Heavy glance...
Dude y play as lancer y have no right to call any class easy mod. :mrgreen:I he play with heavy lance he can call ezzemode whatever he wants
shielders has always been the most versatile class,but it has its weaknesses as all other classes.I think no newsNo shielders are OP. So as every class other than 2handers.
No shielders are OP. So as every class other than 2handers.
Also when they holding a shield and like 5 players hitting on shield - they shod start receiving damage. OP backpedaling class with no penalties.
Shielders don't have any penalties. They moving fast arm with shield, like they wearing watch on they hand (and lots of shields weight is from 7 to 12,5 kg !!!). Rising and lowering shield to make a strike need to be much solver. Also when they holding a shield and like 5 players hitting on shield - they shod start receiving damage. OP backpedaling class with no penalties.Str crutching, heavily armored 2h user spotted.
No worries, 2h still ez-mode.
Str crutching, heavily armored 2h user spotted.
That axe on your back, is designed to break shields if you don't know.
Lies :mrgreen:Is this were I mention that you are trying to buy my +3 churburg armour?
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Shielders don't have any penalties. They moving fast arm with shield, like they wearing watch on they hand (and lots of shields weight is from 7 to 12,5 kg !!!). Rising and lowering shield to make a strike need to be much solver. Also when they holding a shield and like 5 players hitting on shield - they shod start receiving damage. OP backpedaling class with no penalties.Dude, are you fucking retarded? Also, lol at the last part, aren't you like a 2h and stuff? I don't think you should be calling anyone else an OP backpedaling class.
Dude, are you fucking retarded?
down voting my post about shielders, what to say ...childish.
Shielders don't have any penalties. They moving fast arm with shield, like they wearing watch on they hand (and lots of shields weight is from 7 to 12,5 kg !!!). Rising and lowering shield to make a strike need to be much solver. Also when they holding a shield and like 5 players hitting on shield - they shod start receiving damage. OP backpedaling class with no penalties.
Shielders don't have any penalties. They moving fast arm with shield, like they wearing watch on they hand (and lots of shields weight is from 7 to 12,5 kg !!!). Rising and lowering shield to make a strike need to be much solver. Also when they holding a shield and like 5 players hitting on shield - they shod start receiving damage. OP backpedaling class with no penalties.Bro do you even school?
Translation:"OMG 1h is acctually somewhat competitive against 2h and glaive spamming. IT IZ OP Y U NERF NOWAAAAAA!!!!!!"I remember fighting against GTX or some other 2h prick and two other guys. After I hit him like 3 times (which took him perhaps 30% hp...) the guy suddenly started backpedaling out of my reach and moments later something like "oh you f'cking spam noob" appeared in the chat. It was funny because I was using the shashka which is/was one of the slowest 1h weapons...
Morons -.-.........
And what a big suprise that a dedicated 2hspammer like Sagar starts QQing about other classes being OP.
sword and board, two handers, and poles are pretty balanced IMO.
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Actually I think you guys are way too over sensitive with people with differing opinions. Better blast him with downvotes to show how wrong he is.
I see how many down voting my post about shielders, what to say ...childish.I get more kills by strength-stacking a 2h build and using the greatsword like a miniature pike than I ever get with my swash builds. I do better in duel with that setup too.
Truth about OP shielders hurting that much? Or shielders are afraid of nerfing? We'll see what the future will bring.
I get more kills by strength-stacking a 2h build and using the greatsword like a miniature pike than I ever get with my swash builds. I do better in duel with that setup too.Swashbuckling in clusterfucks is far superior then 2h in clusterfuck, From my experience.
So who here would be interested in me taking a screenshot at the end of EVERY battle map I play from now on, and see who is in the top 5 for each team?
After three years of this silliness, I am so tempted...
So you respond by being "overly sensitive" to people with differing opinions by saying they are "blasting" someone due to a mere downvote?
So who here would be interested in me taking a screenshot at the end of EVERY battle map I play from now on, and see who is in the top 5 for each team?
After three years of this silliness, I am so tempted...
I´m playing my lvl 30 18/18 1h shield alt at the moment and it is more effective than my lvl 33 main 2h spammer.
