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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Ichi_Uiabuu on April 30, 2011, 07:41:26 am

Title: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Ichi_Uiabuu on April 30, 2011, 07:41:26 am
 :cry:

So, Katana uses two slots.

Which means, my uselessly hybridized character, meant to be a daito-carrying, horse-arching, spear-thrusting samurai in the classic tradition -- that is to say, being able to wield spear or bow, on foot or on horse, while carrying both the long and short swords that signify samurai status.

After all, if you have not mastered spear, bow, horsemanship, and the long and short swords, you aren't really samurai.

chadz, why must you tease me so?  So many pretty armor upgrades, and yet I can never again fight as a samurai. I am now just another in a long line of wannabe kensei.  I can't even be good at that, with my WPF spread all over archery and polearm...

Ah, well. At least some of my other characters still work...

(I wouldn't mind paying a stupidly huge number of dinars for a 2-slot Daito set... X to switch between katana/wakizashi...  a weeabo can dream, can't he?)

edit: Re: other characters; my other stupid hybrid doesn't work anymore either (bastard sword + longbow + throwing axes)...
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Ichi_Uiabuu on April 30, 2011, 07:56:39 am
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Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Teeth on April 30, 2011, 10:46:23 am
Katana two slots? That doesnt really make sense. The strong nerfing of the katana doesnt really make sense anyway, it wasn't overpowered, except in Khorins hands.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Banok on April 30, 2011, 02:56:40 pm
well katana is shorter and lighter than alot of 1h swords. so unless 1h swords are 2 slot also its pretty retarded.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Ujin on April 30, 2011, 03:47:47 pm
0_o
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Torp on April 30, 2011, 03:50:34 pm
i dont get why akatna is 2-slot either... there are lighter 1-slot weaps, and it is carried in your belt as msot other 1-slot weapons.

I always used katana for my hybrids/ranged chars because it is usable with quite low wpf... unfortunately, i cant do taht anymore :(
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Espu on April 30, 2011, 03:55:00 pm
If katana was 1 slot, it would be used as sidearm for every single archer and xbowman.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: v/onMega on April 30, 2011, 04:08:38 pm
SO TRUE.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Ichi_Uiabuu on April 30, 2011, 05:40:40 pm
Quote from: Vargas on April 30, 2011, 03:55:00 pm
If katana was 1 slot, it would be used as sidearm for every single archer and xbowman.

So make Wakizashi 0-slot, no-parry weapon?  Make a 2-slot weapon that includes both swords? 

Or just remove all the Japanese stuff entirely. Even that would be better than ALMOST but NOT QUITE being able to play as a Samurai.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Siiem on May 01, 2011, 12:04:49 pm
Quote from: Ichi_Uiabuu on April 30, 2011, 05:40:40 pm
just remove all the Japanese stuff entirely.

I agree on this.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Dach on May 02, 2011, 12:46:12 am
Quote from: Vargas on April 30, 2011, 03:55:00 pm
If katana was 1 slot, it would be used as sidearm for every single archer and xbowman.

Agree!

But why oh why did you nerf it's damage and speed?  :evil:

A lot of 1h have better reach... and way better thrusting damage...

We get what?

a little speed (one or 2 point) and better slashing damage for less reach, 2 slot and sucking thrusting damage?!!?
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Gorath on May 02, 2011, 01:13:18 am
Honestly none of the "bastard" weapons (longsword, bastards, morningstar, katana, goedendag, etc) make sense to take up 2 slots.  They're worn on the hip like any other 1h'd weapon.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: cmp on May 02, 2011, 01:18:35 am
Quote from: Gorath on May 02, 2011, 01:13:18 am
Honestly none of the "bastard" weapons (longsword, bastards, morningstar, katana, goedendag, etc) make sense to take up 2 slots.

Realism-wise.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Gorath on May 02, 2011, 01:26:33 am
Quote from: cmpxchg8b on May 02, 2011, 01:18:35 am
Realism-wise.

