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Strategus => Strategus General Discussion => Topic started by: Jacu on December 18, 2012, 12:24:59 am

Title: Ridicules
Post by: Jacu on December 18, 2012, 12:24:59 am
I want ask Why the fu** pawlo was banned in the middle of battle
where in "rules" is something like "you will banned if you select your spawn point in opponent spawn point" pls show me this
i think if you let him select his spown in your spawn point is yours fault, he needed few seconds to do this. You are noobs if you let him do this
Mustiki which genius make you admin ??!!  why you use your power to fuck us maybe because " I can do this because i am admin i always have Rightness" BULSHIT             
next time if you have any "good idea" pls put this idea to your ass.... (sorry for hate)
I demand to delete this guy form admins list, i think nobody (from admins) can use his power to help his fraction     
of course maybe I am wrong and admins can do what they want

Btw as I remember  sky ladder is forbidden, so pls explain me this
http://i50.tinypic.com/2e5mgcy.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/15d5tuo.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/4tabgo.jpg
and of course dont forget about catapult in the wall

SO (on the end) pawlo get ban for nothing (sorry for admin humor) and mercs who make sky ladder is innocent. OK
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Kanclerz on December 18, 2012, 12:27:11 am
Yep!!!
Why all the time in sieges Coalition, Wolves, Mercs and other use "flying ladders"?
You can't normal throw ladders?
I'm puking this when only way to destroy it is jump down and cut.
Maybe add the tanks, once you win all battles.
Don't use bugs . It's terrible. Always the same - flying ladders,
Kingrimm hunting weapon rack
and stuping enginers shooting from catapult just before the wall (it's very funny, crazy and your enginners are stupid kids hahahaha).


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Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 18, 2012, 12:28:28 am
Don't use bugs . It's terrible.
This, to everyone.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Haboe on December 18, 2012, 12:39:21 am
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Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Haboe on December 18, 2012, 12:41:59 am
Also, in case you didnt notice, most of those ladders were trown from a siegetower.
If the wolves moved that tower (or drz side did) the ladders would stay and result in a skyladder (which we can't reach anymore).
On top of that slekz castle is rather buggy, and needs to be changed. A lot of ladders stop mid air on invisable obstacles and thus don't reach the walls.

Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Jacu on December 18, 2012, 12:43:12 am
so haboe??? where you have any sky ladder ?? every ladder is on the ground.... hm maybe i am blind
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Haboe on December 18, 2012, 12:45:33 am
A) i have no skyladders, its a wolves battle.
B) explained in the post why wolves had those ladders, and are unavoidable due to moving siegetowers by both sides.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 18, 2012, 12:47:02 am
so haboe??? where you have any sky ladder ?? every ladder is on the ground.... hm maybe i am blind

According to rules both ends has to be on solid ground, thats one thing the second part is if you throw a ladder from siege tower and move the siege tower later on the ladder will stay in the air. Most of the ladders shown in your pictures happened like that.

Most obvious one is here
(click to show/hide)

I think the problem wasn't in that broken section of the wall (since everything was moving there) but more like in the keep area.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Jacu on December 18, 2012, 12:57:03 am
"solid ground" what this mean ??
walls and roof is not solid ? so try hit the wall form head, maybe after this you will get some brain in our head

btw this half of "sky ladder" is neverending story because everybody know you will not get ban because you are mercs coalition and wolves so pls end this topic

But if Mercs grace me to read my post pls explain me this first half of topic because this "admin" is mercs memeber
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: polkafranzi on December 18, 2012, 12:58:05 am

Btw as I remember  sky ladder is forbidden, so pls explain me this


5 minutes into the battle and you were already at it...sigh, think before you post son.

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Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 18, 2012, 01:05:57 am
"solid ground" what this mean ??
walls and roof is not solid ? so try hit the wall form head, maybe after this you will get some brain in our head

btw this half of "sky ladder" is neverending story because everybody know you will not get ban because you are mercs coalition and wolves so pls end this topic

But if Mercs grace me to read my post pls explain me this first half of topic because this "admin" is mercs memeber

First of all stop raging please. I'm not asking any bans here or anything. Simply when you throw a ladder the both ends has to touch some ground. That doesn't mean it has to be on floor, can be ground to wall, wall to wall, tower to wall, you name it. But as far as I know (you still need to ask it to admins) the position of the ladders in the keep area and some on the walls were against the rules.

I think RXN kinda explained it well in the past

We took this castle a couple of days ago and had no problems with ladders, keeps, archers, racks, catas etc. For me the problem is about the lack of tactics and management, but not the game mechanics.  :P

Added:
A simple solution for overhanging ladders
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anything defying that physics law is not allowed.

you can find a similar discussion on this topic

http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/ladder-question/10/
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Butan on December 18, 2012, 01:12:32 am
anything defying that physics law is not allowed.

Is it official ?  :P


This is the biggest strategus battle problem... lots of things arent publicly forbidden (or tolerated).


Like, someone posted not so long ago:

According to Shik as long as one end is on something that's not another ladder/constructable it's fine.


One end or both end ?




And the "siege equipment around flag" problem is the same shit : it is not regulated enough and fucks up sieges and battles  :|
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 18, 2012, 01:15:27 am
I heard the term "sky ladders" only refers to ladders thrown off of other ladders.

