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Title: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Prpavi on January 29, 2013, 12:05:04 pm
So i watched it this weekend, friends and i had the tickets reserved for the movies but when we all gathered at my place we decided it was too cold and blah blah, we just DL it and watched @ home ( chicks complained why did they bother getting all dressed up... typical)

We ordered pizza, light a joint a started watcing the movie. Now the movie isnt all that bad but a series of circumstances made me quite irritated (nothing to do with the movie) and in the end after 3 hours of movie and over 4 alltogether i found myself to be quite irritated, depleted, tired and found the movie to be crap.

Now my question is how did you guys like the movie, because i sure as hell didn't but since its Tarantino i'll give it another go all by myself, focused, my mobile phone turned off...

I did however catch a few brilliant  moments that are so typical of Tarantino and that makes me believe there is more to it than i saw.

What do u think?
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Rumblood on January 29, 2013, 06:14:26 pm
Sounds like you didn't watch it. So you were talking on your phone and paused the movie for a cumulative hour? Like reading The Lord of the Rings while driving your car over the course of 2 years with your wife trying to talk to you the whole time. Sure, you flipped through the pages and may even recall some passages, but you didn't read and absorb the story.
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Prpavi on January 29, 2013, 06:33:11 pm
Sounds like you didn't watch it. So you were talking on your phone and paused the movie for a cumulative hour? Like reading The Lord of the Rings while driving your car over the course of 2 years with your wife trying to talk to you the whole time. Sure, you flipped through the pages and may even recall some passages, but you didn't read and absorb the story.

Did you watch the movie?
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Tibe on January 29, 2013, 06:50:45 pm
Good movie it was. Tarantino is simply genius.
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Post by: Paul on January 29, 2013, 06:53:49 pm
I liked it. It's consequent.
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Rumblood on January 29, 2013, 08:39:24 pm
Did you watch the movie?

Yes, and I'll be watching it again when it comes to Redbox.

Good movie it was. Tarantino is simply genius.

He and I are roughly the same age and it is obvious that we had the same influences growing up. Love his movies.  :wink:
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Kelugarn on January 31, 2013, 03:44:20 am
You really should go watch it again in theaters. It's amazing in almost every way possible.
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: okiN on January 31, 2013, 10:33:13 am
I liked it. It's consequent.

...consequent to what?

Do you mean consequential? As in, significant?
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on January 31, 2013, 11:53:04 am
Great acting - DiCaprio and Foxx never disappoint. Ridiculous story, but since Tarantino haven't shot any remotely realistic movies since Reservoir Dogs - i got what i paid for :) In short, if you like Kill Bill, there is more of that in Django - good old Tarantino dialogues and lots of sudden violent deaths.
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Paul on January 31, 2013, 01:08:48 pm
As in consistent.
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Angantyr on January 31, 2013, 01:17:35 pm
Haven't watched it yet, but looking forward to seeing Leonardo DiCaprio in his the antagonist role, sounds quite promising. Also, the 70s pulp Western and 80s Spaghetti Western references suits me very well. Also, never a bad thing for the public to be reminded of how short time ago slavery and apartheid was commonplace in the US.
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: okiN on January 31, 2013, 02:05:12 pm
Also, never a bad thing for the public to be reminded of how short time ago slavery and apartheid was commonplace in the US.

Those are two very different things, though. Slavery went out in the eighteen-sixties, apartheid lasted another hundred years.
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Rumblood on January 31, 2013, 05:50:31 pm
Great acting - DiCaprio and Foxx never disappoint. Ridiculous story, but since Tarantino haven't shot any remotely realistic movies since Reservoir Dogs - i got what i paid for :) In short, if you like Kill Bill, there is more of that in Django - good old Tarantino dialogues and lots of sudden violent deaths.

Both of them did a good job, not to mention Samuel L. Jackson! Damn he was funny  :lol: I was really happy to see Christoph Waltz get a chance to be the good guy. I liked him in Inglorious Bastards as the evil (yet so cool and collected) German and he was a real bastard in Water for Elephants. He played the good guy just as convincingly.
Oh yeah, there were a number of cameo's. Also fun picking out the various actors who had small roles.
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Laufknoten on January 31, 2013, 06:43:58 pm
Well DiCaprio was great just as Samuel L. Jackson. Foxx wasn't as bad as I fought he would be and Waltz was just Waltz.
The movie itself wasn't bad, but not his best movie either and in no way "brilliant".

