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Title: "Performance rating"
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 01, 2013, 03:51:48 am

My performance rating is 1.

I couldn't give less of a fuck about the number, but tonight I got kicked off of a strat roster that I had been on since yesterday with less than an hour to go before the fight (and believe it or not, I could have done other things with my time if I hadn't been planning on this). Pretty annoying.

Anyway, the official reason for this timely booting was my low performance rating. Can someone explain to me how this number is derived?

I've been in 10 strat battles to date. 3 had no one show up (and thus my K/D was 0:), so really, I've been in 7.

My KDs, if you care about the details:

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First fight ever, 3:19. We were 420 against 1914. They had about 8 more people sign up than we did. About half of these deaths were spawn-camping in the last few minutes.
Second fight, 4:7. Numbers were the reverse of the first set. I had a vague idea what I was doing this time. Probably level 20?
Third fight, 1:11. This was an EU town defense that I signed up for, not knowing what I was getting into. Peasant slaughter. Had to use a broken sickle the whole time.
Fourth fight, 23:34. On an offensive siege team of 1504 vs. 2320. Easily did better than half of my team here. Ended up thinking "wow, I'm getting better at this".
Fifth fight, 14:30. Field battle, attacking 2200 with a team of 1505. Again, did better than half of my team.
Sixth fight, 20:36. Defending against superior numbers. Yet again, better than half of my team.
Seventh and final fight to date, 13:32. Defending a town with inferior numbers. Once again, nearly half of my deaths happened in the last 2 minutes after we ran out of gear and got spawn-camped.

tl;dr, total ratio is 78:169, and about 30 of those deaths are from bullshit situations that must happen to everyone (running out of gear and having the spawn camped).

Now, that ratio is way, way better than my regular CRPG rating (where I play naked) which is 23/105.

So why is my "performance rating" so low?
I absolutely must be better than many, many other players I see out there. I mean, in half of those fights I did better than most of my team, people get lower K:Ds than me all the time, and to top it all off my "score" (whatever that means in the end) is usually equal to people with far greater K:Ds than me to begin with, thanks to my occasional throwing and penchant for assists.

How do I avoid this situation in the future (having my night wasted with no notice), short of getting a much better rating (which won't happen if I can't get into fights to improve it)?

EDIT: Just want to add that I've found 2 people already, who were in most of those battles, that had worse KD ratios than me and yet have a rating of 4. What am I missing here?

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 01, 2013, 03:59:58 am

Sounds really odd, I've got a performance of six and my kds are horrible in strat.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 01, 2013, 04:11:56 am

Well, hell, I'll move this party to a different part of the forum if it is an actual glitch or something...

Anyone have any clues for me?

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Arathian on March 01, 2013, 04:12:22 am

Very weird indeed.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Harald on March 01, 2013, 05:25:13 am

You can't simply take your total K:D ratio. Performance is based on a score for each battle based on how well you did compared to the average. I had a quick glance through your battles and i would say the performance value is correct since you did pretty bad on them based on below formula.

1. Score = (YourKills-YourDeaths) - ((TotalKills-TotalDeaths) / NumberOfMercenariesPresent)
2. Min/Max -10/10
3. Final = (Score+10) / 2

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 01, 2013, 05:32:39 am

Quote from: Harald on March 01, 2013, 05:25:13 am

You can't simply take your total K:D ratio. Performance is based on a score for each battle based on how well you did compared to the average. I had a quick glance through your battles and i would say the performance value is correct since you did pretty bad on them based on below formula.

1. Score = (YourKills-YourDeaths) - ((TotalKills-TotalDeaths) / NumberOfMercenariesPresent)
2. Min/Max -10/10
3. Final = (Score+10) / 2

Alright, well thank you for taking the time to clarify how these numbers are crunched. Now I just need to get them higher, so I'm given the chance to... get them higher. Though I bet it will take me a very long time to overcome the effect of my earliest noob efforts. Sheesh.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Harald on March 01, 2013, 05:36:56 am

It only takes the last 10 battles into account, after that your noob efforts don't affect your rating anymore.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 01, 2013, 05:39:12 am

Quote from: Harald on March 01, 2013, 05:36:56 am

It only takes the last 10 battles into account, after that your noob efforts don't affect your rating anymore.

Something to look forward to, then. Thanks again Harald.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Segd on March 01, 2013, 05:57:27 am

Quote from: Harald on March 01, 2013, 05:25:13 am

1. Score = (YourKills-YourDeaths) - ((TotalKills-TotalDeaths) / NumberOfMercenariesPresent)

So, zero deaths bug is fixed now,doesn't it?


P.S.
Reliability:9
Performance:10  8-)

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Penitent on March 01, 2013, 01:31:09 pm

I have performance 1 because of all the EU battles I join where I have terrible ping and can't do anything...

All for the xp baby. ;)

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Swaggart on March 01, 2013, 05:26:52 pm

Strat is serious business.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Gurnisson on March 01, 2013, 05:31:38 pm

Get over 3 strat kdr like a true hero!

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Shemaforash on March 01, 2013, 05:42:34 pm

What's required for 10 performance? I've never seem to able to do it o.o

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Smoothrich on March 01, 2013, 06:06:08 pm

Quote from: Shemaforash on March 01, 2013, 05:42:34 pm

What's required for 10 performance? I've never seem to able to do it o.o

Basically be in the top 3 of your team for kills 8-10 matches in a row.  Its pretty easy if you are a strength build 2hander to be honest.  Fuck up a single match though where you aren't killwhoring or outperforming everyone and it will start dropping.

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Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Shemaforash on March 01, 2013, 06:29:07 pm

For kills, does score have any sort of impact on it?

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Nihtgenga on March 01, 2013, 06:49:19 pm

I would like to see score having an impact on performance and not just the sole kd ratio.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Teeth on March 01, 2013, 06:52:05 pm

Jeez, nobody told me that you could just ask for formulas and get them presented to you, thanks Harald.

Quote from: Shemaforash on March 01, 2013, 06:29:07 pm

For kills, does score have any sort of impact on it?

Look at the formulas Harald posted.

I had performance 10 but I did some peasant rape battles where I got no kills or 1 kills, while a few on my team spawnraped 10 kills. Let's see.

1. Score = (YourKills-YourDeaths) - ((TotalKills-TotalDeaths) / NumberOfMercenariesPresent)
2. Min/Max -10/10
3. Final = (Score+10) / 2

(0-0) - ((157-12) / 48) = -3.02

(-3.02 + 10) / 2 = 3.49?

So I get a 3.49 score for getting no kills in a peasant rape battle, where getting no kills basically meant that I am not a spawnraping 2h? I say default score of 10 for anyone without deaths under a certain total kill threshold or something.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Smoothrich on March 01, 2013, 06:57:55 pm

Quote from: Shemaforash on March 01, 2013, 06:29:07 pm

For kills, does score have any sort of impact on it?

No.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on March 01, 2013, 07:00:22 pm

I think if you stop going to battles it may slowly start to decrease as well as I had 10 reliability and 9 performance, maybe 8, and now it's down to 7, although I haven't touched strategus in quite some time.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Zanze on March 01, 2013, 07:12:51 pm

Most of the battles where I am ordered to just murder rape the enemy I top the  charts. When I am set to defend a point, I have very low deaths. However, I still have a 6/10 performance rating. So I just ignore it at this point. As should you all.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Shemaforash on March 01, 2013, 07:30:47 pm

Yeah, at some point performance doesn't matter to you, at least it stopped mattering to me when bagge wanted me to defend Shu Han or any other faction no matter what

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Turboflex on March 01, 2013, 07:51:30 pm

I think there is something buggy with performance rating cuz you shouldn't be a 1, that's only for the most awful players who are at the bottom in kills. not people who are reasonably close to 1:1. There is a guy in our clan, Rotfeast, who actually had a 0 performance yesterday. He is a decent shielder and usually around mid-range and above. A 0 is usually someone who is like -6 kills.

I think the bug is related to the fact that Rotfeast signs up for like every NA strat battle and no-shows to a lot that he can't make, and if it's a small one with no roll call the commanders won't bother taking him off. So I think maybe some or all of these (depending on if it's a no-show battle, or maybe a very short battle with a bit of fighting) are giving him the really bad "performance" credit.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Oberyn on March 01, 2013, 08:06:35 pm

Quote from: Turboflex on March 01, 2013, 07:51:30 pm

not people who are reasonably close to 1:1.

78:169 is not close to 1:1.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Teeth on March 01, 2013, 08:46:44 pm

Quote from: Shemaforash on March 01, 2013, 05:42:34 pm

What's required for 10 performance? I've never seem to able to do it o.o

According to my calculations you need 20 more kills than deaths as a defender on the average siege, with attackers losing 1500 tickets and defenders losing a 1000 with 50 players on each side. So let's say 45-25.

Which seems weird, the calculation does not actually use kills/deaths, but kills - deaths.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Tibe on March 01, 2013, 08:53:35 pm

The guy who booted you should be the one getting the boot from Strat. We dont want any nerds here. Counting player reliability and lvl I understand. Counting performance I dont. There can be so many factors that could influence it beside individual skill.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Tears of Destiny on March 01, 2013, 09:06:05 pm

Just make a name for yourself and soon enough people will hire or not hire you regardless of what your performance rating is. We have some amazingballz Catapult Operators in c-RPG and they get hired despite their job often murdering their performance ratings.


Performance rating is nothing more then a quick indicator (High is nice, low is... Needs a thought), it is the reliability that most people are concerned with as well as your reputation on following orders.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Macropus on March 01, 2013, 11:02:42 pm

Quote from: Teeth on March 01, 2013, 08:46:44 pm

Which seems weird, the calculation does not actually use kills/deaths, but kills - deaths.

Seems quite logical to me since a guy with 100/50 kd is much more useful in battle than a guy with 2/1 kd.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Teeth on March 01, 2013, 11:28:20 pm

Quote from: Macropus on March 01, 2013, 11:02:42 pm

Seems quite logical to me since a guy with 100/50 kd is much more useful in battle than a guy with 2/1 kd.

Not a good example. With this formula a guy who goes 60/40 gets a higher score rating than a guy that goes 20/1. I think that with Strategus being about getting the other teams tickets down compared to yours I'd say the ratio of tickets you take from the enemies per ticket you waste of your team is the most important.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Segd on March 02, 2013, 09:35:09 am

Quote from: Teeth on March 01, 2013, 11:28:20 pm

Not a good example. With this formula a guy who goes 60/40 gets a higher score rating than a guy that goes 20/1. I think that with Strategus being about getting the other teams tickets down compared to yours I'd say the ratio of tickets you take from the enemies per ticket you waste of your team is the most important.

Sure it's a bit unfair, but if formula would be k/d(not k-d) dependent(see below), ranged will ruin melee performance to 1 since their k\d usually far more than 2/1(I saw a guy with 50/0 once)

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Score = (YourKills\YourDeaths) - ((TotalKills\TotalDeaths) / NumberOfMercenariesPresent)

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 02, 2013, 10:39:30 pm

Alright, it seems like we're using the same word, "Score", in two ways here...

Firstly, "Score" as it appears on the in-game tab menu. And then "score" in reference the Harald's forumla. Not the same, in regards to Performance rating, are they? I mean, one uses all damage you deal to come up with its value, and the other just looks at Kills and Deaths, no?

Check out my results from last night's fight. Seriously, no E-PEEN sizing intended - I'm only trying to point out how strange it is to me that "score" (as it appears on the tab menu) is seemingly ignored by Performance Rating. And again, for the record, I only care because this issue can (apparently) keep me from getting into strat battles, and thus having fun.

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As you can see, there are people on that list whose KDr were way, way, way better than mine, and yet I "out-scored" them, sometimes by hundreds of points. Look at Anders, Lorden, Kesh, Syls. Are they better players than I am? Certainly. Should their Performance Rating reflect that? Yes. But what's the point of even having an in-game "score" rating if it doesn't change your listed efficacy?

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Smoothrich on March 02, 2013, 11:16:57 pm

Performance was implemented before Score was. 

Score isn't a fair reflection in many situations either.  It is biased towards shielders and pikers because they stay alive longer and soak up more proximity points, and very biased against ranged since arbalesters get 2-3 points per headshot which is silly.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Lt_Anders on March 03, 2013, 01:34:49 am

Quote from: Smoothrich on March 02, 2013, 11:16:57 pm

Performance was implemented before Score was. 

Score isn't a fair reflection in many situations either.  It is biased towards shielders and pikers because they stay alive longer and soak up more proximity points, and very biased against ranged since arbalesters get 2-3 points per headshot which is silly.

Hey i had good score in that screen shot as an arbs man. Didn't even pick up a melee weapon for that screeny(and still went 31-5). But yea, score is AWEFUL for ranged, and if they get a high score, they are damn good, especially if using xbow only.

Also, I'm good? I'm only mediocre, though my last few battles I have done quite well(even when losing) making good performance(got a 7ish now I think)

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 03, 2013, 05:22:12 am

Quote from: Lt_Anders on March 03, 2013, 01:34:49 am

Hey i had good score in that screen shot as an arbs man. Didn't even pick up a melee weapon for that screeny(and still went 31-5). But yea, score is AWEFUL for ranged, and if they get a high score, they are damn good, especially if using xbow only.

Also, I'm good? I'm only mediocre, though my last few battles I have done quite well(even when losing) making good performance(got a 7ish now I think)

Fine, if you say so, though If calling a mediocre player good makes me seem less terrible I'm going to do it  :mrgreen:

But yeah, I did notice with my own crossbow during that siege, every hit I got only gave me +1 score. Though I figured this was because I had 0 wpf and was probably doing 1 damage.

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Phantasmal on March 03, 2013, 06:25:23 am

wpf is not a factor in determining crossbow damage

Title: Re: "Performance rating"
Post by: Silveredge on March 03, 2013, 01:18:43 pm

Ranged that stand on the walls around where a lot of fighting goes on will get infinitely more score then ranged that do not stand in proximity to fighting.  It does not matter what their score is, this applies to melee as well.  Proximity points in a siege are 60%+ of the points everyone has.  This is very apparent in large strat battles.