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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Guides => Topic started by: TheAppleSauceMan on January 29, 2013, 07:23:56 pm
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I'm currently level 32, 21/15 1h. Soon to be 33. I need help deciding between 24/15 and getting my PS and IF to 8 or 21/18 with ATH, SHIELD, and WM to 6. The drawback to going 24/15 would be that I'd have an unused skill point, and I don't think I'll ever hit 34, so a bit of a waste. Also, if I went 21/18, I'd probably put my extra WPF into xbow (which would be about 80). So which way do you guys think I should go? And if more AGI, will 80 xbow be decent with a regular xbow?
ALSO; Sorry if this belongs in the Beginner's section, but I figured more people who could help me would see it here. (veteran shielders anyone?) Plus this isn't exactly a thread asking for beginner's help. But sorry if it still doesn't belong here. :?
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21/18
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ug, i cant play as a shield with less than 6 ath. Even thats a bit low, but since you seem to be an IF baby, you can probably take one or two more hits. I suggest going 21/18 with the 6 ath.
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21/18
Any reasoning why?
ug, i cant play as a shield with less than 6 ath. Even thats a bit low, but since you seem to be an IF baby, you can probably take one or two more hits. I suggest going 21/18 with the 6 ath.
Well 5 has been plenty for me, but of course I wouldn't complain about having more. I use the military cleaver so I don't really have any problems with reach, and it hits pretty hard. Just need to decide if I want to hit a little harder, or move fast and have a sturdier shield, and maybe use an xbow.
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get some riding :D
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Any reasoning why?
More durable shield, faster and better possibility for an xbow sidearm. Don't need 8 ps and 8 if as a shielder anyway, however the extra athletics really helps a lot.
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21/18
This would be a fantastic choice. I personally went on a modification of this though, and at level 30 was a 21/18 (No IF and only 3WM), and at level 33 I'm now a 24/18 build. This allows me to hit like a truck even when using fast weapons, and absolutely punish people with the fun weapons like a MW Warhammer, I have the athletics to be mobile and the shield skill is 48% Damage Reduction (6*8) so it never really breaks. To each their own though, but this also allows the build to grow at levels higher then 33 by having room in other shielder related skills.
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This would be a fantastic choice. I personally went on a modification of this though, and at level 30 was a 21/18 (No IF and only 3WM), and at level 33 I'm now a 24/18 build. This allows me to hit like a truck even when using fast weapons, and absolutely punish people with the fun weapons like a MW Warhammer, I have the athletics to be mobile and the shield skill is 48% Damage Reduction (6*8) so it never really breaks. To each their own though, but this also allows the build to grow at levels higher then 33 by having room in other shielder related skills.
You can still hit hard even with 7 ps and IF and WM make big difference especially when loomed armour.
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Ive got the best choice for you:
1)Reach 33
2)Go to the Crpg page
3)Respec to 2h you moron
4)Profit from your OPness and bask in the glory of easy kills :P
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Depends on your armor weight. If you have heavy armor, you are probably better maximizing the number of hits you can survive, going the STR way. If you have light armor, agility will grant you a similar damage output increase but also a better handling of your character. Globally, agility will increase the number of your own attacks that hit. Also, if you want to hybrid with anything, choose 21/18.
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24/15 is the way to go.
Just wear less armor so you can still be fast.
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21/18 (I personally to level 33 I had opted for 21/21)
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Thank you all for the help, it is much appreciated!
I honestly don't think I'll ever hit 34, I'll probably end up retiring after a little while, so I'm leaning towards 21/18 so I can add some variety with the xbow. Plus I just really hate the idea of having a forever un-used skill point if I go STR. Plus I messed with the Calculator a bit and tested the damage increase from 7 to 8 PS and the difference is extremely minimal. I feel being faster, having a sturdier shield, and having the possibility of an xbow would be better for me in the long run. Still have some time to decide but definitely leaning towards 21/18 at the moment. Really appreciate the help guys.
Also; Eyebeat, you're SO close to 34. I'm jealous.