I was told that ladders that are what most people consider "sky ladders" (aka they touch on the bottom but nowhere else) are perfectly legit (which I think is ridiculous).

If the ladders don't follow the physics posted in the picture above, they should automatically disappear.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 18, 2012, 01:17:59 am
This is the biggest strategus battle problem... lots of things arent publicly forbidden (or tolerated).

I think the problem is everything is a bit in grey area, things are not really clear. Sky ladders were an issue for a while now, and to be honest people (including me) are not really clear on the subject.
We need an official guideline for that. But I assume anything giving an unfair advantage is forbidden.

We also need a clear statement from admins about what is allowed on the ladders, seen many people putting siege shields on the ladders before (not in this battle)
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Jacu on December 18, 2012, 01:22:22 am
ok nocti so we have 3 ladder (on the top) because rest  ladders is ok, it was useless, no body shot form them, it wasn`t ours "last castle" and it doesn`t do anything to help us.
and you have many ladders (sky ladders) which you used to killed us
but ok end of this half of topic (as i said) you used from last 10 min of battle and we had 3 ....  but ok we had sky ladders
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 18, 2012, 01:25:36 am
ok nocti so we have 3 ladder (on the top) because rest  ladders is ok, it was useless, no body shot form them, it wasn`t ours "last castle" and it doesn`t do anything to help us.
and you have many ladders (sky ladders) which you used to killed us
but ok end of this half of topic (as i said) you used from last 10 min of battle and we had 3 ....  but ok we had sky ladders

As I said I don't know the subject well myself, additionally its not my battle and I didn't ask for an admin. To be honest if you can bring an admin here to enlighten us all that would be great.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 18, 2012, 01:25:48 am
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Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: kinngrimm on December 18, 2012, 01:32:03 am
+1 for RXN's drawing

also we have had at no point a command build ladders that devy gravity ^^
Also i am through with the skyladder or ladder on other objects not provided by the map discussion, i wont order these things to be build if they happen by chance or some dude just does it on its own i don't give a shit from now on anymore may it be your side or ours. This discussion is not healthy for anyone and not for the overall community atmosphere at all. I still first want a clear ruling from devs/admins without them saying we need to make a poll, fuck that poll for what do we have admins if not for these situations, they shale make a ruling and we can get on with our lives!


....
and stuping enginers shooting from catapult just before the wall (it's very funny, crazy and your enginners are stupid kids hahahaha).
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Look mate i know that DRZ and Grey Order as other UIF factions have many excellent players and you put a lot of effort in this game, did you use other means too sure, but that's not my point here. I will grant you only respect if it is given in return. My guys are partly new to the game, partly inexperienced, most of them have never ever done a lot with siege stuff, from that perspective i am complettly ok with their accomplishments. When you now deminish their efforts this i can only see as a bad character trait of yours. You took the castle by surprise and intercepted the reinforcements and we are having a tough time taking it back, not arguing there at all and a lot of things we tried out bluntly failed, but we are getting better from time to time. Wolves aren't a 80 members faction we have roughly 30ish and we need to organize a lot with our also in comparison to DRZ/GO small factions and no we aren't that effiecent and haven't even trained this siege stuff on a trainings server effectivly. Still keeping the tone is something i tell my guys always, not all of them succeed and i appollogize for those who flame and rage, so lets keep it civil shall we?
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Jacu on December 18, 2012, 01:44:59 am
buhahahahhahaha lizard... i dont know, do i cry or laugh
i think I saw everything and heared everything, politics  who primes poland will be reach country, teachers who told me "i will not tell anything to your mom" but i didnt think i will see MERC who tell "greys are crying babies" xD

lets see.... on this strat (it have few mouth) , as i remember greys give 2 topic ("with cry") : 
Grey Order Strat Announcement
and this topic is second
and now merc: whe you fucked your villages you - you cry, when we delete your "army" - you cry, when something was not good for you  -you cry, grey bans - you cry to ban us, when we were unban - you cry.....      we saw many this situation in this forum, but i am not nolife and i dont know this forum as good as many of you, i want play, not read bulshit
but of course we are crying babies !!!

but lizard i will tell you sad true
Pussy always will be pussy and mercs always will be only crying noobs
everybody know about this :)

Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 18, 2012, 01:49:53 am
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You guys keep this up and I'm gonna have my dad kick your dad's ass.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 18, 2012, 02:02:52 am
Funny, since you guys lost players due to multi accounting and such. Every little thing someone else does, you want someone to be banned. When in all fairness, you've done the same thing. It's ok to cheat when you're the ones cheating, but heaven forbid if someone else cheats. I don't understand how you have the nerve to call someone out like this, especially when you've been caught doing the same thing. And in this case, you're wrong. First two posts mention Mercs, wasn't this a battle against the Wolves? You complain that Pawlo was banned mid game, for what? obvious cheating. Of course you're not allowed to use the enemys spawn, that's just common sense...
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Jacu on December 18, 2012, 02:50:15 am
so show me this obvious rules "i cant use oponent`s spawn point"

at one time "Clever Merc" (he had get ban for "obvious cheating")  said "if serwer let me do this it is legal" (sorry i dot have this quotation)
so.... ;*
and as i said on beginning if you let him be near your SP this 5 or 6 sec to select it, it is your problem - this is not agnist rules!! this is your fail
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 18, 2012, 03:01:32 am
Is it really worth my time arguing with such an idiot, probably not...
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Jacu on December 18, 2012, 03:12:07 am
ooooh i am idiot??!
your all argument you can put in your ass and start masturbate, and now you are angry and you write "Is it really worth my time arguing with such an idiot, probably not..." but "i am idot".... eh really i dont know what i had to get... you are only merc, you dont have brain and you are blind because you see only your "pro skill"
i think you are the best of them, Haboe and nocti has some respect and write something intelligent, but you....? i think comment is useless
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Harpag on December 18, 2012, 03:12:35 am
You complain that Pawlo was banned mid game, for what? obvious cheating. Of course you're not allowed to use the enemys spawn, that's just common sense...

