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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Tigero on December 06, 2012, 02:57:33 pm
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This must be done, you know what i'm talking about. You sneak up on a shielder-spammer, lock and load ans swing and BOOF you somehow magically get blocked... Or you're an archer and see a rondel dagger+bucker agiwhore approaching, aim for the knee and BOOF blocked...
Why?
-More balanced
-More realistic
-More fun
-Shielding actually would need skill
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than why do i get shot in leg while using mw heavy kite shield with 7 shield skill while standing in shieldwall with 7 bonus thingy? yes yess nerff it even more
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The force field is shit unless you go all out kinngrimm. With 6 shield skill I often get shot by ranged I'm facing.
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Well, like 2 or 3 months ago I thought removing shield forcefield was a good idea.
But the problem was, I never played shielder for longer time, it was class I never really tried, I just checked it, that's all.
Right now, when I started to play shielder with my alt, I changed my opinion about shielders, and there is good reason for that.
You can't take shielder as single class and "balance" it just like that. You have to remember it's one of melee classes. On the other side is of course 2h/pole.
So let's compare 2h to shielder:
Weapon length: 2h is better here
Weapon speed: 2h (without shield in hand 1h is faster, but with shield it's completely different story)
Blocking reaction time, attacking after block: 2h
Blocking easiness: shielder (don't need to choose direction of a block, but still need to watch out for side hits through shield)
Speed of movement: 2h (shielder need to carry additional weight)
Weapon damage: 2h
Blocking multiple opponents same time: shielder
Blocking arrows/bolts: shielder (with 5 shield skill, I still can get hit by ranged, so forcefield isn't unbeatable)
Avoiding arrows/bolts: 2h
In all crutial things, in my opinion 2h is much better than shielder. Shielder has just few advantages, and one of them is possible because of forcefield. If you remove it, it will be easier for ranged to kill shielder than 2h! Why? Because shielder can't avoid arrows/bolts effectively. It's basically standing target, covered only by his shield. If you remove forcefield, every ranged will just aim shielders legs or head, which isn't that hard. It's even possible now, but much harder thanks to forcefield.
I really like my alt shielder, but I think it has plenty of disadvantages comparing to 2h, especially since devs nerfed melee thrusts/overhead attacks. I think it nerfed shielders hardest of all, thrust is now almost useless (too risky), overhead is risky as well, left swing is short, right swing is slow. You don't have many options here as shielder.
I don't think shielder is weak class, not at all. I also don't say shielder is hard to play class. I just think 2h is so much better class in crpg, too good in fact. Nerfing shielders in any way would be like death penalty for this class. Even now it don't have many advantages over 2h, taking some of them would be just stupidity.
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When on foot the forcefield is mostly fine.
When on horse... now that's a completely different story.
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There is no such thing as a shield forcefield, except on horse, but even then if you block with a weapon it's actually worse.
Try to hit a shielder from behind. Except if you lag, you will always hit. Try to hit anyone blocking with a weapon from behind. If your weapon connects with their block it won't work, despite yourself being behind them. Shields work in a weird way because them blocking or not depends very little on what the attacker is actually doing, but rather on his relative position to the shielder. Imagine you get on the right side of a shielder and do a right to left swing. If you are facing the side of the shielder (aka not in the angle covered by the shield), it will hit, despite your weapon going literally though the shield.
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shieldforcefield has been nerfed bigtime already a few weeks ago, you are a tad late mate ;)
Tested it on different shields at start of this strat to see what shield we should get that gives bets cover, there was at lest a 120 degrees forcefield from the front, and even if aiming very high or low you never got shot in the foot or head.
Tried again last week or so, aiming down = headshot, aiming up = feet/ body shot (note, i got 7 shieldskill)
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This must be done, you know what i'm talking about. You sneak up on a archer-my old friendcher, shield is up, you want to interrupt his aim and BOOF you somehow magically get shooted... Or you're an shielder and see a pike agiwhore approaching, you block him and want to attack for the knee and BOOF hit twice in a row....
true story
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Shields should be as efficient as they look, but I doupt the forcefield bs will ever be fixed. Somehow realism isn't more important than... well, there's no reason for forcefields.
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This must be done, you know what i'm talking about. You sneak up on a shielder-spammer, lock and load ans swing and BOOF you somehow magically get blocked... Or you're an archer and see a rondel dagger+bucker agiwhore approaching, aim for the knee and BOOF blocked...
Why?
-More balanced
-More realistic
-More fun
-Shielding actually would need skill
Die in fire,or in some other horrible way.
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1H has ridicule right swing bonus and arab sword is way longer in the end than longsword and reaction time is indiffrent because shielder can counterratack even a katana, and pole users get spammed to death. 1H is OP. Not saying that 2h isn't...