Well yeah.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: EponiCo on May 02, 2011, 01:34:10 am
To be fair, it wouldn't matter that much actually if they were one slot imo.
There's little difference between katana and langes messer in 2h mode f.e. you don't loose much from going elite scimitar over bastard sword either.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Zergmar on May 02, 2011, 02:11:08 am
Quote from: Vargas on April 30, 2011, 03:55:00 pm
If katana was 1 slot, it would be used as sidearm for every single archer and xbowman.

+1
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Tennenoth on May 02, 2011, 05:05:09 am
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If katana was 1 slot, it would be used as sidearm for every single archer and xbowman.
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I would never weaboo up! Lies I tell you! I would stay with the pathetic nordic champions sword and would even us my long dagger over such a rediculous weapon!  :evil:[quote
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Siiem on May 03, 2011, 10:42:35 am
The whole katana is too weak thingy is just lies. With enough strength even 1h swords can kill in 2 or 3 hits. And str builds with a insanely fast 2h is bad enough.

Compromise here, give it the same damage rating as a longsword but nerf the speed to 97. Then it would be used by ninjas and shogunhates without beeing abused too death by everyone else.
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Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Banok on May 03, 2011, 07:08:04 pm
I'd be well up for something like that siiem, but your saying same damage less speed and less length than longsword. so this is what I suggest.

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Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Peasant_Woman on May 03, 2011, 07:16:05 pm
Quote from: Banok on May 03, 2011, 07:08:04 pm
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proposed katana stats
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 97
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 38 cut
weapon length: 95

I feel this would be a little more balanced due to miaodao not having stab, yet having +20 reach and only -1 speed.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: PikeDan on May 03, 2011, 07:50:07 pm
Quote from: Dach on May 02, 2011, 12:46:12 am
Agree!

But why oh why did you nerf it's damage and speed?  :evil:

A lot of 1h have better reach... and way better thrusting damage...

We get what?

a little speed (one or 2 point) and better slashing damage for less reach, 2 slot and sucking thrusting damage?!!?
Spiked maces are one slot and are slightly slower and shorter than a Katana, but do 30 B damage. There are options out there if you're willing to not look like a speshul spamurai.

Also, Fighting axes are also a single slot and are a 1h/2h. The stats escape me at the moment, but it's a lovely weapon as well.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Banok on May 03, 2011, 08:44:53 pm
Quote from: Peasant_Woman on May 03, 2011, 07:16:05 pm
proposed katana stats
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 97
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 38 cut
weapon length: 95

I feel this would be a little more balanced due to miaodao not having stab, yet having +20 reach and only -1 speed.

fair enuf, but the miaodao is a gimped weapon imo. I prefer comparing my suggested stats an overpowered weapon, the danish greatsword. question then is: is 5 more speed worth -29 reach? the answer of course is no but at least katana has style and 3 less requirement going for it.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Dravic on May 03, 2011, 08:52:24 pm
No, DON'T RAISE STR REQ FOR KATANA!

It is one of last weapons which can be used by agi characters.

Either don't raise str req or remove agility entirely, atm it is senseless to go for agi if you know you can't use a chosen weapon...
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Meensai on May 06, 2011, 07:09:14 am
Well i think it'd be a good compromise like this...

Katana
difficulty: 13(instead of 12)
speed rating: 99(instead of 101[ or even faster])
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut (instead of 38)
weapon length: 105 (instead of 95)

Fair and realistic.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Ujin on May 06, 2011, 09:43:40 am
Quote from: Meensai on May 06, 2011, 07:09:14 am
Well i think it'd be a good compromise like this...

Katana
difficulty: 13(instead of 12)
speed rating: 99(instead of 101[ or even faster])
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 36 cut (instead of 38)
weapon length: 105 (instead of 95)

Fair and realistic.
This seems most logical to me so far ,except for balance purposes i'd reduce the pierce to 21-22.
Title: Re: Ultimate Weaboo Bitch Post
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on May 06, 2011, 10:07:24 am
So essentially a remodelled longsword.

I guess. But I would miss the style and feel of the weapon, the disadvantage in length is one of the more fun parts about the weapon...  :cry:

I've spent my entire cRPG time being a katana wielder(I got 4 characters that use it) and I wouldn't want to see it turned in to just another longsword/heavy bastard/two handed sword carbon copy.
Making something the same as something else creates good balance, but not interesting gameplay.