Obvious cheating? Of course not allowed ? just common sense?

In fact, I don't care, but during today's siege, representative of administration (of course Mercs) banned our player (for a few days - why not - he can) because our player selected enemy spawnpoint. Show me where and who says that's prohibited. Show me, or politely apologize and next time just keep your common sense for yourself.

Personally, I am tired of arbitrary decisions of administration, and you instead of calling people idiots, enable own thinking.

Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 18, 2012, 03:27:32 am
I ain't apologizing for shit, if anything, Jacu should apologize for his bad English. LOLZ. Anyway, maybe the ban was a bit harsh, a warning would have sufficed. And of course i have no proof of whether this is allowed or not, it's obviously a bug. And if your clan mate has obviously gone out of his way (As Jacu pointed out) to set his spawn on the opposing teams side, then he's obviously abusing this bug. I wonder, what if one of the Mercs were doing the same thing. You wouldn't have a problem with it? because there is no formal rule as to whether or not it is allowed. Please, that's a load of bullshit...
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Jacu on December 18, 2012, 03:56:49 am
i never say my English is perfect or something and as i can see you understand what i write so i think i dont must apologize

always ban, perm ban half of our clan, delete STRs, restart strat when we were wining, we lose army because we didn't know battle was at 10.00, buff cheep sword because merc use it on strat.  heh belive me lizard,  Grey Order survival worse thing than any stupid SP
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Abay on December 18, 2012, 03:58:03 am
The most ''Ridicules'' thread I have ever seen   :lol:
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 18, 2012, 08:33:13 am
I ain't apologizing for shit, if anything, Jacu should apologize for his bad English. LOLZ.
Poor Lizard, to stupid to comprehend what a guy means if his English isn't 100% perfect.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Kalp on December 18, 2012, 11:02:56 am
Quote
if you select your spawn point in opponent spawn point
The first time I hear about something like this, very strange situation for me, and I think that this is a problem of game mechanics/scripts/whatever, not of players. If devs leave such cases in game and then ban players beta-testers [because we are still beta-testers] for this, I can only say sorry....
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Segd on December 18, 2012, 11:47:26 am
You complain that Pawlo was banned mid game, for what? obvious cheating. Of course you're not allowed to use the enemys spawn, that's just common sense...
I saw a lot of times then one side was stealing  c.materials from enemy's stack of materials to build something.
There was a lot of times then one side used enemy's rack to put\take an equipment.
So why is it so bad to use enemy's spawn point? Perhaps if spawn points had more HP, we could see more spawncapturing :)
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 18, 2012, 12:49:28 pm
I saw a lot of times then one side was stealing  c.materials from enemy's stack of materials to build something.
There was a lot of times then one side used enemy's rack to put\take an equipment.
So why is it so bad to use enemy's spawn point? Perhaps if spawn points had more HP, we could see more spawncapturing :)

Abit off topic but respawning from enemy spawn sounds like reborning from vagina of enemy's mom. Then it gets all abstract like, you spent your life time with that little bugger and never realized he is a bit different like "enemy" he was saying things like -fuck you fuck your army you whiny bitch and one thought like -what a fine gentleman I have to join the same army with him!
then you go to a war where ladders defy laws of physics then a god comes and forbids you to exist (ban) for a week or two....

Oh yeah computer games....Well lets return to topic I think "Capture The Spawn" is already an option in many games, why not in Strategus.

Absurd ladders, construction sites on spawns = No
Spawn Capturing = Hell yeah

In fact, I don't care, but during today's siege, representative of administration (of course Mercs) banned our player (for a few days - why not - he can) because our player selected enemy spawnpoint.

You are so paranoid about us, was it Muffin who banned that player? (I don't know) To be honest Muff, me and Tyr muted ourselves in this battle. Because we simply didn't care that much. I'm telling one last time. Not our battle, Not our castle, Not our troops or gear. But you must also accept the fact that there are some weird things are happening, caused by Grey members concerning spawn points lately.
How about you tell your members to not mess with the spawn points in general except capturing them and nobody will have a reason to whine about anything. Look at the argument you are having :

Mercs are getting Greys banned (completely paranoiac for my opinion) and why?
Greys are placing weird ladders, Greys are placing cs on spawns, Greys are using enemy spawn etc.

Excuse? rules are not clear.

Just play the game and don't give a reason to ANYONE to whine about something I think this would be less time consuming then writing pages of stuff on forum.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 18, 2012, 02:18:08 pm
so haboe??? where you have any sky ladder ?? every ladder is on the ground.... hm maybe i am blind
physics, only ninjas can avoid it
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Erasmas on December 18, 2012, 02:28:37 pm
About the ladders - I do agree that it make no sense to have the ladders standing in the air. Something to be fixed in game mechanics; I call it a bug.

