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Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Panos on February 01, 2013, 09:41:51 pm

Title: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Panos on February 01, 2013, 09:41:51 pm
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"The double-headed eagle is the most recognizable symbol of Orthodoxy today (other than the cross) and was the official state symbol of the late Byzantine Empire, symbolising the unity between the Byzantine Orthodox Church and State, which was governed by the principle of Symphonia or Synallelia, that is, a "symphony" between the civil and the ecclesiastical functions of Christian society."

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Double-headed_eagle

Maybe you should learn some proper Byzantine History before going around saying that two headed banner is Serbian or Albanian..
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Emotion on February 01, 2013, 10:09:06 pm
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"The double-headed eagle is the most recognizable symbol of Orthodoxy today (other than the cross) and was the official state symbol of the late Byzantine Empire, symbolising the unity between the Byzantine Orthodox Church and State, which was governed by the principle of Symphonia or Synallelia, that is, a "symphony" between the civil and the ecclesiastical functions of Christian society."

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Double-headed_eagle

Maybe you should learn some proper Byzantine History before going around saying that two headed banner is Serbian or Albanian..

cool story bro.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Molly on February 01, 2013, 10:09:19 pm
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Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 01, 2013, 10:12:54 pm

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Crown - royal crown of dynasty Karađorđević, it symbolise monarchy
Two headed eagle is old Byzantine sybol that Serbian royal family Nemanjići taken when they entered Byzantine empire.
322. Stefan III later named Dechanski was married to Mary Paleolog,dother to panhipersevast Johan, nephew of byzantine emperor Andronik II.
That 4 B or 4S that we use was resoult of Serbian Greek empire cyz Serbian emperor Dusan the mighty conquered  this

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and used this as symbol

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source of my claims

http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D1%86%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 01, 2013, 10:16:30 pm
Byzantines bringed Serbs to Balkan in 616 year.
They lived in peace with Bulgarians and bouth of nations where loyal to Byzantine emperor.
in 9 century Serbs were converted to christianity. We had wars with Bulgarians and may nobles wanted to liberate from Byz and had wars,but there was also a lot of love. It is too big story to whrite and translate to english.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 01, 2013, 10:21:25 pm
Albanians were atheistic,italians tried to bring them to chantolich religion,but when Turks came they were converted to Islam.
Their state was formed in 1912 so they are youngest nation in Europe. Just look at their color of skin,they are not European.
Dunno about their history cuz they never had state and i hate them. One thing is shure they have nothing in common with Byzantines.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Panos on February 01, 2013, 10:22:13 pm
I hate albanians too.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 01, 2013, 10:25:10 pm
i finaly found it.

Four letters S, modeled on the Byzantine emblem with four Beta, the Serbian coat of arms was introduced by Stefan Lazarević, after he became the Byzantine despot 1402nd year. Later, this symbol became an acronym signifying the motto of Serbia:
Samo sloga Srbina spasava or in English Only unity saves the Serbs.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 01, 2013, 10:38:54 pm
I hate albanians too.
Panos we should be buddies. Serbs hate Turks also.

