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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: highglandeur on January 25, 2013, 05:40:00 pm
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Yes it is and we are brainstorming some changes at the moment.
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It's like the morning newspaper. Like to check in on it every morning, good source of entertainment to be sure. :mrgreen:
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It's like the morning newspaper. Like to check in on it every morning, good source of entertainment to be sure. :mrgreen:
I do enjoy a read, it's like the cartoon section, colourful and humorous
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Yes it is and we are brainstorming some changes at the moment.
My suggestion: Separate the two, make it an unban request only and have a either report to moderator function for ban requests or a write only forum where users cannot read other ban requests.
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I do enjoy a read, it's like the cartoon section, colourful and humorous
Spot on.
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My suggestion: Separate the two, make it an unban request only and have a either report to moderator function for ban requests or a write only forum where users cannot read other ban requests.
lol not what i had in mind
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1...ofc...but sometimes it is funny :mrgreen:
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Maybe have email addresses where people sends issues. People who abuse it would obviously get punishments, but it would at least make it less of a public spectacle. The guy who accuses someone would have to provide his own evidence in the email or get witnesses beforehand
Then you could just publicly state who is banned and for how long and lock the thread with info for appeals (via appeals email address)
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I am a bit confused here. If there is a request to get someone banned for something a person did and VALID PROOF which confirms that the accusations made are true is presented, the only disgrace I can spot are the actions of the offender. Public access to those incidents does not at all seem wrong or unjustified to me. I even think the contrary is the case and I support keeping those ban requests for all people to see.
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People can thrive off drama. If they just get banned then that might act as a better deterrent than giving them a soap box and allowing them to draw supporters to them.
I think its too public atm, people should just get bans that reflect what they did and that is the end of it
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It is not about the display, it is about the act of posting a ban request.
You can always find examples where you will believe it is right or fair or just to post a ban request, and it may well be.
Still it develops a bad atmosphere in the community, people constantly telling on each other.
Admins who did not witness the scene provide days of ban subjectively, hence unfairly.
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Legitimate ban requests are not at issue. The problem is the baiting that takes place simply to post a ban request on a player in order to troll a video game community (always leaving out what they did to get those screenshots) and just plain vindictive requests that are usually about personal pissing contests. Couple in incidents where an accidental hit occurs and ragenerd posts about it anyhow, plus drama lovers drawn like flies to a corpse who feel they need to add in their two cents and you get a cesspool. I won't even get into the timesink involved researching the incident to find that often the OP deserves a ban at least as much as their target.
Hopefully Meow and the gang can find a good solution to clean it up.
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Well, first brainstorming with some admins/devs yesterday kinda came up with this:
Like with the admin abuse forum back in the days you have to wait 24h after the incident before you post a ban request.
When you post it you need to follow some basic format including time/date of the incident, server, offending player name and proof.
If you miss any of those or the 24h delay the thread just gets deleted.
This will remove a ton of rage ban requests and probably some of the "I don't like this guy so I will try to get him banned for every thing I can find that could somehow be punishable" requests as well.
For urgent matters the ban forum is not the right place anyway, lots of admins can be contacted via IRC and steam so people should make use of that if no admin is available in game.
Same goes for other stuff where people got proof and it's a valid ban reason, they can just go to irc and talk to an admin, present their proof and the admin can post a "Player X has been banned"
thread and put the proof and the reporting player in there.
That way you can circumvent the 24h delay but an admin gets the chance to judge if it is a valid request or not instead of having tons of random ban requests floating around where players just throw shit at each other because they are mad.
Needs some tweaking and especially the go from the overlords but I think this would improve the handling of bans overall and would make the ban section way less painful for all the admins.
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where is the fun part about this? i want daily amusement!!
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Trust me, the ban section is everything else but amusement for all the admins who still care to read it.
Most admins burn out on that after a while and others have gone inactive over it.
It's fine that you enjoy it and you still could but it won't be the amount and stupid requests as is right now.
Admins not losing all motivation over this is number one priority.