About choosing the spawn point of the enemy - Who said it is forbidden? It is a perfectly correct behavior IMHO, and allowed in the game. Show me the rule that forbids such things. No such rule? No any rule about Strat in fact? Apart form few obvious exploits in Meow's (if I recall correctly) thread including "common sense" general clause that depend on the current feelings of an admin? The common sense tells rather "if you are able to take the spawn of the enemy - it is yours, you can do whatever you want with it: drop it, use it or ignore it", rather than "if you are able to take the spawn of the enemy you have to drop it otherwise you will be banned".

Well... lack of clear rules seems to be an issue again, doesn't  it?

Just play the game and don't give a reason to ANYONE to whine about something I think this would be less time consuming then writing pages of stuff on forum.

The same applies to you. Just let people play and ask your teammates to keep bans for the real culprits of real offenses, not imaginary ones. And noone asks you to spend your precious time to write anything here.  Don't bother to comment.

NB - such situations clearly show the reason why we have taken our decision.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 18, 2012, 02:37:13 pm
The same applies to you. Just let people play and ask your teammates to keep bans for the real culprits of real offenses, not imaginary ones. And noone asks you to spend your precious time to write anything here.  Don't bother to comment.

NB - such situations clearly show the reason why we have taken our decision.

Sigh...I'm trying to help your members to understand the system and word "Merc" is mentioned total 45 times together with this post. You can perfectly find the admin who banned this player. Could you please contradicting your own members and actually help them? please.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Nihtgenga on December 18, 2012, 02:38:24 pm
"solid ground" what this mean ??
walls and roof is not solid ? so try hit the wall form head, maybe after this you will get some brain in our head

btw this half of "sky ladder" is neverending story because everybody know you will not get ban because you are mercs coalition and wolves so pls end this topic

But if Mercs grace me to read my post pls explain me this first half of topic because this "admin" is mercs memeber

Don't you understand that the first SS Haboe posted are all Grey's ladders? I count 5 on this picture alone.
And as Nocti pointed out, the skyladders by the Wolves only became skyladders due to movement of the siege tower, which was moved by greys and wolves. but those ladders where never used as sky-ladders per se.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 18, 2012, 03:11:05 pm
I think as a last post I should explain why I think this is wrong :

(click to show/hide)

As you can see in the picture some ladders are giving advantage to defending team ranged units to shoot the enemy at the walls. Basically enemy has no place to hide lets say it like this, players no longer use the map advantages. So the castle becomes only an obstacle to stop the enemy from destroying the defender ladders which were used for an unfair advantage.

It would be as wrong as, attacking team builds a sky ladder tower higher than the castle itself to shoot into defending spawns at the courtyard and defending team can longer take the advantage of the castle.

That's simply why its wrong. But I do agree that rules have to be clear about this and game mechanics should not allow such situations.

What is common sense then?

Common sense is simply saying : ok I'm using an unfair situation here, they are sitting ducks out there while I can machine gun them into pieces. I shouldn't do that.

This is common sense.

I hope I made it clear, cheers. Yet please ask it to admins.

I should also add this :

If there is a floating ladder in the sky and if there is a player on it, who cannot be shot or simply killed : That's also forbidden which falls into the topic of "unreachable places" it should not be allowed. It could be considered as "delaying"

Common sense example for the situation, in one battle which I won't name the clans : the defending last player have reached the unreachable keep. Then covered himself with siege shields on all sides and waited there for about 20 minutes where he couldn't be shot. While enemy team lost tickets by falling down while trying to teach that keep. Defending player was destroying the reaching ladders.

I believe this player was also banned for a week or two for : lacking common sense.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Pejlaen on December 18, 2012, 05:15:45 pm
Hello UIF, how does the neverending conspiracy against you feel from up there?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/211/mb109.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/211/mb109.jpg/)]

Not just UIF members, your whole roster used and gained advantage from this haha. But hey, you know, Mercs are cheaters and coldhearted evil people.

Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Pejlaen on December 18, 2012, 05:34:56 pm
ooooh i am idiot

With your attitude, language (Not referring to your English), blindly thrown accusations and from the overall contents of your posts... Sorry, but ye you are abit.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: naduril on December 18, 2012, 05:35:09 pm
I have my respect to Kinngrimm. Everybody makes mistakes (except Mercs, of course, they are innocent and holy, as usual). So I don't think that the ladders were so horrible problem as some players counts (Mercs started to whine about it, so some Greys had to continue that).
No complaint to Wolves. May be only one, the attack was too late (Not only because of you, but also Rus-Government-Dicks who kept Summer time in Winter). Please, attack a little earlier. Don't be Mercs. Let me play as well. Please :)

And to all in so called Anti-UIF.
Banning player from Defenders team by absolutely imaged reason - you are SOOOO pathetic. Keep on insulting on Forum and complain about GO and Druzhina cheaters - the only and the best thing you can.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 18, 2012, 05:43:33 pm
Please, attack a little earlier. Don't be Mercs.

Serious? Looking at the most recent battles and beyond, that i've participated in for the Apostates, have all been at a reasonable time...

you are SOOOO pathetic.

