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Title: shielder build questions
Post by: beez on April 22, 2011, 05:44:08 am
Hi,

I'm new to this mod and so far I love it, I'm currently playing 1h + shield with a Long Espada Eslavona. I will retire soon and since I fucked up a bit my original build, I would like to get advices on my future character :).

Currently I'm playing 18 str 18 agi but I really lack of power so here is what I tend to do:

    * Strength: 24
    * Agility: 15
    * Hit points: 59

    * Converted: 6
    * Ironflesh: 0
    * Power Strike: 8
    * Shield: 5
    * Athletics: 5
    * Riding: 0
    * Horse Archery: 0
    * Power Draw: 0
    * Power Throw: 4
    * Weapon Master: 4

    * One Handed: 141
    * Two Handed: 1
    * Polearm: 1
    * Archery: 1
    * Crossbow: 1
    * Throwing: 1

I like throwing in mellee versus 2h or shielders but do I really need WPF for it ? Also, will WM 4 be enough ?
Thanks for advices :).
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: Wallace on April 22, 2011, 05:49:33 am
My advice... put down the throwing weapons and learn to fight
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: beez on April 22, 2011, 06:05:53 am
I'm playing pure 1h + shield actually, mainly for low upkeep but it gets boring sometimes and I just would like to have another option in certain situations.
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: John on April 22, 2011, 11:02:56 am
Quote from: Wallace on April 22, 2011, 05:49:33 am
My advice... put down the throwing weapons and learn to fight

Aren't you one of those full strength barmace crush guys?
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: Patricia on April 22, 2011, 11:14:47 am
Quote from: Wallace on April 22, 2011, 05:49:33 am
My advice... put down the throwing weapons and learn to fight

Teehee, the irony is killing.
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: Spawny on April 22, 2011, 11:19:21 am
Better would be to remove the PT and put 1 more in WM + the rest in IF.

24/15

3 IF
8 PS
5 Shield/Athletics/WM

~150 wpf in 1h
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: Phazey on April 22, 2011, 12:54:49 pm
I think going 21/15 would be more balanced. Going 24/15 on a 1h+thower requires too many converted skillpoints. Either drop throwing like Spawny says or go 21/15:
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Decide for yourself wether to go 0 wpf thrower or put some points in there for extra accuracy.
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: Kafein on April 22, 2011, 01:02:35 pm
Quote from: Wallace on April 22, 2011, 05:49:33 am
My advice... put down the throwing weapons and learn to fight

Despite what all others can say "ad hominem", this is true nevertheless.
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: Reyiz on April 22, 2011, 01:08:11 pm
Quote from: Phazey on April 22, 2011, 12:54:49 pm
I think going 21/15 would be more balanced. Going 24/15 on a 1h+thower requires too many converted skillpoints. Either drop throwing like Spawny says or go 21/15:
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Decide for yourself wether to go 0 wpf thrower or put some points in there for extra accuracy.

with zero ironflesh, you will realize you die quickly. So i recommend you not to give any pt skill. Here is my current build;

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 70
Converted: 2
Ironflesh: 7
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5

One Handed: 146
Polearm: 6

Equip also a pike, awlpike, or a long awlpike instead of throwing weapons. It will give you advantage against cavalary
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: Kafein on April 22, 2011, 01:11:21 pm
Quote from: Reyiz on April 22, 2011, 01:08:11 pm
with zero ironflesh, you will realize you die quickly. So i recommend you not to give any pt skill. Here is my current build;

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 70
Converted: 2
Ironflesh: 7
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5

One Handed: 146
Polearm: 6

Equip also a pike, awlpike, or a long awlpike instead of throwing weapons. It will give you advantage against cavalary

You said it all.
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: BattalGazi on April 22, 2011, 01:33:20 pm
Quote from: Reyiz on April 22, 2011, 01:08:11 pm
with zero ironflesh, you will realize you die quickly. So i recommend you not to give any pt skill. Here is my current build;

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 70
Converted: 2
Ironflesh: 7
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5

One Handed: 146
Polearm: 6

Equip also a pike, awlpike, or a long awlpike instead of throwing weapons. It will give you advantage against cavalary

He is right. Here is what I think about common builds:

18/18 :  Weak in strike, too much usage of agi points on shield, athletics and etc. Go for it if you are a ninja
21/18: Too much converted points, you waste them instead of using them for ironflesh or so: you die pretty quick
24/15: Too much converted points again, and again you die quickly. And your damage only increases about 4 points or so.
21/15: If you give your points like the way Reyiz said, then you have a descent 1h+shield character. Rest of your success depends on your ability to fake your attacks and chambering.

