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Strategus => Strategus Issues => Topic started by: Keshian on November 12, 2012, 11:00:00 am

Title: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Keshian on November 12, 2012, 11:00:00 am
So first we successfully atatcked Tanken_KUTT and he retreated after battle started - lost all his troops, gear, and was teleported.

Then the very next battle - Doom_KUTT was defending also, he retreated at the very beginning before anyone spawned  (and no one spawned - we just won) and he kept all his gear, troops, and was not teleported.  Not sure but it seems to be glitching out because he retreated before battle start.  Still has his 119 man army and right next to Curaw.  If he had been carrying goods this would have been an obvious cheat to get back to fiefs despite being attacked for its trade goods.

Can a developer look into this because it seems highly exploitable to tie up attacker for 24 hours and the lose nothing or escape raiders without actually fighting.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Dutchydave on November 12, 2012, 11:14:05 am
what about the expliot some clans where using to turn massive army's invisible untill they attacked?think it has something to do with changing clan colour.not mentioning any names though ;)
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Keshian on November 12, 2012, 11:18:56 am
what about the expliot some clans where using to turn massive army's invisible untill they attacked?think it has something to do with changing clan colour.not mentioning any names though ;)

???  forest makes armies invisible to far away viewers  - not a glitch, if you understood strat you would know this.  But you just teleported attacker, stole all his gear, and killed 800 troops without a fight by retreating before battle started and having no one spawn on either side even though we had more mercs too.  Nice job taking advantage of a glitch to cheat - only way you could win.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Zildjan on November 12, 2012, 11:21:25 am
And then he tried to do the same thing in the next battle but apparently it doesn't work as the attacker... Really lame trying to exploit glitches man you need to KUTT it out
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Dutchydave on November 12, 2012, 11:22:31 am
nope the army's i seen turn isvisible where in the open and appeared on attack with 2000+ troops twice and both times their clan colour had changed,they know who they are and obviously knew about the bug to do it the 2nd time
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Vibe on November 12, 2012, 11:23:02 am
nope the army's i seen turn isvisible where in the open and appeared on attack with 2000+ troops twice and both times their clan colour had changed,they know who they are and obviously knew about the bug to do it the 2nd time

and that makes it ok for you guys to abuse glitches?
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Dutchydave on November 12, 2012, 11:23:35 am
And then he tried to do the same thing in the next battle but apparently it doesn't work as the attacker... Really lame trying to exploit glitches man you need to KUTT it out

i was always retreating,i was hpoing for a free ride to eu map
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: dodnet on November 12, 2012, 11:23:41 am
Well at least Wataga are exploiting the color changes to hide themselves. They changed their faction color a few times already, atm they use a light grey which almost looks like neutral ones. Changing color so often should be forbidden or at least somehow limited (only once every month).

I have also seen DRZ and some other clans often hide their troops by stacking them up. So one blob hides the blobs below.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Gristle on November 12, 2012, 11:24:20 am
Defender retreated before attacker could spawn and attacker was declared the loser. Lost gear, 800 troops, and was sent to EU. This is a serious problem.

what about the expliot some clans where using to turn massive army's invisible untill they attacked?think it has something to do with changing clan colour.not mentioning any names though ;)

What? No, really, what? You are accusing us of something? I've never heard of an invisible army exploit. Why even bring that up?
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Andswaru on November 12, 2012, 11:24:29 am
nope the army's i seen turn isvisible where in the open and appeared on attack with 2000+ troops twice and both times their clan colour had changed,they know who they are and obviously knew about the bug to do it the 2nd time

thats just the map been epic fail, that happens to us all. Dont feel special or extra cheated.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Dutchydave on November 12, 2012, 11:26:56 am
and that makes it ok for you guys to abuse glitches?

who is explioting? I think it is sweet justice and i dont actually think its a bug,im guessing it was built in to stop large armies bullying pesants,time will tell ;)
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Vibe on November 12, 2012, 11:28:13 am
who is explioting? I think it is sweet justice and i dont actually think its a bug,im guessing it was built in to stop large armies bullying pesants,time will tell ;)

Lol. Way to ruin your clan's reputation in trying to repeatedly cheat/abuse strategus because you guys can't handle losing in an internet game.

Hope you get permabanned.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Andswaru on November 12, 2012, 11:29:10 am
extra hard permaban please.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Keshian on November 12, 2012, 11:30:06 am
who is explioting? I think it is sweet justice and i dont actually think its a bug,im guessing it was built in to stop large armies bullying pesants,time will tell ;)

So you are going to try to glitch again a third time in a row - how is this guy not banned already.  KUTT cheats - great way to show how your clan operates because they do so poorly in strat.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Keshian on November 12, 2012, 11:32:55 am
Yet attacker lost all his gear and troops and was teleported.