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Well request are retarded in nature but also english in those threads *shivers*
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im totally aware of that meow :) i was just kidding :P
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24h rule why not, was hoping for more...
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Like what?
Not allowing people to do ban requests against people who break "minor" rules? :mrgreen:
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tbh what i had in mind is to get rid of it
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That was also considered but there are valid requests in there that needs to be taken care of.
Alternative is a forum where you can post but all threads are only visible to admins and then having the forum where only admins can post with bans that happened due to request + proof and person who requested it.
I kinda like reducing the rage ban threads though and having people contact admins directly via live chat stuff though.
Easier if you can just reason with someone who decides on your request than having all the trashtalk in the threads.
Although I'll try to hand out all the warnings for random posts on the ban section tomorrow.
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Yes it is and we are brainstorming some changes at the moment.
How about getting more active NA admins? Some of the shit that goes down in NA_1 without admin interference, every day, round after round, is getting ridiculous.
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Not my department.
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Trust me, the ban section is everything else but amusement for all the admins who still care to read it.
Most admins burn out on that after a while and others have gone inactive over it.
It's fine that you enjoy it and you still could but it won't be the amount and stupid requests as is right now.
Admins not losing all motivation over this is number one priority.
Oh most definitely. I will easily sacrifice the amusement to save the poor admins, can't even begin to imagine the horrors that place brings to them. Didn't want to make it seem like our amusement > your effort. I completely agree with reformatting it if it helps the admins have an easier time, they have it hard enough as is.
Re-reading this and it came off as slightly sarcastic, not my intentions at all, I'm genuine with this statement. Keep up the good work you poor souls, I mean admins.
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It's like the morning newspaper. Like to check in on it every morning, good source of entertainment to be sure. :mrgreen:
More like the fucking obituaries. Read about people you never knew disappearing off the face of the earth. Morbidly interesting.
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Hiding it won't solve the problem, i guess although you pretend it is a horrible task, you enjoy those daily banning sessions somehow and don't want to lose that privilege. What you say about some valid request needing to be adressed sounds like a lot of bullcrap to me, because you would be active on server if you cared about that...
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i think you are crossing a line highlandeur
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yes I am and you should try it sometimes no_rules, you owe it to your own nickname.
Anyways i'm trying to help him, what i say is provocative and i don't assume it to be right, i am giving him an opportunity to stop doing something wrong, I only hope he will grab it, using this forum argument as an excuse to those who asked this from him.
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Wait, what? How come ban request section be a disgrace for community?
You think asking for a ban for someone who breaks the rules is bad - I think it brings justice. Admins just can't deal with every issue ingame, nobody will monitor all the servers 24*7.
If you think it makes bad atmosphere in community - it doesn't. Rule breakers do. Trying to get them banned is a good thing in every way.
Another issue is some ban request being not reasonable enough - Meow said enough about that, I think they'll somehow manage it.
So I don't really get the sense of this topic, honestly.
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You think asking for a ban for someone who breaks the rules is bad - I think it brings justice.
You think? Or does everyone else think? In fact, are you not stating the obvious? Might fill you with convidence but please stop calling it thinking!
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If you think it makes bad atmosphere in community - it doesn't. Rule breakers do. Trying to get them banned is a good thing in every way.
In this I am sorry but you are wrong, it does bring a bad atmosphere, maybe you're just not aware of it.
Also pretending that banning every rule breaking is a good thing is such a lie, if you care to look around, most bans have no effect at all and so many offenders never get "punished".
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Hiding it won't solve the problem, i guess although you pretend it is a horrible task, you enjoy those daily banning sessions somehow and don't want to lose that privilege. What you say about some valid request needing to be adressed sounds like a lot of bullcrap to me, because you would be active on server if you cared about that...
I don't even remember when I last banned someone via a ban request and I certainly don't see it as a privilege, pretty sure the latter goes for most admins.
Removing it is not an option since admins can not see everything that's happening on all servers at all times.
It's fine if you don't like it but let us handle this the way we feel is right.
