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Title: Guide: Defend The Virgin gamemode
Post by: Uther Pendragon on January 11, 2013, 01:28:07 am

Defending the Virgin: How to?
Well, above all, have fun and teamwork, you don't have to be a good fighter to change the course of the battle

A little DTV video I shot, its not a full tutorial but more of an over-all explaination
Quality isn't top notch because I used a fail converter, audio is a little off, enjoy!

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Also, concerning bots images: Some of pics are made on my character in the right armor, some are taken from DTV, depends if I have occasions to get the right screens.

Thanks to SoO for moving it to the Guides subcategory
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: Should I?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 11, 2013, 01:46:17 am
as long as you explain that you DO NOT WANT TO WIN FROM TINCANS and that time is money and that you are a retard if you pull the bots to the virgin
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: Should I?
Post by: Uther Pendragon on January 11, 2013, 02:24:27 am
as long as you explain that you DO NOT WANT TO WIN FROM TINCANS and that time is money and that you are a retard if you pull the bots to the virgin

I played DTV since its earliest days, so I'll do my best not to forget such things  :D
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: Should I?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on January 11, 2013, 06:15:33 am
This is a really weird tip that will apply to less than 1% of defend the virgin players: fast throwing weapons tear up lower rank waves. I played DTV when I had +3 Snowflake and +3 Throwing Daggers. It's SO EASY to headshot them. I was a dedicated thrower with high power throw, but the CPu enemies don't dodge ranged like real players do. You can just line up one good shot and then blast open the heads of the conga line bandits that are advancing on you.

It helped me learn the trajectory of my shots with a new ranged weapon. DTV is as invaluable as Skip The Fun and duel servers are. They help you master the mechanics of your class. Then you can move on to mind games and other PVP things!  :twisted:
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: Should I?
Post by: bavvoz on January 11, 2013, 07:40:21 am
Great idea!
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: Uther Pendragon on January 12, 2013, 01:09:41 am
Updated with overview of rounds and bot types, starting to get the pics and moar pics.
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 12, 2013, 03:57:46 am
looks terrific!
i love it!

STIKCYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: Mammonist on January 13, 2013, 08:36:53 pm
Nice if only I had this when I was a noob. Oh wait...


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Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: Ubereem on January 14, 2013, 12:42:40 am
Is it true you get a player Title if you defend the virgin? I saw someone enter siege with some sort of virgin defender title.
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: Uther Pendragon on January 14, 2013, 01:19:29 am
Not true, its another one of those buy-able titles on Auction House.  :wink:
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: Tigero on January 17, 2013, 03:54:22 pm
Who needs shwag when you got yolo.
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But some tips i can give:

1. OBEY players who are serious about this, if they say ''get out of the open and get to cover'' you do it because it's best for the whole team.
2. Don't underestimate nomads, they got no penalties for cav whatsoever (their lancers once poked me to death because i couldn't recover from stun, i had full tincan) and their inf is way more dangerous than say vitez that are slow and easy to block.
3. If you're archer, don't be a dumbuck and 'try to help' by shooting at train:ers, kill leaking bots instead.
4. Builds, -18/-18 is crap, you can't onehit weaboos with spd and can't outrun in a tight spot, use 30str/9 or 15str/24 instead. (agi based builds are nice for stealing uther's kills by running to bot spawn and stealing the train >:D )
5. Use fucking decent weapons, stabbing weapons like pike are nearly useless, use Great long bardiche, glaive or the 2d chopping weapont instead. From 2h's you should use flamberge, nopdachi, maul (highly recommended at high rounds because you still can counterattack with it) or great bardiche. Never ever come to DTV server with a thrower, just don't. Xbows are pretty useless too, bows are ok if you can aim to head (which is easy, bots won't dodge on purpose).
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: Patoson on January 17, 2013, 04:48:42 pm
4. Builds, -18/-18 is crap, you can't onehit weaboos with spd and can't outrun in a tight spot, use 30str/9 or 15str/24 instead. (agi based builds are nice for stealing uther's kills by running to bot spawn and stealing the train >:D )
My build has always been balanced (either 21/18, 18/21 or 21/21) and I usually manage to kill a lot of bots by myself.