Fus_BRD vs DooM_KUTT - Hide Details
- Battle time: 12.11., 10:46
- Battle duration: 00m00s
- Army size: 791 vs 118
- Battle result: 810 vs 118
- Winner: Defender

The following soldiers were hired:
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Kesh_Unicorns   0:0   0 G      
Billy_Whitmore   0:0   0 G      
Gristle_BRD   0:0   0 G      
Cavalieres_Mike_N_Ike   0:0   0 G      
Fallen_Boss_Awesome   0:0   0 G      
Fallen_Zildjian   0:0   0 G      
Fallen_ManceRayder   0:0   0 G      
GrannPappy_BRD   0:0   0 G      
   
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Dutchydave on November 12, 2012, 11:35:09 am
Lol. Way to ruin your clan's reputation in trying to repeatedly cheat/abuse strategus because you guys can't handle losing in an internet game.

Hope you get permabanned.

 how the hell are we cheating or explioting?as far as i know we where retreating as a group just as an aknoledgment of defeat,we didnt know this shit would happen,sounds like your just crying and now trying to blame KUTT for something the devs are responsible for and for the record im the only KUTT member in this forum so far and thats because i think it is funny as hell and a bit of sweet revenge(for free ;) ).
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Boss_Awesome on November 12, 2012, 11:36:46 am
how the hell are we cheating or explioting?as far as i know we where retreating as a group just as an aknoledgment of defeat,we didnt know this shit would happen,sounds like your just crying and now trying to blame KUTT for something the devs are responsible for and for the record im the only KUTT member in this forum so far and thats because i think it is funny as hell and a bit of sweet revenge(for free ;) ).

Of course it isn't your fault the first time you do it.  However, if you are trying to recreate it then....
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Dutchydave on November 12, 2012, 11:39:51 am
Of course it isn't your fault the first time you do it.  However, if you are trying to recreate it then....

 yeah well the others before dooms battle also retreated and didnt get any gear,so what is KUTT explioting? we where retreating respectfully and as i said i just was hoping for a free ride to eu but instead stayed in the same bloody spot :(
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Gristle on November 12, 2012, 11:40:36 am
Dutchy, it looks to me like:

1. You don't know the difference between an exploit and a map bug (I guess that's whatever you're talking about is???).
2. You are using that to justify your use of an exploit.

Why else would you come into this thread and say all the stupid shit you said? No one was accusing KUTT until you spoke up. Now you're suddenly suspicious. You really should have just stayed quiet. Respect definitely lost. Why start cheating now of all times?
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Andswaru on November 12, 2012, 11:40:54 am
And this is what we call a quick reaction to the tide of public opinion. Dave go into politics.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Dutchydave on November 12, 2012, 11:45:18 am
Dutchy, it looks to me like:

1. You don't know the difference between an exploit and a map bug (I guess that's whatever you're talking about is???).
2. You are using that to justify your use of an exploit.

Why else would you come into this thread and say all the stupid shit you said? No one was accusing KUTT until you spoke up. Now you're suddenly suspicious. You really should have just stayed quiet. Respect definitely lost. Why start cheating now of all times?

LMFAO im just in this thread cause i think its funny as,after being on the recieving end of watching my beloved KUTT get destroyed it was a small victory to watch peeps like you have a big cry(sorry but its the only amusement I have had in strat for quiet sometime)before this war was declared i was just happy doing trade runs and life was cruisy
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Vibe on November 12, 2012, 11:50:59 am
LMFAO im just in this thread cause i think its funny as,after being on the recieving end of watching my beloved KUTT get destroyed it was a small victory to watch peeps like you have a big cry(sorry but its the only amusement I have had in strat for quiet sometime)before this war was declared i was just happy doing trade runs and life was cruisy

So basically you're butthurt because you lost and would want to see people get fucked over by bugs instead of being a man and just dealing with it? Kind of the same mentality the banned multi-accounters had, I would say.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Gristle on November 12, 2012, 11:55:43 am
LMFAO im just in this thread cause i think its funny as,after being on the recieving end of watching my beloved KUTT get destroyed it was a small victory to watch peeps like you have a big cry(sorry but its the only amusement I have had in strat for quiet sometime)before this war was declared i was just happy doing trade runs and life was cruisy

Not really the time or place for whatever personal issue you have. We're just trying to report a glitch. Any losses your faction had were legitimate, so go be a baby somewhere else.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Dutchydave on November 12, 2012, 11:55:58 am
So basically you're butthurt because you lost and would want to see people get fucked over by bugs instead of being a man and just dealing with it? Kind of the same mentality the banned multi-accounters had, I would say.
i dont think its good to see anyone fucked over by bugs mate,i was dealing with it and on a bright side it actually motivated me more as now i had something to fight for and in 6months time i will be back for revenge.but yes if i should be permbanned cause i think it is funny as fuck fcc got bugged ;)then so be it :P
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: BaleOhay on November 12, 2012, 04:26:57 pm
Doing it once.. seeing you won by a clear bug sucks. deciding to try it again is a violation and should be banned.We would like our near 800 troops gear and active faction member returned. Not going to happen I am sure.