You know what's pathetic, going through an entire thread and either minusing or plusing every post based on the person that made the post. I doubt that you actually read any of them...
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 18, 2012, 05:54:09 pm
Naduril and Erasmas aka auto -1 squad. Naduril for -1'ing me for suggesting orthodox christmas break and Erasmas for -1'in me for explaining the rules to his clan members with a civil language : you guys are brilliant. I think Naduril minused me for agreeing with Segd for once.

Lets leave this topic Mercs enough is enough. They are trying to turn it into Merc=Anti UIF=But they cheat toooooo thread.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on December 18, 2012, 07:07:03 pm
Wow this thread actually stayed on topic for 2 pages, congrats. I didnt ban anyone, I think there were a few admins online so I am unsure who did it. Im pretty sure it is under the rules of common sense, as chadz cannot be ingame constantly making new rules about these things. This creates ALOT of grey areas in what is disallowed via the common sense rule. Whilst I would perhaps have given a warning first if it were me, an admins job is not easy and someone will always hate you; no matter the decision. So I would say the ban is legitimate, albeit a slight overeaction, and it is a problem that cannot be solved unless there is a clear set of rules set up on this matter.

Believe it or not there is very little communication between the devs and the admins; I could create a set of strat rules for you guys but noone would technically have to adhere to them, as I do not have the status required to legitimise their enforcement.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Haboe on December 18, 2012, 07:14:48 pm
I could create a set of strat rules for you guys but noone would technically have to adhere to them, as I do not have the status required to legitimise their enforcement.

Im already working on this. Pm'ed the great donkeylord and his crew about it, now waiting for a response.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: kinngrimm on December 18, 2012, 07:47:47 pm
...Please, attack a little earlier....
i will try to get our attacks to be done in between 20:00 and 22:00 gmt+1(this is prime time of most of our members).
My sleep rythem is already totally fucked up because of many unusal battle times we already needed to fight, so i feel your pain.
In this case MegaRambo the army leader, had activated the day before quickmarch for no reason and it came just active again so we still could do it in a fair enough time for "our" players and i really didn't want to wait yet another day.
We initally aimed for 20:00 gmt+1 as we did with all of our 4-7 battles before that.

This castle is quite annoying to take, foremost out of my reasoning because of the skyladders which denies the attackers to place Weapons Rags or Forward Spawns close to the wall. In the first attack we lost 7 Weapons Rags in the second one over 10 weapons rags because of the firing arc of those sky ladders. Forward Spawns, C-sites all got shot or because it was put too close to the walls it just didn't appear.  As there is no clear ruling on it i don't argue over those ladders, just stating the fact that they make it close to impossible to either build stuff close to the walls or just stand there to wait for the next ladder to be put in place.
Again as there is no clear ruling on this you wont get a tough time from me onto the ladders. The ban of the player i first get to know about through this forum entry and i asked later admins about it and there was also no clear position yet from what i have seen, so the ban also may be seen too harsh, at least out of my perspective.

The graphic of RXN pretty much sums it up and Nocti had some valid points though. And yes mercs(47?), it was a Wolves battle, everyone got that point from the start i believe.

As you witnessed in the 3rd attack we did a little better(not counting in those unused tickets *sigh*) but still :) some other tactics will be needed.

And to all in so called Anti-UIF.
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I always refer to us as the Eastern-Block and the Western Block on the other side.  In my opinion it has a nicer tone to.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 18, 2012, 08:26:06 pm
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Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Boss_Awesome on December 18, 2012, 08:41:01 pm
One thing I always hated about the UIF clans is that they would always look for any possible thing to exploit to win instead of just using common sense and playing the game.  Is spawning at the enemy spawn point a fair situation?  No? Then don't fucking do it.  Games are supposed to be fun, but the UIF clans have always tried to make things as unfun as possible with their win at all costs attitude.   
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 18, 2012, 08:45:33 pm
One thing I always hated about the UIF clans is that they would always look for any possible thing to exploit to win instead of just using common sense and playing the game.  Is spawning at the enemy spawn point a fair situation?
If you're talking about the forward spawn siege gear, then yes, sucks to be you, you let them get that close and do that and you gotta destroy it and rebuild it, only fair, really. And as this is something which isn't just "common sense" your admins shouldn't just ban without first getting permission from a dev AND warning the person first. However, if this is some glitch that lets them use your actual spawn flags then that is another case which clearly isn't up for discussion.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Kanclerz on December 18, 2012, 08:49:36 pm
UIF are cheating? Wtf?
Your side banned our players, change economy on strat and destroy our armies in villages and castles.
This is fair? Shut up lames.
Constantly attack the Slezkh Castle and can't get it.
You're pr0 and you can't win.
Cry moreee, maybe create a Tsunami wave and destroy our lands.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: polkafranzi on December 18, 2012, 08:54:56 pm
UIF are cheating? Wtf?
Your side banned our players, change economy on strat and destroy our armies in villages and castles.
This is fair? Shut up lames.
Constantly attack the Slezkh Castle and can't get it.
You're pr0 and you can't win.
Cry moreee, maybe create a Tsunami wave and destroy our lands.

Where'd they even find this guy?

That over defensive, angry tone (when the last page was actually quite carebear), smacks of........................

