cRPG
cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Longshanks on May 02, 2011, 04:16:56 pm
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I just bought Warband yesterday and downloaded this mod as I hear it's great. I spent about 4 hours dying a lot as a peasant but was able to level up to about 20 and buy some quite good gear. I then equipped all this geat that took me 4 hours to grind only to have to remove it all after 5 rounds as I was losing so much gold in repairs. So now I am back with all my peasant gear as it's all I can afford to wear......I nominate this game to be the most pointless waste of my time in 22 years of gaming. :lol:
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I just bought Warband yesterday and downloaded this mod as I hear it's great. I spent about 4 hours dying a lot as a peasant but was able to level up to about 20 and buy some quite Expensive gear. I then equipped all this geat that took me 4 hours to grind only to have to remove it all after 5 rounds as I was losing so much gold in repairs. So now I am back with all my peasant gear as it's all I can afford to wear......I nominate this game to be the most pointless waste of my time in 22 years of gaming. :lol:
Use cheaper gear. Problem solved.
If not, then feel free to join those who whine about repair costs. I and quite a few other players do just fine without loosing any gold.
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You're trolling, right? Playing a mod for a couple of hours then coming in here talking like you know the game?
After more than a thousand hours of playing i can say that you, sir, are wrong. cRPG is great. Wasting time? Yes. Fun? Absolutely.
Keep an eye on your multiplier, get it up to x5 and keep it there with tactics and teamplay and you'll be able to easily afford 70-80k of equipment without losing money on the repairs.
If you are incapable of good teamplay and tactics and communicating with teammates and making plans, just stick with your light to medium armor.
Another tip: change the attitude. I've been gaming for just as long as you, but that doesn't change the fact that your opinion is based on only a few hours of playing. Next time, just ask for a few tips politely.
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I just bought Warband yesterday and downloaded this mod as I hear it's great. I spent about 4 hours dying a lot as a peasant but was able to level up to about 20 and buy some quite good gear. I then equipped all this geat that took me 4 hours to grind only to have to remove it all after 5 rounds as I was losing so much gold in repairs. So now I am back with all my peasant gear as it's all I can afford to wear......I nominate this game to be the most pointless waste of my time in 22 years of gaming. :lol:
At the mo it's impossible to wear top gear all the time.
You can wear medium armour + good weapon most/all of the time.
If you took the time to make a post in here then I don't think you're done with the mod just yet.
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What kind of attitude do you expect? I spent the best part of yesterday being bored at being one shotted and being unable to do much damage. I saved up enough to buy a decent bow, decent arrows, modest armour and was quite excited to be able to kill people for once. Then after 5 rounds on x1 multiplyer I was virtually bankrupt (not my fault my team were hopelessly outnumbered). I then had to put my crap gear back on for about 15 rounds just to get a few thousand gold in my bank. I was just about to put my good gear back on but thought "Whats the point" and thats why I posted.
It's fine all these people that have played for months when gold was easy to get, they have hundreds of thousands so they don't feel it, but new players like myself are totally gimped. I played WOW for 6 years and did not mind the grind as you were rewarded, with this I am punnished for having good gear, it's utterly stupid and as the topic suggests, what is the point of getting good gear if you can't wear it.
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I'm new and have no problem with gear. I use a decent set worth about 20k and make plenty of money with it. Using that money I can go with my best gear whenever I want to. What is the point of having non uber gear if you could wear the best all the time?
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A good friend of mine started playing saturday evening. Together, we earned 20 000 gold with a couple of hours of playing.
He bought an Nordic Champion Sword, a Board Shield, Kergit Lamellar Armor, Lamellar Gauntlets, Leather Boots and a Nordic Warlord Helmet.
He still has 12 k gold left on the bank for repair costs now.
My point is this: you can easily afford medium armor and any weapon you choose. Just don't expect to be able to afford full plate armor all the time.
