I would say most who are caught deserve it and I hope they are perma banned and consigned to crpg hell, (...)
Even though I am an American, I hereby order the entire country of England to light off fireworks and celebrate on November 5th in order to honor my birthday.
I am very disappointing in Andswaru and crew.
Helping cheaters cheat is just as bad as cheating itself.
You lame fallen cheaters trying to get moral high ground ? LOL.You're sad dude, seriously
You lame fallen cheaters trying to get moral high ground ? LOL.
As multiaccounting is considered cheating in this game, I don't think any Nordman actually supports it. I can't and don't state any official stuff said by the Nordmen, so this is my opinion. Fuck cheaters.
This is also our offical position.@Andwasaru: sounds like you pulled a bullshit move if that's the case: http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/astralis-vs-hospitaller-battles-(attacking-your-own-fiefs)/ (http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/astralis-vs-hospitaller-battles-(attacking-your-own-fiefs)/)
We attacked this village simply before the "other side" could. Nothing more nothing less. Unless of course by moral highground you think I should of let (insert enemy faction here) take all the equip for themselves?
This is also our offical position.
We attacked this village simply before the "other side" could. Nothing more nothing less. Unless of course by moral highground you think I should of let (insert enemy faction here) take all the equip for themselves?
As multiaccounting is considered cheating in this game, I don't think any Nordman actually supports it. I can't and don't state any official stuff said by the Nordmen, so this is my opinion. Fuck cheaters.I agree with his and we'r on the same page here.
We attacked this village simply before the "other side" could. Nothing more nothing less. Unless of course by moral highground you think I should of let (insert enemy faction here) take all the equip for themselves?
I don't think any Nordman actually supports it....yet profits from others doing it...
I agree with his and we'r on the same page here.
So its perfectly fine with you to profit from the mutliaccounting of you allies? You see THATS where we disagree and where I see the problem. Not multiaccounting yourself but still gaining from the multiaccounting of others is still kind of shady in my eyes.
...yet profits from others doing it...
During the whole investigation not a single player name was known, you all were numbers.
After a short period of being good friends with Union and now having several spies within UIF we got it confirmed over and over that they are multiaccounting. And even without this, are you really so naive to think that they stopped it after Harpags 100 keys got banned, but he still is allowed to play? I mean that basicly says that you don't get punished for doing it, this was encouraging other to do the same imo.
What I don't understand is how you still can defend them. I don't think that Nords are Multiaccounting or cheating in any way, thats why i always wanted to have good relations to you, but how can you still be on their side after you now got proof?
As it was said earlier, supporting cheaters and multiaccounters in any way is as bad as doing it by yourself. What you do with attacking a Village who's owner is banned for cheating is basicly the same that Fallens did last strategus to lock their fief down for another 24 hours.
You support their cheating by saving the armies they brought into it.
It would be only fair if there would be an army of flying carpets wiping out this army too like hit happened to fallens in the last strategus.
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I can understand that the other block is celebrating the bans that much, haven't been other things to celebrate this (or any other) strat for them.
I can understand that the other block is celebrating the bans that much, haven't been other things to celebrate this (or any other) strat for them.
Don't drop this low, Gurni. You know you're better than that.
Yeah because we just loooooooooooooooooooove multi accounting stupid.
That's why we've been caught using them so many times, that's why we've been caught cheating so many times, or wait. Look inwards before you look outwards.
Multi accounting is in no way a one sided affair, a lot of people are just better at hiding it -- because there is no BLACK & WHITE way of detecting ALL of it -- a grey area, no pun intended.
There is even people who abuse their family members or loved ones in order to hide multiple accounts. It is both sad and pathetic, but regretfully seen in plenty of games.