Dutchy we have been friendly.. Kutt lost. it sucks but actively cheating as a form of revenge and amusement is sad.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: chadz on November 12, 2012, 04:36:08 pm
two facepalms for not giving the link to the battle.

But 8 and possibly permaban for someone intentionally abusing this (aka doing it more than once)
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: dodnet on November 12, 2012, 04:55:45 pm
But 8 and possibly permaban for someone intentionally abusing this (aka doing it more than once)

All hail king donkey!

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Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 12, 2012, 04:57:44 pm
So, wait...how was dutchy still on the NA map side after loosing a battle...oh 5 days ago as a defender. He retreated(by accident) during that battle mid way through.

It seems to be a gltich with retreating as defender. You lose everything, but don't get warped. Probably should be fixed.

Also, since it doesn't work as attacker, even better since it's known as a bug AND we now know the exact cause. If someone else does it, then harsh penalties should come. Using an exploit the first time isn't exploiting in so much as it's I found a bug, and it helped me...

This isn't the first time I've seen a retreat at start. Usually a misplaced battle gets a retreat at start(for attackers), as defenders are known to lose everything and get warped. It's good that it happened so that it can be fixed, bad that you lost all those troops.

Also, in the end, you got all that gear back if dutchy attacked you and retreated.(plus his gear). At least, you should have.

Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Notoriety on November 12, 2012, 05:42:48 pm
as far as i know, kutt tried to recreate this glitch/bug. they stopped on the third battle when an admin was apparently called in to spectate.

chad, here is the link

http://strategus.c-rpg.net/news.php?battle=1352

FCC was present for the battle.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 12, 2012, 06:52:29 pm
as far as i know, kutt tried to recreate this glitch/bug. they stopped on the third battle when an admin was apparently called in to spectate.

chad, here is the link

http://strategus.c-rpg.net/news.php?battle=1352

FCC was present for the battle.

Link to the participated battles page for the battle. No one can view that link except the faction.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Keshian on November 12, 2012, 07:04:12 pm
two facepalms for not giving the link to the battle.

But 8 and possibly permaban for someone intentionally abusing this (aka doing it more than once)

First time he succesfully did it.
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1352 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1352)
(the battle shows different results than what happened, listed as losing and we lost all 800 troops and doom_kutt is running around with all our gear and 119 troops, I attacked him after an hour to try and get the gear abck, but will lose more tickets again in the process)  Dutchy_KUTT initiated the retreat both times

Then he tried again in the next fight.
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1354 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1354)
but it didnt seem to work because we were actually the defenders in that one.

Andswaru showed up for the last battle and vibe had mentioned banning in this thread, so he decided not to show up for the last one (thank god didnt want to lose another 700 troops and all the gear leftover from curaw siege, he was the attacker)
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1355 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1355)

It would be nice to get the troops and gear back, but the main thing is to get it fixed as I think they will just try it again when an admin is not around.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: dodnet on November 12, 2012, 07:13:44 pm
Next carpet ban of factions will be NA then?  :lol:
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: BaleOhay on November 12, 2012, 07:16:02 pm
So they successfully did it to us twice and tried a third that failed because they were the attacker?
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 12, 2012, 07:34:50 pm
So they successfully did it to us twice and tried a third that failed because they were the attacker?

No, they did it once, and failed a second time as attackers. Never bothered for the third one.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Gristle on November 12, 2012, 07:35:36 pm
So they successfully did it to us twice and tried a third that failed because they were the attacker?

We had 4 battles this morning:

1st: Defender retreated with no problems.
2nd: Defender retreated but somehow attackers lost.
3rd: Possible attempt to recreate the glitch but failed, likely because they were the attacker in this one.
4th: Defender didn't bother to show up, which was probably related to the drama seen in this thread.

Dutchy was the one to initiate the retreat all 3 times. I wouldn't have thought anything of it if it weren't for his incredibly suspect posts in this thread. Now I wonder why they would bother to show up at all when they only had 100 man armies and the plan was to retreat? If they had no intention of fighting and the result would be the same either way why bother unless he was aware of a glitch? There was an issue with someone retreating earlier in the war. Was that Dutchy, too?
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: stickher on November 12, 2012, 08:06:59 pm
loook at my msg


From:Moderators
To:Fus_BRD
Received:12/11/2012 04:48:21 AM
You have lost the battle against DooM_KUTT [63]
810 of 791 survived the battle.
Your soldiers killed 0 of their 118 men.

