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Title: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Rhaegar on December 15, 2012, 04:01:09 am
I'm using this sword for some time and I think the statistics are a little unbalanced,it is true that 28 as tip damage is very good but it is a one handed weapon and the use of this attack is limited,27 damage swing is very little...if you do not want to increase the swing damage I think it is the case at least to lower the price,what do you think?
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Froto_the_Loc on December 15, 2012, 04:42:41 am
I really don't know what to think about it.
It's a good sword, gets the job done, but you will find your self glancing on stabs because 1h, and swings because low cut damage.
A bit expensive considering real usefulness, but it isn't balanced around the actual playability of it.
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on December 15, 2012, 04:42:59 am
It has the best length of any 1H and one of the strongest pierce stabs. The thrust is a little slow if you are trying to be a rapier duelist, but it is a good weapon. Not sure why it is over 10k cost, would fit better as about 8k in my opinion.

It is weaker than its contemporaries due to the weakness inherent in 1H stabs.
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Daniisme on December 17, 2012, 03:06:26 pm
Agree, increase cut dmg!!
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: rustyspoon on December 17, 2012, 03:30:05 pm
Some people love it, but I'm not a big fan of it. Why use that when you can use the Grosse Messer instead?

You'll look like a pirate and hit like a truck. What's not to like?
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 17, 2012, 04:25:30 pm
I'm using this sword for some time and I think the statistics are a little unbalanced,it is true that 28 as tip damage is very good but it is a one handed weapon and the use of this attack is limited,27 damage swing is very little...if you do not want to increase the swing damage I think it is the case at least to lower the price,what do you think?
The short espada is a lot worse off, so are 1h stabbing weaponry in general, don't make a thread to only buff the one weapon you use when tons of people suffer under the same issues please.
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Rhaegar on December 17, 2012, 04:26:54 pm
Some people love it, but I'm not a big fan of it. Why use that when you can use the Grosse Messer instead?

You'll look like a pirate and hit like a truck. What's not to like?

ahahaha there is nothing wrong with the grosse messer,with it, you're definitely a tremendous pirate,I was wondering if there is something wrong in the long espada  :wink:
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Rhaegar on December 17, 2012, 04:38:44 pm
The short espada is a lot worse off, so are 1h stabbing weaponry in general, don't make a thread to only buff the one weapon you use when tons of people suffer under the same issues please.

I'm just giving my opinion, I think the forum is done on purpose,do not worry,if the argument does not affect anyone the topic disappear quickly and will be forgotten
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: rustyspoon on December 17, 2012, 04:50:28 pm
ahahaha there is nothing wrong with the grosse messer,with it, you're definitely a tremendous pirate,I was wondering if there is something wrong in the long espada  :wink:

The stats for the Long Espada are fine...the problem is with the mechanics. If the reliability of 1h stabs was fixed, the Long Espada would fill a useful role again.
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on December 17, 2012, 08:30:22 pm
no no no
buy a bec de corbin
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Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Malaclypse on December 17, 2012, 08:35:46 pm
It has the best length of any 1H

Arabian Cavalry Sword is two longer! Felt like mentioning that.
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Haboe on December 17, 2012, 08:39:59 pm
Its only usefull if you wanna play musketeer or something. Lots of practice with 1h stabs and you can make it a cool wep that not many will see coming (no one expects a 1hander to stab a lot)

Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Rhaegar on December 17, 2012, 09:25:28 pm
is a sword that I personally find very fun to use is the price which I think is outrageous for a weapon with a damage cut so low;should also include a musket in the price!  :)
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Rhaegar on December 17, 2012, 09:27:40 pm
no no no
buy a bec de corbin
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LoL
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: BlueKnight on December 17, 2012, 09:42:38 pm
Rhaegar you took 90% of my hp with 1 stab you remember? 64HP 59b. 53h. armour ... It is a high risk weapon, that's all. Also when it comes to prices, currently there isn't any proper price balance. In every category can you see items that should have their price changed.

(Edit: I hope I remember my build properly so that was 64 hp indeed but nvm...)
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Rhaegar on December 17, 2012, 09:50:37 pm
Rhaegar you took 90% of my hp with 1 stab you remember? 64HP 59b. 53h. armour ... It is a high risk weapon, that's all. Also when it comes to prices, currently there isn't any proper price balance. In every category can you see items that should have their price changed.


mmm ok you're convincing me,( But you must consider that the use with Power Strike:7)
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Laufknoten on December 17, 2012, 09:53:55 pm
I noticed that 1h stab works way better on shorter swords like the broad short sword which is 31c/29p on Masterwork. The long espada eslavona is the worst top tier 1h sword when unloomed. In a 1vs1 against an aware opponent the 1h stab is very hard to pull off so you have to work with those petty 27 damage on cut. In those situations the other long swords like kas, ncs are ahead of the LEE.
Once masterworked it's a pretty decent sword. The upkeep is still arguable though.
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Phew on December 20, 2012, 04:12:08 pm
Every 1-hander at one point in their career looked at the stats of the LEE and thought "wow, nearly the damage of a pick, with a 160+ reach on the thrust! Perfect!". Then they get the weapon, and glance on every thrust because of the terrible sweet spot, and glance on every swing because of the low cut damage. Then they go back to a viable weapon that doesn't rely on thrusting.
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Falka on December 20, 2012, 05:12:50 pm
you will find your self glancing on stabs because 1h,
glance on every thrust because of the terrible sweet spot, 
:rolleyes: Really... Don't blame weapon for your failures  :rolleyes: With 7 PS MW LEE don't glance if you use it properly. LEE is fine in my opinion, looks awesome, has devastating thrust, great speed and length, only swings are pretty weak. But all in all it's worth it's price.
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Rhaegar on December 20, 2012, 05:39:44 pm
:rolleyes: Really... Don't blame weapon for your failures  :rolleyes: With 7 PS MW LEE don't glance if you use it properly. LEE is fine in my opinion, looks awesome, has devastating thrust, great speed and length, only swings are pretty weak. But all in all it's worth it's price.