Also I still could not observe the speed difference between 1 handed weapon proficiency of 5 WM vs. 6 WM. Also there's only 1-2 points of increase in your attacks when you have full 6WM based proficiency. Therefore I stick with 21 str and 15 agi.
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: BattalGazi on April 22, 2011, 01:36:13 pm
And I forgot to mention that, carrying a pike with you always increases your chances to survive on an open field against cavalry. Keep it hidden till the last few seconds and ta taaaaaa ! you see the cavalry guy shit his pants and die a horrible death among you and your cohort hungry teammates :)

+1 to Reyiz for bringing up the subject ;)
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: Kafein on April 22, 2011, 03:19:01 pm
Quote from: BattalGazi on April 22, 2011, 01:36:13 pm
And I forgot to mention that, carrying a pike with you always increases your chances to survive on an open field against cavalry. Keep it hidden till the last few seconds and ta taaaaaa ! you see the cavalry guy shit his pants and die a horrible death among you and your cohort hungry teammates :)

+1 to Reyiz for bringing up the subject ;)

Hum... I suggest you deliver us your timing secrets, I find it extremely difficult to show your pike not too soon and still be able to attack with it. I was never able to do that against sarranid horses.
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: BattalGazi on April 22, 2011, 04:40:45 pm
Quote from: Kafein on April 22, 2011, 03:19:01 pm
Hum... I suggest you deliver us your timing secrets, I find it extremely difficult to show your pike not too soon and still be able to attack with it. I was never able to do that against sarranid horses.

Ok, I might have exaggerated it a little bit :) But you got my point ;) Even showing your pike to your enemy and waving it in the air helps you scare them from a distance, which generally keeps you alive. I have not used the other pole arms, but as the pike is hidden when sheathed, you can trick the cavalry on some occasions, mostly when whey are trying to escape from a group in front of you by passing beside you. Overall, I suggest a long pole arm for all 1h+shield builds.
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: Murchad on April 22, 2011, 07:45:13 pm
my last shielder was really fun.
27/12
9ps
4ath
4shield
4wm
2 extra points

very strong and with 4ath didnt seem slow to me especially with light armor

with the 2 extra points i did powerdraw because i wanted to masterwork my shortbow.
but you could do 2IF
i actually got quite a few kills using the shortbow even with only 2ps and barely any wpf
just use it for naked people and to interupt crossbow reloads while moving toward them
also got a lot of lucky headshots. the lower bows need less wpf to be accurate
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: beez on April 23, 2011, 12:04:05 am
thanks guys, it helps a lot :)

Quote from: Reyiz on April 22, 2011, 01:08:11 pm
with zero ironflesh, you will realize you die quickly. So i recommend you not to give any pt skill. Here is my current build;

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 70
Converted: 2
Ironflesh: 7
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5

One Handed: 146
Polearm: 6

Equip also a pike, awlpike, or a long awlpike instead of throwing weapons. It will give you advantage against cavalary

What about that ?

Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Converted: 2
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 2
Weapon Master: 5

One Handed: 146
Throw: 6

I just hate polearms and I have no problem with cavalry in general, except on really open maps.
2 PT gives me access to the cheapest axes which will be ok I think since it's mainly to damage a shield or defend a ladder in siege.

Tell me what you guys think :D
Cya in game !
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: El_Infante on April 23, 2011, 12:38:45 am
Quote from: beez on April 23, 2011, 12:04:05 am

I just hate polearms and I have no problem with cavalry in general, except on really open maps.
2 PT gives me access to the cheapest axes which will be ok I think since it's mainly to damage a shield or defend a ladder in siege.

Tell me what you guys think :D
Cya in game !

2PT isn't enough. Throwing become useful when you have at least 6PT with 100wpf on throwing, or at least 7PT.
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: beez on April 23, 2011, 01:07:11 am
Well as I said I don't want to throw 24/7, I will just carry a bunch of axes to use in certain situations, to kite ppl or to damage a shield. Anyway I don't need insane accuracy so is 2 PT really too low ?
Thanks anyway :)
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: El_Infante on April 23, 2011, 02:57:34 am
With PS 8, you need 4-5 heavy throwing axes to break a huscarl. :-) If you mean throwing franciscas to peasants... ok. With PT2, a ninja with black lammelar armor suffers around.. 5, 10, 15 points of damage? No more.

If you want to be a thrower hybrid go for 21/15 with PT7 or 18/18 with PT6. The curve on PT is very unbalanced. From 0 to 6 is pretty useless. From 6-8 it's get a nice boost. From 8 to 10, it's awesome. From 10 to 12 is from another world or something. Just try to play a full thrower and see what I am talking about.
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: beez on April 23, 2011, 04:12:34 am
Alright I got it XD. Then I will stick to 1h + shield, maybe with a polearm, don't know yet :).
Anyway thanks to all you guys for your awsome advices :D.
Title: Re: shielder build questions
Post by: BattalGazi on April 23, 2011, 12:34:42 pm
Well, unfortunately giving some points to PT does not live up to your expectations, especially when it's below 5. I always face situations when I regret not to have something to throw, but in order to have my throwing skill powerful, I know that I have to sacrifice my 1h skills, which is something I really don't want :)

Also keep in mind that people are talking about the new slot system which might, ( I'm not totally sure about it, check it out yourself ), alter the hybrid builds by disabling carrying a side weapon such as a pike or throwing stuff. If those are to come true, then things we are discussing right now won't even matter. My suggestion is to try both builds; polearm vs throwing as a side weapon, before the new patch comes. Then you decide which one was more effective and let us know ;)