Like everything, practice makes perfection. This game-mode is the easiest, in my opinion - AI is really simple if you compare it to how a lot of people play in battle - so, once you know how they "think", you realise it's all about "backpedalling" while spamming (and blocking when necessary), since bots just move towards the virgin or players found in their way. They never backpedal themselves unless they have already "facehugged" you and you attempt to kick - they step back and dodge the kick. Otherwise, it's just a matter of repetition.

My advice is avoid being surrounded by bots and try to kill them one by one, and always remember that they barely block, they just spam. And when they "chamber" it's because what I just said - they just spam - so, if you are "chambered" it's because the bot swings in the same direction as you (although I think that they somehow do it on purpose sometimes). Anyway, to avoid this, just hold your attacks a little, until the bot starts swinging. And, against shielders, just perform simple feints and they will drop their guard.

All these things we some have learnt in battle, because DTV isn't so old, so I guess that you would play DTV better once you play battle better.
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: Tigero on January 17, 2013, 07:14:27 pm
Well ofcourse it's easier per kill, perhaps even easier per 50 kills :p But still it's not JUST about spam, if you are tshuutshuu training, you must know how to control the bots and hit the right ones because if even one gets to side of other and both start spamming you can easily be killed. Also knowing the maps and prioritizing are important things.

If it was just about spam and str i'm sure the servers wouldn't be filled with people with 15-8 scores on full server...
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: Uther Pendragon on January 17, 2013, 07:36:22 pm
DTV is all about knowing some basic fighting skill, blocking in right direction and knowing how bots think. When you get into their tiny AI, you can easily foresee their moves. :P

But stop this talk, or you'll make it feel like DTV is some shaolin-like fighting technique, "brain above body" etc  :lol:

EDIT: Also, just finished most of the work, now I'll figure out what I've missed and add that, correct fuckups and add images.
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: Tigero on January 17, 2013, 07:50:22 pm
DTV is all about knowing some basic fighting skill, blocking in right direction and knowing how bots think. When you get into their tiny AI, you can easily foresee their moves. :P

But stop this talk, or you'll make it feel like DTV is some shaolin-like fighting technique, "brain above body" etc  :lol:

That's exactly what it is.  :P I'm pretty sure that's just because i know how to play it and then again people who know battle prolly think the same about their sport. IMO battle is all about war masks, light kuyaks and danish GS'. (Occasionally HX or HA or thrower too)  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 17, 2013, 07:53:02 pm
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where did the 'D' from K:D go?
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I am doing this!
Post by: Uther Pendragon on January 17, 2013, 08:11:05 pm
where did the 'D' from K:D go?
It was too "big" to fit?  :lol:
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide: I'm almost done!
Post by: Tigero on January 19, 2013, 03:31:31 pm
Pro Tip: Archers don't fking shoot towards teammates and explain ''i tried to help''.
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 06, 2013, 11:52:51 am
bump
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide
Post by: XyNox on February 06, 2013, 04:20:24 pm
Very nice guide, reading this kinda reminds you that there are people who dont take all that for granted.

Also from an archers point of view:

I am playing DTV for a long time now and can tell that almost all of the times a team loses, it is because melees pick fights they cant handle.

Most of the times when a team loses it looks like this:

All the bots are stuck under a roof, they have no ranged and pose no threat if approached carefully. Logic would tell us that ranged would simply headshot them all and so clearing the wave with 0.00% risk taken. What usually happens though is that one or a few melees dont know to do anything better than charging the whole blob, die in a matter of seconds and thus lure them all to virgin at once.

