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Title: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Glando on December 28, 2012, 04:10:32 pm
Hi, I am messing about with an alt Xbow/1hand/shield/cav build.I was hoping to get some advice on what to do as I am not sure where to start.

I was thinking somewhere along the lines of this:

Strength: 15
    Agility: 21
    Hit points: 50

    Skills to attributes: 2

    Ironflesh: 0
    Power Strike: 5
    Shield: 4
    Athletics: 5
    Riding: 5
    Horse Archery: 3
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 7

    One Handed: 101
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 146
    Throwing: 1

Any help, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 28, 2012, 04:14:38 pm
Quote from: buba on December 13, 2012, 09:14:12 am
Strength:21
Agility:18

Weapon Master:5
Riding:6
Iron Flesh:5
Horse Archery:3
Power Strike:7


Two Handed:100
Crossbow:123

Thats what I am using right now at lvl 31.
Low WPF, trade of is more punch with you're (me lee) hits and more HP to stay alive longer.
Try a morning star and see if you can deal with the shorter reach, the pierce damage in combination with the speed bonus from you're horse is quite good.


Quote from: Zapper on December 12, 2012, 08:25:55 am
It's gonna be expensive, but fun.

Here is what I would use:
(click to show/hide)

btw, if you join Peasants United (you have to be gen 1-3 for that), we are a non-profit support organisation for new players (i love saying that :P). We have trainers that can guide you in making a good build and telling you what to do. We also have an armoury where you can borrow stuff from for free as it might be pretty expensive to buy horses and than find out that xbow cav isnt fun.
Im not sure if you are new or not, but if you are interested, click the banner under my post.
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Malaclypse on December 28, 2012, 04:20:07 pm
3 horse archery is pretty low. I'd say use a build that has at least 4, preferably 5. 12/24, 7/30, riding/wm/HA maxed. 12/24 leaves a little room (9 skill points) for Shield and Powerstrike, 7/30 is dedicated.
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Glando on December 28, 2012, 04:29:49 pm
Hi thanks for the reply's .The build you posted had no shield skill>I wanted a build that used a shield.Im not a new player but thanks for the clan invite.
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 28, 2012, 04:34:03 pm
a shield seems a pretty bad idea to me, however i saw a druzhina member in eu1 tonight (he was HA with a shield and a 1h), he looked fucking awesome but i dont think its a good build
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Glando on December 28, 2012, 04:36:54 pm
Does anyone know of a lvl 30 build with shield skill please?
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: agweber on December 28, 2012, 04:40:33 pm
It seems that you want a build that can handle both xbowcav as well as playing a shielder on the ground. You must realize that 1h's don't hit very hard and without further dedication into 1h you'll just not be very effective. Shields are nice early on when you're still learning because it allows you to survive a hair longer, but you honestly should get used to manual blocking because of how long you're going to have to be fighting to kill someone with that low str and ps with a 1h.

I would advise either going for a more dedicated xbow-cav build such the Zapper 15/21 build (or even one of the minimaxed Malaclypse builds), or to go for a build with much more 1h dedication that will not have nearly the accuracy on horseback as a dedicated.

Trust me on this, I'm always trying to hybrid my builds to give me as much playstyle as possible, but I really notice when I don't hit for much damage that I'm in fights way longer.

Edit:: If you really want to have shield, throw away much of your xbow ability.
21str, 15 agi
7PS
5Shd, 5Ath, 5Rid, 2HA, 5WM
1001h, 121Xbow wpf
Move around a couple skill points as needed. You would need to have more oomph in your 1h hits.

And another edit: Maybe try a support/hoplite xbowcav hybrid? You wouldn't hit as hard, but you could get a bit more xbow wpf and try to back off to allies when your horse inevitably gets shot down.
18str, 18agi
6PS
6Shd, 6Ath, 5Rid, 6WM
100Pole, 133Xbow
You could lose an Ath point and maybe a shield point to put back into HA if you want to be more into the xbowcav, but you'll have a harder time escaping the angry horde of horsehunters
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Shaksie on December 28, 2012, 04:46:24 pm
With this build you will have a decent amount of shield skill, enough wpf to be able to melee and still retaining a lot of xbow wpf so you will be accurate. However your melee attacks will be weak so I recommend using a piercing weapon and aiming for the face, Steel Pick does very high damage, is fast but short and expensive. I recommend Military Sickle for it's good speed, length, decent damage and low cost. However if you want more length and a cheaper weapon you can use Fighting Pick, but I suggest the Military Sickle. You can also use blunt weapons but I believe piercing headshots do more damage and are generally longer/faster but a little weaker, lighter and without knockdown. That being said, use what you wish; I suggest Winged Mace for it's very high damage, decent speed and weight. However the short length can be very irritating.
However I don't recommend getting a shield, with it you will either severely penalize your athletics / ironflesh.
Also I would recommend getting 50 wpf in one hand so you can be more accurate with your crossbow.
If you want maximum accuracy, you can go 12/27 but I don't recommend this either :)
Strength:        12
Agility:         24
Skills to attributes:    2
Power Strike:     4
Shield:           5
Riding:           8
Horse Archery:    4
Weapon Master:    8
One Handed:     101
Crossbow:       154
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 28, 2012, 04:48:04 pm
if you use less than 6 powerstrike, always get a pierce/blunt high damage weapon as 1hander, or you will glance off
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: agweber on December 28, 2012, 04:49:45 pm
In summation of my post and Shaksie, at the least take away with this message.