I make more points, survive longer and can slaughter archer folks easily. It definitily does not need any kind of a buff. It´s fine as it is.
I´m even thinking about respeccing my main to 1h shield once I reach lvl 34, because it´s so much more effective on battle mode.
youre implying that 2h heroes rule the servers still i believe.
youre implying that 2h heroes rule the servers still i believe.
They do.
why should 2h/polearm users be equal with shielders in terms of damage and kills? you get the easiest valor by being a shileder or cav, you are here to soak up dmg not deal one. 2H WILL ALLWAYS BE THE CLASS THAT GETS THE MOST KILLS BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR ROLE!!! get it right fellas and start playing your roles on the battlefield, equaling 2h/1h and arcehrs makes no sense. you can't play defensivley with 2h you cant make a shieldwall and protect your teammates, you can only slay, why are you all so jelly ffs.
lawl, and in everything but strat shieldwalls are pretty useless.
do you actually believe that 2h is an easier class to play and master?
Yes, most noobs can do much better with 2h than 1h, even though they can't block, and most somewhat bellow average players can perform much better with 2h, average players can perform much better with 2h, good players can perform much better with 2h. Also note that I'm talking 2h and not poles, 2h are pretty superior to polearms, 1h is still the weakest melee class, but poles aren't near 2h. (now go ahead and whine about op glaives who can kick you when you come close and outreach your sideswings and nearly match your stab, the only reason you have issues with glaives is becaused you're used to outreaching everything and therefore not capable of comprehending the idea of staying inside your weapons reach and his weapons reach without just facehuggin'.
I'm really tired to elaborate , so i'll make it short, here's my opinion :Good analysis, but let me add two things:
- shielders have the survivability in clusterfucks and protection against multiple opponents/ranged. In exchange they get teamhit the most , have to take the beating in the front lines and have overall less damage output as well as mobility, not to mention some of the most annoying problems that come from animations.
- two handers are the class that specializes in either mobility or taking punishment (both is possible via min-maxing) depending on the build and also delivering the most amount of damage in the shortest amount of time. Superior animations also are very helpful for dueling AND for crowd fights too.
- polearms have the widest variety of equipment to choose from (both cav and infantry specialized), good damage output and some of the most versatile weapons out there (poleaxe), however their animations are still sub-par compared to 2h, but not that much.
To sum it up, i think it's pretty good as it is atm.
To sum it up, i think it's pretty good as it is atm.Just sayin', but 1h no shield get none of the 1h bonuses besides sexy animations.
do you actually believe that 2h is an easier class to play and master?
People doing well with a class doesn't represent its strength or OPness. It depends on what inputs are required from the player, and how safe the player can be while dealing damage. Risk vs reward etc. Ranged should not be ever anywhere near top because of their relative safety from which they can deal damage. Similar with shielders (but not as bad as ranged)
Just sayin', but 1h no shield get none of the 1h bonuses besides sexy animations.
yeah 1h no shield is what really needs love, but it is hard to buff that without overbuffing shielders. I still think improving the animations or adding a damage or two to the majority of 1h weapons would help.
One handers already have the best animations...
If you evaluate the "quality" of an animation by the size of its sweetspot and reach bonus, 2h has equal or superior animations for every attack direction.
All 1h has going for it over 2h is that left swing tends to hit the head, but 2h sideswings have the "crouch" feature with is a nice defense bonus (and counter to the 1h left swing, since they duck under it by attacking). 1h right swing glances during the first 40% of the animation and has a long delay and 1h thrust has a whole litany of problems. Overhead is about the same for all three weapon types, except 2h gets a nice reach bonus.
If you evaluate the "quality" of an animation by the size of its sweetspot and reach bonus, 2h has equal or superior animations for every attack direction.
All 1h has going for it over 2h is that left swing tends to hit the head, but 2h sideswings have the "crouch" feature with is a nice defense bonus (and counter to the 1h left swing, since they duck under it by attacking). 1h right swing glances during the first 40% of the animation and has a long delay and 1h thrust has a whole litany of problems. Overhead is about the same for all three weapon types, except 2h gets a nice reach bonus.