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You think? Or does everyone else think? In fact, are you not stating the obvious? Might fill you with convidence but please stop calling it thinking!
Could you explain it without trying to troll me or something? Didn't get that part really. If what I stated is obvious for you (which is pretty good), then again - what's the purpose of this topic and why would you think ban section shouldn't exist?
In this I am sorry but you are wrong, it does bring a bad atmosphere, maybe you're just not aware of it.
Also pretending that banning every rule breaking is a good thing is such a lie, if you care to look around, most bans have no effect at all and so many offenders never get "punished".
What you just said is basically this: "banning every rule breaker is bad and most of them don't get banned".
Well then, it seems like everything is good as it is from your point of view, so once again - why delete ban request section?
If I see a rulebreaker in game, who impacts on my or other players' fun, I want to be able to get him banned. I don't see anything wrong here.
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What I hate in ban polls, ban requests is, how far you can go without being banned, combined to how fast you can be banned for almost nothing. I think it is the perfect example of injustice (but humans are like that :P). Everything boils down to the fact that you can perfectly be "rule-breaking", as long as noone arounds you dislike you enough to screenshot your doing, and that those you're griefing are friendly toward you. Then if you have the misfortune to be caught while doing anything remotely punishable, you can get a life-time ban, even if you were just playing with friends :rolleyes:
For example, repeated offense should never mean perma-ban, the ban-time plateau should be a month, except for the gravest of deeds.
Also, most ban request are subjective and misses some very important facts/background: there should be no life-time ban from those topics, a competent admin must have eyes on someone himself before sentencing him to death.
The weakness of some misdemeanor leading to bans of multiple months always leaves a bad taste in my mouth: I could accept this if we were in a game of millions of players, but we are polling against guys playing with us for months, or even YEARS, and we know most of them are harmless trolls.
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Could you explain it without trying to troll me or something? Didn't get that part really. If what I stated is obvious for you (which is pretty good), then again - what's the purpose of this topic and why would you think ban section shouldn't exist?
Many ban request don't fit your "perfect world" category Macropuss. In fact i believe most of them don't.
If you want examples read Rumblood's post:"plain vindictive requests that are usually about personal pissing contests. Couple in incidents where an accidental hit occurs and ragenerd posts about it anyhow. I won't even get into the timesink involved researching the incident to find that often the OP deserves a ban at least as much as their target"
What you just said is basically this: "banning every rule breaker is bad and most of them don't get banned".
You misunderstood, i said banning every rule breaker is a lie it will never happen.
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I don't even remember when I last banned someone via a ban request and I certainly don't see it as a privilege, pretty sure the latter goes for most admins.
Removing it is not an option since admins can not see everything that's happening on all servers at all times.
It's fine if you don't like it but let us handle this the way we feel is right.
You want me to give the name of the admin who does it? Really? You think it would help?
I only gave my opinion, do as you like, be who you like...
I'm done here
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highlandeur, he meant that he doesnt do it for fun. offcourse admins have to reply to the ban requests, its a must as admins are not always online. I dont know but have you ever played dtv, siege etc...? they are now recruiting admins because it was unbearable.
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I only play EU1 and it's fine in my opinion, would you say EU1 is unbarable due to the amount of rule breaking?
Having active admins on EU2 is another point.
Make a ban request section in the forum for DTV only if its necessary lol
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and i got my answer from meow so thread is closed for me
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What started out as a reasonable suggestion kinda went sour. I've arrived at the impression of Meow actually doing things for the greater good of the community lately, saying he enjoys banning people is rather far fetched and doesn't really score your cause any points.
Anyway, I think 24h would be a good start. It will cause people to seriously re-evaluate the amount of energy they feel like investing into banning another player. Minor stuff will most likely disappear by themselves, only really butthurt trolls will wait 24h to ban request someone who called them some small insult like "idiot" etc.
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Unlike you my friend i never got banned or even ban requested and more importantly i never posted a ban request.
It's always been something that disgusted me in this community, from the absence of admin rules resulting in fancy ban periods (from 1 to 300 days for the same offense depending on admin or offender but never depending on the offense itself) to the disgraceful ban request section and the humiliating public ban essays.