On another note I'm really fed up with this Tarantino hype... 
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 31, 2013, 07:07:30 pm
It was a good movie, not one of his best.  Great acting/dialogue, decent story, good amount of action.  Really find yourself rooting for the good guys. 
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.  There were at least 3 spots of the movie where I was like "I highly doubt they'd be getting out of that situation".

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Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: okiN on January 31, 2013, 07:33:54 pm
Was really pissed (but saw it coming) when Waltz pulled out his derringer.  There were at least 3 spots of the movie where I was like "I highly doubt they'd be getting out of that situation".

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Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on January 31, 2013, 07:40:00 pm
I've got to say (and I know I'm in the minority, here), I found the film's storytelling to be really lazy. Yes, the acting was terrific (besides Foxx), and there were some stellar moments (thinking of the head-sack scene), but in general there were just too many convenient or ill-explained things for me to feel immersed.

Jamie Foxx felt like a modern man, not a freed slave. He had skills and abilities that no systematically abused and suppressed individual would ever possess. Everyone is amazed to see him riding a horse in the beginning. Well, that begs a good question - how the hell does he know how to ride a horse? Now, could a freed slave gain those skills? Absolutely. But we got no sense of his growth once given his freedom. He just jumped up and kicked everything's ass. No progression whatsoever. I mean, that line from the preview everyone keeps repeating: "Getting paid to kill white people? What's not to love?" Well, at least until he had spent some time in the world, someone who had spent his entire life toiling in a cotton field would have no sense of what "getting paid" even entails. Mercantilism, capitalism, personal possessions, wealth, all of that... their value is in the way they make room for choice - something totally foreign to him, which would be more intimidating than anything else, at least until he learned the ropes.

And the villains... outside of DiCaprio, they were utterly 1-dimentional. No substance there - just monsters to be destroyed. Again, lazy storytelling. At least Kill Bill (which I mention because it was also a revenge yarn) gave its villains real character, with their own motivations and insights.

I think Terantino is losing his edge. His early work was thoughtful, edgy, sophisticated... Django felt to me more like an action-oriented fart joke.

And, in a world where 100% of gunshots are perfect bullseyes, do we really feel impressed when someone hits a bullseye?

There is just so much emotional content to be explored in a story about freedom, vengeance, realizing what it means to be an independent human man, etc. So much power. And Django didn't take up any of it. Could have been a long music video for Nelly's "Here comes the boom".
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Arn_Magnusson on January 31, 2013, 08:06:55 pm
I understand the person above, but I think it's a matter of "turn on" at Tarantino's films, you've got to thnik: this is Quentin.

I really, really liked that film - it was climatic (dunno if in english this means, what I mean ;_;), long scenes were +, for me ;) Waltz was perfect, but simple, but still the film (which rarely happens to me) was unexpecting, but mabye it's just a matter of my thinking: "Damn, it's Tarantino everything can happen, or..." and so, and so. And also the films, in a funny way' says that beeing nigga or silk it's in your mind ;)

Pulp Fiction on Wild West ;) Tarantino in form.
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Post by: Rumblood on January 31, 2013, 10:36:23 pm
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Post by: Commodore_Axephante on February 01, 2013, 03:27:39 pm
In regards to Rumblood and Okin's spoiler-hidden discussion - my explanation -
... Again, lazy storytelling.
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Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Angantyr on February 06, 2013, 03:33:48 am
Those are two very different things, though. Slavery went out in the eighteen-sixties, apartheid lasted another hundred years.
Did I write anything to the contrary?  :P
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Angantyr on February 06, 2013, 03:55:29 am
@Commodore_Axephante,
Haven't watched it yet and as such have no opinion on its value as a movie, but I think I can glean the genre from just looking at the cover and reading reviews; this is an intended pulp movie, a simplistic and often lurid tale, with much action and few psychological thrills - never meant to be realistic.

We can agree that old Tarantino movies are better than the newer ones, though.
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on February 06, 2013, 05:24:17 am
@Commodore_Axephante,
Haven't watched it yet and as such have no opinion on its value as a movie, but I think I can glean the genre from just looking at the cover and reading reviews; this is an intended pulp movie, a simplistic and often lurid tale, with much action and few psychological thrills - never meant to be realistic.

We can agree that old Tarantino movies are better than the newer ones, though.