The 1hand right swing is one of the best animations in the game (pro secrets)It's one of the best animations in the game, I agree, it's the only 1h animation that's worth a damn though imo (leftswing is only really use
The 1hand right swing is one of the best animations in the game (pro secrets)
If you evaluate the "quality" of an animation by the size of its sweetspot and reach bonus, 2h has equal or superior animations for every attack direction.
All 1h has going for it over 2h is that left swing tends to hit the head, but 2h sideswings have the "crouch" feature with is a nice defense bonus (and counter to the 1h left swing, since they duck under it by attacking). 1h right swing glances during the first 40% of the animation and has a long delay and 1h thrust has a whole litany of problems. Overhead is about the same for all three weapon types, except 2h gets a nice reach bonus.
As far as animations go, I feel like 1h actually has a pretty good set. Once the turning rate tweaks (finally) make their way to NA, they will be pretty much perfect.Poles got the worst animations and got the best stats to compensate, 2h got the best animations and got the second best stats to compensate, 1h got the second best animations and got the worst stats 'cause lol.
At the very least, I certainly like 1h animations more than polearm animations.
The 1h right swing is the reason any good player will facehug + circleyoume toyourmy right while hiltslashing and basically not risk anything while doing it.
Poles got the worst animations and got the best stats to compensate, 2h got the best animations and got the second best stats to compensate, 1h got the second best animations and got the worst stats 'cause lol.
Just sayin', but 1h no shield get none of the 1h bonuses besides sexy animations.Lies, 1h, 1h/2h and 2h wielded weapons all have a different modifier for how much the weight of a carried weapon decreases your movement speed. 1h has the best modifier, which added to the fact that the weapons are mostly very light anyway, makes you have a lot more movement speed. Not top speed as much as strafe speed, which is extremely important and its effect should not be underestimated. 1h no shield is a class for the exquisite anyway, so it does not need a buff. Besides, on the duel and siege servers a 1h no shield is far from underpowered.
Lies, 1h, 1h/2h and 2h wielded weapons all have a different modifier for how much the weight of a carried weapon decreases your movement speed. 1h has the best modifier, which added to the fact that the weapons are mostly very light anyway, makes you have a lot more movement speed. Not top speed as much as strafe speed, which is extremely important and its effect should not be underestimated. 1h no shield is a class for the exquisite anyway, so it does not need a buff. Besides, on the duel and siege servers a 1h no shield is far from underpowered.You basically rq'd 1h no shield, just saying.
On topic:
There is a lot of people here that just need to learn to play. 1h has amazing animations, suited like no other to fuck up someone quickly in a 1 vs 1, while also having extremely good reach. There are so much shielders I see daily which only scratch the surface of the tricks and possibilities 1h has to offer, people get lazy from having a shield. The right swing is amazingly long and does not glance easily at all. Yes, it is slow, but if you use it with proper footwork that only increases its amazing reach. The overhead is extremely fast and confusing, cause it resembles the leftswing. The leftswing is extremely fast, can hit very early in the animation and hits up high. Stab used to be amazing, I am curious how the overhead and stab fare now on EU_1.
I recommend any of the people here who claims that 1h has bad animations, to go 1h without a shield for a while and really think about what kind of tricks you can come up with.
I don't know if the term 'shielders' included hoplites, but I agree. Hoplites are the strongest battle class. Amazing damage output, counters cav and ranged. If played properly it does decently in a 1 vs 1. Not a single class allows me to affect the chances of victory of my team like hoplite does.
The 1hand right swing is one of the best animations in the game (pro secrets)
You basically rq'd 1h no shield, just saying.What? I leveled a 1h no shield to almost level 33, forgive me for wanting to play something different. Sure, 1h no shield is not the strongest class in battle, which is by far my favourite game mode, but you can't seriously expect or want it to be. I got tired of playing a class that was hard to play in my preferred game mode and using my teamplay focused style.
Right swing hater here. I would overhead any day of the week before right swing. It's way too slow. 1h Overhead is secretly one of the best.