Item Result:
500 Rus Shoes lost
500 Horned Steppe Cap lost
500 Leather Gloves lost
100 Simple Sword lost
20 Boar Spear lost
70 Round Cavalry Shield lost
200 Sharp Arrows lost
40 Balanced Bastard Sword lost
550 Bolts lost
60 Fine Horn Bow lost
10 Heavy Bastard Sword lost
10 Two Handed Axe lost
250 Mail Mittens lost
70 Bastard Sword lost
50 Cracked Two Handed Axe lost
15 Nomad Bow lost
10 Strong Nomad Bow lost
500 Thick Blue Gambeson lost
50 Heavy Two Handed Axe lost
119 Deadly Boar Spear lost
6 Masterwork Arbalest lost
30 Heavy Round Shield lost
30 Light One Handed Battle Axe lost
15 Long Axe lost
10 Awlpike lost
10 Damaged Francisca lost
50 Thick Black Lamellar Vest lost
31 Thick Old Board Shield lost
5 Heavy War Axe lost
45 Sharp Bolts lost
15 Tempered Nordic Sword lost
45 Tempered Falchion lost
26 Deadly Light Lance lost
29 Elite Cavalry Shield lost
15 Light Crossbow lost
100 Dented Vaegir Helmet lost
100 Tattered Rawhide Coat lost
100 Battered Old Heater Shield lost
50 Cracked Quarter Staff lost
150 Masterwork Arrows lost
30 Masterwork Crossbow lost
10 Well Made Arbalest lost
300 Thick Khergit Lamellar Vest lost
400 Mail Coif lost
300 Rus Cavalry Boots lost
25 Mallet lost
50 Pike lost
30 Blue Norman Shield lost
50 Damaged Darts lost
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Tanken on November 12, 2012, 08:40:31 pm
Sooooo, I'm just logging on after having beeen off all night. I don't know what caused the glitch, I did however tell my members to retreat from the battles simply to get through these horrific times as I stated in the other thread. This is the first I'm hearing of a glitch/exploit, and I do apologize for Dutchy's behavior.

Dutchy has been under the impression that Teutonics found some glitch that turned their armies invisible, which, is believable somewhat. The glitch he's referring to (though it could just be a map bug) is everytime that Teutonics have changed their color (now 3 or 4 times) whatever armies in motion they've had go invisible for about an hour, including the army that raided Slezkh Castle.

On a side note..

There was no intent put in place by KUTT as a whole to make use of an exploit, as I've stated we just wanted to get to EU side (this needs to be fixed too, fucking devs, why do we go to EU and never respawn in NA?) and then work on making our way back. The retreat was just to get us gone faster and not have to deal with crap--but here we are.  :?
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: BaleOhay on November 12, 2012, 09:31:10 pm
Can we get our gear back
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Rikthor on November 12, 2012, 09:36:37 pm
Can we get our gear back

No, the devs don't refund gear due to bugs, exploits, or hacking even.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Dutchydave on November 12, 2012, 11:16:43 pm
We had 4 battles this morning:

1st: Defender retreated with no problems.
2nd: Defender retreated but somehow attackers lost.
3rd: Possible attempt to recreate the glitch but failed, likely because they were the attacker in this one.
4th: Defender didn't bother to show up, which was probably related to the drama seen in this thread.

Dutchy was the one to initiate the retreat all 3 times. I wouldn't have thought anything of it if it weren't for his incredibly suspect posts in this thread. Now I wonder why they would bother to show up at all when they only had 100 man armies and the plan was to retreat? If they had no intention of fighting and the result would be the same either way why bother unless he was aware of a glitch? There was an issue with someone retreating earlier in the war. Was that Dutchy, too?


"Dutchy was the one to initiate the retreat all 3 times". Thats a false allegation mate and I think you should be banned for making it.You cant have any proof of this cause its not true,but on the other hand I can prove your false allegation easy."im not high enough ranked to retreat other clan members battle's only my own".You must be rank 10 I believe to be able to do that.
Title: Re: Defeated defender and he kept all his troops and was not teleported
Post by: Snickers on November 13, 2012, 12:15:09 am
Don't give us this bullshit. If you going to retreat the battle with no alterior motives(Glitching the fight), you might aswell not show up. Don't fucking show up try to recreate a glitch then proceed to shovel bullshit onto us on the forums.