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Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Latvian on December 18, 2012, 09:14:11 pm
UIF are cheating? Wtf?
Your side banned our players, change economy on strat and destroy our armies in villages and castles.
This is fair? Shut up lames.
Constantly attack the Slezkh Castle and can't get it.
You're pr0 and you can't win.
Cry moreee, maybe create a Tsunami wave and destroy our lands.
realy?
you claim that UIF has never cheated or what?
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on December 18, 2012, 10:56:24 pm
My favourite is Naduril, he -1 literally anything with the name Merc on it, kinda funny. Best bit, on some DRZ thread Gingerpussy made a comment on how DRZ was the best of UIF with good discipline and tactics and Naduril gives -1. After 1000's of hate posts by Ging, one positive post is made and it gets -1... :D

I wonder what there was to -1 about my last post naduril? Im genuinely intrigued, do you read posts of just click a button for stress relief.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on December 18, 2012, 11:49:54 pm
Here's your daily reminder that you're taking a video game too seriously.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on December 18, 2012, 11:51:54 pm
5:45 PM <Shik>  chadz can we get some confirmation
5:45 PM <Shik> on whether it should be bannable and considered exploiting
5:45 PM <Shik> to use the enemy's forward spawn
5:45 PM <Shik> in strat battles
5:46 PM <chadz> dont think its a problem

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Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 18, 2012, 11:56:11 pm
It's obvious to me that chadz is anti, anti UIF... :)

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Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 19, 2012, 12:01:19 am
I think a certain clan need to apologize to uif for cheating and banning their players for not breaking the rules during a strategus battle...  :(
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 19, 2012, 12:02:54 am
Fuck the UIF, and fuck you!
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 19, 2012, 12:04:07 am
Fuck the UIF, and fuck you!
Whatever cheater.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 19, 2012, 12:05:50 am
Cheater? If anyone has ever caught me cheating at this game. Please come forward, it's one thing i've never done!
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 19, 2012, 12:08:17 am
If anyone has ever caught every single member of uif cheating please come forward, if not then I guess you either owe UIF an apology or you should finally admit that you guys aren't any fucking better than them.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Latvian on December 19, 2012, 12:12:56 am
If anyone has ever caught every single member of uif cheating please come forward, if not then I guess you either owe UIF an apology or you should finally admit that you guys aren't any fucking better than them.
if i understand it right than multi accaunting is form of cheating.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 19, 2012, 12:14:41 am
if i understand it right than multi accaunting is form of cheating.
And have every single UIF member got caught multiaccounting?
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 19, 2012, 12:20:10 am
What's your point exactly?
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Harpag on December 19, 2012, 12:20:28 am
And have every single UIF member got caught multiaccounting?

Harpag. 100 CD keys  :wink:
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Latvian on December 19, 2012, 12:23:30 am
And have every single UIF member got caught multiaccounting?
i still sometimes think that UIF consists of 100 keys of harpag and vovka :)
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 19, 2012, 12:31:48 am
5:45 PM <Shik>  chadz can we get some confirmation
5:45 PM <Shik> on whether it should be bannable and considered exploiting
5:45 PM <Shik> to use the enemy's forward spawn
5:45 PM <Shik> in strat battles
5:46 PM <chadz> dont think its a problem

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I agreed to that few pages before haven't I? but guess what, Naduril minused it...
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: PawelDelta on December 19, 2012, 12:36:37 am
Lol so much angry players o.0
Lizard go for president because, you love to cut out discussion. I do not always try to defend your clan because no clan is holy... :-))
And your anger do not write here just to show me I Strategus battle.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Thovex on December 19, 2012, 02:56:31 am
I never imagined +'s and -'s on the forum were the most touchy part of people here.  :lol:
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Adalwulf on December 19, 2012, 07:21:05 am
I have my respect to Kinngrimm. Everybody makes mistakes (except Mercs, of course, they are innocent and holy, as usual). So I don't think that the ladders were so horrible problem as some players counts (Mercs started to whine about it, so some Greys had to continue that).
No complaint to Wolves. May be only one, the attack was too late (Not only because of you, but also Rus-Government-Dicks who kept Summer time in Winter). Please, attack a little earlier. Don't be Mercs. Let me play as well. Please :)

And to all in so called Anti-UIF.
Banning player from Defenders team by absolutely imaged reason - you are SOOOO pathetic. Keep on insulting on Forum and complain about GO and Druzhina cheaters - the only and the best thing you can.

Not to rekindle an old flame Naduril, but wasn't it DRZ that attacked us during Christmas last strategus? You have no right to complain about attack times since attacking anyone during their holiday time on a web browser game is pretty low.

Back on subject, I believe RXN's post should be the rule for ladders. Any ladder that isn't touching an object on both ends should be destroyed by said team that put it up. It's only fair to both sides. Sure strategus is competitive and want to win but what's the point if you don't have fun and continuously bitch on the forums about it.

Regarding Pawlo's ban, it may have been a bit harsh. Maybe if possible a ban for1-2 days on EU_3 and NA_3 so he can't play in strategus battles would have been better. No matter who it is whether HRE, Grey Order, DRZ, Mercs anyone would be pissed if enemies were spawning in your spawn point. I mean why do it in the first place, it just creates a problem on the forums. If it's under handed and being cheap don't do it. Simple as that...
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on December 19, 2012, 07:52:45 am
I am tempted to make a troll alt called Ridicules. He will look greek-ish and wear a deli cap. RP-wise he's the idiot brother of Hercules.