                         You're not going to hit hard.
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Glando on December 28, 2012, 05:02:10 pm
Thanks alot for this.It is my fourth character and I like the look of that build Shaksie.I presume I should use the light crossbow and military sickle what other clothes and equipment would you recommend?
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: agweber on December 28, 2012, 05:04:28 pm
Quote from: Glando on December 28, 2012, 05:02:10 pm
Thanks alot for this.It is my fourth character and I like the look of that build Shaksie, thanks alot.I presume I should use the light crossbow and military sickle what other clothes and equipment would you recommend?

Keep your builds light. I'd say around Lamellar Vest area in armor, whatever loomed gloves you can get ahold of. Do put a little bit of your weight into your boots if you find your playstyle to close harass infantry, but don't bother so much if you're anti-cav or you just like to keep your distance.
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Glando on December 28, 2012, 05:09:50 pm
Why do I need riding 8 in that build and is there 0 Athletics?
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 28, 2012, 05:10:26 pm
it might be pretty awesome if enemy cav is chasing you: just ride in front of them and shoot their horses :P
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Glando on December 28, 2012, 05:19:43 pm
How important is the horse archery 4, Is it more important than PS 5?

What do you think of this build modified from Shaksie's build:

    Strength: 15
    Agility: 21
    Hit points: 50

    Skills to attributes: 2

    Ironflesh: 0
    Power Strike: 5
    Shield: 7
    Athletics: 0
    Riding: 7
    Horse Archery: 3
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 7

    One Handed: 100
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 146
    Throwing: 1
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Tore on December 28, 2012, 06:19:46 pm
Quote from: Glando on December 28, 2012, 05:19:43 pm
How important is the horse archery 4, Is it more important than PS 5?

What do you think of this build modified from Shaksie's build:

    Strength: 15
    Agility: 21
    Hit points: 50

    Skills to attributes: 2

    Ironflesh: 0
    Power Strike: 5
    Shield: 7
    Athletics: 0
    Riding: 7
    Horse Archery: 3
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 7

    One Handed: 100
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 146
    Throwing: 1

take 1 shield skill and put to horsearchery
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Glando on December 28, 2012, 06:26:58 pm
You can not do that Tore as you need 6 agility for every 1 HA.
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: jtobiasm on December 28, 2012, 07:24:05 pm
3 HA is defiantly viable as a HA. So I guess as Xbows are more accurate then bows it should be fine. Just slow down if you're about to shoot infantry.
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Shaksie on December 29, 2012, 07:09:56 am
Quote from: jtobiasm on December 28, 2012, 07:24:05 pm
3 HA is defiantly viable as a HA

Sorry sir but I must disagree with this. HA is a pivotal skill for said class.
Quote from: Glando on December 28, 2012, 05:19:43 pm

How important is the horse archery 4, Is it more important than PS 5?
If you want to be a proficient horse xbower then yes, I believe it is. 4 Powerstrike will be a little shitty but if you use a loomed Military Sickle and aim for the face you will be surprisingly efficient :).
Quote from: Glando on December 28, 2012, 05:09:50 pm
Why do I need riding 8 in that build and is there 0 Athletics?
Well good sir,
Quote from: no_rules_just_play on December 28, 2012, 05:10:26 pm
it might be pretty awesome if enemy cav is chasing you: just ride in front of them and shoot their horses :P
Low riding skill ranged users often get smashed by melee riders due to the fact that HA/HX should use high maneuver horses which consequently, are slow, especially when compared to a +3 courser using lancer with 6 riding.

In my experience athletics was not so important; due to high agility you will not be sluggish on the ground but it is more important to retain accuracy and horse skill.

Quote from: Glando on December 28, 2012, 05:02:10 pm
I presume I should use the light crossbow and military sickle what other clothes and equipment would you recommend?
Indeed, loomed light xbow, steel bolts and military sickle will mean you do quite reasonable damage, especially with headshots.
Well, I believe the order of wpf penalty by weight is: gloves, head, shoes then body.
I would use leather gloves, a helmet of no more than 1 weight (I use Skullcap because I like the look of it hehe), Eastern Leather Greaves for their armor/weight ratio and lamellar may be a little heavy, I used Heavy Aketon.
This armor served me well on my HX and I recommend any similar armors; choose what you like but remember, this weight is good :).
As for the horse, you want something that has high maneuver. Arabian Warhorse is the best horse for this but it is indeed expensive and you will need to get to a fairly high level before you can actually ride it. Steppe horse still has good maneuver but the speed is quite bad and it is weak like all maneuvering horses, however it is cheap and requires low riding skill. Desert horse does not maneuver as well and is even weaker but is faster and has slightly better charge but again, requires high riding skill.

I hope this helps ye.
Title: Re: Xbow Cav Build Help
Post by: Glando on December 29, 2012, 10:27:04 pm
Cheers mate, thanks for all the help.