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Title: Is this allowed?
Post by: Haboe on January 25, 2013, 12:47:38 pm
Is it allowed to use consites to reach places in a faster way then normal?

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Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Kafein on January 25, 2013, 12:50:57 pm
Afaik it has been discussed but no official stance emerged ?

It completely breaks some maps in favor of the attackers though.
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 25, 2013, 12:51:01 pm
Hmm, those stairs sholdnt be all to hard to defend though?
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Kafein on January 25, 2013, 12:51:53 pm
Quote from: Joseph_Porta on January 25, 2013, 12:51:01 pm
Hmm, those stairs sholdnt be all to hard to defend though?

The path to the flag is simply too short
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 25, 2013, 12:58:05 pm
Quote from: Kafein on January 25, 2013, 12:51:53 pm
The path to the flag is simply too short
Does it make the map undefendable?
If thats so i agree that it sould be prohibited, this was a good and balanced map. Afaik
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Casimir on January 25, 2013, 12:59:41 pm
tbh its a pretty shitty siege map.  I don't enjoy it as either attackers or defenders.
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Haboe on January 25, 2013, 01:07:39 pm
Well i got some more examples of siege maps, ill make some screens next time i play on them. Would be good to know if its a valid tactic to help your team, or an exploit  :P
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 25, 2013, 01:10:19 pm
Quote from: Casimir on January 25, 2013, 12:59:41 pm
tbh its a pretty shitty siege map.  I don't enjoy it as either attackers or defenders.
i like it, as a defender when the gate gets opened i always go commando up the siege tower to try and close it again. I also like the openness of the inside, good fights there. :)
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Torak on January 28, 2013, 11:21:06 pm
Dosent relly matter if you do that, you will get stuck under the roof and cant go down to the flag
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 28, 2013, 11:25:30 pm
Quote from: Torak on January 28, 2013, 11:21:06 pm
Dosent relly matter if you do that, you will get stuck under the roof and cant go down to the flag
no this isnt true i think. we did it with HRE and it worked i believe (didnt go there myself because i had a problem with the banner and was in the opposite team)
imo there is no reason why this woulndt be allowed, its a tactic that needs coordination and teamwork and disallowing that would be retarded (this costs money, takes 3 slots and you need to be quick)
this is not like in battle where you are camping a unreachable roof, its your only way to be able to push to the flag once you got on top of that (otherwise you have to go all the way around)
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on January 28, 2013, 11:31:31 pm
Quote from: no_rules_just_play on January 28, 2013, 11:25:30 pm
no this isnt true i think. we did it with HRE and it worked i believe (didnt go there myself because i had a problem with the banner and was in the opposite team)
imo there is no reason why this woulndt be allowed, its a tactic that needs coordination and teamwork and disallowing that would be retarded (this costs money, takes 3 slots and you need to be quick)
this is not like in battle where you are camping a unreachable roof, its your only way to be able to push to the flag once you got on top of that (otherwise you have to go all the way around)

Tactics and team work? one guy throws a construction site down and jumps the wall, everyone else there see's and copies him because they realise they can get to the flag with out having to walk past the defenders spawn (on that map) and it was all done with out a letter being typed in chat...
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 29, 2013, 01:08:44 am
Quote from: Hunter_the_Honourable on January 28, 2013, 11:31:31 pm
Tactics and team work? one guy throws a construction site down and jumps the wall, everyone else there see's and copies him because they realise they can get to the flag with out having to walk past the defenders spawn (on that map) and it was all done with out a letter being typed in chat...
no, its not that easy
may, i know what your in-game name is?
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on January 29, 2013, 01:31:53 am
Defenders can just put their own con site right in front of the "stairs" and block it back off again. Either side can break either construction site.

Not that I've ever seen anyone counter a construction site with another construction site. Just saying that you could.
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Erzengel on January 29, 2013, 01:34:11 am
Shouldn't be allowed in my opinion.
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on January 29, 2013, 09:02:16 am
Quote from: no_rules_just_play on January 29, 2013, 01:08:44 am
no, its not that easy
may, i know what your in-game name is?

Nord Hunter, I was on that map when HRE done it a month ago or so, it was pretty lame because it was dam hard to get everyone to realise people where jumping the wall and dodging our spawn so hardly anyone came until it was to late.
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Everkistus on January 29, 2013, 09:15:05 am
I'd allow it. Breaking construction sites is easy anyway, so defenders can just go up and destroy the damn thing if they can coordinate at all.
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: [ptx] on January 29, 2013, 09:21:31 am
Quote from: Everkistus on January 29, 2013, 09:15:05 am
I'd allow it. Breaking construction sites is easy anyway, so defenders can just go up and destroy the damn thing if they can coordinate at all.
haha
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Torak on January 29, 2013, 04:39:16 pm
Quote from: no_rules_just_play on January 28, 2013, 11:25:30 pm
no this isnt true i think. we did it with HRE and it worked i believe (didnt go there myself because i had a problem with the banner and was in the opposite team)
imo there is no reason why this woulndt be allowed, its a tactic that needs coordination and teamwork and disallowing that would be retarded (this costs money, takes 3 slots and you need to be quick)
this is not like in battle where you are camping a unreachable roof, its your only way to be able to push to the flag once you got on top of that (otherwise you have to go all the way around)

Well i have done it and the result was be stuck under the roof or jump down and lose 90% of your HP try it and see 4 your self. (It might work if you do it in some special way but i havent found it)
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: IG_Saint on January 29, 2013, 04:57:52 pm
Like I said in the last thread about this, fix the map rather than make more unenforceable rules. Unless I'm wrong, this is the only map with this particular problem.
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: El_Infante on January 29, 2013, 05:16:01 pm
Quote from: Casimir on January 25, 2013, 12:59:41 pm
tbh its a pretty shitty siege map.  I don't enjoy it as either attackers or defenders.

Indeed. Auto QMD every time I play it. I don't know why that laggy and shitty maps are still on the server. Best maps native maps for ever.
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Haboe on January 29, 2013, 05:54:44 pm
Quote from: IG_Saint on January 29, 2013, 04:57:52 pm
Unless I'm wrong, this is the only map with this particular problem.

You wrong :)

There are 3 shortcuts you can make in this map:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Teeth on January 29, 2013, 05:58:28 pm
I think it's pretty silly map design up there anyway. The guys that open the gate, which is a very commendable effort, get rewarded by having to jump down for 80% hp loss, or go back out through the siege tower and then back in using the gate. Unless I am missing something, which is very well possible because I can rarely be arsed to go up there in the first place.
Title: Re: Is this allowed?
Post by: Haboe on January 29, 2013, 06:00:19 pm
Nah, the last map is cool on that. you can jump down by roofs across the ally, and there are plenty of stairways down :P

But by using 2 consites you can get to flag twice as fast :P