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Title: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: oprah_winfrey on March 05, 2013, 08:06:12 pm
Please tell me how a link to chadz shortening the length of auctions on stat respecs and heirloom respecs were you lose a loom level is the same as free respecs for everyone?

Or maybe you could tell me how something that over half of the people want is useless?
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 05, 2013, 08:08:05 pm
Closing that thread was silly.
Better close this one before anyone notices a thread was closed.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: Rhygar666 on March 05, 2013, 08:09:22 pm
it never happened before, after all nerfs etc, so why should they do it now?  :lol:
not for free, be happy that he increases the respecc auction every 3 days, buy that and be happy, same as blacksmith, thats the best that you can expect.
i for one would be dissapointed if theyd allow a respecc, loom rechange now.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: Smoothrich on March 05, 2013, 08:10:22 pm
If you recall I had to make about 4-5 "WORST IN NA" threads because him or someone similar kept moving them to Spam for being "na community related" until I was muted for 2+ weeks.  I demand separate but equal community boards for the North American players.  Canary can stay in EU's diplomacy board.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: wayyyyyne on March 05, 2013, 08:11:21 pm
Son of Odin hates freedom, everyone knows that
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on March 05, 2013, 08:13:02 pm
QQ
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: Falka on March 05, 2013, 08:13:08 pm
be happy that he increases the respecc auction every 3 days,

For now chadz said it, now he has to put word into actions and he has "the lazy" title not without a reason I guess :wink:
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: oprah_winfrey on March 05, 2013, 08:13:35 pm
it never happened before, after all nerfs etc, so why should they do it now?  :lol:
not for free, be happy that he increases the respecc auction every 3 days, buy that and be happy, same as blacksmith, thats the best that you can expect.
i for one would be dissapointed if theyd allow a respecc, loom rechange now.

First of all, that isn't true. There has been a free respec before. I also can't think of a patch since that one were so many items were changed, especially things regarding the slot system. That is also besides the point, since threads shouldn't be locked or called useless because you don't agree with the idea.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 05, 2013, 08:14:41 pm
*global moderator and EU admin (I'm not global admin)
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: Miwiw on March 05, 2013, 08:15:16 pm
Please tell me how a link to chadz shortening the length of auctions on stat respecs and heirloom respecs were you lose a loom level is the same as free respecs for everyone?

Or maybe you could tell me how something that over half of the people want is useless?

The link makes sense because if you want a respec, there are 2 ways: 1) use 50% of your XP, 2) buy a respec for gold. If that time is gonna be shorten the price will sink slowly. Maybe its only some hundred k in some weeks instead of 2kk?

Yes, there are things being very useless, even if "over half of the people" want it. Half of the people also want archers to be shit. They already call them shit, but they slowly become shit. Not that they are shit now, but thats how some archers already feel, I bet. 10 weight for their arrows, the thing they get is 0 slot weapons instead? That's a shit trade.. For them, but not for the other half of the people maybe?

Free respecs are shit. Simple thing. Not much was changed anyway.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: oprah_winfrey on March 05, 2013, 08:25:39 pm
Yes, there are things being very useless, even if "over half of the people" want it. Half of the people also want archers to be shit. They already call them shit, but they slowly become shit. Not that they are shit now, but thats how some archers already feel, I bet. 10 weight for their arrows, the thing they get is 0 slot weapons instead? That's a shit trade.. For them, but not for the other half of the people maybe?

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Funny you would say that, because free respecs would fix those archers builds.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 05, 2013, 08:27:52 pm
The link makes sense because if you want a respec, there are 2 ways: 1) use 50% of your XP, 2) buy a respec for gold. If that time is gonna be shorten the price will sink slowly. Maybe its only some hundred k in some weeks instead of 2kk?
And that justifies Odin locking the old thread how?
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 05, 2013, 08:29:42 pm
And that justifies Odin locking the old thread how?
I moved it to more appropriate forum and unlocked it.

Happy now everyone? Go rage your brains out, thx.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: Miwiw on March 05, 2013, 08:31:12 pm
And that justifies Odin locking the old thread how?

I didn't claim that.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global admin.
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on March 05, 2013, 08:42:10 pm
And that justifies Odin locking the old thread how?

HE IS MODERATOR ON A GLOBAL LEVEL BE GLAD HE DIDNT DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT AND STEAL YOUR GF YOLO QQERS
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: Kryser on March 05, 2013, 08:47:16 pm
Old respecs and loom redo's were done with "CHOPPING" your gen by a percentage, ask me or goretooth how that felt when that was implemented.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 05, 2013, 08:48:53 pm
He probably closed it because they usually close topics that are moot points. They've never, ever, allowed respecs, and they've screwed up builds far worse then now what with previous patches like when the slot system was first introduced or PD and PT required WPF suddenly or when athletics lowered WPF or when riding and shield requirements changed.


