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Title: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Algarn on March 28, 2013, 08:20:30 pm
I'm near to go level 33 (15 mil xp lol)  , and I wonder what to enhance ...

161 archery   ( good accuracy , very good at melee)
100 1 handed

165 archery (pretty accuracy , medium at melee )
70 1 handed

or

170 archery (excellent accuracy , but shit at melee
50 1 handed

Please help me to choose  :)
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Grimoald on March 29, 2013, 02:57:58 am
50 in 1 h as archer is enough :)

And your main weapon is your bow , so more wpf = more damage :)
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Jarold on March 29, 2013, 07:17:27 pm
Depends I say get 80 1h its the best.
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: GuiKa on March 29, 2013, 09:48:48 pm
50 wpf with low armor is enough for using a 1h and be able to kill anyone with it.
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Ronin on March 29, 2013, 10:06:12 pm
What are your other stats? Like strength and power strike?
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: the real god emperor on March 29, 2013, 11:19:10 pm
Go full archery, since 0 slot weapons are shit, you only need melee to block people until the help comes.
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Ostulor on March 30, 2013, 12:02:54 am
Quote from: Kratos on March 29, 2013, 11:19:10 pm
Go full archery, since 0 slot weapons are shit, you only need melee to block people until the help comes.

Really?

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Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Algarn on March 30, 2013, 09:11:23 am
I have 6 PS , 18 in strength , and I hate kiting  :)
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: FrugFrug on March 30, 2013, 10:39:07 am
Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on March 30, 2013, 09:11:23 am
and I hate kiting

Good for you.
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Fredom on March 30, 2013, 10:45:19 am
160 at Archery is enough, if you haven't got any problems if you can aim with just 120 wpf. I would go for your first choice. 160 accurary in archery and 100 in 1 handed should be excellent :P
I think you will use a short sword, maybe the Nordic Short Sword. Pretty good 0 slot weapon in anyway. I say again, I would choose 160 Archery and 100 onehanded.
BTW 6 PS oO kidding me?! :D 
U can kill plate guy with it:P Choose 160Archery and 100 Onehanded!
Hope I could help You by deciding :)
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Moncho on March 30, 2013, 10:49:09 am
I would go for 100 1h, if only to get that repair chance reduced (even if it will not get to the minimum due to armour reduction). You will already be paying a ton for your archer equipment, and this will help you save money.
And for accuracy, I rarely go above 150 archery wpf, yet I have never had higher level than 30, but with 150 I find it more than adequate, so 160 should be good enough.

Or you can try a STF and compare if you want and are not too sure about it
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Algarn on March 30, 2013, 11:57:22 am
ARghhh , the choice is hard between become almost XiNoX , or killing everything with 100 in 1 handed  :(
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Wolfsblood on March 30, 2013, 12:52:33 pm
id say the 100 wpf in 1 handed. make u good all around. plus i dont think u need more than 160 in archer anyway
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Ronin on March 30, 2013, 12:53:44 pm
Since you already have 6 ps, I'd say 100 wpf in onehanded. A good way to become an effective hybrid. Remember, you'll need better melee to get valour. 10 wpf in archery is pretty much not that beneficial compared to the one you'll have in melee.
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Algarn on March 30, 2013, 04:24:18 pm
Maybe I'll aim the 165 / 75 ... That's a good deal  :twisted: I will fu infrantry , and increase my accuracy too
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: isatis on March 30, 2013, 04:44:36 pm
With 6ps you are a hybrid man, therefore go for hybrid like built!

but, as you are an archer, go for archery

therefore, you hsould do the medium ! just like you said!
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Algarn on March 30, 2013, 05:29:20 pm
I need to test the accuracy then :/
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Fredom on March 30, 2013, 05:35:20 pm
Well, testing the accurary would be best for you I guess. Try a STF char, but I recommend to not using Bodkin arrows any longer. I loved them, liek everyoneelse I guess. But after the fix/nerf/patch... 10 weigth per Arrowpack is too much. Maybe you could try your accurary AND at same time  Tatar Arrows or some others.
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Vermilion on March 30, 2013, 05:49:10 pm
You'll see a much bigger difference between 50 and 100 wpf than you will between 161 and 170wpf.

IMO the points required to increase by 9wpf is not worth it.

I would take 1h to at least 75wpf..

83 1h and 164 arch sounds most beneficial to me.

If I've worked it out right you have 8 weapon master. This leaves 0wpf points so non are wasted... but this of course depends what level you are planning to reach.
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Algarn on March 30, 2013, 06:21:47 pm
I'll reach the level 33, but I'll end this at 34 maybe
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Algarn on May 10, 2013, 11:53:05 pm
I DONE IT !!!!! I reached yesterday the level 33, thanks for all your tips, my character's build now is :

Strength:18
Agility:24

One Handed:66
Archery:168

Weapon Master:8
Athletics:3
Iron Flesh:3
Power Strike:6
Power Draw:6

I made the choice to improve a lot my archery , and to make a decent 1handed skill ... So , I can only say thank you everyone !  :D
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Phew on May 14, 2013, 06:05:33 pm
The lousy archers whined/quit when the devs increased arrow weight, the good ones adapted like Algarn here, and mess people up at range and in melee.
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Algarn on May 14, 2013, 08:40:05 pm
yeah , that nerf is annoying and unrealistic , but I don't care because i don't kite
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Zanze on May 15, 2013, 01:07:01 am
Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on May 14, 2013, 08:40:05 pm
yeah , that nerf is annoying and unrealistic , but I don't care because i don't kite

Realism at that moment sacrificed for game balance.