There was 2 big battles.
Bitka on river Marica in 1371 where Serbian army was drunk and they were slayed on sleep,and after that there was large battle in 1389 on Kosovo field where every Serbian male went to fight vs Ottoman empire.
Bouth armies were destroyed in battle,and Emperor Murat was killed and Stefan was killed too. We loosed too much peaople in that battle and we couldn't recover from that loose for few centuries cuz western chatolic countries fucked us because we were ortodox.
Son of Murat Bayasit went to Turkey and lead rest of his army to Turkey to fight for throne and Serbia lived 90 years more after it fell under Ottoman empire.
Some of people went to Austro-Hungarian empire to live and fight vs Ottomans.
Hussars were Serbian light cavalry that would enter villages  where Turks where and they would kill them and then return to Vojvodina that was part of AH empire.
Bosnians (Kulin's people) were also Serbs but they converted to islam under Ottoman rulembut Serbs sayed ortodox.
While ottoman rule many Serbs died and meny fled to Austro Hungarian empire,and then Tursk bringed gypsies and Albanians to Kosovo to repopulate area and they accepted islam.
So when Yugoslavia fell appart US,Turks and other chatolic countries supported them to take from us our territory and Albanians destroyed almoust all of monasteries that Nemanjic dynasty that was in good relation withy Byzantines built.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Panos on February 01, 2013, 10:48:23 pm
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Mlecke, I`m from the Greeks that yell that Kosovo is Serbian.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 01, 2013, 10:52:47 pm
Oh please Bosnians,Croats,Macedonians,Monteblack in spanishs are so much butthirt when they hear the truth.
We are the same peaople that came here in 7th century. Except you took later islam from Turksm,Croats took chatolic religion from AustroHungarian empire,and rest of nations were under influence of Byzantines.
Shure you were christians before comming of Ottomans,and you sold ur religion to some benefits.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Panos on February 01, 2013, 10:53:16 pm
Taking sides is a dangerous side of history, Panos, don't you know that?

I know it, but Greeks always did that.

As a Greek I hate albanians and Skopjans only, because both of them are gypsie races that are trying to steal our history and make it their own.

edit: that macedonians killed me mlecke  :cry:
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 01, 2013, 10:58:44 pm
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Mlecke, I`m from the Greeks that yell that Kosovo is Serbian.
Dude i totaly support Greece,those Macedonians are stealing ur history.
They build monuments to Greek counquerors like Alexander the Great,the same shit Croats and Albanians are doing to us.
Croats,Bosnians,Monteblack in spanishs,and Serbs are speaking same language because of Serb Vuk KAradzic who made Serbian language,and they are trying now to create their languages from our one. Only difference is dialect,but we speak same language.
Crats are now claming that their  whriting is cyrilic. I mean wtf and Albanians are claming that son of Stefana Nemanje (Nemanjic's dynastu) Rastko or Saint Sava that fought for our church is Albanian. :lol:
They don't have their own history so they are stealing our. 
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 01, 2013, 11:02:10 pm
Let's assume what you say is true. What difference does it make? 1000 years ago we were all Serbs, 100.000 years ago we were all monkey, 1,000.000 years ago were were simple-celled organisms, 100 years from now we might not even exist at all. Your point? Besides your obvious attempt to try to start a flame war (even you admit that so many get angry when they hear "the truth"), I see no point.
you said that i am not speaking the truth.
I just don't get it why would someone deny it? Shure Bosnian have history,but why deny part of it?
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: the real god emperor on February 01, 2013, 11:07:29 pm
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This is the Eagle of Palaiologos Dynasty of Byzantine Empire, according to Turkish websites.

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And this is the coat of arms of Serbia

So you can use the banner for both Bogumili and Bandits, argument over? :P
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Kafein on February 01, 2013, 11:08:02 pm
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Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 01, 2013, 11:13:10 pm
White bicephalic eagle of the Nemanjić dynasty on red field The Second Serbian Empire (1513–1524)

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Flag of Dušan the Mighty (1339–?)

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Emperor Dusan the Mighty (he is the one in heraldic tranny on purple horsie)

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claims

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Serbia

Kratos that is later flag. See motherfuckers.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 01, 2013, 11:16:07 pm
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this is actualy should be posted on History section,not here. But anyway leshma was wrong so i feel like i should teach some history to someone who is interested to read it.
If you don't like it nobody is forcing you to post. :)
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Panos on February 01, 2013, 11:18:35 pm
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oh yeah, I forgot that we live in the era of anarchism and that you should be shunned if you are a Patriot.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 01, 2013, 11:30:28 pm
oh yeah, I forgot that we live in the era of anarchism and that you should be shunned if you are a Patriot.
They are pissed off cuz they don't have history so they are are trying to bring others to their level.
Or their history is opposite of what are they now. biggest chocolate chip cookies ( :lol: censured) are not right oriented people or extreme nationalists but those who  are telling about unity and how history is not important and they are calling everyone who is not like them fachist,or chocolate chip cookie,or nationalist.
Like being nationalistic is something wrong.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Miwiw on February 01, 2013, 11:55:43 pm
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I made a map to explain it in more detail