*shrugs*


The dev's stated a lot of times why they are against Respecs, I doubt it will ever change.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: oprah_winfrey on March 05, 2013, 08:54:17 pm
He probably closed it because they usually close topics that are moot points. They've never, ever, allowed respecs, and they've screwed up builds far worse then now what with previous patches like when the slot system was first introduced or PD and PT required WPF suddenly or when athletics lowered WPF or when riding and shield requirements changed.

Wasn't the athletics lowering wpf only in the game for like two days?

If I recall correctly, riding requirements changed the same time as the slot system, which is funny you would bring that up, because there was a stats/loom respec.

*shrugs*

chadz also mentioned a wpf respec in the august patch, so its not like they are completely off limits.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: Tibe on March 05, 2013, 08:54:55 pm
Get a life Oprah....really...
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: Rhekimos on March 05, 2013, 09:02:04 pm
If I recall correctly, riding requirements changed the same time as the slot system, which is funny you would bring that up, because there was a stats/loom respec.

It wasn't a free respec. Since there was a big level progression rework, everyone lost a ton of levels. And the loom respec was a message saying that "The evil Fasader has stolen your heirlooms, but you managed to save something." and you regained 1/3 of your loompoints for reassigning. It was all far from free.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on March 05, 2013, 09:04:44 pm
If I recall correctly, riding requirements changed the same time as the slot system, which is funny you would bring that up, because there was a stats/loom respec.

When they changed riding requirements on multiple horses (completely ruining builds of MANY people) there was no respec. And I could list oh so many other cases.
Just be happy chadz is being cool enough to increase the amount of respec auctions, that's a pretty fuckin' sweet deal. Plus with them happening that much more often, they'll only get that much cheaper.

TLDR; QQ ain't gonna change shit, never did before, won't now.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: Joker86 on March 05, 2013, 09:05:21 pm
The dev's stated a lot of times why they are against Respecs, I doubt it will ever change.

What was the reasoning, percisely? I am really curious to learn why they enjoy making charakter progression a gamble - either your build will get screwed up after investing a lot of time and you will lose even more time or a lot of money to fix the issue which is not your fault, and you are lucky and your build doesn't get screwed. Which means you are a 2hd hero. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: Miwiw on March 05, 2013, 09:08:02 pm
That's your own problem, seeing a respec as "lost time". In a game... that's stupid itself. Good they don't give free respecs.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on March 05, 2013, 09:17:24 pm
What was the reasoning, percisely? I am really curious to learn why they enjoy making charakter progression a gamble - either your build will get screwed up after investing a lot of time and you will lose even more time or a lot of money to fix the issue which is not your fault, and you are lucky and your build doesn't get screwed. Which means you are a 2hd hero. Congratulations.

If you're that worried about it being a "gamble" there's a simple solution. Retire at 31 or 32. Go past that and that's when the gamble begins. You choose if you want to play that game.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: oprah_winfrey on March 05, 2013, 09:21:24 pm
That's your own problem, seeing a respec as "lost time". In a game... that's stupid itself. Good they don't give free respecs.

It's also stupid to say you shouldn't get a free loom respec because there is the marketplace. I sit infront of a desk looking at spreadsheets all day, why would I want to do that when I get home?
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on March 05, 2013, 09:25:39 pm
It's also stupid to say you shouldn't get a free loom respec because there is the marketplace. I sit infront of a desk looking at spreadsheets all day, why would I want to do that when I get home?

So because of your job there should be a loom respec to cater to your distaste for spreadsheets?

PS; Playing the market is easy shit, takes maybe 2 seconds to put up an offer and wait. And that's all you really need to do, that's how I make money. It's really not that bad. I promise.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 05, 2013, 09:27:45 pm
It's also stupid to say you shouldn't get a free loom respec because there is the marketplace. I sit infront of a desk looking at spreadsheets all day, why would I want to do that when I get home?

Now I'm locking this thread.

If you want to complain about me, go to my admin feedback thread. If you want to argue about the free respec thing you should go to your own thread which is in correct subforum now http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/free-stat-and-loom-respec/

I don't want this respec arguing (or whatever) to fill the whole general discussion since we actually have far more important threads to be seen. Yes I mean the application threads for item balancers, community proxy, item manager and support.
Title: Re: Son of Odin doesn't want a free respec, but he is a terrible global mod.
Post by: oprah_winfrey on March 05, 2013, 09:29:56 pm
So because of your job there should be a loom respec to cater to your distaste for spreadsheets?

PS; Playing the market is easy shit, takes maybe 2 seconds to put up an offer and wait. And that's all you really need to do, that's how I make money. It's really not that bad. I promise.

To be completely honest, if they did a full respec I would probably change one or two masterworks and not change my build at all. So it doesn't really matter to me, but I do think its a fair thing to do.

@son of odin: Only responding here because that is were other people are.