One Handed Right Swing is good for battles, but in a duel even with a feint it telegraphs itself too much and allows an uncomfortably long amount of time for the opponent to block it. It is rather lovely though for opportunistic attacks in battle.
Really? because I think its most useful in duels.I guess to each their own, I just either prefer feinting between the left/overheads and ending up with either/or, or going for a right swing then changing into a stab, every time I've feinted into a right swing it never seems to work for me unless I let them fall into a rhythm and they are as bad as me :lol:
What? I leveled a 1h no shield to almost level 33, forgive me for wanting to play something different. Sure, 1h no shield is not the strongest class in battle, which is by far my favourite game mode, but you can't seriously expect or want it to be. I got tired of playing a class that was hard to play in my preferred game mode and using my teamplay focused style.Yeah, sorry, now that I'm thinking of it I'm pretty sure it's Bjord I'm thinking of. Sorry, but tbh you guys are similar in a lot of ways.
Besides, I am only saying that 1h animations are awesome and that 1h no shield does actually have an advantage mechanic wise compared to 1h/shield and 2h. I am not saying the class is OP, only that it isn't notably UP. No need for the ad hominem.
I guess to each their own, I just either prefer feinting between the left/overheads and ending up with either/or, or going for a right swing then changing into a stab, every time I've feinted into a right swing it never seems to work for me unless I let them fall into a rhythm and they are as bad as me :lol:
Yeah, sorry, now that I'm thinking of it I'm pretty sure it's Bjord I'm thinking of. Sorry, but tbh you guys are similar in a lot of ways.
If we think about 1h or maybe even 2h cavalry, we find the most op class today. Haters gonna hate for me saying that but it is what it is. Damage reduction to those weapons on horseback would do the trick.
Yeah, sorry, now that I'm thinking of it I'm pretty sure it's Bjord I'm thinking of. Sorry, but tbh you guys are similar in a lot of ways.visitors can't see pics , please register or login
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginWas that a too obvious try at pissing someone off or weren't you a merc and therefore you didn't feel like taking it seriously?
If we think about 1h or maybe even 2h cavalry, we find the most op class today. Haters gonna hate for me saying that but it is what it is. Damage reduction to those weapons on horseback would do the trick.
I´m playing my lvl 30 18/18 1h shield alt at the moment and it is more effective than my lvl 33 main 2h spammer.
I make more points, survive longer and can slaughter archer folks easily. It definitily does not need any kind of a buff. It´s fine as it is.
I´m even thinking about respeccing my main to 1h shield once I reach lvl 34, because it´s so much more effective on battle mode.
I think right swing is good, but definitely situational. I use all my swings quite a bit, including right swing. I find myself regretting using right swing all the time, while getting more utility out of the others. That is why I 'hate' the right swing.
thats cause you use a steel pick and the right swing still has no range on a steel pick.
You basically rq'd 1h no shield, just saying.Bjord played 1h no shield, he didn't suck hard, he rather topped the scoreboards with it.
EDIT: Wait, on second thought I'm pretty sure it's Bjord (who sucked hard at it) or Duke (who just sucks hard) who GTX it.
What?Oops. :oops: You're right. I was referring to siege gamemode. People just tend to spam more and get more kills, mainly 2h/pole are better at it.
Bjord played 1h no shield, he didn't suck hard, he rather topped the scoreboards with it.
shielder the strongest class, that made me laugh
game is infantry based basically 90% now, best weapon for infantry fight is obviously the longspear, take some tincan with it, = strongest class
best target switching / damage, gives cavalry protection, tincan protects against arrows, since turnrate nerf you can facestab with it
Only reason it's the strongest class is because armour is so insanely freakin huge in crpg, any class that can feasibly take more armour and get away with it whilst still remaining effective has an instant advantage
I think he means those shilder, which i see yesterday on servers with crossbow,1h sword,steel shild in heavy armor.
Btw it is a easy class...they r faster...indestructible shilds...only one button to block :mrgreen:...can fight better in tight spaces(important 4 siege players) and the damage of this 1-hander is near by 2-handers(is this english correctly?)
Ofc..there r 10% which can block without shild...but look how manny ppl play this class?