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I'm a little bit late but 21/18 is the way to go. Personally I'm a skill build literally being able to use everything. Twas difficult but if I had gone 21/18 all the way I'd fuck shit up. Anyways you already made your mind it seems, and it was a good choice:D GL and HF
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you should listen to eyebeat, 24/15 is the way to go - the armor really does make you ALOT faster if you don't wear any. You will be able to catch most archers with really light armor. You just have to be quick on the rightmousebutton.
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you should listen to eyebeat, 24/15 is the way to go - the armor really does make you ALOT faster if you don't wear any. You will be able to catch most archers with really light armor. You just have to be quick on the rightmousebutton.
Well I use Heraldic Mail with Tabard, and don't really have any speed problems except on super agi builds, which is why I think 21/18 would be even better, then I can catch most everyone and be an archer hunter, not to mention the added bonus of being able to use an xbow!
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24/15 is a good heavy infantry build. Get into the fray, defend teamates, and make that one decisive blow when there is an opening. But it can get boring.
Personally I'm going for 18/24 infantry at level 32. I won't have any ironflesh or WM til higher levels, but with only 1h wpf I don't need to level it that badly, and 8 shield skill more than makes up for some missing hit points.
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21str is enough for most infantry builds. You must remember that your biggest damage variation will come from held attacks and speed bonus from movement.
So 18agi is minimum, 21 preferable. This will give you good footwork and a chance to move into your swings thus hitting much harder. Its also the most valuable survival stat, since running from a gank will save your life.
I echo gurnison in that 21/18 is the best for lvl30, and rhaegar about 21/21 for higher level.
Im 21/21 right now in a 1h/noshield spec, really fast and agile yet the swings connect and the stab is nasty(side sword atm)
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Truth be told, both agility and strength are equally important stats for a shielder. The shielder requires agi because low shield skill does a minor difference and athletics is needed to compensate the speed loss from shields. The shielder also requires strength to hit hard when there is an opening. Shielder is all about mastering the art of switching between the defensive and offensive stances. As a shielder spots an opening in the enemy, he/she has only one hit chance; so strength is required to hit hard to make that hit count and agility is required to create more of these openings. Thus, 21/18 I think is the best choice.
There are other factors/tactics too of course, but this is the specialty of a shielder. So it has to master the opening tactic mostly to fulfill it's role best.
The build can be dependant on the weapon you're using of course. For example the thrust oriented swords or blunt/pierce weapons require a differently optimized builds I think. Though I think long and cutting swords are overall better for a shielder. That is my preference of course.
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consider 18/18 for a well balanced and versatile build.
Can take full IF or WM that way for more survivability or good secondary (polearm/xbow) wpf.
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If you focus on Agi/speed : take a short and powerfull weapon (axe, hammer etc.)
If you focus on PS : take a long and fast sword (elite scimitar, Italian sword etc.)
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I'm not sure why people love 21/18 so much. My choice would be 18/21; the extra athletics helps you a lot more compared to extra PS in my opinion.
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I'm not sure why people love 21/18 so much. My choice would be 18/21; the extra athletics helps you a lot more compared to extra PS in my opinion.
You also get more hitpoints. :) I really like both builds.
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24/18
4if
8ps
6ath
5shi
3wm
Winwinwinwinwin
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I'm not sure why people love 21/18 so much. My choice would be 18/21; the extra athletics helps you a lot more compared to extra PS in my opinion.
Because it's not possible? He asked what way to go at high level, being 21/15 already, which implies either 24/15 and 21/18, not 18/21.
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21str is enough for most infantry builds. You must remember that your biggest damage variation will come from held attacks and speed bonus from movement.
So 18agi is minimum, 21 preferable. This will give you good footwork and a chance to move into your swings thus hitting much harder. Its also the most valuable survival stat, since running from a gank will save your life.
I echo gurnison in that 21/18 is the best for lvl30, and rhaegar about 21/21 for higher level.
Im 21/21 right now in a 1h/noshield spec, really fast and agile yet the swings connect and the stab is nasty(side sword atm)
I chose 21/21 at level 33 improving other skills to level 34