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Title: HALP ME!
Post by: Tom Cruise on November 15, 2012, 12:02:28 am
I'm trying to acquire this graphics card http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7191450&CatId=3669 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7191450&CatId=3669) because it doubles my current shit and its within my price range. My dilemma is that I am not sure if it will go on sale for Cyber Monday or not. Because if I can get a sweet deal on this and spend less money then why not? If anyone has any idea how to check to see if this will go on sale or if you can find a graphics card of equal or greater performance within the price range of $150 max, then any help would be greatly appreciated :)
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Ostulor on November 15, 2012, 12:08:19 am
I heard this was General talk about cRPG, try the off-topic section.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 15, 2012, 12:16:49 am
Why not just wait for Monday?
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tom Cruise on November 15, 2012, 12:23:49 am
Why not just wait for Monday?

Because I want to stay up on Sunday and wait till midnight like a nerd. I want to be better safe then sorry.  :D
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tom Cruise on November 15, 2012, 12:24:39 am
I heard this was General talk about cRPG, try the off-topic section.

Hey Ost

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Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tanken on November 15, 2012, 12:28:13 am
Card blows, don't get it.

Added in Edit: Just kidding, I used to have the same card (two of them in fact) and I liked them a lot. Another thing you may consider is checking if you have a MicroCenter nearby you, if not, check their website, they may have Cyber Monday deals posted.

Also, go to slickdeals.net and look at their graphics card info. A lot of people leak Cyber Monday and Black Friday stuff from their company beforehand so you can know exactly what's going to be on there. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tom Cruise on November 15, 2012, 12:36:45 am
Card blows, don't get it.

Added in Edit: Just kidding, I used to have the same card (two of them in fact) and I liked them a lot. Another thing you may consider is checking if you have a MicroCenter nearby you, if not, check their website, they may have Cyber Monday deals posted.

Also, go to slickdeals.net and look at their graphics card info. A lot of people leak Cyber Monday and Black Friday stuff from their company beforehand so you can know exactly what's going to be on there. Hope that helps.

Well my current card is an ATI Radeon HD 5700 soooooooooo that one is a huge upgrade lol. I just need a good one within 150 bucks, which should be even easier with cyber monday hopefully.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Radament on November 15, 2012, 12:40:38 am
seriously , get a 660 or a 660 Ti , 560's are overrated.
take a look here , don't know price difference but it should be the same.
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=641&card2=670 (http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=641&card2=670)
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Miley on November 15, 2012, 12:52:36 am
OH, TANKEN IS POSTING IN A HELP ME THREAD.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tanken on November 15, 2012, 12:54:31 am
Well, with the 560 TI through EVGA, you're looking at running pretty much any game currently out flawlessly and with good fps.


Mount&Blade will look great, hardly any lag even with particles like fires and stuff.
Planetside 2 should be just fine.
Battlefield 3 no problem.
Assassin's Creed--puhhhlease.


It will handle what you throw at it, and EVGA is about the only manufacturer of the 560tis that I like. I had bad luck with PNYs and other junky manufacturers.


OH MILEY IS POSTING BECAUSE I POSTED BECAUSE MILEY HOLDS GRUDGES AND CAN'T MOVE ON FROM THINGS THAT HAPPENED NEARLY 4 MONTHS AGO.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Dexxtaa on November 15, 2012, 01:04:06 am
I lift things up and put them down.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tears of Destiny on November 15, 2012, 01:04:53 am
I lift things up and put them down.


This is why we made you Moderator <3


Also because of Butts...
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tom Cruise on November 15, 2012, 01:21:38 am
seriously , get a 660 or a 660 Ti , 560's are overrated.
take a look here , don't know price difference but it should be the same.
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=641&card2=670 (http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=641&card2=670)

I said I can spend 150 bucks max....
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tom Cruise on November 15, 2012, 01:22:44 am
Well, with the 560 TI through EVGA, you're looking at running pretty much any game currently out flawlessly and with good fps.


Mount&Blade will look great, hardly any lag even with particles like fires and stuff.
Planetside 2 should be just fine.
Battlefield 3 no problem.
Assassin's Creed--puhhhlease.


It will handle what you throw at it, and EVGA is about the only manufacturer of the 560tis that I like. I had bad luck with PNYs and other junky manufacturers.


OH MILEY IS POSTING BECAUSE I POSTED BECAUSE MILEY HOLDS GRUDGES AND CAN'T MOVE ON FROM THINGS THAT HAPPENED NEARLY 4 MONTHS AGO.