This should be the answer enough^^
We can se this by the downvotes :mrgreen:
So now show me your downvotes to see that I am right :mrgreen:
That is my personal opinion and i'v got no problem with those ballance...i play a 2h...atm and it is a other same thing :wink:
I think this is was this guy means...so calm down and does not vote him down.
Nobody has deserves this...thx
shield is easymode as fuck, way moreso than cav.
therefore i am going shield next gen
Yes Zlisch, I don't know where you got that from.. :shock: besides, do you ever play on EU1?Not really, but every time I saw him on any server with that build he didn't perform very well.
shield is easymode as fuck, way moreso than cav.
therefore i am going shield next gen
Coming from a courser gank cav that when dismounted uses a glaive and doesn't block at all. lol
the point of this topic.
was to point out that shielders are the strongest class atm. not op. y'all are dramaqueens -.-
was to point out that shielders are the strongest class atm. not op. y'all are dramaqueens -.-
Bjord played 1h no shield, he didn't suck hard, he rather topped the scoreboards with it.
I dare some of the 2h/pole QQers here to go 1h/shield. You think it is so easy and OP, but I have seen a lot of 2h heroes (real good players too) try it, and get very mediocre scores compared to what they got before.
I dare some of the 2h/pole QQers here to go 1h/shield. You think it is so easy and OP, but I have seen a lot of 2h heroes (real good players too) try it, and get very mediocre scores compared to what they got before.
You can not expect someone who have spent 2k hours as a 2her to perform equally good with new class.I think it's downright silly that somebody would sink 2000 hours into a single melee class, while barely touching the other two. That's the sort of thing that leads to all the single-class lobbying we have.
I think it's downright silly that somebody would sink 2000 hours into a single melee class, while barely touching the other two. That's the sort of thing that leads to all the single-class lobbying we have.
Stop bringing swords, bring axes or mauls.
Then you just die to the people who brought swords...
Yeah i planned for a long time to get lvl35 as a 2hander and be a killing machine(spammer) But i have shelved that plan, i think i will aim for enjoyment and variety instead!
If only 2h swords didn't take up 4 slots....Then 2h-ers could bring an axe/morningstar/mallet/fauchard/shield to handle shielders or cav or archers. Shielders figured out a long time ago how to bring multiple tools for multiple jobs, but some 2h-ers must be so attached to their lightsabers, they couldn't imagine ever sheathing it.
sword and board, two handers, and poles are pretty balanced IMO.
I think people stacked up polearms because they finally realised it was the only way to counter the powerful cavalry.Archers are dangerous too.
I think people stacked up polearms because they finally realised it was the only way to counter the powerful cavalry.PT 8 and MW throwing axes or jarids.
People are saying shielders are not a rambo class but myself and Matey when he was a shielder almost always played it like it was.
People are saying shielders are not a rambo class but myself and Matey when he was a shielder almost always played it like it was.
ive gone back to shielder... and oh am i ever hating it so far. i keep trying to rambo at a lower level and i dont have the athletics or shield skill to make it work... then theres the mauls and cav and ughhhhh.. i dunno i can even make it to 30!
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ehh never cared for it much. I kinda miss my grosse messer but i have a broad one handed battle axe that does the trick and i love my long espada despite how shitty its damage is.
Get a side sword.Get a good mace
i thought about loomin a side sword or a paramerion... but i have two triple loomed 1 handers and i borrowed a +3 italian sword from the armoury to play with, so i loomed armour instead... oddly enough I hate the italian sword.
so what im getting from this thread is this
2handers saying SHIELDING IS EZ MODE OP
Shielders saying 2H IS EZ MODE OP
People saying that every class other than their main is easy? IMPOSSIBLE!My main is 27/12 polearm build and I think it's way too easy. Am I just weird? :?
CRPG players have too much integrity for such claims. Trufactstm
Obviously, it's easier to just go bitch on the forums then l2p.
Then clearly l2p isn't the issue :wink:
most of the people posting here play this mod for 2+ years so yeah pretty much everybody can play nowdays.
YOU COMMENT IZ INVALID!!! :mrgreen: