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Title: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on February 21, 2013, 02:06:29 pm
I would just like an admin, or someone to clarify this....

Today i was on EU1 probably about 5 minutes before this post when Guard_Hardraada polls to ban JohanE for having 3 crossbows on horseback, although its annoying and JohanE killed Hardra, since when has equipment been limited to where you can no longer pick what you want to pick?

If  we are now limited on what we can pick or what HX' can pick then wheres the RPG bit of cRPG if we cant roleplay an annoying cunt?

P.S the poll went through to ban JohanE

EDIT: Hardra said admins specifically told him, just him that it was not allowed
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: bagge on February 21, 2013, 02:20:39 pm
Yeah bullshit move. Poor JohanE, the valourios and brave Supertrooper :(
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Son Of Odin on February 21, 2013, 02:35:20 pm
Why would 3 crossbows be not allowed? Screens or do I check the logs? Smells like poll abuse.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Lactating Vegetables on February 21, 2013, 02:37:28 pm
happens to me all the time on my HX, last guy and everyone is trying to poll ban you or poll kick you because you are playing your class  :|
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on February 21, 2013, 02:41:50 pm
@Odin, yes poll abuse so deal with it as you would

@Hiro, Hardraada was the last left, got headshotted, cried, banned JohanE

But id still like to know who these 'admins' are of his
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 21, 2013, 02:41:59 pm
happens to me all the time on my HX, last guy and everyone is trying to poll ban you or poll kick you because you are playing your class  :|
If you're a delaying ranged bitch you deserve to be banned, fuck what the rules say.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on February 21, 2013, 02:44:29 pm
If you're a delaying ranged bitch you deserve to be banned, fuck what the rules say.

So every an  all 2h Hero i see that is fighting till his last breath should be banned because he is delaying especially against insurmountable odds - good logic bro
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Son Of Odin on February 21, 2013, 02:46:52 pm
@Odin, yes poll abuse so deal with it as you would

But id still like to know who these 'admins' are of his
Well since no one provided any screens we have to wait until the logs show up. Going to give Hardraada just a small reminder. He is a good dude but rages too much sometimes ;).
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Mendro on February 21, 2013, 02:47:01 pm
Now the real question is why making a Horse thrower when you can do a HX with 3 crossbow and have more ammo/accuracy and do same damage?
Have 3 crossbow is allowed but that still a game balance problem.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: JohanE on February 21, 2013, 03:01:00 pm
3 crossbows limits you to only have 15 bolts, after 5 drive-by's you are just a bumping-machine.

Ragepolls because of made up rules/not liking a class should result in some kind of punishment.

Thanks for putting up a thread.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Son Of Odin on February 21, 2013, 03:26:42 pm
It is done. Eye for an eye. Haardraada takes an hour break now.

It's a mild punishment I know. Maybe there really was some admin or even a rule in the past that didn't allow multiple crossbows on horseback or something. It's not written in the official server rules now so it's perfectly ok to use many crossbows. Annoying but allowed :P.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on February 21, 2013, 03:31:37 pm
Thanks for clearing that up
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Tuetensuppe on February 21, 2013, 06:12:02 pm
i desire to see all HX of c-rpg using today in the evening 3 xbows on there horses and get on EU1!

HX, unite!

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Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Lennu on February 21, 2013, 06:34:27 pm
Before the new Slot system came in I remeber Meow running into battle with 3 arbalests and a GLA :D
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 21, 2013, 06:45:35 pm
It is done. Eye for an eye. Haardraada takes an hour break now.

It's a mild punishment I know. Maybe there really was some admin or even a rule in the past that didn't allow multiple crossbows on horseback or something. It's not written in the official server rules now so it's perfectly ok to use many crossbows. Annoying but allowed :P.
finally, he was saying this to me too already. didnt poll me though
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Everkistus on February 21, 2013, 06:54:27 pm
I made a 7/30 STF just for this.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Kafein on February 21, 2013, 06:55:42 pm
Poll banning people on basis of the asshat rule is legit. That rule is there for a reason.

I'm not saying this case in particular was a good banpoll (although I think I would if I had been present), but if polling is punished systematically there's no reason to leave them activated.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Son Of Odin on February 21, 2013, 06:56:10 pm
finally, he was saying this to me too already. didnt poll me though
Why would anyone make a rule and not write it down to official server rules? Saying using multiple crossbows is not ok is like saying that Haardraada is not allowed to take more than 1 stack of throwing axes with him. Or that Bagge is not allowed to take 2 stacks of arrows with him.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on February 21, 2013, 07:45:53 pm
Now everybody is riding around with 3 xbows. lol
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: HarDraaDa on February 21, 2013, 10:04:43 pm
Yeah, i've been surprised to see JohanE with 3 crossbows on his horse. I heard often that was not allowed to abuse of that, and lot people said me that they think that was not allowed to use it(more than one). So i made a poll ban against JohanE. After discussion in ts with many players, it seems that i made a mistake with rule, cause there's no rule about that, and it's allowed so i sent immediatly this JohanE:

my Poll ban
Guard_HarDraaDa
21/02/2013 14:42:09
to Byzantium_JohanE
it Seems that i made a mistake with this poll ban, it was unfair and not justified, after a discussion with blacky, there's any rules, that no allowed you to use 3 crossbows. So i regret, and i made you apologies if you want accept them. It's just there's so lot xbows in the game now, and i raged a little when i saw you with 3.


Guard_HarDraaDa.



So, my intention was not to make something bad, i was just thinking that was not allowed.


  Guard_HarDraaDa
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Son Of Odin on February 21, 2013, 10:14:51 pm
Yeah, i've been surprised to see JohanE with 3 crossbows on his horse. I heard often that was not allowed to abuse of that, and lot people said me that they think that was not allowed to use it(more than one). So i made a poll ban against JohanE. After discussion in ts with many players, it seems that i made a mistake with rule, cause there's no rule about that, and it's allowed so i sent immediatly this JohanE:

my Poll ban
Guard_HarDraaDa
21/02/2013 14:42:09
to Byzantium_JohanE
it Seems that i made a mistake with this poll ban, it was unfair and not justified, after a discussion with blacky, there's any rules, that no allowed you to use 3 crossbows. So i regret, and i made you apologies if you want accept them. It's just there's so lot xbows in the game now, and i raged a little when i saw you with 3.


Guard_HarDraaDa.



So, my intention was not to make something bad, i was just thinking that was not allowed.


  Guard_HarDraaDa

That's why I gave only small ban because I suspected this might be a misunderstanding. Keep on swinging dude. I would have unbanned you instantly if you explained this earlier. Now the ban is already gone :). It's good we got this cleared out.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on February 22, 2013, 02:03:22 pm
What have i done :3

I dont think i had a round last night where my horse didint get killed by a HX, i brought this on myself.......damn you JohanE!

HX 3 crossbows 2k13 - #triplexbowonhorse
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Kafein on February 22, 2013, 02:10:10 pm
What have i done :3

I dont think i had a round last night where my horse didint get killed by a HX, i brought this on myself.......damn you JohanE!

HX 3 crossbows 2k13 - #3crossbowsonhorse

 :lol:


I think using multiple Xbows is forbidden on some of the most popular Native servers, that's probably what caused the confusion.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Micah on February 22, 2013, 04:31:32 pm
In dubio pro reo imo.The polling reason is possibly a somewhat borderline case. Haradraa had a reason aimed to maintain gameplay fairnes. Anyhow , it was still a poll and not his own decision to kick the other player ( who was obviously intentionally exploiting game mechanics !). The other players on the server deceided how to  evaluate the poll, so can NOT to be attributed to Haradraa's own ability.
Clear decision for me , Haradraa is free of any guilt , furthermore it was his right and his responsibility as a community member to report unfair behavior in a subjective PoV.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Lactating Vegetables on February 22, 2013, 06:09:39 pm
Exploit? no its not a exploit  :rolleyes:

and fairness would be to allow the player to play their build.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Micah on February 22, 2013, 07:00:32 pm
Exploit? no its not a exploit  :rolleyes:

and fairness would be to allow the player to play their build.
Playing HX means equiping a horse an xbow and bolts , possibly some melee backup. Equiping multiple xbows is intentional exploiting unrestrictive game mechanics against the idea of a class ( and the game itself ) in a so obvious way that some ppl seem to not even see that.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Prpavi on February 22, 2013, 07:07:49 pm

Johane should be banned for being a prick alone.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: bagge on February 22, 2013, 07:15:44 pm
Johane should be banned for being a prick alone.

Prpavi why :(
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Molly on February 22, 2013, 07:27:38 pm
Playing HX means equiping a horse an xbow and bolts , possibly some melee backup. Equiping multiple xbows is intentional exploiting unrestrictive game mechanics against the idea of a class ( and the game itself ) in a so obvious way that some ppl seem to not even see that.
Guess you're pro turnratenerf then?
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Micah on February 22, 2013, 07:35:51 pm
Guess you're pro turnratenerf then?
what that has to do with anything ? whats about the toppic ?
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 22, 2013, 07:37:52 pm
Playing HX means equiping a horse an xbow and bolts , possibly some melee backup. Equiping multiple xbows is intentional exploiting unrestrictive game mechanics against the idea of a class ( and the game itself ) in a so obvious way that some ppl seem to not even see that.

I lol'ed, would lol again (not a horse archer/xbow, never even tried it)
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on February 22, 2013, 08:30:22 pm
Playing HX means equiping a horse an xbow and bolts , possibly some melee backup. Equiping multiple xbows is intentional exploiting unrestrictive game mechanics against the idea of a class ( and the game itself ) in a so obvious way that some ppl seem to not even see that.

Well thats complete Bullshit, playing HX means you have a crossbow on horse, it doesn't say anywhere how many have to be equipped or how many you are allowed, if that was the case it would be HX1crossbowonlywololo#sexonfire

If thats the case then i do not wish to see any archers with 2 bags of arrows, as they are only Bow and Arrow, hell limit it to 1 arrow, no 2h'ers carrying a secondary weapon, no shielders carrying anything except a shield etc etc

Think about it ;)
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Molly on February 22, 2013, 08:34:40 pm
what that has to do with anything ? whats about the toppic ?
Roflcopterstabbing and the facehugstab with LS are possible due to the shitty engine too. You don't wanna see several Xbows on a HX, then fix those things too.
And the nerf to turnrate was about the same shit but caused a shitstorm.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Micah on February 22, 2013, 09:02:01 pm
Well thats complete Bullshit, playing HX means you have a crossbow on horse, it doesn't say anywhere how many have to be equipped or how many you are allowed, if that was the case it would be HX1crossbowonlywololo#sexonfire

If thats the case then i do not wish to see any archers with 2 bags of arrows, as they are only Bow and Arrow, hell limit it to 1 arrow, no 2h'ers carrying a secondary weapon, no shielders carrying anything except a shield etc etc

Think about it ;)
Why you call it bullshit ? Its exploiting because its against the common sense and realism about how a class should be working - for me , the intention of the game itself; And i call many other playstyles exploiting , NEVER said it needs to be punished ! Furthermore this was just an additional fact to my argument not the point to discuss here. So whats the matter , Haradraa is not to be blamed for polling, Johanne is not punishable for exploiting mechanics where its not exclusively forbidden.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on February 22, 2013, 09:08:41 pm
Why you call it bullshit ? Its exploiting because its against the common sense and realism about how a class should be working - for me , the intention of the game itself; And i call many other playstyles exploiting , NEVER said it needs to be punished ! Furthermore this was just an additional fact to my argument not the point to discuss here. So whats the matter , Haradraa is not to be blamed for polling, Johanne is not punishable for exploiting mechanics where its not exclusively forbidden.

The discussion has evolved! Into the fact of why you think crossbows x3 is exploiting, i asked was it against the rules, but you seem to have a pretty secluded view on things, so explain in length by doing a joker post! :P
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Swaggart on February 22, 2013, 09:17:12 pm
Micah, the reason why what you're saying is correctly being pointed out as bullshit is that there's no such thing as a class in crpg, only what we decide to name the popular builds. I can easily create a class that utilizes every ranged weapon and every melee type, what class would I be?

I for one don't see it as exploiting nonrestrictive (fixed that for you) game mechanics. This is entirely your opinion and it carries as much weight as anyone else's.

Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Son Of Odin on February 22, 2013, 10:05:02 pm
Well if someone wants to live with the upkeep that the playstyle requires, by all means take as many crossbows as you can. 3 xbows, bolts and a horse aren't exactly free :D
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 22, 2013, 10:09:27 pm
Damnit Micah, can barely resist making a hx alt now with 4 xbows.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Micah on February 22, 2013, 10:37:40 pm
(click to show/hide)

I for one don't see it as exploiting nonrestrictive (fixed that for you) game mechanics. This is entirely your opinion and it carries as much weight as anyone else's.
Exactly, noone here can tell the real intention of the game, including me and propably not even the makers; a point i have to admit ... the real intention of the game, if there is any, is somewhere between the realms of the intention of the maker and the intention of the players , since its aswell their game as it is the game of the maker.

Anyhow , a propper judgement for a situation like this cant bypass the censureship of game fairness, as where the main purpose of a game is to ensure a ballanced state between possible playstyles ( aka player intentions supported by the game mechanics ) and fun factor for all players. If now one player feels that some playstyle of some other guy breaks the rule of game fairness he has the possibility and the right to report or poll against this players ingame behavior ; Eventhough, starting a poll was a rather drastic measure BUT legal (he should rather have reported, talked to the guy or discussed in forum).
The rest of the players now voted that Haradraa's poll was rectified and kicked the player as a result of an mutual agreement. This also implies that the players playstyle was exploitive and breaking the playerships opinion of game fairness in that certain situation.
Another word on Johane's behavior, who had played with seemingly proper intention. For him it was just a unlucky coincidence that he unknowingly used a playstyle which was decided as unpropper by the rest of players in that situation. He also did nothing really wrong, and players should be really carefull about using polls.

btw: iam aware that this is only my own opinion and i accept others without mentioning that after each sentence  :P
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Spleen on February 22, 2013, 10:51:00 pm
So why is using pike on horseback punishable again?
Its usable in the game engine and just punishable by rules.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: //saxon on February 22, 2013, 10:51:46 pm
fuckin bundle of sticksry, JohanE is a boss.


EDIT: Wait what "bundle of sticksry"? i didn't type that.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Son Of Odin on February 22, 2013, 10:58:56 pm
Its usable in the game engine
Try that one again. My source (I think it was Vibe, Rheki or Everkistus) tells LS and pike are not usable on horseback in crpg anymore. Hence it's not in the server rules anymore.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on February 22, 2013, 11:14:49 pm
Try that one again. My source (I think it was Vibe, Rheki or Everkistus) tells LS and pike are not usable on horseback in crpg anymore. Hence it's not in the server rules anymore.

Yet i saw someone with it on horseback the other day, i really should start using screenies
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Kafein on February 23, 2013, 01:26:48 am
EDIT: Wait what "bundle of sticksry"? i didn't type that.

Cuuuuuute

On subject, you can use LS on horseback fine last I tested, the way to do it is not straightforward though.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Son Of Odin on February 23, 2013, 02:13:02 am
Cuuuuuute

On subject, you can use LS on horseback fine last I tested, the way to do it is not straightforward though.
I think I know what you mean. That goes definetly under the exploiting rule anyhow.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Prpavi on February 23, 2013, 11:42:59 am
Prpavi why :(


he could just bring his main and pew pew people which is annoying enough but no he will make a elephant riding HX with 3 xbows and delay the rounds.

we have enough Veselovs and similar scum that runs around without any chance of winning and delaying rounds and at the time where only 40 ppl play on EU_1 basically all day, this sort of behaviour for me is not acceptable.

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Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: bagge on February 23, 2013, 03:43:22 pm
But he's a supertrooper :wink:
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Prpavi on February 23, 2013, 05:02:07 pm
But he's a supertrooper :wink:

this!?

this is permaban material right there brah!
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: bagge on February 23, 2013, 05:17:36 pm
Good old ABBA
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Strider on February 23, 2013, 06:10:57 pm
This is why I don't ever feel like playing cRPG anymore. Lack of choice. Lack of RPG.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Thomek on February 23, 2013, 06:22:52 pm

he could just bring his main and pew pew people which is annoying enough but no he will make a elephant riding HX with 3 xbows and delay the rounds.

we have enough Veselovs and similar scum that runs around without any chance of winning and delaying rounds and at the time where only 40 ppl play on EU_1 basically all day, this sort of behaviour for me is not acceptable.

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Yes there are certain people playing certain classes that play in ways destructive to gameplay as a whole. Unless rules are changed there's nothing I can do about it. (I tried.)

Personally I would just nerf xbows to the ground though. Lame weapon that leads to static gameplay, lame deaths and people hiding until the bitter, pointless end.
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Prpavi on February 23, 2013, 07:31:23 pm
Yes there are certain people playing certain classes that play in ways destructive to gameplay as a whole. Unless rules are changed there's nothing I can do about it. (I tried.)

Personally I would just nerf xbows to the ground though. Lame weapon that leads to static gameplay, lame deaths and people hiding until the bitter, pointless end.

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my toughts exactly
Title: Re: Crossbows on Horse
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 23, 2013, 07:50:56 pm
Yes there are certain people playing certain classes that play in ways destructive to gameplay as a whole. Unless rules are changed there's nothing I can do about it. (I tried.)

Personally I would just nerf katanas to the ground though. Lame weapon that leads to static gameplay, lame deaths and people hiding until the bitter, pointless end.
Fixed.

Also, trying to change the rules by making your own ones up and sticking to those rules is retarded, it'd be the same as if some random guy banpolled you and said "I want the rules to make the name Thomek bannable.".