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Wow... You a cRPG expert already eh? HAhaha. I could play any game for a few hours and die. Doesnt mean the game is pointless. Most of us played single player before we started in on this online. I mean, how can u say it sucks before you even know how to play it? If i just bought this game and got online and said"Hey this is really easy. I got the best gear there is, I kill everything and everyone, No prob." I wouldnt play this for more than a week. If a game is simple it wont be fun. Games, like sports, are competitive. Of course the first few hours youre going to suck. Shoot, this first week or month even, youre going to get your rear end handed to you by the dedicated player whose always on. Besides all that theres choices, and a lot of 'em. You wanna throw? Do you wanna be a cav(sword, pole-arm, thrower, archer?), do wanna be an archer/xbow, or any of the other numerous options given to you? You cant just pick up one type of weapon and bam youre a god! No game is like that. Try others...
I started as a two hander. I had my big axe and my huge armor... I was getting killed by everyone. After a while I jumped on a horse and reduced my armor. Then I got one or two kills. Damn archers love horses. :P After that I dropped my big weapon and took up throwing things. Got even more kills. Then I went one handed with a shield. Got even more kills. Then I spiced it up a bit. I went one hand/ throwing. "Hey might as well have a shield" I exclaimed and so I got a cheap one. Then I was on a horse. After all that I found my style. Im a cav with a sword and shield, throwing is my back up since I cant duel well. Now I stay in the middle of the bracket when it comes to kill/death ratio. Fun stuff... Not to mention I LOVE making maps and Im still trying to make a good one. :D
My point, as well as previous posters, is dont just drop it because you really have not played it. Try something new... If that doesnt work try something else. Theres a style out there for everyone. But if youre just going to be negative dont bother posting. Whats the point?
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What kind of attitude do you expect? I spent the best part of yesterday being bored at being one shotted and being unable to do much damage. I saved up enough to buy a decent bow, decent arrows, modest armour and was quite excited to be able to kill people for once. Then after 5 rounds on x1 multiplyer I was virtually bankrupt (not my fault my team were hopelessly outnumbered). I then had to put my crap gear back on for about 15 rounds just to get a few thousand gold in my bank. I was just about to put my good gear back on but thought "Whats the point" and thats why I posted.
It's fine all these people that have played for months when gold was easy to get, they have hundreds of thousands so they don't feel it, but new players like myself are totally gimped. I played WOW for 6 years and did not mind the grind as you were rewarded, with this I am punnished for having good gear, it's utterly stupid and as the topic suggests, what is the point of getting good gear if you can't wear it.
The age-old question that has haunted crpg players since upkeep's inception.
Basically it stops everyone wearing black plate wielding flamberges, top this, top that etc all the time. Stops cav being too overpowered too (eg either they have a good horse or good gear - hard to upkeep both).
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well, it's not fun to be a low lvl peasant
within 4 hours you should be having fun (lvl 20+ and a proper build)
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Just because I don't agree with you does not make me negative or someone with an attitude, I respect your opinion but totally disagree with it.
I have played M&B for 2 years so am not new to the game, I am new to Warband and Crpg but as it's very close to M&B it was very easy to adapt. I did spec wrong as I was initially going for cav with one hander as thats what I enjoy in M&B. I changed my mind when I saw the horse prices, now I am speccing as archer. I have a mix of gear which includes Tourney Armour, Strongbow, Elite Schimitar and some nice gloves, hat and boots, probably over 30k in value. My point is I can not wear all this gear unless I am over x2 mulitplier as I lose too much gold. Last game alone cost me over 500 gold and I only made 200, I can not sustain this level of loss.
So what you are telling me is I have to wear my crap gear till I am rich enough to be able to cope with the gold loss I will have by wearing good gear. Grind to buy the gear then grind a load more to fill up your bank so that you can wear the gear.
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The age-old question that has haunted crpg players since upkeep's inception.
Basically it stops everyone wearing black plate wielding flamberges, top this, top that etc all the time. Stops cav being too overpowered too (eg either they have a good horse or good gear - hard to upkeep both).
You mean it stops new players from doing this. I asked how much money people had in game and some of them have millions so I very much doubt they will care about any upkeep costs.
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The age-old question that has haunted crpg players since upkeep's inception.
Basically it stops everyone wearing black plate wielding flamberges, top this, top that etc all the time. Stops cav being too overpowered too (eg either they have a good horse or good gear - hard to upkeep both).
The assumption being "with expensive gear, you will top the scoreboard and make your team win". And this is UTTERLY FALSE. Of course low armor agistacker fans won't admit it. We want diversity, but we make all the high tier armors impossible to use :?: If you really think they are OP, fine, nerf them. But simply removing them was retarded.
Now just look around and see cheap stuff dominating. Much people don't even use up to 37k equipment, simply because they do better with less.
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It's fine all these people that have played for months when gold was easy to get, they have hundreds of thousands so they don't feel it, but new players like myself are totally gimped.
Nah, you're just new and haven't found the good balance for your gear yet. I just started another new char yesterday, played him to lvl 22 and have all the gear I need with a healthy sum of gold in reserve. The important thing is to not aim too high. Low-medium tier gear (3-6k armor, 1-2k helmet etc.) offer great value for your gold.
Just take a moment to think what you really want to do instead of buying all kinds of cool gear and then going bankrupt. It's difficult at first but very rewarding when you get the hang of it. Always keep like 3-5k gold buffer that balances out your victories and defeats.
"The players who have millions" are actually very few. Sure, there are some but not certainly enough to ruin your pleasure.
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You mean it stops new players from doing this. I asked how much money people had in game and some of them have millions so I very much doubt they will care about any upkeep costs.
if a player has millions 8i have that myself), it is because he enjoys playing with lgiht gear because of the speed, and therefore he will also use light gear even when he has millions. I'm still erning money because i rarely use anything heavier than byrnie; i simply dont like it.
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PPP=PPP
Piss poor planning= Piss Poor Performance.
How about reading the forums, using common sense and NOT buying the uber top of the line equipment. I swear some people need a 24/7 hand holder.
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There is a lot of mid-level armor that provides close to the same benefits as high end at a fraction of the cost.
Also, archers shouldn't carry that much weight anyways... so really you should slowly be gaining money anyways since your most expensive pieces are probably your bow and then cheap armor.
Also... you should always have some gold stashed away to deal with unlucky 1x streaks. Early on I was irked by repair costs, but then once you balance out your equipment you'll start rolling in the dough, or at least will have enough to balance out through the unlucky times.
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I don't know why everyone has to piss on someone new to this mod. The more people playing, the better.
At least some people gave good advice. You will need a little nest egg before you can maintain the repair costs. You do not need a lot. I maintain around 50k, which may seem like a lot to you now. Its not. Unless this patch changed something, repair costs are 5% of item cost, with around 4-5% chance of breaking per item. Most people have a cheap loadout for x1, maybe a medium loadout for x2-x4 and bring out the expensive shit for x5. Based on your own chosen build, you will need to figure out that balance for yourself. Heavy cavalry and heavy armor guys are the most expensive. Archers are probably the cheapest because archers should be wearing very light or no armor. My suggestion is to use a powerful weapon and very little armor to make your nest egg.
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Katana agi spammer whore - cheap and effective
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Nah, you're just new and haven't found the good balance for your gear yet. I just started another new char yesterday, played him to lvl 22 and have all the gear I need with a healthy sum of gold in reserve. The important thing is to not aim too high. Low-medium tier gear (3-6k armor, 1-2k helmet etc.) offer great value for your gold.
Just take a moment to think what you really want to do instead of buying all kinds of cool gear and then going bankrupt. It's difficult at first but very rewarding when you get the hang of it. Always keep like 3-5k gold buffer that balances out your victories and defeats.
"The players who have millions" are actually very few. Sure, there are some but not certainly enough to ruin your pleasure.
This mainly. I have a six digit figure of wealth for my main character, and even with the new patch that figure always rises. Non of my characters have a "reserve" that is slowly draining.
The only character I have money problems with is my Cavalry, but he merely has to just ditch the horse in maps like cities, and then bring it out again in cav friendly maps and I am golden. Also, learn to play with the multipliers. On average you will have about a X2 all things considered even (in battle that is, Siege mode things are extremely unpredictable and I avoid it for money and XP, just play it for fun). You should be able to support about 35K worth of gear and break even most of the time, just have about ten or thirty thousand in reserve to compensate of "bad days" (don't worry that money should creep back up on good days). For higher multipliers break out the good stuff, if you find yourself stuck on X1 then use 30K or less gear if you can not break past it for hours.