Ya thats what I thought. And if I ever need any more I could just dual wield those SOB's.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Mechanix on November 15, 2012, 01:42:16 am
Go for this! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150617

Faster than the GTX560, and it's the current generation of AMD cards. Fantastic performance with the latest drivers, and at $154.99 (after $20 Mail In Rebate) it's a great deal.
Definitely check it out.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Cosmos_Shielder on November 15, 2012, 02:47:53 am
here a giant ladder for almost every existing graphic card : http://choisirsoncpu.free.fr/classement-complet-cartes-graphiques.php?id=219
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Kelugarn on November 15, 2012, 02:59:43 am
Go for this! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150617 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150617)

Faster than the GTX560, and it's the current generation of AMD cards. Fantastic performance with the latest drivers, and at $154.99 (after $20 Mail In Rebate) it's a great deal.
Definitely check it out.

Newegg +1
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on November 15, 2012, 05:51:12 pm
I'm trying to acquire this graphics card http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7191450&CatId=3669 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7191450&CatId=3669) because it doubles my current shit and its within my price range. My dilemma is that I am not sure if it will go on sale for Cyber Monday or not. Because if I can get a sweet deal on this and spend less money then why not? If anyone has any idea how to check to see if this will go on sale or if you can find a graphics card of equal or greater performance within the price range of $150 max, then any help would be greatly appreciated :)

Not still if you're still looking into this one, or are looking at a different one, but I work at Best Buy, if you want I could ask them if we're gonna have any deals on any graphics cards you might be interested in. I mean personally I buy at newegg, but hey, it's worth a shot, right?
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tom Cruise on November 15, 2012, 09:15:25 pm
Not still if you're still looking into this one, or are looking at a different one, but I work at Best Buy, if you want I could ask them if we're gonna have any deals on any graphics cards you might be interested in. I mean personally I buy at newegg, but hey, it's worth a shot, right?

That would be awesome if you could :) But ya I would prefer newegg but I just dont know if they will have a sale or not.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Mechanix on November 15, 2012, 09:18:05 pm
Did you not see my post about the HD7850?
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on November 15, 2012, 10:09:25 pm
That would be awesome if you could :) But ya I would prefer newegg but I just dont know if they will have a sale or not.

Will do! I'll let you know if they will have anything decent on some that you might be interested in! Well, you can always just wait, worst thing that happens if they don't then you can just buy it normally or wait for other sales
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: HarryCrumb on November 17, 2012, 10:07:16 am
I wish I had the forums power to do so but I guess this post will have to work...

-1 to Ostulor's atrocious post.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on November 17, 2012, 12:40:44 pm
Hey, nice card. If you play though it is noisy so that shouldn't bother you.

And just make it like me: Buy a shitty ATI Toxic Card with warrant on Ebay, let it blow, get money of original price, buy new evga card :D
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tom Cruise on November 18, 2012, 11:04:31 am
Well I was doing a bit of research and it seems I should get a 2GB such as this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-150-609&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=3#scrollFullInfo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-150-609&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=3#scrollFullInfo)

I would be buying a new power supply as well. I was thinking maybe this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028&Tpk=corsair%20600w%20psu (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028&Tpk=corsair%20600w%20psu)

Now the price is jacked up a bit but it would get the job done, as well with an additional fan. The only complaint I see about this one is that it may be a little big. Im not sure how it will fair with my current tower.

This is my current PC http://www.asus.com/Desktop/Gaming/Essentio_CG1330/ (http://www.asus.com/Desktop/Gaming/Essentio_CG1330/)
I have not added anything to it in anyway. Just use it the way I got it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Mechanix on November 18, 2012, 02:55:23 pm
Only 4 expansion slots, it will be tight in there.
Take a pic of the inside of the case, because the Asus website doesn't show one.

Only reason I recommended the 1GB 7850 is because it was inside your price range.
For an extra $10, you can upgrade to the 2GB HD7870 -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161411
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tom Cruise on November 18, 2012, 07:11:43 pm
Only 4 expansion slots, it will be tight in there.
Take a pic of the inside of the case, because the Asus website doesn't show one.

Only reason I recommended the 1GB 7850 is because it was inside your price range.
For an extra $10, you can upgrade to the 2GB HD7870 -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161411

Well how will this perform though? Because I read some feedback on the 1GB  and a lot of people said that they had trouble running games like BF3, Skyrim, etc., and more like these more recent games.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Leshma on November 18, 2012, 11:26:14 pm
You should get nVidia card. Not because crap nV fanboys say, there are valid reasons for it:

1) AMD is dying company, there is a chance that next this time next year you won't be able to get new drivers for your card
2) AMD drivers for Linux are shit and Steam is getting ported to Linux
3) nVidia 660Ti series are more expensive but are better than AMD 7850/7870
4) AMD OpenGL drivers are really bad and there will be a number of good OpenGL games coming

Maybe in a month or so there will be some really good sale for 660Ti.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tom Cruise on November 18, 2012, 11:32:55 pm
You should get nVidia card. Not because crap nV fanboys say, there are valid reasons for it:

1) AMD is dying company, there is a chance that next this time next year you won't be able to get new drivers for your card
2) AMD drivers for Linux are shit and Steam is getting ported to Linux
3) nVidia 660Ti series are more expensive but are better than AMD 7850/7870
4) AMD OpenGL drivers are really bad and there will be a number of good OpenGL games coming

Maybe in a month or so there will be some really good sale for 660Ti.