Had to share. Carry on.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Vovka on December 19, 2012, 08:16:14 am
      At the end of star3 we had contractual battles with GO and antiuif. And even considering the fact that in every game we had specified rules have always been those who have violated these rules because of ignorance or stupidy. And if we get agree with GO, with the antiUif like fighting escalated into mutual insults.
     You can always negotiate if there is a desire on both sides, as the sky ladder dislike both sides, as well as the respawn on the enemy spawn points (btw in a field battle against the Mercs we destroy the enemy spawn and build our own, two players from the mercs roster were spawned on our spawn point and continued to do it, instead of shitposting about that we just appointed three people to spawn rape them, so they forced rejoin to server)
      I mean, if there is no specific "common sence" rule from devs for strat5, we can always negotiate our own "common sence" rules, the violation of which would be punishable by ban.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Paul on December 19, 2012, 08:59:08 am
Maybe I'll admin some Merc strat battles for fun so the admin abuse isn't that one-sided.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Segd on December 19, 2012, 09:28:31 am
Best bit, on some DRZ thread Gingerpussy made a comment on how DRZ was the best of UIF with good discipline and tactics
Even I gave him some + for that   :P

I never imagined +'s and -'s on the forum were the most touchy part of people here.  :lol:
They are renown whores(me too)  :wink: It's so painful than somebody damages your good reputation(everyone thinks he is good person)  :rolleyes:

but wasn't it DRZ that attacked us during Christmas last strategus?
Sure. But as we said last year, we didn't know about your Christmas. You know, communistic-atheistic legacy of our previous country  :oops: Damn, I didn't even know that we have our own Xmass at 7th jan  :lol:
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Adalwulf on December 19, 2012, 10:04:35 am
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If all the Clan leaders can find some common ground and agree to a rule for strategus battles that would be nice. That no matter who it was, they would be punished based on the rules that were agreed on. In a perfect crpg world....

Harpag. 100 CD keys  :wink:

Harpag you made my night, thank you good sir  ;)
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Harpag on December 19, 2012, 10:11:41 am
... but guess what, Naduril minused it...

Once again bad boys from UIF ruining your forum renown, but don't worry, everyone perfectly knows what's your true renown, Mr. Detective Noctivagant.

Write a 100-word essay on how great cheater and exploiter is Harpag, and then I'll create "Noctipussy & Gingervagina  auto + squad" Deal?

One more thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxTbdj2c61c  :)

PS. Ridicules - idiot brother of Hercules. Hahaha - sad that I can give only one "+"  :)

Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 19, 2012, 01:20:23 pm
Maybe I'll admin some Merc strat battles for fun so the admin abuse isn't that one-sided.

Sure because Khorin and Shik weren't on uif side, I don't think I've seen Shik even getting down from ladders. But of course if you oppose us you might lose your developer status and get banned Paul, who knows maybe some members of your family might disappear.
Because chadz works for us
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"Noctipussy & Gingervagina
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Awww sense of humor "pussy&vagina" funny. You must be the arithmetic man! yeah you add trouble, subtract fun, divide attention, and multiply ignorance.
Hold on I got some more : Your asinine simian countenance alludes that your fetid stench has annulled the anthropoid ape species diversity
Yeah its like comedy club here! Pussies and vaginas people!
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 19, 2012, 01:42:27 pm
Regarding Pawlo's ban, it may have been a bit harsh. Maybe if possible a ban for1-2 days on EU_3 and NA_3 so he can't play in strategus battles would have been better. No matter who it is whether HRE, Grey Order, DRZ, Mercs anyone would be pissed if enemies were spawning in your spawn point. I mean why do it in the first place, it just creates a problem on the forums. If it's under handed and being cheap don't do it. Simple as that...
Yeah, he totally deserved a ban at all even though chadz sorta said it was allowed, ban him!
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: kinngrimm on December 19, 2012, 01:49:17 pm
Yeah, he totally deserved a ban at all even though chadz sorta said it was allowed, ban him!
When chadz is not there to judge, the admins do have the power right? chadz statement onto this topic came afterwards, so that admin(which we still don't know who it was and i also don't really care) didn't act against any rules setted by chadz. I am arguing here for the admins in general not for this particular ban.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 19, 2012, 01:54:06 pm
When chadz is not there to judge, the admins do have the power right? chadz statement onto this topic came afterwards, so that admin(which we still don't know who it was and i also don't really care) didn't act against any rules setted by chadz. I am arguing here for the admins in general not for this particular ban.
I am aware of that, however, even now when it has been settled Adalwulf is still saying the guy needs a ban, and I personally believe that when you're fighting against someone, who is doing something that isn't necessarily rule breaking, and that rules haven't been laid down against, then you shouldn't assume you're right and ban the guy, you should either get permission from the devs or you should post a banthread like every regular guy has to, that way no guys get banned for doing something that offends the admin fighting against them but besides that isn't against the rules.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 19, 2012, 02:32:48 pm
I am aware of that, however, even now when it has been settled Adalwulf is still saying the guy needs a ban, and I personally believe that when you're fighting against someone, who is doing something that isn't necessarily rule breaking, and that rules haven't been laid down against, then you shouldn't assume you're right and ban the guy, you should either get permission from the devs or you should post a banthread like every regular guy has to, that way no guys get banned for doing something that offends the admin fighting against them but besides that isn't against the rules.