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Are you trolling? Seriously its really hard not to make money as an archer consistently, doesn't matter how many months you have played, you still are constantly gaining not losing money as its one of the cheapest classes to maintain equipment-wise. Maybe you are trying to wear really heavy armor while being an archer, which is a mistake in the first place because archer's weapon proficiency (affects speed, damage, and accuracy) is heavily affected by the weight of their armor, (x3 for helmet weight, x2 for glove weight) so you proabbly don't want to wear a helmet and wear at most 10 lbs. of body armor preferably less, and max .5 weight gauntlets. Even at x1 you will steadily make far more money than you could ever need.
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I try and keep myself at 7 lbs but that is merely personal preference, and I use the most expensive arrows and bow in the game and I still make money even on X1 (Though the two slot items breaking twice does make me wince for upkeep, but still this only further proves my point).
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Hang in there man, this game certainly is frustrating for new players. It is one of those games where you make your own luck, and you get what you put into it. Focus on staying alive and watching your teammates backs, they will love you for it. I usually hover around 35k equip (you can see the total cost of your loadout on the website), which gets me medium armor and a good weapon on foot, or light armor and a courser mounted. This lets me make gold at a slow rate, but steadily. Every few maps I will treat myself to a round or two in full bling gear, and it makes those rounds all the more fun.
If you are looking for folks to play with and offer advice hit me up with a pm and we can go to the duel server and practice. -Cheers!
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Go dedicated archer. Bow, arrows, and MAYBE a zero slot weapon like a dagger, Hammer, or Pickaxe. Use light armor. Cloth. Rich outfit. Pelt Coat. Try to keep your loadout cost under 20k per 1x you have. Through strategies like these I've managed to save over 600k in the few months I've been playing, while still using great weapons.
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If you think archers have problems keeping money you clearly haven't played cav.
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You mean it stops new players from doing this. I asked how much money people had in game and some of them have millions so I very much doubt they will care about any upkeep costs.
some ppl have millions but I think many more have 100k or less and are trying to keep it at the same level
no matter how much money u have you cant continuously use top gear bcos u will run out
the people with millions probably gain money each round
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well, it's not fun to be a low lvl peasant
within 4 hours you should be having fun (lvl 20+ and a proper build)
How is that normally possible in this mod? I barely made it to 20ish in 5+ hours during the uber-crazy free exp spree with DTV.
PS. This does effect new players drastically more than it effects old players.
Older players have 'loomed items, are much higher level, and play with clans of similar players. Additionally, you get new gear much faster than you get more levels. Because of this, new players stay useless much longer than they otherwise would. If they buy good items, they start losing money quickly and can't use them. If they don't buy good items, they literally can't kill a decent high level player 99 times out of 100.
Basically, the penalty is much harsher to those who are just starting, even if you don't take accumulated gold from the past into account.
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Here is some advice for how to avoid burnout on this game:
If you aren't having fun don't play.
I play because i think it is fun game
get involved, talk to people in game. work with team.
Roleplay, at low levels it is fun just to roleplay. I sometimes change my char into a wandering monk with a torch and staff.
last night i made my polearms char look like a orc with face creator and was using a scythe because i was lagging too bad to be really effective. i had fun and actually didnt do too bad.
Plan your characters. before making your character plan out what skills and stats you are going to put all your points into. if you are not sure what is good ask. there are many threads on here offering advice.
Try out diffent types of char
if you continue to play the game and start retireing don't always stay the same weapon type, if you think one type of character is overpowered , try it out yourself.
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My point is I can not wear all this gear unless I am over x2 mulitplier as I lose too much gold. Last game alone cost me over 500 gold and I only made 200, I can not sustain this level of loss.
Right, the idea is to prevent people from all being heavy tin-cans ALL the time. Plan ahead when you're picking what to wear. If it's the first round, don't be afraid to sport peasant clothing. If you know your team will probably win the next round try to equip better items to help keep/gain a higher multiplier.
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I did spec wrong as I was initially going for cav with one hander as thats what I enjoy in M&B. I changed my mind when I saw the horse prices, now I am speccing as archer.
Well, it's not impossible to go cav straight away, but you'll have to compromise a bit. Go light armor and stick with the cheaper horses. As a dedicated 1h cav myself, when the upkeep patch hit, i immediately switched my Cataphract horse for my good old Steppe horse and i've been doing fine, money wise.
