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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Punisher on May 01, 2011, 11:20:01 am
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Let's first take a look at the new stats:
Greatsword
difficulty: 13
speed rating: 93
thrust damage: 25 pierce
swing damage: 37 cut
weapon length: 120
German Greatsword
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 92
thrust damage: 25 pierce
swing damage: 38 cut
weapon length: 123
And let's compare with their "slashing" counterparts
Sword of War
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 93
thrust damage: 23 pierce
swing damage: 40 cut
weapon length: 121
Danish Greatsword
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 92
shield width: 124
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 40 cut
weapon length: 124
As you can see, Great Sword/German Greatsword only have +1 pierce, while having -3/-2 cut damage. Considering that lolstabbing is no longer a problem, there is simply no reason to use Great Sword/German Greatsword anymore over their Sword of War/Danish Greatsword counterparts (and I'm not even mentioning the Claymore that is now by far the best 2H and will become as popular as the German was once people figure it out). So, if you want these 2 weapons to be even remotely useful, I think they should get +1 pierce damage. I realise how hated both are, but 26p would hardly be a problem with the new animation and considering the 30p they had before it's still a big nerf and 2H would still have the lowest pierce damage from all weapon classes.
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Lul
Pointless thread, none of the devs responsible for gamebalance know how to play with 2h. In fact, I don't think they know anything about gamebalance in general but that's another thing. The high-end 2h swords were balanced before (Danish, German and Flamberge all had their advantages). Best thing would've been to buff the other swords (Claymore, Sword of War, etc).
But nooo, let's nerf random weapons and throw the balance to hell! Only to create a new OP weapon (claymore? Not sure I haven't played cRPG in a while)
The only thing you could do to fuck over 2h even more (stat nerf, animation nerf) would be to make archers godly again.. wait a minute... well at least they didn't give the 2hs only advantage over polearms to polearms, spinthrusting - errr....
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Lolstab is nerfed, I am happy.
Cav is nerfed outa nowhere, I'm not happy.
Flamberge is nerfed outa nowhere, I'm not happy.
Seeing Bjord rage, priceless.
Overall: patch nerfed/buffed some classes unnecessarily, only good thing was ct removal, lolstab nerf and other tweaks.
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How did lolstab get nerfed, anyways? What's different in the animation?
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How did lolstab get nerfed, anyways? What's different in the animation?
Slightly lower damage, speed is finally normal. Animation is the same.
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Slightly lower damage, speed is finally normal. Animation is the same.
I lost 7 thrust damage, is that slightly? That's huge.
Normal? In comparison to polearm thrust animation, it's almost twice as slow.
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you probably lost 5 because of the sword nerf and 2 because of heirloom nerf which affected all the weapons, not just your precious lolstab
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you probably lost 5 because of the sword nerf and 2 because of heirloom nerf which affected all the weapons, not just your precious lolstab
This.
Besides, 2handed swords are meant for cutting, not dealing the most damage at stabbing. Thats what polearms are for.
And I saw enough of you lolstabbers out there, you aren't as slow as you are pretending you are on this forum.
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you probably lost 5 because of the sword nerf and 2 because of heirloom nerf which affected all the weapons, not just your precious lolstab
5 is still alot.
This.
Besides, 2handed swords are meant for cutting, not dealing the most damage at stabbing. Thats what polearms are for.
And I saw enough of you lolstabbers out there, you aren't as slow as you are pretending you are on this forum.
If 2-hand swords are meant for cutting, why do we have such small damage then, compared to polearms?
Are you kidding me? Go and try a 2 hander yourself, it's slow as hell.
You just wait till people find out that the 2-thrust gets block stun when they thrust. As in when I thrust someone I get stunned and my opponent is free to slash me without me being able to block.
2-hand needs a fix, badly.
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You are implying that you want the old speed back? You gotta be kidding me.
You were doing more than fine ingame Phyrex, I saw you. And yes I have used 2handers, I got every single class covered on my alts. I even picked up a 2hander yesterday on my Horse Archer (0 wpf in 2handed) and his stab was speedy enough.
And your damage? Fine by me, I have no complains, cutting is still pretty much the same, stabbing was way too powerful and nerfed accordingly.
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C'mon, it's not even dueling weapon, it's formation weapon.
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You just wait till people find out that the 2-thrust gets block stun when they thrust. As in when I thrust someone I get stunned and my opponent is free to slash me without me being able to block.
