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Title: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Glyph on April 24, 2011, 11:42:00 am
what is the best onehanded cavalry weapon?
i'd like to be onehanded cavalry but don't know what weapon i should pick.

thanks in advance,
Berethorn
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Dravic on April 24, 2011, 11:47:59 am
Elite Scimitar, Sarranid Cavalry Sword.

These two.
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Glyph on April 24, 2011, 12:03:24 pm
not the morningstar or longsword?
because i see a lot of people use those too.
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Dravic on April 24, 2011, 12:32:58 pm
Mornigstar and Longsword are both weaker. First, length. Morningstar is really short, Longsword a bit longer than Sarranid Cavalry. Dmg is nerfed by 30% (these are 2h weapons), same speed. So they both are slower...
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Glyph on April 24, 2011, 12:39:56 pm
and what about twohanders?
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Dravic on April 24, 2011, 12:58:39 pm
Both Morningstar and Longsword are twohanders.

All twohanders when used 1hand lose -30% to dmg and speed.

That's why I don't see the point of using 2hander from horseback.

Some twohanders can be used with a shield (like Longsword, Morningstar)

As far as I know (but I may be wrong), if you use i.e. Longsword on horseback with a shield, it loses more than 30% of dmg and speed (may be something like 45%).

But i am not sure about bolded part.
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Glyph on April 24, 2011, 01:22:31 pm
ok thx for replying
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Fyre on April 24, 2011, 03:04:17 pm
Granted, using the 2h from horseback means you'll probably have a nice speed bonus to counter-act the damage loss most of the time. Really just the speed that I don't like.
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Birds on April 24, 2011, 03:30:39 pm
welp... I use the tempered side sword.. lol but i'm a noob... It does some pretty epic damage. I also use the steel pick from time to time just for the bonus pierce and the... unbelieveable damage.
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on April 24, 2011, 03:43:21 pm
heavy bastard sword is excellent when used one handed on high wpf and mounted ((:
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Christo on April 24, 2011, 03:52:50 pm
SCS is the superior one, but pick the one you like the looks of, and fits your character.  :wink:
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on April 24, 2011, 04:41:17 pm
whats the csc?
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Spawny on April 24, 2011, 04:50:23 pm
Saranid Cavalry Sword

BTW, bastard weapons user on horseback without a shield have their regular 2h stats ofc.
The loss in damage with a shield can be made up for by the speedbonusses. The slow swing makes timing waaier. You have a longer window of opportunity to hit.
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Armbrust_Schtze on April 24, 2011, 05:06:50 pm
so heavy bastard sword gud for cav! (:

in general u can say all long weapons are good for cavalary xP not?
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Fyre on April 24, 2011, 07:02:09 pm
Quote from: Armbrust_Schtze on April 24, 2011, 05:06:50 pm
so heavy bastard sword gud for cav! (:

in general u can say all long weapons are good for cavalary xP not?

Yes, generally longer weapons work better on cav IMO. Easier to hit with and a tad safer.
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Banok on April 24, 2011, 07:34:47 pm
its -25% damage and -25% speed when using a 2h in 1h mode. on horseback a 2h with shield it uses 1h wpf, whereas without shield it uses 2h wpf.

so there is no advantage to using the heavy bastard sword over a saranid cav sword, unless you have higher 2h wpf than 1h and plan on swinging without a shield. since the 2h will be slower and do less damage than the 1h.

personally I dislike how overpowered 1h and lances are on horseback, like how shields can block 360 degrees on horseback. 2h are at such disadvantage its a shame since it could be a whole new interesting playstyle if it was more viable.
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Kafein on April 24, 2011, 07:45:26 pm
Quote from: Banok on April 24, 2011, 07:34:47 pm
its -25% damage and -25% speed when using a 2h in 1h mode. on horseback a 2h with shield it uses 1h wpf, whereas without shield it uses 2h wpf.

so there is no advantage to using the heavy bastard sword over a saranid cav sword, unless you have higher 2h wpf than 1h and plan on swinging without a shield. since the 2h will be slower and do less damage than the 1h.

personally I dislike how overpowered 1h and lances are on horseback, like how shields can block 360 degrees on horseback. 2h are at such disadvantage its a shame since it could be a whole new interesting playstyle if it was more viable.

Mmh... there are some interesting and original options :
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Chosen for their different weapon types.


A vaegir-knight like char with a bardiche must be uber scary :D Add a courser and you got an instakill machine.
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Dravic on April 24, 2011, 09:31:14 pm
I read Warband's instruction. -35% to dmg. Not sure about speed, so let's stay with -25% to speed.

Bardiche:

swing damage 43-35%~~28, cut
spd rtng 91-25%~~68
Length: 102

Sarranid Cavalry Sword:

swing damage 33, cut
thrust damage 19 pierce
spd rtng 95
weapon length 105


Bardiche isn't scary from horseback...

And don't change it. As it says in instruction: reason why they made it like that (devs of game) are:
- you can use 2h weapons with 1h only, it would be stupid if you could swing it and use it with same power and speed...

From me: it is also to balance things out, if 2h would be such great weapons from horseback, there wouldn't be almost NO reason to use 1h except if you can't manual block and/or you are scared of ranged. even then, 1 slot for shield isn't too much...
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Kafein on April 24, 2011, 10:09:58 pm
Quote from: Dravic on April 24, 2011, 09:31:14 pm
I read Warband's instruction. -35% to dmg. Not sure about speed, so let's stay with -25% to speed.

Bardiche:

swing damage 43-35%~~28, cut
spd rtng 91-25%~~68
Length: 102

Sarranid Cavalry Sword:

swing damage 33, cut
thrust damage 19 pierce
spd rtng 95
weapon length 105


Bardiche isn't scary from horseback...

And don't change it. As it says in instruction: reason why they made it like that (devs of game) are:
- you can use 2h weapons with 1h only, it would be stupid if you could swing it and use it with same power and speed...

From me: it is also to balance things out, if 2h would be such great weapons from horseback, there wouldn't be almost NO reason to use 1h except if you can't manual block and/or you are scared of ranged. even then, 1 slot for shield isn't too much...

My point was that bardiche was scary, not especially better than anything else. I like fitting styles and discovering new ones  :mrgreen:

The only true pro of the bardiche is that I think it's the longest bonus vs shield weapon usable on horseback. Not really important :D
As a side note, nobody uses it so many people will do errors/underestimate it.
Title: Re: best onehanded cavalry weapon?
Post by: Phazey on April 25, 2011, 02:57:02 pm
Purely for cav? A Sarrading Cavalry Sword, hands down. Reach is key. On foot i'd prefer a normal Scimitar.

I chose my Elite Scimitar as a compromise between those two swords. I almost went with the normal Scimitar, though. With a base speed 101 and a low price, it's a fantastic blade. But i already was used to a 100 range 1h.

If i would start over, i'd probably try to get used to the normal Scimitar.