Orrrrrrrrr Cyber Monday or Christmas sale hopefully. But 300 bucks man?
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Mechanix on November 19, 2012, 12:09:56 am
You should get nVidia card. Not because crap nV fanboys say, there are valid reasons for it:

1) AMD is dying company, there is a chance that next this time next year you won't be able to get new drivers for your card
2) AMD drivers for Linux are shit and Steam is getting ported to Linux
3) nVidia 660Ti series are more expensive but are better than AMD 7850/7870
4) AMD OpenGL drivers are really bad and there will be a number of good OpenGL games coming

Maybe in a month or so there will be some really good sale for 660Ti.

This is quite possibly the most stupid post I've read in 2012.
I can assume this only happens because you're talking about something you really don't know anything about.

1) AMD is not going under, at least not in the near future. Stop.

2) Who cares about Linux? Steam is being ported to Linux.. what does that mean? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

3) The GTX660TI is more expensive and the competitor to the HD7950 at the pricepoint, not the HD7850. Mind you, for $300 you could get a HD7950 and wipe the floor with a GTX660TI. It's not a good card at all for the price. With your argument, I could say the HD7970 is better than the GTX660TI, even though it's more expensive. See how stupid this sounds? OK.

4) AMD OpenGL drivers are quite fine. There's no difference between nV / AMD when it comes to OpenGL. What games are coming out that are notable using OGL?

None of your reasons are valid, it's typical nV fanboy bullshit.
BTW, I own 2 GTX680s in SLI -- Good luck with the AMD fanboy argument.

Well how will this perform though? Because I read some feedback on the 1GB  and a lot of people said that they had trouble running games like BF3, Skyrim, etc., and more like these more recent games.

For Skyrim it could be useful, for BF3 it won't make much of a difference. BF3 will use as much vRam as you have as it uses a dynamic memory system. It will use as much as you have available. I have 2 GTX680s, and it uses around 1900mb (2GB cards) in a full 64player MP server. It looks exactly the same as it did on my 2 GTX480s (1.5GB cards).
Seeing the HD7870 for an extra $10 is a pretty good deal. I would go with the 2GB HD7870 I posted in the link before.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on November 19, 2012, 12:18:57 am
Why did you - my post leshma? I think you misunderstood  it or something. :(
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Leshma on November 19, 2012, 03:14:32 am
This is quite possibly the most stupid post I've read in 2012.
I can assume this only happens because you're talking about something you really don't know anything about.

1) AMD is not going under, at least not in the near future. Stop.

2) Who cares about Linux? Steam is being ported to Linux.. what does that mean? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

3) The GTX660TI is more expensive and the competitor to the HD7950 at the pricepoint, not the HD7850. Mind you, for $300 you could get a HD7950 and wipe the floor with a GTX660TI. It's not a good card at all for the price. With your argument, I could say the HD7970 is better than the GTX660TI, even though it's more expensive. See how stupid this sounds? OK.

4) AMD OpenGL drivers are quite fine. There's no difference between nV / AMD when it comes to OpenGL. What games are coming out that are notable using OGL?

None of your reasons are valid, it's typical nV fanboy bullshit.
BTW, I own 2 GTX680s in SLI -- Good luck with the AMD fanboy argument.

For Skyrim it could be useful, for BF3 it won't make much of a difference. BF3 will use as much vRam as you have as it uses a dynamic memory system. It will use as much as you have available. I have 2 GTX680s, and it uses around 1900mb (2GB cards) in a full 64player MP server. It looks exactly the same as it did on my 2 GTX480s (1.5GB cards).
Seeing the HD7870 for an extra $10 is a pretty good deal. I would go with the 2GB HD7870 I posted in the link before.

1) AMD is in debt for 2 billion dollars, they will have lay off a lot more people if they want to survive. Their stocks are going down for months. At this rate, if nothing changes, they are down in 6-9 months. Bankrupt!

2) At this point Linux isn't important but in the future it could be, especially if Valve is building its own OS around it. I want to fully migrate to Linux. I own Windows 8 and it's complete failure. Also I'm using steam, people who buy physical copies of games belong to the past. EA Origin isn't nearly good as steam, Windows Games is utter shit and that Ubisoft  plaything is even worse...

3) Right now, 7950 might be a better choice. It's ultimate choice if you're bitcoin mining. But for everything else I would choose nVidia at this point. There will get better support through drivers in the future and their architecture is superior to AMDs in this generation. You'll see nothing than decline of AMD in next 12 months, because they don't have the cash to make a difference.

4) AMD OpenGL drivers are pure shit. Have you played any OpenGL game recently. I had and let me tell you, AMD OpenGL driver is highly unstable. Most kickstarter games that are about to come next year are built on Unity and that engine supports both DirectX and OpenGL. Many tablet games will be ported to PC and they run on OpenGL. OpenGL is the future, like it or not.

I'm not nV fanboy, in fact I haven't used many nVidia graphics cards during last 10 years. Most GPU I've used were made by ATI and I loved them. Currently I'm using AMD CPU and GPU and everything is working fine and I'm satisfied. However AMD is going down as a company, it's foolish to invest in their products.

Although I have to admit that Battlefield 3 or upcoming 4 aren't high on my priority list. I don't play modern combat FPS games anymore, although I own quite the few of them. Skyrim is game I've tried, played for 20 hours but gave up after that.

Grand Theft Auto V will probably going to work better on nV card. GTAIV like Intel+nVidia combination a lot more than AMD.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Oberyn on November 19, 2012, 03:17:47 am

I can assume this only happens because you're talking about something you really don't know anything about.

Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Mechanix on November 19, 2012, 04:16:39 am
1) AMD is in debt for 2 billion dollars, they will have lay off a lot more people if they want to survive. Their stocks are going down for months. At this rate, if nothing changes, they are down in 6-9 months. Bankrupt!

2) At this point Linux isn't important but in the future it could be, especially if Valve is building its own OS around it. I want to fully migrate to Linux. I own Windows 8 and it's complete failure. Also I'm using steam, people who buy physical copies of games belong to the past. EA Origin isn't nearly good as steam, Windows Games is utter shit and that Ubisoft  plaything is even worse...

3) Right now, 7950 might be a better choice. It's ultimate choice if you're bitcoin mining. But for everything else I would choose nVidia at this point. There will get better support through drivers in the future and their architecture is superior to AMDs in this generation. You'll see nothing than decline of AMD in next 12 months, because they don't have the cash to make a difference.

4) AMD OpenGL drivers are pure shit. Have you played any OpenGL game recently. I had and let me tell you, AMD OpenGL driver is highly unstable. Most kickstarter games that are about to come next year are built on Unity and that engine supports both DirectX and OpenGL. Many tablet games will be ported to PC and they run on OpenGL. OpenGL is the future, like it or not.

I'm not nV fanboy, in fact I haven't used many nVidia graphics cards during last 10 years. Most GPU I've used were made by ATI and I loved them. Currently I'm using AMD CPU and GPU and everything is working fine and I'm satisfied. However AMD is going down as a company, it's foolish to invest in their products.

Although I have to admit that Battlefield 3 or upcoming 4 aren't high on my priority list. I don't play modern combat FPS games anymore, although I own quite the few of them. Skyrim is game I've tried, played for 20 hours but gave up after that.

Grand Theft Auto V will probably going to work better on nV card. GTAIV like Intel+nVidia combination a lot more than AMD.

1) This won't be a problem. AMD, if it does go bankrupt (and it will take longer than 6-9 months), would be subsequently bought by (most likely) Microsoft. They would continue the manufacturing aspects and nothing would change, just new management.

2) Linux has been around a very long time. It's not the future, it never will be the future, and it will continue being the developer OS for it's completely open source coding. Valve is not building it's own OS, as they aren't interested in getting involved with Microsoft / Apple. When Valve says they are porting Steam to Linux, it's the same as when they ported Steam to OSX. All they are doing is adding support for Steam in the Linux OS. Steam will continue to have Mac and Windows support, and Windows being the fastest to receive updates.

3) There is nothing that indicates nVidia's architecture is better than AMD's in the current generation. The HD7970 is roughly 15-20% faster than the GTX680 with the new 12.11 drivers, and is substantially cheaper. This is coming from a GTX680 owner. Trust me, I'm pissed. AMD may be bankrolling on a deficit right now but they are in the process of re-investing from bad markets into new markets. They will be OK if they make smart decisions in the next fiscal year.

4) OpenGL is not the future. It's been around forever, and even with the famous John Carmack praising it as the better system, it's gone no where. You said it yourself, Unity engine has support for both DirectX and OpenGL, so there is no problem here. If, as you say, notable games are in development using OpenGL, then AMD will respond and up the driver support. Until then, there's no need for them to waste money on a low-tier system.

I will give it to you that GTAIV plays better on nVidia GPUs, but we can't say the same about GTAV. Speculation like that just leads to bullshit being posted, and I'd like to see that avoided.
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: dreadnok on November 20, 2012, 03:49:47 pm
Relax mech, does cyberpower make good comps? Need to get one
Title: Re: HALP ME!
Post by: Tom Cruise on November 20, 2012, 09:34:16 pm
Relax mech, does cyberpower make good comps? Need to get one

Hey sweetie.