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Title: Game is hard
Post by: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 05:34:48 am
2handers are hard

all you do is slash then run then lolstab

Mauls are hard

all you do is overhead

1h is hard

all you do is left swing

Pikes are hard

all you do is stab

Polearms are hard

knockdown and overhead so skilled

ranged is hard

run and shoot so skillfull

cav is hard

bump to victory and valour.

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Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: LordLargos on March 21, 2013, 05:50:33 am
Sadly no more bumping to victory :(
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Banok on March 21, 2013, 06:13:22 am
you missed

1h is hard

all you do is left swing
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 06:15:17 am
Quote from: Banok on March 21, 2013, 06:13:22 am
you missed

1h is hard

all you do is left swing

derp, thanks, added.
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Tibe on March 21, 2013, 06:29:59 am
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Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Malaclypse on March 21, 2013, 06:57:04 am
There's a difference between disparaging playstyles or classes and things being obviously imba (charge damage, high tier armor).
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 07:47:33 am
Quote from: Malaclypse on March 21, 2013, 06:57:04 am
There's a difference between disparaging playstyles or classes and things being obviously imba (charge damage, high tier armor).

Honestly, high armor is not imbalanced, even combat wise.

The WPF drop is so significant that you are literally hitting at half speed not to mention you move much much slower.

As a guy who moves very slow myself, trust me, it is balanced. Yes, you perform better in massive fights but the biggest problem is that when you enter a fight you are committed to it. If it goes to hell you can't just bail and wait for reinforcements. It is one of those tradeoffs.

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Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on March 21, 2013, 08:36:10 am
Horse archer is hard,

all you do is aim anywhere but your crosshairs
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Vibe on March 21, 2013, 08:57:24 am
Quote from: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 07:47:33 am
Honestly, high armor is not imbalanced, even combat wise.

The WPF drop is so significant that you are literally hitting at half speed not to mention you move much much slower.

lol
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Kafein on March 21, 2013, 09:02:29 am
Like, wpf is of any relevance when you can turn and hit with any part of your weapon.
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: BerG on March 21, 2013, 09:20:36 am
Game is hard. I tried to get my friend involve and he couldn't survive a single fight, because that was too hard for him. The game is very intolerant to newbies.
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Malaclypse on March 21, 2013, 09:40:45 am
Quote from: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 07:47:33 am
The WPF drop is so significant that you are literally hitting at half speed

This is true to a point, but isn't the whole story. It may be true in that, assuming the ABSOLUTE heaviest gear (27.9 body, 4 helmet, 3.8 boots, 2 gloves) in all categories you will go down from 111 base no WM level 30 to 66 wpf; you will have a little more than half of your written proficiency and suffer the additional malus to to speed and damage, but these, and especially speed, are minor losses. 100 wpf will increase your weapon speed by like 1-2% if I'm not mistaken, so you're missing out on like, .5-1% additional speed- extremely minor, your base weapon speed has basically all of the impact on your swings.

Quote from: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 07:47:33 am
As a guy who moves very slow myself, trust me, it is balanced.

The problem here is that heavy armor becomes most overpowered when coupled with Strength builds (for the sake of argument, 27/12 or greater) who already are quite to extremely slow with or without the armor, and are thus affected by the penalty to movement speed much, much less harshly than someone with higher agility/athletics wearing the same armor while at the same time gaining a greater boon from its use due to higher health values with or without Ironflesh. Basically, if you're playing a low agility/athletics character, you may as well wear heavy armor if you're not going to wear a gear set under the threshold at which it begins affecting movement.

And yes, charge damage was finally adjusted some and an anti-cav siege item was added, they were both a long time coming like a lot of the adjustments to items we're seeing occur.
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: oprah_winfrey on March 21, 2013, 02:17:00 pm
Quote from: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 07:47:33 am
As a guy who moves very slow myself, trust me, it is balanced. Yes, you perform better in massive fights but the biggest problem is that when you enter a fight you are committed to it. If it goes to hell you can't just bail and wait for reinforcements. It is one of those tradeoffs.

Aren't you 3X/3? You would be slow if you were naked.
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: LordLargos on March 21, 2013, 03:47:07 pm
Games are hard all you do is sequentially left and right click while pressing 4 other keys with the other hand.
Hell, some people only press s instead all 4.
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Wiltzu on March 21, 2013, 03:51:08 pm
Quote from: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 05:34:48 am
How about we just shut the fuck up about what is hard and let everyone play whatever he enjoys?

The only thing I agree on.
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 04:03:48 pm
Quote from: Wiltzu on March 21, 2013, 03:51:08 pm
The only thing I agree on.

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Quote from: oprah_winfrey on March 21, 2013, 02:17:00 pm
Aren't you 3X/3? You would be slow if you were naked.

Obviously. Still, wearing heavier armor than what I wear already (Heavy kuyak) would completely murder my WPF. Most melee players have at least 2-3 points in weapon mastery but I have only 1, thus wearing plate is usually disadvantageous. Mid-to-heavy armour, I would argue, is more OP than simply Milanese plate.

But anyway, that is a discussion for another thread. My bad for sidetracking this conversation. Let's go back to the original subject.
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: karasu on March 21, 2013, 04:05:33 pm
forums are hard

all they do is qq and ragepost in here
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Joker86 on March 21, 2013, 04:08:49 pm
My dick is hard.

All it does is slipping into my fist and out again.
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on March 21, 2013, 04:13:14 pm
Quote from: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 04:03:48 pm
Obviously. Still, wearing heavier armor than what I wear already (Heavy kuyak) would completely murder my WPF. Most melee players have at least 2-3 points in weapon mastery but I have only 1, thus wearing plate is usually disadvantageous. Mid-to-heavy armour, I would argue, is more OP than simply Milanese plate.

Well, to be fair, I did 36/3 for a few gens with a glaive and my main setup was Heavy Kuyak or heavier, and I had no WM. I had no problem double-swinging on people quite often, it's really not that big of a disadvantage. WPF does a lot less then you'd think. But then again, glaive. GG
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Laufknoten on March 21, 2013, 04:34:25 pm
Quote from: TheAppleSauceMan on March 21, 2013, 04:13:14 pm
Well, to be fair, I did 36/3 for a few gens with a glaive and my main setup was Heavy Kuyak or heavier, and I had no WM. I had no problem double-swinging on people quite often, it's really not that big of a disadvantage. WPF does a lot less then you'd think. But then again, glaive. GG
Really can't wait for the day the devs really fuck up those high str abominations. The tears would be delicious.
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Then again I think this will never happen as the 2h/pole str stacking lobby is big and it would lead to quite some QQ. But yeah, the WM overhaul is long long overdue...
Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: darmaster on March 21, 2013, 10:59:46 pm
Quote from: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 05:34:48 am


bla bla bla bla


How about we just shut the fuck up about what is hard and let everyone play whatever he enjoys?


Title: Re: Game is hard
Post by: Dach on March 22, 2013, 12:39:05 am
Quote from: Arathian on March 21, 2013, 05:34:48 am
How about we just shut the fuck up about what is hard and let everyone play whatever he enjoys?

Would have been fine 2 years ago... now it's too late!  :P