Anyways, shame I didn't reply in time, but you basically nailed it. If you are using the short swords, 66 wpf is good enough. They are nasty little swords. I would have recommended 80 though since wpf gives a good bit of damage. Then again, minor issues. Well done on your conversion.
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Jarlek on May 15, 2013, 02:39:46 pm
Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on May 14, 2013, 08:40:05 pm
yeah , that nerf is annoying and unrealistic , but I don't care because i don't kite
+1. If only more archers were like you, they wouldn't have had to increase the arrow weight.
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Ronin on May 15, 2013, 05:29:19 pm
Hey algarn, I am aiming towards a similiar build at level 30; and I believe I will take 3 power strike over other skills. My build will be like this:

Level:30

Strength:18
Agility:24

One Handed:50 (ish)
Archery:170 (ish)

Weapon Master:8
Power Strike:3
Power Draw:6

I will probably use long bow and bodkins. It is same as you, so can you recommend me a nice 0 slot weapon?
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Algarn on May 18, 2013, 03:33:04 pm
Short arming sword is OP

29 pierce
29 cut
and that's cheap ^^

But your build makes you really slow and weak , you should make 18/21 , and spread points on IF, ATH, and more PS  :)

Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Ronin on May 18, 2013, 03:51:56 pm
With this 10 kg arrows, I'd never spent into athletics as an archer anymore. The mobility and kiting ability coming from 7 athletics hardly makes a difference (because of weight). If someone catches me, I usually fight with 3 ps and I must say my blocking skills are good enough for me to earn some survival time. Someone comes to help me after a while :P

I was using broad short sword, short arming seems quite nice and maybe it is even better. Gotta try out :)
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 20, 2013, 05:49:51 pm
I'd vote for 100 1h wpf, but I'm not an archer, so I can't say for sure if you'll be losing a lot more accuracy or damage.  That being said, the difference on a 1h between 75 WPF and 100 is not even noticeable.  I was doing just as good with 70 WPF in 1h as I normally would with 119wpf.   But I use a MW KAS
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Glyph on May 20, 2013, 07:36:17 pm
Does the 10 extra wpf in archery really matter much? any screens maybe?
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: jtobiasm on May 20, 2013, 07:59:27 pm
Quote from: Berethorn on May 20, 2013, 07:36:17 pm
Does the 10 extra wpf in archery really matter much? any screens maybe?
Yes it makes a huge difference, your crosshair does get smaller, you can hold your bow for a longer time without it moving wider also the damage is noticeable with every wm put into archery.  Try a 18/21 build and 18/24 and 18/27 you will see a huge difference from 18/21 to 18/24 in the size of your crosshair but it makes your arrows like a lot lot straighter. 9 wm, 18/27 is just insanely good.

Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Glyph on May 20, 2013, 08:43:32 pm
Quote from: jtobiasm on May 20, 2013, 07:59:27 pm
Yes it makes a huge difference, your crosshair does get smaller, you can hold your bow for a longer time without it moving wider also the damage is noticeable with every wm put into archery.  Try a 18/21 build and 18/24 and 18/27 you will see a huge difference from 18/21 to 18/24 in the size of your crosshair but it makes your arrows like a lot lot straighter. 9 wm, 18/27 is just insanely good.
didn't know it's that makes such a differenc. thx
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Algarn on July 10, 2013, 02:27:26 am
Now , I will try a thing none here tried now ...

I will put points in 2h

LEVEL 33

18/24

6 PS
2 IF
4 ATHL
8 WL
6 PD

55 1h
54 2h
165 archery

I tested this , I'm accurate , even with a heavy armor (blue brigandine with mail), but the question isn't here, it's about after ...

Because I can make a choice , for more Atl and more IF

Level 35

6 PS
4 IF
8 ATHL
8 WL
6 PD

Or , a thing totally mad , exploit wpf in 1 handed (can reach maybe a shit like 75 wpf, a decent amount) , and put points in shield ( yeah, it's madness )


6 PS
2 IF
6 ATHL
8 WL
6 PD
4 SHIELD

So, what is the best for melee ? :)


Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Vermilion on July 10, 2013, 01:46:22 pm
Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on July 10, 2013, 02:27:26 am
Because I can make a choice , for more Atl and more IF

Level 35

6 PS
4 IF
8 ATHL
8 WL
6 PD

Or , a thing totally mad , exploit wpf in 1 handed (can reach maybe a shit like 75 wpf, a decent amount) , and put points in shield ( yeah, it's madness )


6 PS
2 IF
6 ATHL
8 WL
6 PD
4 SHIELD

So, what is the best for melee ? :)

I would go for the first option and have more IF and AGI.

Reason being the second build is going to require too many slots and very high upkeep. You can only have 4 items max no matter how many slots they take up.. Bow, 1 set of arrows, shield and a 1h weapon.. You will run out of arrows too quickly and your shield skill isn't quite high enough for melee (need 5, there's a big difference between 3/4 and 5/6 shield skill I find). Also with the additional IF and AGI I think you will do better in melee, the second option will just have you constantly back peddling (shield reduces effective WPF and will make your 1 hand very slow, you will be lucky to get a hit in)
Title: Re: Need help to make a choice for improve profiencies
Post by: Algarn on July 10, 2013, 02:41:58 pm
yup , I know for everything, but not about the shield that reduce wpf o.o  Changes really everything about choices ... I will take the first one, finally ! I'm already slow, I shouldn't add weight with a shield  ;)

I can make the second thing only if devs buff WM (almost impossible  :rolleyes:)