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Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: wayyyyyne on February 02, 2013, 12:00:32 am
This discussion is redundant anyway. Grease will never reclaim its lost clay. Deal with it, Panos.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 02, 2013, 12:04:42 am
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Hey Panos i must ask you this bro. are you shure that ur banner is showing a Byzantine eagle because that eagle looks like Russian coat of arms except Russian have saint George istead of 4b.

Here is the pic.
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Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Panos on February 02, 2013, 12:05:49 am
its the same thing, russians took it aswell from Byzantium.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Kirman on February 02, 2013, 12:08:12 am
Panos we should be buddies. Serbs hate Turks also.


Panos, do you hate me?  :lol:
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: donib on February 02, 2013, 12:08:15 am
This thread should be erased from the internet
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: BASNAK on February 02, 2013, 12:10:08 am
Im Albanian and this has to be the far most retarded thread I read so far.

My favourite quote "Just look at their color of skin,they are not European.
Dunno about their history cuz they never had state and i hate them. One thing is shure they have nothing in common with Byzantines."


I freaking rival the sun over how white I am.
Discussing Balkan History is also stupid, because everyone just denies everything and no one can prove shit.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 02, 2013, 12:20:47 am

Discussing Balkan History is also stupid, because everyone just denies everything and no one can prove shit.

shure that we can't proove anything... :rolleyes:

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theese are kids that can't leave their house because Albanians have nasty habit of killing whole families as vengance for death of one man.
That is why they all have big walls arrount their houses. There is 900 children in Albania that can't leave their houses because of Gjakmarja or blood vengance.

http://www.021.rs/Info/Zanimljivosti/Tri-decaka-zbog-krvne-osvete-od-rodenja-nisu-izasli-iz-kuce.html

Read the article and translate it to Enlgish.

Some pics

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so you say you are from Europe. i don't think so.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Leshma on February 02, 2013, 12:21:36 am
This thread is too much even for me :shock:
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: baybars on February 02, 2013, 12:23:54 am
this just showed me that the serb here is a BIG RACIST. op is a waste of the worlds resources
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: donib on February 02, 2013, 12:26:29 am
Ooh a mosque, masha allah, how is that un european?
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 02, 2013, 12:27:18 am
this just showed me that the serb here is a BIG RACIST. op is a waste of the worlds resources

Albanian is nation,not a race so i don't know how i am racist?
Or what part of my posts are racist. I was just telling history of my people and some of u guys came and start telling shit.
I can live with that,but don't flame and call me racist.
You have different opinion,then start another thread and tell me ur history. I would like to know it too.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: BASNAK on February 02, 2013, 12:29:09 am
Great, Name the thread "Hate on Turks/Albanians/Bosnians etc. And thread info: We're still stuck in the Medieval era and have to look back and cant look into the future and forget all the past retardation.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: baybars on February 02, 2013, 12:30:33 am
Albanian is nation,not a race so i don't know how i am racist?
Or what part of my posts are racist. I was just telling history of my people and some of u guys came and start telling shit.
I can live with that,but don't flame and call me racist.
You have different opinion,then start another thread and tell me ur history. I would like to know it too.

btw im not albanian, im neutral and to me you are a biggot, i would happily share my meal with a albanian but every serb i know always talk and blab on about albanians, it just shows me that serbs are trying extra hard to justify the lies they spout
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 02, 2013, 12:31:24 am
This thread belong in history part not offtopic,and if you guys werent in game when Panos,Leshma,Kulin and me got into argument then you have no idea about what is this thread.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Panos on February 02, 2013, 12:31:47 am
btw im not albanian, im neutral and to me you are a biggot, i would happily share my meal with a albanian but every serb i know always talk and blab on about albanians, it just shows me that serbs are trying extra hard to justify the lies they spout

probably the albanian would steal you after you feed him  :twisted:
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: donib on February 02, 2013, 12:35:08 am
in 9 century Serbs were converted to christianity.