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1H has ridicule right swing bonus and arab sword is way longer in the end than longsword and reaction time is indiffrent because shielder can counterratack even a katana, and pole users get spammed to death. 1H is OP. Not saying that 2h isn't...
lulz
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Force-field shields eat up arrows on horseback, but I always felt that manually blocking a melee weapon gave more of a force-field effect from horse than a shield did.
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1H has ridicule right swing bonus and arab sword is way longer in the end than longsword and reaction time is indiffrent because shielder can counterattack even a katana, and pole users get spammed to death. 1H is OP. Not saying that 2h isn't...
HUH 1h is op now? when did this happen this is the 2nd time i heard this lol
and so what if the weapon has longer reach,here remember this this knowledge is golden
Hi there
I did a new and more accurate test and actually recorded the main part of it and posted that on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntqFkHWdItk
As you should know the weapon reaches of 2 handed, 1 handed and polearms are quite a bit different depending on type and direction.
The shortest of them all is the polearm stab.
Here are numbers you can add to reaches of weapons to equalize all of the weapons and their attack directions.
Polearms :
+0 Stab
+15 Overhead
+23 Right
+15 Left
+30 If you stab while mounted or holding a shield
2 handed :
+65 Stab
+45 Overhead
+30 Right
+30 Left
1 handed :
+40 Stab
+30 Overhead
+40 Right
+15 Left
Arkonor
even then 1h is easy to block when fighting them but for some reason most people cant block the overhead of it(it tricks there eyes or something) you can just walk into there attacks and half the time they glance(its a HUGE con of 1h)and the GLORIOUS thing about polarms is that there animations let you hit people in there sides if you maneuver right angle if you are at a higher angle the right maneuver you can jump over peoples blocks and hit them in the heads with it its fucken hilarious i never mastered it with any other class
fuck nerfs,fuck buffs,fuck stuff being op literally EVERYTHING in this game has been nerfed at some time or another all it does is fuck up the balance
learn to use foot work,learn to block, feint and hold and you will fuck anyone up with anything you will be "OP"
nerfs dont help trust me
and like people said manual blocks have more force field then shield why?because shield has been nerfed repeatedly......
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I'd like to see the force field get removed, but only if they added a way so u could move ur shield. As it is right now u can basically only move it up or down and u have to turn ur whole body to the side if u want to block that way.
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I'd like to see the force field get removed, but only if they added a way so u could move ur shield. As it is right now u can basically only move it up or down and u have to turn ur whole body to the side if u want to block that way.
thats been brought up before im still for it it would be nice training wheels for beginners
i think the way it goes if you blocked the correct way with a shield you got normal damage but if you blocked wrong you got slightly more damage
fuck i think that was over a year ago :|
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The force field is shit unless you go all out kinngrimm. With 6 shield skill I often get shot by ranged I'm facing.
I thought 6 shield and a MP Huscarl would help against being shot.
I thought wrong.
Force-field shields eat up arrows on horseback, but I always felt that manually blocking a melee weapon gave more of a force-field effect from horse than a shield did.
Yeah, I'm currently 2h cav right now and it's NOT the shield giving you a forcefield when on horse, it's blocking on horseback in general. Same as you can manually block a right or left swing from behind, you can block stabs, overheads and both swings from almost all around you when on a horse. Even more so when not using a shield.
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1H has ridicule right swing bonus and arab sword is way longer in the end than longsword and reaction time is indiffrent because shielder can counterratack even a katana, and pole users get spammed to death. 1H is OP. Not saying that 2h isn't...
Extract from a xkcd mouseover-text :
Fun game: try to post a YouTube comment so stupid that people realize you must be joking. (Hint: this is impossible)
I think you may have succeeded.
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i think the way it goes if you blocked the correct way with a shield you got normal damage but if you blocked wrong you got slightly more damage
The center of the shield blocks more damage than the rim.
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where is kinngrim? without him we can not discuss the forceshield matter!
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Kinngrimm is a force shield
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If this cannot be done, then atleast remove bucker, theres nothing more annoying than aiming for the legs with a pike-like weapon and get blocked magically.
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If this cannot be done, then atleast remove bucker, theres nothing more annoying than aiming for the legs with a pike-like weapon and get blocked magically.
hey, nice idea for new 1h weapon:
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(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/buckerinuse.jpg/)
and no, buckler user can be fought like any other shielders + get an axe.
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Yay, yet another instance of this thread being revived again...
Look left, young men. Embrace it
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With the new client shield force field has been nerfed or is not working properly. Either way shit goes through and around your blocks now must easier than before. I have been standing still blocking with 5 shield and a huscarl and had people with a Great Long Axe swing at me from the front and kill me. Broken or nerfed
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With the new client shield force field has been nerfed or is not working properly. Either way shit goes through and around your blocks now must easier than before. I have been standing still blocking with 5 shield and a huscarl and had people with a Great Long Axe swing at me from the front and kill me. Broken or nerfed
If you get slightly above the shield, ranged practically ignores it.