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Title: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on January 29, 2013, 03:09:58 am
Please carefully observe these two recorded examples of griefing. I wish to know whether you can conclude both cases require the same level of punishment, whether one case requires more punishment or the other less than the other.

 Both players in these instances were banned for 1 day each on all EU servers. 

Exhibit A. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Tt8rGrBSvPE

Exhibit B. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cqk4Wl7GBGo

Your sensible opinion is valued, fair citizens of Capua.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Nightingale on January 29, 2013, 03:18:53 am
in my opinion, both deserve punishment, however the second video ban should be longer. tw'ing and griefing vs just griefing.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Tears of Destiny on January 29, 2013, 03:31:17 am
The problem arises in that there are no exact guidelines and everyone is free to ban however long they choose (Look at the idiotic 12 hour bans that NA sometimes does, where after a person logs off they are banned for 12 hours... Which means the next time they log on they will neither know nor care...).


Different Admins, different mentalities.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Bronto on January 29, 2013, 03:38:05 am
This is Calradia not capua, you should also be banned :D
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Panos on January 29, 2013, 03:41:47 am
Elmuri you know that I like you mate, but this was a bad decision to make.

Murmis punches didnt even take like 10% of Florian`s  :lol: HP.

Getting banned for punching someone is a bit wrong..
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Nightingale on January 29, 2013, 03:44:21 am
Elmuri you know that I like you mate, but this was a bad decision to make.

Murmis punches didnt even take like 10% of Florian`s  :lol: HP.

Getting banned for punching someone is a bit wrong..

The guy in the second video also hits him with his sword as well.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Panos on January 29, 2013, 03:50:04 am
The guy in the second video also hits him with his sword as well.

I was only talking about Murmis case.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on January 29, 2013, 03:50:23 am
My brain is short-circuiting at the moment. The first video is Murmillus Prime slightly griefing someone and this thread is obviously intended to cause punishment on the offenders....aren't you Murmillus Prime? (going by forum name) Are you really posting a video of yourself trying to get yourself in trouble? Or am I missing something here....
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Nightingale on January 29, 2013, 05:28:35 am
My brain is short-circuiting at the moment. The first video is Murmillus Prime slightly griefing someone and this thread is obviously intended to cause punishment on the offenders....aren't you Murmillus Prime? (going by forum name) Are you really posting a video of yourself trying to get yourself in trouble? Or am I missing something here....

I think someone used that video against him, and he got banned for an hour based on Griefing that thrower. He made a unrelated video about something completely different and then the guy got banned for the same time he did and he believes that it isn't exactly fair that both of those people punished received the same amount of time.

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Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 29, 2013, 06:33:05 am
i think both of you were behaving like little kids. the videos probably show only half of what is done. I think the best option is to make them join a ts with an admin and talk about it, like you would do with kids. if you start banning, one of the two will feel like the admins are choosing side, while the other one wont stop bragging about it in-game. both sides have to stop this childish behavious.

thats how i would look it at it objectively and how i would handle as somebody with a position of power (in this case it would be an admin or the leader of a clan)
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Count_Curtis on January 29, 2013, 06:40:12 am
This thread is pretty much a ban request. lock it or something. doesnt belong here
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Torost on January 29, 2013, 07:17:31 am
Both griefers deserve a months ban...

There should be no quarter given for traitors and saboteurs on the battlefield.

Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Largg on January 29, 2013, 08:19:01 am
First video is perfect example why this game needs more emoticons and taunts. A perfectly friendly misunderstanding leading to aggression and ban.

As a serious note I'm always up for goofing and "not serious" play, I've played this way too much to be competitive all the time. In fact one reason I'm not enjoying this game so much anymore is most people playing serious bear. I guess some people at certain times can get annoyed by that goofy stuff but I'm still not sure if it's worth a ban.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Meow on January 29, 2013, 08:48:14 am
Don't grief and tw your team or deal with the consequences.

If you want to be unbanned post an unban request.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Elmuri on January 29, 2013, 10:12:46 am
Imo it was quite clear that you tried to provoke him to teamhit you.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Macropus on January 29, 2013, 10:25:22 am
IMO both cases deserve equial ban duration.
Let me explain why.
In the first video what you did is basically not letting the guy to fight vs his enemies and not contributing to team yourself. You also knew that there's no way to punish such kind of behaviour except recording video (which is rare to happen), and that fact makes it even worse in my eyes. Also note that this was pretty annoying.  :)
In the second video that guy teamhit his ally, which is ofc also bad, but it didn't break the game for this guy more than in first case...

Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Osiris on January 29, 2013, 11:34:57 am
I seem to remember you insulting him for several rounds in a row too murm ^^
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on January 29, 2013, 12:27:04 pm
Yes I trolled Pomme. Why though?

The day before Pomme submitted a request to get me banned. He had claimed I team attacked him but had no proof of this. This all started after I punched him with my fists in a friendly manner at spawn and he reported me. The following round he team attacked me with his jav in melee mode but I didn't think anything else of it, as far as I was concerned it was a small incident no one got killed and didn't warrant the time and attention of the admins.

Yesterday I learned that Pomme had made a ban request on me. I was annoyed. Not only because from my point of view the situation hadn't escalated further from what had initially happened but also because he was as complicit as myself and more so. So in revenge displaying my normal true trolling nature I embarked on a small campaign of silliness which did not last longer than two rounds. He did not land a single hit on me and when the enemy started biting my ass in the clip he submitted I instantly turned around and started attacking the enemies.

Later on after I embarked on some verbal trolling and  a small amount of stalking on Pomme, as a result his clan mate team attacks me with his sword and calls me names and claims is going to get me banned. In response I turn fraps on and continue stalking just so I can capture any further instances on video so I can finally get my own form of justice instead of continously being portrayed as the villain.

In my clip you can see when I report Jack it's the third report yet I did not report him for the multiple punches he landed on me during the clip, this is because he had team attacked me the previous round with his sword. Thus the recorded instance of being team attacked by Jack_Strodrole was the second instance but the only one I could clearly prove. There is a two second delay in my clip because I stop recording when I believe that my stalking would not bear fruit but then immediately hit the record button when he pulls his sword out, and that's why there's a small gap in my clip.

I get banned for a day for jerking around but not team attacking someone.

Pomme  does not get punished, who not only makes pointless ban requests they can't prove who's also complicit in team attacking and also gets their clan mate to team attack someone on multiple occasions.

My conclusion is someone else needs to be punished here, and someone needs to be punished more so for committing a greater crime and that's not myself.

/dramathread
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Molly on January 29, 2013, 12:36:34 pm
Well, in all fairness, those Encocheurs-guys or w/e they call themselves, are trouble on EU1 for quite some time now.

They punched or TH`d intentionally on several occasions but EU1 being quite relaxed on those things for some time now, barely anyone cares to report nowadays.

Not sure if I am defending/helping Murmi here or not... Guess I am more stating an observation I've made for some time now. Take it as what it is: an opinion.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 29, 2013, 12:39:05 pm
My 7ps + hourglass gauntlets hurt those peasants too!
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on January 29, 2013, 02:17:01 pm
The problem with your story is that what you're basically saying is that you broke the rules because you were falsely accused for breaking the rules.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Teeth on January 29, 2013, 02:26:39 pm
These videos show you griefing and him teamwounding, both get banned for 1 day, which is the lowest punishment that is actually a punishment in my opinion. I don't see any problems here.

What the second video also implies is that his teamwounding might be a result of you griefing him. Provoking people, recording their reaction to your provocations, then prancing around like a happy pony with the evidence you have, that does not make you look good at all.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Havoco on January 29, 2013, 02:35:04 pm
FREE BJORD
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on January 29, 2013, 02:45:47 pm
The problem with your story is that what you're basically saying is that you broke the rules because you were falsely accused for breaking the rules.

The problem with my story is that apparently acting like a fool warrrants equal punishment to team attacking players purposely. Taking into account I was once banned in the past for three days for team attacking someone in retaliation to being team killed by that player who also recieved an equal punishment. It seems to me that people who not only cross the line but snap it in half get treated the same as people who stick one foot over the line. No proportional decision made, which I thought would be the bare minimum consideration when punishing a player. If you're going to use your admin powers, or your judgement could you admins at least try to be rational in your decision making. Not too much to ask?
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Zox_Fury on January 29, 2013, 03:10:12 pm
When i watched the vid of your trolling seriously i was surpised by the self control of Pomme... wow you troll'd like hell and despite that you complained ....