A repulsive behavior that kept me from being willing to get involved as admin, donator, investor, prepurchaser or whatever.
A behavior that comes from the top as i discovered in my short nordmen life, praising the gods on irc.
But you are right Bjord, again I am being vindicative and arrogant, again I fail
I swear it was my last attempt
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Perhaps you're just directing your contempt at Meow because he happens to be a part of the admin team, it probably wasn't personal. I understand your frustration.
Also yes, I have quite an impressive record. Can't deny that.
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I do enjoy a read, it's like the cartoon section, colourful and humorous
wait so you actually find those newspaper cartoons funny? lmao you must be the only one
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wait so you actually find those newspaper cartoons funny? lmao you must be the only one
Coworker of mine reads them for amusement when we've got the night shift, she doesn't like the way the paper reports news. Oh well, more bad newsreporting for me, I thrive on the chuckles I get from a slanted story in the paper.
On topic: Meow, is there any way you can make a ban thread so it can only be posted in by the reporter and admins? That is, locked to all but the thread starter and the moderators on the said ban forum?
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I find the question for the poll is not optimal. Because I am afraid of what it means to other people if I choose 1.
1st: shame or not, I don't want my vote to be counted as "remove that forum section", because we need some administration for the game.
2nd: not the ban request section itself is a disgrace for the community, the things the community is filling it with are. I know other games with small communities, and there are hardly any ugly incidents on the servers. But cRPG somehow attracts all trolls, griefers, assholes and complete retards, and that forum section in its current shape is the result of it.
So yes, I am disappointed of what I see in that section. And no, I don't support the removal of that section, and I don't either think the existance of such a section is the problem.
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Ask around to people who don't play videogames what they think about people constantly telling on each other. Have a look at human history and how far this kind of behavior has led real people in the past.
To answer Bjord ofc it's not against meow i don't even know him, he was the only admin posting in this thread. If I was on a crusade against "the bad banning admin" i would have named someone else, like when we all flamed Nuffen but it was a mistake. I don't want to make him responsible for a behavior a lot of you seem to believe justified, for something he was asked to do and convinced it was allright by an entire part of the community.
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And joker the question is simple: is it a disgrace yes or no, how can it be more simple?
I am proposing to remove it, not the poll
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You can't generalize like that. We have a police for some reason, and you can report people who beat you, raped you, stole of you, robbed you and whatnot. Would you call that telling on each other as well? Should we stop it, disband all policemen, advocates and judges, and enjoy the fabulous Somalian lifestyle?
If we wouldn't have some rule enforcement on the servers, things would go completely out of hand. Already now people know they can get banned or punished otherwise, and yet they don't stop griefing and trolling and shit.
I think if anything, we need better/other administration, but definitely not less, like you are suggesting here. Usually I hate people who react to problems with more rules, more control and harder punishment, but in the case or cRPG I don't see any alternative, and that's why I refrain from any alternative suggestion. Unless the community - or better: the atmosphere in the community - doesn't change fundamentally, there is nothing you can do about it. With a good community, caring for each other, you can do a lot of things which work perfectly and don't even contain any rules, but with what we have now, where players already hate each other because of the choice of their classes, all you can do is put most people who are accused of something into a gunny sack and beat on it with a club until it stops moving, you will most likely hit the right ones.
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And joker the question is simple: is it a disgrace yes or no, how can it be more simple?
I am proposing to remove it, not the poll
You will base your request for removing it on that poll, and as those are two completely different questions for me, with completely different answers in my case, I will keep this poll blank. Thanks.
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Joker at this point if you believe the ban request will be removed you didnt read this fucking thread.
So you can vote 1 don't worry ban request will still be there for you to post your shit there.
I will pretend i didn't read that stupid comment about police and somalia.
I am not saying admins should be removed, I am saying the ban request should be removed and the unban essays should remain for admin reading only, and making some rules for admins wouldn't hurt.
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sry guys im locking this fucking thread