl;dr old mcBeggat had a farm but it was all burn'd down.

Welcome back greek.

+1 for idea.
Deserters played pw and all of us were giving 150%

So if my trolls did it, dunno why others wouldnt
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Bjord on April 23, 2013, 04:06:25 pm
I much prefer text-based roleplaying. You expect me to listen to broken and butchered English? :D

Don't get me wrong, I really like RP. I just think this is something that will most likely sink on its maiden journey.

But the idea is good, I'm not dissing you at all. Perhaps it could work if <insert secret project> had in-game VoIP with 3D sound, that way more people could speak at the same time.

BTW I just remembered, Teamspeak has this 3D sound thing. It might actually work, but there is no dynamism in it as you have to manually move your "character" in the menu.

Anyway, best of luck. :)
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Felix on April 23, 2013, 04:18:42 pm
But the idea is good, I'm not dissing you at all. Perhaps it could work if <insert secret project> had in-game VoIP with 3D sound, that way more people could speak at the same time.

Well, here, i found a Mumble tutorial link. VoIP 3D sound in-game.
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,109998.0.html

But i have to agree with broken and butchered English issue, though it's not players' fault - few of us ever taken speaking skill lessons or taken part in theatre plays.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on April 23, 2013, 04:54:40 pm
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Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 05:32:43 pm
Roleplay isn't complete without the sexy brit accent  8-)


Sorry Cas you sound too much like a peasant they need posh accents!

That is the first time I've ever been called a peasant! How very dare you sir!
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Panos on April 23, 2013, 06:00:46 pm
Roleplay isn't complete without the sexy brit accent  8-)


Sorry Cas you sound too much like a peasant they need posh accents!
So basically you? :P

says the Welsh..  :lol:
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Siberian_Wolf on April 23, 2013, 06:06:00 pm
Go to persistent world servers. C-rpg is for fighting.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Felix on April 23, 2013, 06:48:31 pm
Go to persistent world servers. C-rpg is for fighting.

Obviously you didn't get it, did you? Why bother commenting then?

P.S. PW is bullshit.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Sebi_is_Hero on April 23, 2013, 06:56:40 pm
My sister could take the female voices.
She is 16 now, I think would be great or my mum =D
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on April 23, 2013, 07:36:42 pm
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Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Panos on April 23, 2013, 07:45:28 pm
My sister could take the female voices.
She is 16 now, I think would be great or my mum =D

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Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 08:45:00 pm
I've got more class in my bollocks than you have in your whole body, serf.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Gnjus on April 23, 2013, 09:38:33 pm
I find both Casimir & Crymoar somewhat sexy even tho they're britmy old friends. Don't know why, tho......  :rolleyes:
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Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Clockworkkiller on April 24, 2013, 05:34:56 am
Interesting idea, it can be done, as there's a native server completely dedicated to it
I love RPing, but I would prefer it to be typed-based or Atleast one where I don't have to talk.

any way, I'd like to get some more information about it all, then ill say my opinion
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: LordRichrich on April 24, 2013, 09:20:00 am
I assume by butchered English you were referring to Casi? It's horrible, it gives me ear infections!
If you want THE English accent, you can have me. Only £9.99 an hour!
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Nordwolf on April 24, 2013, 11:40:07 am
This is great!
I can actually remeber those RPs, they sometimes were a complete mess, but were always fun no matter what.
Btw for later RPs we even created a separate module to allow wearing different clothes. cRPG is perfect for this!

About broken english - it is never a problem, everyone can get a role: you can be a foreign trader or even some assasin who isn't good at local language. In one RP I've been an enemy scout group member and we were mostly speaking between each other.

Also, voice RP is great, for example one time we could spy an official meeting, it was rather hard to hear but that is just an addition to fun.

Another part of greatness in these RPs is that even though roles are predefined, only organiser knows all characters: you won't know if there is an enemy scout group, or how many guards are in a village.
Yeah, there are a lot of things laying on organisers, but even if plot isn't very great, people rule that event and it is still interesting.
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Casimir on April 24, 2013, 12:13:53 pm
I assume by butchered English you were referring to Casi? It's horrible, it gives me ear infections!
If you want THE English accent, you can have me. Only £9.99 an hour!

You wanna make this a three way arse kicking?
Title: Re: Thoughts about live (voice) RP (events) in cRPG
Post by: Felix on April 24, 2013, 09:24:34 pm
Interesting idea, it can be done, as there's a native server completely dedicated to it
I love RPing, but I would prefer it to be typed-based or Atleast one where I don't have to talk.

any way, I'd like to get some more information about it all, then ill say my opinion

Well, type-based events can't involve any fighting. And warband is, after all, a game about people pretending to be medieval warriors beating the shit out of each other  :mrgreen:

This is great!
I can actually remeber those RPs, they sometimes were a complete mess, but were always fun no matter what.
Btw for later RPs we even created a separate module to allow wearing different clothes. cRPG is perfect for this!

About broken english - it is never a problem, everyone can get a role: you can be a foreign trader or even some assasin who isn't good at local language. In one RP I've been an enemy scout group member and we were mostly speaking between each other.

Also, voice RP is great, for example one time we could spy an official meeting, it was rather hard to hear but that is just an addition to fun.

Another part of greatness in these RPs is that even though roles are predefined, only organiser knows all characters: you won't know if there is an enemy scout group, or how many guards are in a village.
Yeah, there are a lot of things laying on organisers, but even if plot isn't very great, people rule that event and it is still interesting.

This. I am glad someone from old time is still hanging around. There are actually lot of roles that are counted as extras - member of bandit gang, nameless soldiers etc, where you will be only speaking with each other (without RP style, in TS for example) or just listen to commands. We will try to balance it out so one one feels bored.