You are unbelievable...
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 29, 2013, 03:13:50 pm
Heavy trolling lol
All i read at first was" punched him" somewhere
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Count_Curtis on January 29, 2013, 03:21:48 pm
Didn't think you was such a bumsore twat murmillarse prune
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: [ptx] on January 29, 2013, 03:24:18 pm
The problem with my story is that apparently acting like a fool warrrants equal punishment to team attacking players purposely. Taking into account I was once banned in the past for three days for team attacking someone in retaliation to being team killed by that player who also recieved an equal punishment. It seems to me that people who not only cross the line but snap it in half get treated the same as people who stick one foot over the line. No proportional decision made, which I thought would be the bare minimum consideration when punishing a player. If you're going to use your admin powers, or your judgement could you admins at least try to be rational in your decision making. Not too much to ask?
Didn't you make a thread like this one some long time ago already? Don't you remember the outcome of that one? :lol:
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Vibe on January 29, 2013, 03:25:39 pm
Didn't you make a thread like this one some long time ago already? Don't you remember the outcome of that one? :lol:

Think it was when he was banned by Nuffen. Was a pretty hilarious thread.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Panos on January 29, 2013, 03:29:06 pm
Link plz
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Tennenoth on January 29, 2013, 03:33:53 pm
Elmuri you know that I like you mate, but this was a bad decision to make.

Murmis punches didnt even take like 10% of Florian`s  :lol: HP.

Getting banned for punching someone is a bit wrong..

Elmuri had "insider information" as he witnessed me whining in teamspeak about these two griefing each other. (I muted them as well) so technically they wound each other up and should have received an equal punishment. Besides that, both of the videos don't show the whole story and objectively the equal punishment, of a short time if I am honest, will serve the purpose to hopefully make both players "buck their ideas up."

The right decision in my opinion given that he had more information on the situation and used it to make an informed decision. Both were instigators, without the idiocy of the griefing the teamwounding wouldn't have happened and therefore equal parts guilty. At least that's the way that I see it and obviously Elmuri saw it in a similar way too.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on January 29, 2013, 03:35:25 pm
Didn't think you was such a bumsore twat murmillarse prune

Can someone ban this man he's trolling me! PL0X BAN HE NOW. Trolling bannable offence! BAN HE!

I'll tell you guys what I'll be mega butthurt and record every instance of "abuse/grief" in the server if I'm not banned longer than I have been initially. Then you admins will have your work cut out for you. We should also see a sharp reduction in the cRPG population as a result, maybe your work load will be reduced then and you can get on with having tongues stuck up your arses when not being inactive that is.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Jacko on January 29, 2013, 03:52:13 pm
Don't go punching random people, how hard can it be?
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on January 29, 2013, 06:58:48 pm
Don't go punching random people, how hard can it be?

Why play c-rpg then?...  :cry:
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on January 29, 2013, 08:11:30 pm
When some people post here.. Their pretentious posturing under the guise of maturity has me thinking of this...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=20f_1359191547
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Bjord on January 29, 2013, 08:16:34 pm
I'm banned until October, quit making a fuss over one day Murmill Arseprune (ty koortis, awesome nickname).
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Panos on January 29, 2013, 08:28:53 pm
Elmuri had "insider information" as he witnessed me whining in teamspeak about these two griefing each other. (I muted them as well) so technically they wound each other up and should have received an equal punishment. Besides that, both of the videos don't show the whole story and objectively the equal punishment, of a short time if I am honest, will serve the purpose to hopefully make both players "buck their ideas up."

The right decision in my opinion given that he had more information on the situation and used it to make an informed decision. Both were instigators, without the idiocy of the griefing the teamwounding wouldn't have happened and therefore equal parts guilty. At least that's the way that I see it and obviously Elmuri saw it in a similar way too.

Fair enough mate.
Title: Re: Fair people of Capua...
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on January 29, 2013, 08:34:06 pm
I'm banned until October, quit making a fuss over one day Murmill Arseprune (ty koortis, awesome nickname).

Pffffffff

Stay banned! STAY BANNED!!!!! BJERK!!