my failures?lol I have no problem with performance with this weapon...but I'm a level 34 21/21 I would not have even with a stick and use a sword+3,I'm not talking about my specific case,but the fact that people do not like this sword (trying to make a quick trip to the market)with a lower price and perhaps prove even find it fun to use
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Abay on December 20, 2012, 05:47:22 pm
this sword is really fine sword if you hit the enemy from a distance. But yes, the price is really high for its points. Well, Maybe it would has 32-37 cut(swing) with same thrust damage(28) then buying it for over 10k gold and paying its repair will worth it  :)
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Falka on December 20, 2012, 05:54:56 pm
my failures?lol I have no problem with performance with this weapon...but I'm a level 34 21/21 I would not have even with a stick,I'm not talking about my specific case,but the fact that people do not like this sword (trying to make a quick trip to the market)with a lower price and perhaps prove even find it fun to use
:?: I didn't quote your post, you didn't say LEE's stab glances, so why do you think I reffered to you? I didn't. :wink: As to low price of LEE on the market, just take a look at Danish GS, it's still great weapon, but it's also really cheap, probably even cheaper than LEE. It doesn't prove that sword is bad.
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Gurnisson on December 20, 2012, 06:06:12 pm
Well, Maybe it would has 32-37 cut(swing) with same thrust damage(28)

lol...
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Abay on December 20, 2012, 06:10:32 pm
lol...

I am looking at its price and feeling same thing like you-------> LOL    :lol:
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Rhaegar on December 20, 2012, 06:21:29 pm
:?: I didn't quote your post, you didn't say LEE's stab glances, so why do you think I reffered to you? I didn't. :wink: As to low price of LEE on the market, just take a look at Danish GS, it's still great weapon, but it's also really cheap, probably even cheaper than LEE. It doesn't prove that sword is bad.

hoho I apologize,I do workout with this forum  :oops:
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: rustyspoon on December 20, 2012, 07:44:51 pm
:rolleyes: Really... Don't blame weapon for your failures  :rolleyes: With 7 PS MW LEE don't glance if you use it properly. LEE is fine in my opinion, looks awesome, has devastating thrust, great speed and length, only swings are pretty weak. But all in all it's worth it's price.

No...the sweet spots on 1h stabs are pretty bad.

If you're too close you'll glance and if you're too far you'll glance regardless of your PS. To reliably land 1h stabs you need to keep a medium distance between you and your opponent. It's pretty easy if you have room to maneuver and you're fighting bad opponents, but in your average battle...not so much.

Previously, the only way to reliably land 1h stabs was to turn into them...can't do that anymore after the turn nerf.

I had to stop using my beloved Espada on my assassin character, because if someone is crowding me chances are I'll glance on a stab. 1h stabs need a fix.
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Phew on December 20, 2012, 10:06:13 pm
:rolleyes: Really... Don't blame weapon for your failures  :rolleyes: With 7 PS MW LEE don't glance if you use it properly. LEE is fine in my opinion, looks awesome, has devastating thrust, great speed and length, only swings are pretty weak. But all in all it's worth it's price.

Find friend with the same athletics as you, have them wear medium armor and just facehug you, not blocking, just stay really close. You won't be able to land a thrust without glancing. At that same distance, you can thrust fine with any 2h-hander or polearm, but not a 1h sword.

Would it be too much to ask for 1h swords to be able to stab people that are up close?
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Falka on December 20, 2012, 10:48:14 pm
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If I'm too close I should glance, so I don't see any problem here, but it's rarely happen to me. Also it's doable to make effective thrust even against facehugging opponent. I made more than 5 mln xp playing with +3 LEE and find it very effective weapon even in hands noob like me  :wink:
Title: Re: long espada eslavona,What do you think?
Post by: Gurnisson on December 20, 2012, 10:59:21 pm
Find friend with the same athletics as you, have them wear medium armor and just facehug you, not blocking, just stay really close. You won't be able to land a thrust without glancing. At that same distance, you can thrust fine with any 2h-hander or polearm, but not a 1h sword.

Bullshit. 2H and polearms glance up close, just like 1H. All stabs glance up close if you don't do any movement at all. Before the turn-rate nerf, I would spin my weapon from the side to get the required momentum to not glance. Since the turn-nerf I either pull the stab from the sky to my enemy's face or from just above ground level, to my enemy's boots. I've played all classes a lot and there's not much difference in stabs.

Polearms glance at the very beginning at the end, same as 1H. 2H is an exception after they toyed with the animation. Now it's active longer and doesn't seem to glance much at the end anymore. Only problem with 1H compared to the polearms is the higher speed gives you less of a window to turn the attack, if you're still relying on the spin-stab from the side. The 2H animation is the slow one so turning ain't really much of a hassle anyway.

Btw, I'm quite happy that the stabs works like they do. If not, there would be much more spamming around, since you could easily follow up a side-swing with a damaging insta-stab.