So please, if you see a blob, dont mindlessly run into it. Approach very slowly until one of the bots turns towards you and then get some distance again immediately. This way you will be fighting one or maybe two at a time and not the whole blob of 10 or 20.
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Pro Tip: Archers don't fking shoot towards teammates and explain ''i tried to help''.

Dont take this comment too seriously fellow archers, BUT make sure to only shoot into melee if you can assure not to hit a teammate, as in, if there is a train, aim at the bots that are farthest away from your mate and not the one clostest. If there is a 1 v 1 between a bot and a teammate, better dont shoot at all. Even bad players can handle a single bot and shooting in there holds a significant chance to get your teammate killed, as hitboxes are super buggy in DTV. If your mate dies in a 1 v 1, well then he most likely wasnt worth it anyway.
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide
Post by: Uther Pendragon on February 06, 2013, 06:17:47 pm
Thanks, will quote you in Archers, Crossbowmen category :D
Also should I copy-paste/move this to Guides? Because when I first posted this thread I didn't noticed the Guides subcategory.
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide
Post by: Mammonist on February 06, 2013, 08:01:00 pm
Xynox is a valuable asset to any dtv team
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, archers would do wise to listen to him.  :wink:
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide
Post by: Ronin on February 12, 2013, 05:40:18 pm
Bump for the good guide. You may contact with a moderator/admin to make it move to the guides section. This thread belongs to there.

By the way, today we formad a nice shieldwall in istiniar with some people. It worked up to TINCANS! Though tincans broke it through, fairly quickly with their morningstars. I even think it would be still viable, if we could have formed a good phalanx formation (shielwall in front, leaving small gaps for polearms/twohandeds to attack). I myself used a 3 dif shield with 4 shield skill, sexies and vitezi were doable. I just had to change shields from time to time.
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide
Post by: Uther Pendragon on February 15, 2013, 02:51:08 pm
Hah, nice to hear this tactic still being used  :lol: last time I saw this was long time ago... And I know its mostly because very few maps are suitable for shieldwalls, but still. Nostalgic.
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide
Post by: Mammonist on February 15, 2013, 04:59:27 pm
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Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide
Post by: Ronin on February 17, 2013, 12:56:35 pm
Hah, nice to hear this tactic still being used  :lol: last time I saw this was long time ago... And I know its mostly because very few maps are suitable for shieldwalls, but still. Nostalgic.
True, it is mostly a map-based tactic. There also need to be enough shielders to block 80% of the corridor. 5-6 shielders are enough to block the istiniar corridors, so I think it's definitely viable there. Not to mention, the wave comes at the shieldwall is weakened because of the pullers in side cabins.

By the way, great seeing this is moved to guides section. Now it doesn't need bumps to be reachable to everyone.
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide
Post by: Malaclypse on February 17, 2013, 01:03:50 pm
Finally beat the game mode the other night with a four man squad. 3 Hoplites and an Archer, was rad. Basically just pinched in on individual bots with 3 simultaneous spears, backed the train up, and turtled when it was needed. No cheesing (getting bots stuck/trapped) needed when it's low pop like that.
Title: Re: Defend The Virgin Guide
Post by: Uther Pendragon on February 17, 2013, 06:05:59 pm
True, low population allows even single players to win if they're carefull. Still, most dangerous waves then are Nomads and Rohirric due to horses and horse archers being unpredictable.
Title: Re: Guide: Defend The Virgin gamemode
Post by: Uther Pendragon on March 23, 2013, 06:38:40 pm
Updated: Explained nudge and shieldbash features. (late, I know  :lol:)
Title: Re: Guide: Defend The Virgin gamemode
Post by: Falka on March 23, 2013, 07:42:02 pm
Really nice  8-)
Title: Re: Guide: Defend The Virgin gamemode
Post by: Patoson on April 01, 2013, 12:00:29 pm
Here is a round of nomads I recorded (and luckily survived until the end), where you can also see how to use the "look-around-camera" (ยบ key) (at least the way I use it when cavalry is around). I hope it helps anyone!