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Title: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Rhaegar on February 02, 2013, 09:02:58 pm
lately I happen to be killed with a single attack,This occurs both with polearms that with two-handed weapons,happened to me this morning with an attack of mw Nordic Champion's Sword in the face.
These are my stats:
Hit points: 58  armor: 58h 54b 53l
I'm using the version WSE2 beta
something has been changed or is it just my feeling?
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: BlueKnight on February 02, 2013, 09:42:44 pm
I have been 1hit (had ~95%hp) with Military cleaver and I had 60 h 61b and 49-57 l armour. (depends on boots I was wearing)

I have 65hp. I also got 1hit (had ~95%hp) by battle axe (unloomed (44cut)) by a guy with 10 agility and 8 PS (asked him)

EDIT: I often die after 2 hits. I am happy that it's not just my impression but other people also notice something strange.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Molly on February 02, 2013, 09:52:57 pm
I can confirm the odd feel.

I am used to die in melee on a regular basis so I have high experience in this matter. Lots of one shots lately as before I usually could take at least 2.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Moncho on February 02, 2013, 09:54:31 pm
Head hit + speed bonus + str build?
I do not know, I get 1hit all the time with 21-18, 40h 41b 37l
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Kelugarn on February 02, 2013, 11:03:40 pm
Strange, I rarely get 1 shot by melee as a 18-21 6IF build when I'm wearing my felt hat and worn desert robe. Normally it takes two to three, depending on where I'm hit and speed bonus.

On another note I usually get one shot by arrows with the same build in 30 armor, so go figure.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Kafein on February 02, 2013, 11:09:23 pm
Developpers lurking in the shadows, fire in the eyes and a grin on their faces.

Don't forget held attacks can reach enormous amounts of damage.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Vodner on February 02, 2013, 11:15:56 pm
Probably a combination of hold bonus, speed bonus, headshot bonus, and unlucky armor rolls.

If the stars align just so, you could do over 100 damage with an 8 PS +3 NCS head hit versus 58 head armor. The exact same hit (which includes a 20% speed bonus, a perfect hold, a head hit, no sweetspot penalty, and 100 effective WPF after armor reductions) could do as little as ~50 damage based on random factors alone.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: BlueKnight on February 02, 2013, 11:42:38 pm
Got to love randomness...
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Teeth on February 02, 2013, 11:49:53 pm
Ah, I love it when my crazy feelings get confirmed by others. I aswell noticed a crazy amount of extremely high damage hits or ridiculous oneshots. Like a lot. To the extent that I have repeatedly wondered out loud in teamspeak whether they changed something to damage.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Kafein on February 02, 2013, 11:53:59 pm
Inb4 cmp ruining everybody's suppositions.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Rebelyell on February 03, 2013, 12:59:56 am
1h is new 2h
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: cmp on February 03, 2013, 01:02:53 am
Inb4 cmp ruining everybody's suppositions.

Actually, I can confirm them. The new test server uses a different settings file, which means our custom armor soak/reduce parameters didn't get loaded.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Torben on February 03, 2013, 01:04:56 am
as long as a full speed coursers lance thrust to the head doesnt one shot you,  everythings just fine
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Bronto on February 03, 2013, 01:13:02 am
I'm kind of all for this! Fast kills and evening the battlefield. GF str crutchers!
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Rumblood on February 03, 2013, 01:20:19 am
Actually, I can confirm them. The new test server uses a different settings file, which means our custom armor soak/reduce parameters didn't get loaded.

God I love Developer feedback  :wink:
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on February 03, 2013, 01:30:24 am
Everyone being 1-shotted regardless of armor will usher in a new era of Naked Heroes!! My time has come!!
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Callan on February 03, 2013, 01:38:55 am
This is odd because I roll with tribal armor/weeaboo armor and I rarely get one shot unless the dude is some super 2h hero with 1000 strength.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: San on February 03, 2013, 01:42:42 am
I noticed this when I was playing on EU as well. I marked it off as not paying as close attention to my health as I thought. I guess that explains my higher than usual damage output.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Vodner on February 03, 2013, 02:11:37 am
Using the old values might make for an interesting experiment. People are better at landing solid hits nowadays, so the reason for the change before (constant glancing due to higher soak values) may no longer be applicable.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Sagar on February 03, 2013, 01:21:45 pm
This changes are pure bullshit.

I just do some tests, and I die or left me 5% hp from 1 hit (1h Nordic Champion's Sword or 2h Longsword - unloomed) wearing this armor visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 and wearing this armor visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 - damage is the same???

So, what is the purpose of paying upkeep for heavy and expensive armor?

If I can play in this visitors can't see pics , please register or login
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 - upkeep 314


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 - upkeep 1517, and taking the same value of damage.


Like I say its a pure bullshit
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Kafein on February 03, 2013, 01:32:32 pm
This changes are pure bullshit.

I just do some tests, and I die or left me 5% hp from 1 hit (1h Nordic Champion's Sword or 2h Longsword - unloomed) wearing this armor visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 and wearing this armor visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 - damage is the same???

So, what is the purpose of paying upkeep for heavy and expensive armor?

If I can play in this visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 - upkeep 314


instead in this visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 - upkeep 1517, and taking the same value of damage.


Like I say its a pure bullshit

The old values mean that people with weak weapons will bounce on heavy armor much more.


Using the old values might make for an interesting experiment. People are better at landing solid hits nowadays, so the reason for the change before (constant glancing due to higher soak values) may no longer be applicable.

People are also better than before at moving to get those glances.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Prinz_Karl on February 03, 2013, 01:36:56 pm
I can confirm, obviously heavy armor has no damage reduction or changes compared to weak armor. 50 body armor will only take 2 hits by a good great sword same as every other weaker armor as my current experiences are.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: XyNox on February 03, 2013, 10:17:44 pm
Isnt dying in one hit how this game is suppose ... oh wait Im an archer.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on February 03, 2013, 10:25:14 pm
I can also confirm that headshots and hits to my head have a direct negative causal link to my health.
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Akynos on February 03, 2013, 10:52:08 pm
I feel a bit bad posting this, but I had the same feeling as well :p 79 body armor  80 HP and I often get 3-shotted
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Lannistark on February 06, 2013, 06:38:57 pm
I feel a bit bad posting this, but I had the same feeling as well :p 79 body armor  80 HP and I often get 3-shotted

This made me lol  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Arrowblood on February 06, 2013, 06:43:20 pm
Kinda sucks that people actually get damaged  in this game.

At fifteen, I had the will to learn; at thirty, I could stand; at forty, I had no doubts; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding; at sixty, my ears were opened; at seventy, I could do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the square..
Title: Re: hit weakly please!!!
Post by: Kafein on February 06, 2013, 06:47:24 pm
Kinda sucks that people actually get damaged  in this game.

At fifteen, I had the will to learn; at thirty, I could stand; at forty, I had no doubts; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding; at sixty, my ears were opened; at seventy, I could do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the square..

It took me a good 20 seconds to spot this didn't end at "Bidding;"