I don't make a profit, but i don't lose money either. I can usually afford 70 to 80k of equipment without losing any money. The trick is to win more rounds then you lose. You can achieve this my discussing tactics with your teammates while dead, using the flags from the batallions to show people where to go and generally just stick together and encourage your team to really try and win. I wrote a guide on using tactics ages ago, it's under the guides section.
Going archer for a generation is a good way to start, because you'll make a nice profit and you'll be able to buy more stuff. Once you get a buffer of 50k, you can try some of the more expensive items and horses. But if you stick to the rouncey or steppe horse and don't use that mount every round, going cav is afforable too.
How is that normally possible in this mod? I barely made it to 20ish in 5+ hours during the uber-crazy free exp spree with DTV.
The gold and xp gain on DTV is 1/3 of the gold and xp on Siege and Battle mode. That explains that, probably. Still, 5 hours to level 20ish isn't that bad, right? If you get lucky on a battle mode and get to run an x5 streak a few times, you can probably do it in four hours or less.
Older players have 'loomed items, are much higher level, and play with clans of similar players. Additionally, you get new gear much faster than you get more levels. Because of this, new players stay useless much longer than they otherwise would. If they buy good items, they start losing money quickly and can't use them. If they don't buy good items, they literally can't kill a decent high level player 99 times out of 100.
Basically, the penalty is much harsher to those who are just starting, even if you don't take accumulated gold from the past into account.
Is isn't really true. On my main character i retire often, so half the time i'm level 30, a quarter of the time i'm between 25 and 30 and a quarter of the time i'm below level 25 (which i consider to be a lowbie). Many of the 'older' player do that. I also make a lot of alts and with those i have to start on 0 gold like everybody else.
There are a handful of level 32 players and a couple of level 33, but that's it. Basicly, level 31 is the soft cap and not many players go beyond that. In theory, players can reach level 35, but that would take months of playing and doesn't really give that big of an advantage.
Pre patch, the gold gain was incredibly slow, so there were no real rich players. So no fortunes were inherited from the pre patch era. It's much easier to make vast sums of money after the upkeep costs were introduced.
New players stop being useless after a couple of evenings of playing. If you average x2, you are level 25 in 13 hours, at which point you have earned plenty of gold (10-15k) to buy good equipment.
Also, people seem to forget many of the lower tier weapons are actually really good. Take a look at the normal (not Elite) Scimitar for example. It's not top tier but stats-wise it can compete with the most expensive weapons. Or take a look at the Flanged Mace. I consider that to be the best blunt weapon for 1h. Yet it only costs a measilly 3k. You can earn that weapon the first night you play and be able to afford a reasonable shield with that.
I have two friends who started playing mere days ago and they both can hold their own already and are making kills. They are killing decent, high level players already.
The problem here, i think, is that some new players tend to go for top tier equipment before they are ready for it. Like another guy said, get a little nest egg, a buffer of 50k gold or something, before you buy the more espensive stuff. And if you are still trying out new gear and equipment, don't go for the most expensive stuff just yet. First go for the cheaper stuff and try that. Some of it is really good.
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Spent about 70k on all new armor and items after patch, mostly wearing about 20k in total equipment and got back to 80k on account in about several evenings of playing. Could play 20-30 rounds in plate for the same price, but what's a point if I'm loving my strange armor for it's new look and good enought stats.
When I had a 2h build and needed to raise some money quick, I would wear a peasant clothing with plated mittens and german greatsword, just for style.
If you are completetly new player, I would suggest you to make a simple 18/18 polearm build, take a low end armor and pike. This way you would be helpfull to your team and will raise money really quick, to spent them on your next gens and builds.
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The gold and xp gain on DTV is 1/3 of the gold and xp on Siege and Battle mode. That explains that, probably. Still, 5 hours to level 20ish isn't that bad, right? If you get lucky on a battle mode and get to run an x5 streak a few times, you can probably do it in four hours or less.
Wasn't it initially full gold/exp gain, and then changed to 1/3rd after it became clear that that was far too much?
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I laughed at the part where he said gold was easy to get before.
Also, on my char I use about 50k gold worth of stuff, and I'm still gaining, today only I went from 20k to 30k without ever having to take out my 50k gold gear.
Simply put, you're doing it wrong.