Thats Adawulf's OPINION and that doesn't change anything. As well as many opinions we receive from the opposing side. Don't be so close minded to criticism. If there is a problem with the ban, if its unjustified just make a post in unban section and problem will be solved. What's the point of this thread anyway? it shouldn't be about the ban it should just clear out the doubts about the rule and since chadz gave an official answer, just write the unban post.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on December 19, 2012, 04:48:50 pm
Sure because Khorin and Shik weren't on uif side
Oh yes. I have always supported UIF in its endeavours.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 19, 2012, 05:06:19 pm
Oh yes. I have always supported UIF in its endeavours.

Didn't mean that, we both had admins on our roster, its not like how Paul made the situation look like : Poor UIF getting tortured by us and our evil admins who have nothing to do but looking for an open spot to ban them. Thats actually what Grey members said in couple of topics "system is against them"
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 19, 2012, 06:55:43 pm
Didn't mean that, we both had admins on our roster, its not like how Paul made the situation look like : Poor UIF getting tortured by us and our evil admins who have nothing to do but looking for an open spot to ban them. Thats actually what Grey members said in couple of topics "system is against them"

Only been reading this but, why was a ban necessary? A kick would have been MORE than efficient but a ban and longer than 1-2 hours? Still sounds dumb to do. If there were multiple admins on, why was it the side with the spawn point that did it? Couldn't let the other admin on the enemy side handle, or even WARN the guy. No, just ban and now, because of that, you get threads like this.

Do you not think?!
I wonder to the sanity of our EU counterparts. Perhaps having an NA admin or NA player manage EU battles would be better than EU's handling themselves (and vice versa, of course).
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 19, 2012, 07:36:33 pm
Naduril, grow the fuck up and stop minusing peoples posts for no fucking reason... :|
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Latvian on December 19, 2012, 07:41:20 pm
Naduril, grow the fuck up and stop minusing peoples posts for no fucking reason... :|
how about we all just cycle through naduril's posts and minus them?  it wont change mind of this ignorant person but atleast we would let him know how we reputationwhores feel.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 19, 2012, 07:46:28 pm
how about we all just cycle through naduril's posts and minus them?  it wont change mind of this ignorant person but atleast we would let him know how we reputationwhores feel.

We could, but fuck stooping to his level...
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: KingBread on December 19, 2012, 07:56:09 pm
I don't get point of this discusion is it that one grey set his spawn point at enemy forward base ?

For me it seems like if someone capture a catapult and use it against owners or use a ladder that was SUPPOSED to bring attackers to the walls to go down from the walls.

Banning for this is abuse for me specially that nobody ever discussed that before.(or at least it is not in global conciousness yet) 
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 19, 2012, 08:11:01 pm
OP didn't exactly make it clear, personally i thought he was on about the enemy spawn at first. Rather than a forward spawn...
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Erasmas on December 19, 2012, 08:14:12 pm
For me it seems like if someone capture a catapult and use it against owners or use a ladder that was SUPPOSED to bring attackers to the walls to go down from the walls.

Pity I can't give you more than one "+". That is exactly it!
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Adalwulf on December 19, 2012, 08:35:18 pm
I am aware of that, however, even now when it has been settled Adalwulf is still saying the guy needs a ban, and I personally believe that when you're fighting against someone, who is doing something that isn't necessarily rule breaking, and that rules haven't been laid down against, then you shouldn't assume you're right and ban the guy, you should either get permission from the devs or you should post a banthread like every regular guy has to, that way no guys get banned for doing something that offends the admin fighting against them but besides that isn't against the rules.

Never said he still deserves ban. This battle was what 2 days ago? Just a ban from the strat battle would have sufficed. I normally don't agree with bans since crpg needs it's community to survive. If we keep banning people there won't be anyone left in the long run from people quitting.
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Harpag on December 19, 2012, 08:36:51 pm
"Noctipussy & Gingervagina"

Oops, sorry man, my mistake, of course it should be Noctivagina & Gingerpusy  :wink:
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Pejlaen on December 19, 2012, 08:38:56 pm
Oops, sorry man, my mistake, of course it should be Noctivagina & Gingerpusy  :wink:

gz?
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Abay on December 19, 2012, 09:07:01 pm
I think this thread changes our living class from being human to being monkeys  :lol:
Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Lizard_man on December 19, 2012, 09:16:13 pm
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Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: karasu on December 19, 2012, 09:58:18 pm
So, since tl;dr, strategus is still a open air circus?

   I thought the whole point of Strategus was to provide a good micromanagement system so factions could customize their own progression and promote excellent conditions to arrange spectacular large scale fights in the multiplayer spectrum. Not to actually see a bunch of grown ups acting like little spoiled kids only finding pleasure in ruining others fun, be it by dubious endeavour or simply by constant verbal obscenities.

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Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Noctivagant on December 20, 2012, 02:19:11 am
Oops, sorry man, my mistake, of course it should be Noctivagina & Gingerpusy  :wink:

You know sword and catapult may break the bones but name calling would break my spirit,
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Title: Re: Ridicules
Post by: Pejlaen on December 20, 2012, 03:04:41 am
He is just being a rolemodel for his clan Nocti.