I guess I am just never convinced that a story can't tick all the boxes at once. Seems like he aims low, these days. I mean, wasn't Pulp Fiction a pulp movie, hence the name? And that thought provoking, wherever possible, I thought.

But yeah, lets all just settle on that peaceful place of agreement: the man used to do it better.

...except I really loved Deathproof, and that was on the newer side.
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: bilwit on February 06, 2013, 06:11:11 am
I've got to say (and I know I'm in the minority, here), I found the film's storytelling to be really lazy. Yes, the acting was terrific (besides Foxx), and there were some stellar moments (thinking of the head-sack scene), but in general there were just too many convenient or ill-explained things for me to feel immersed.

Jamie Foxx felt like a modern man, not a freed slave. He had skills and abilities that no systematically abused and suppressed individual would ever possess. Everyone is amazed to see him riding a horse in the beginning. Well, that begs a good question - how the hell does he know how to ride a horse? Now, could a freed slave gain those skills? Absolutely. But we got no sense of his growth once given his freedom. He just jumped up and kicked everything's ass. No progression whatsoever. I mean, that line from the preview everyone keeps repeating: "Getting paid to kill white people? What's not to love?" Well, at least until he had spent some time in the world, someone who had spent his entire life toiling in a cotton field would have no sense of what "getting paid" even entails. Mercantilism, capitalism, personal possessions, wealth, all of that... their value is in the way they make room for choice - something totally foreign to him, which would be more intimidating than anything else, at least until he learned the ropes.

And the villains... outside of DiCaprio, they were utterly 1-dimentional. No substance there - just monsters to be destroyed. Again, lazy storytelling. At least Kill Bill (which I mention because it was also a revenge yarn) gave its villains real character, with their own motivations and insights.

I think Terantino is losing his edge. His early work was thoughtful, edgy, sophisticated... Django felt to me more like an action-oriented fart joke.

And, in a world where 100% of gunshots are perfect bullseyes, do we really feel impressed when someone hits a bullseye?

There is just so much emotional content to be explored in a story about freedom, vengeance, realizing what it means to be an independent human man, etc. So much power. And Django didn't take up any of it. Could have been a long music video for Nelly's "Here comes the boom".

That's because you didn't understand what was going on. Not every movie is supposed to be a gritty, socio-political and realistic take where everything is laid out to you. It's a genre film. It's literally a Spaghetti Western as opposed to a story set in the pre-civil war era. It's supposed to be over the top, surrealistic at times, linear and have archetypal characters with the overall premise being the knight who goes on a journey to save the princess at the top of the hill (in which they even say as much). It's a throwback to all those classic Spaghetti Western movies of old. It's not even exactly a statement about slavery or whatever outside of "this is the story, this is the historical setting in which it takes place and deal with it."

The craft is in the situations he puts his characters in and how they deal with it. People love Tarantino because the main attraction is the colorful characters he comes up with and the awkward places they find themselves, with rythmic back-and-forth between them leading up to shit hitting the fan. I agree that it's not exactly as crafty/complex/whatever as his other films but that's the point of intentionally making a genre film: it's not supposed to be.
Title: Re: Django Unchained impressions
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on February 06, 2013, 06:06:13 pm
That's because you didn't understand what was going on. Not every movie is supposed to be a gritty, socio-political and realistic take where everything is laid out to you. It's a genre film. It's literally a Spaghetti Western as opposed to a story set in the pre-civil war era. It's supposed to be over the top, surrealistic at times, linear and have archetypal characters with the overall premise being the knight who goes on a journey to save the princess at the top of the hill (in which they even say as much). It's a throwback to all those classic Spaghetti Western movies of old. It's not even exactly a statement about slavery or whatever outside of "this is the story, this is the historical setting in which it takes place and deal with it."

The craft is in the situations he puts his characters in and how they deal with it. People love Tarantino because the main attraction is the colorful characters he comes up with and the awkward places they find themselves, with rythmic back-and-forth between them leading up to shit hitting the fan. I agree that it's not exactly as crafty/complex/whatever as his other films but that's the point of intentionally making a genre film: it's not supposed to be.

I feel you man - I understand. But as I see it, that's the definition of lazy storytelling. True, there are entire genres built around lazy storytelling, but to me, that doesn't make it any less lazy.

EDIT: and hey, "gritty, socio-political and realistic" and fun are not mutually exclusive.

But hey, the film was a blockbuster and most people loved it - clearly I'm on the wrong side of history. I can see that clear enough.