Huh... Didn't believe it until I tried to block Phyrex after him blocking my stab. Was impossible :|
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5 is still alot.
Agreed, will be 4 next time items update.
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Agreed, will be 4 next time items update.
Seems reasonable.
Speed must stay the same however.
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You are implying that you want the old speed back? You gotta be kidding me.
You were doing more than fine ingame Phyrex, I saw you. And yes I have used 2handers, I got every single class covered on my alts. I even picked up a 2hander yesterday on my Horse Archer (0 wpf in 2handed) and his stab was speedy enough.
And your damage? Fine by me, I have no complains, cutting is still pretty much the same, stabbing was way too powerful and nerfed accordingly.
No, not the old speed, equivelent speed of the polearm is fine. But more importantly, the block thrust stun needs to get fixed, as in, the thrust needs to be faster.
C'mon, it's not even dueling weapon, it's formation weapon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_school_of_swordsmanship
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Hopefully noone will notice that the Claymore is now rather good compared to the other high end ones.
I have one from pre-patch because we'll I'm Scottish so kinda had to get one. Yes I'm happy it didn't get made weaker but now if it does really turn out to be the best or one of the best and becomes used by many then I'm already worrying about it getting torn down next patch.
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You just wait till people find out that the 2-thrust gets block stun when they thrust. As in when I thrust someone I get stunned and my opponent is free to slash me without me being able to block.
Oh my fucking god, this. You have got to be kidding me? Someone can block my thrust then if they counter attack with good enough timing, they'll hit me before I can pull up my block? I'm not a fucking scrub, I know when someone chambers me. Thrusts aren't usable in duels with top tier duelists, and in the battle server people just get lucky on timing sometimes which is more than enough for them to hit you while you're stuck trying to recover from a blocked thrust. I don't give a shit about the damage, I can deal with that, I can live with having to hit someone once more to kill them. But just cause someone managed to block one of my attacks once, doesn't mean they should be able to get a free attack in.
I really like a lot of the changes you guys did, but there are some blatantly flawed things right now, this is probably the largest of them. I may not agree with thrusts being OP, but I could live with a nerf, just as long as it doesn't give my opponent an advantage when I use the thing.
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Thrusts aren't usable in duels with top tier duelists
DERP
..herp
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Hopefully noone will notice that the Claymore is now rather good compared to the other high end ones.
I have one from pre-patch because we'll I'm Scottish so kinda had to get one. Yes I'm happy it didn't get made weaker but now if it does really turn out to be the best or one of the best and becomes used by many then I'm already worrying about it getting torn down next patch.
Claymore is currently the best 2H, I think it needs it's speed reduced to 91 to be comparable with the Nodachi, that would at least give some variation and the Nodachi won't be completely useless. With it's current stats it will just become as popular as the German was, once people figure it out.
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Oh my fucking god, this. You have got to be kidding me? Someone can block my thrust then if they counter attack with good enough timing, they'll hit me before I can pull up my block? I'm not a fucking scrub, I know when someone chambers me. Thrusts aren't usable in duels with top tier duelists, and in the battle server people just get lucky on timing sometimes which is more than enough for them to hit you while you're stuck trying to recover from a blocked thrust. I don't give a shit about the damage, I can deal with that, I can live with having to hit someone once more to kill them. But just cause someone managed to block one of my attacks once, doesn't mean they should be able to get a free attack in.
I really like a lot of the changes you guys did, but there are some blatantly flawed things right now, this is probably the largest of them. I may not agree with thrusts being OP, but I could live with a nerf, just as long as it doesn't give my opponent an advantage when I use the thing.
I haven't noticed the thrust-getting-blocked=stun with anything except pikes/spear-shield-thrusts. My 2h thrusts certainly don't have the stun effect when they're blocked.....
so....
wut are you two talking about?
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I haven't noticed the thrust-getting-blocked=stun with anything except pikes/spear-shield-thrusts. My 2h thrusts certainly don't have the stun effect when they're blocked.....
so....
wut are you two talking about?
I explained it fairly well. You might need to actually test it in the duel server first so that once you really notice it, you know what you're looking for. Its happened to me several times since patch, I know without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, that it exists. Just have someone with good timing block your thrust, then overhead you.
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it was totally OP im glad it was nerfed.