Oh please Bosnians,Croats,Macedonians,Monteblack in spanishs are so much butthirt when they hear the truth.
We are the same peaople that came here in 7th century. Except you took later islam from Turksm,Croats took chatolic religion

Whats ur point here? You also took a religion that didnt belong to you before as you said now so what is wrong? And yet serbs always use that argument to demonize those who took islam from the turks, as if it was a political move.

Besides serbs are Slaves who migrated, us Bosnians are the real indigenous people balablablabla,

sigh, i am not gonna lower myself to this level, hell i dont even care about my history or people, bosnians today say they are muslim, they are born like that and now it is part of their identity, but most of them dont care, they go party at bajram in cafes and drink alcohol anyway :/
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 02, 2013, 12:39:38 am
btw im not albanian, im neutral and to me you are a biggot, i would happily share my meal with a albanian but every serb i know always talk and blab on about albanians, it just shows me that serbs are trying extra hard to justify the lies they spout
Shure you would,cuz you don't have any idea what ih happening here in Balkan.
You probably didn't ever read that Albanians  exiled 250 000 Serbs out of Kosovo,you didn't read anywhere in ur media that Albanians burned over 100 ortodox monasteries from 11 century,you never heard about taking organs from kidnaped Serbian civilians,you never heard about Serbian graveyards that Albanians destroyed.
Every nation on Balkan is hating eachother and moust of them were forced to live in one state during communist era. so when Yugoslavia went appart civil war between people started and we god exiled from everywhere. So this is very sensitive topic to interfeere if you are not from here and you are telling like you do.

Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: Mlekce on February 02, 2013, 12:42:24 am
Whats ur point here? You also took a religion that didnt belong to you before as you said now so what is wrong? And yet serbs always use that argument to demonize those who took islam from the turks, as if it was a political move.

Besides serbs are Slaves who migrated, us Bosnians are the real indigenous people balablablabla,

sigh, i am not gonna lower myself to this level, hell i dont even care about my history or people, bosnians today say they are muslim, they are born like that and now it is part of their identity, but most of them dont care, they go party at bajram in cafes and drink alcohol anyway :/

There is no point,just history facts.
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: the real god emperor on February 02, 2013, 12:43:45 am
Warning - while you were reading 12 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Omg. Stop it :D You guys are discussing for nothing actually,
Title: Re: Kulin, Leshma please read this..
Post by: baybars on February 02, 2013, 12:44:14 am
Shure you would,cuz you don't have any idea what ih happening here in Balkan.
You probably didn't ever read that Albanians  exiled 250 000 Serbs out of Kosovo,you didn't read anywhere in ur media that Albanians burned over 100 ortodox monasteries from 11 century,you never heard about taking organs from kidnaped Serbian civilians,you never heard about Serbian graveyards that Albanians destroyed.
Every nation on Balkan is hating eachother and moust of them were forced to live in one state during communist era. so when Yugoslavia went appart civil war between people started and we god exiled from everywhere. So this is very sensitive topic to interfeere if you are not from here and you are telling like you do.

well it seems to me that serbs are not native to that region either so technically your not from that area either
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Post by: Mlekce on February 02, 2013, 12:46:25 am
Retard we were there for 1500 years. We didn't come from Mars or yesterday.
That is like telling Jews didn't belong to Europe and it is ok that chocolate chip cookies killed them. Are you that much dumb?