You know what is just as bad as multi accounting Mike? CHEATING, which your clan have done and were subsequently punished for. What tons of clans did the last Strategus but were never punished for (duping as if their life depended on it but still failed). Guess how much Nords have cheated, oh, just never. We never even abused any mechanics such as night time, we never attacked outside our own territory at a late hour or morning. We never went around spreading lies and disinformation on IRC and other IM's trying to convince people of this and that fabricated bs. We never kept anything in Strategus we did not fairly win (e.g. bugs and otherwise, we always sought a fair deal). Now look at your clan's history, and your friends' clans. Then shut the fuck up, would you 8-).
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Now look at your clan's history, and your friends' clans. Then shut the fuck up, would you 8-).
We never kept anything in Strategus we did not fairly win (e.g. bugs and otherwise, we always sought a fair deal).
Flawed logic is the rule in strategus drama
Curin Castle?
Don't mean to instigate further, but AFAIK "never" is an inappropriate word in that context.
I hope you're joking...
We offered Curin Castle to Merc_BlueBerrymuffin along with their gear, we gave their gear but he didn't want the castle.
Maybe you better include me, because I stand behind my clan's decisions and I was always fine with having Greys and UIF as allies as they're friendly players and I always enjoyed being in Grey/DRZ/Union battles.so cheating is bad, we all understand that and seem to agree on that. Then there are those who either ignore or even encourage it, don't saying Nords would be part of that at all
After all this is just a game and as long as it wasn't proven that people used multiaccounts, there was nothing bad about supporting them. And still, if our leaderships decides to be still allied with Greys, that will not be a reason for me to leave or take a step away.
Yeah because we just loooooooooooooooooooove multi accounting stupid.
That's why we've been caught using them so many times, that's why we've been caught cheating so many times, or wait. Look inwards before you look outwards.
Multi accounting is in no way a one sided affair, a lot of people are just better at hiding it -- because there is no BLACK & WHITE way of detecting ALL of it -- a grey area, no pun intended.
There is even people who abuse their family members or loved ones in order to hide multiple accounts. It is both sad and pathetic, but regretfully seen in plenty of games.
You know what is just as bad as multi accounting Mike? CHEATING, which your clan have done and were subsequently punished for. What tons of clans did the last Strategus but were never punished for (duping as if their life depended on it but still failed). Guess how much Nords have cheated, oh, just never. We never even abused any mechanics such as night time, we never attacked outside our own territory at a late hour or morning. We never went around spreading lies and disinformation on IRC and other IM's trying to convince people of this and that fabricated bs. We never kept anything in Strategus we did not fairly win (e.g. bugs and otherwise, we always sought a fair deal). Now look at your clan's history, and your friends' clans. Then shut the fuck up, would you 8-).
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You know what is just as bad as multi accounting Mike? CHEATING, which your clan have done and were subsequently punished for.Indeed cheating is bad but just as vibe said:
Also Cooties, you cannot really compare our "cheating" to massive multiaccounting. As far as I know (I might not be informed enough), our worst crime was attacking our own fief to lock it down from being attacked
Then shut the fuck up, would you 8-).Even with Jack Nicholson being a great actor .gif's never help in a serious topic and this one just shows me how mad you seem to be about it.
I am but more for the flying carpets to engage in an amount now depending on convicted members of what ever faction.
For everyone who stays banned of one faction after carefully looking into those cases, calculate the % of those to the overall faction members, perhaps add some % as the more there are in one faction the more likely the leaders knew and supported this multiaccounting. Then use those calculated % to get a related amount of fiefs attacked by flying carpets. Punishment over, discussion over, get on with your lives.
Guess how much Nords have cheated, oh, just never. We never even abused any mechanics such as night time, we never attacked outside our own territory at a late hour or morning. We never went around spreading lies and disinformation on IRC and other IM's trying to convince people of this and that fabricated bs. We never kept anything in Strategus we did not fairly win.
Now look at your clan's history, and your friends' clans.
In no way did I ever accuse the Nords of multiaccouting or cheating themselfs. All I say in here is that in my honest opinion you are knowingly profiting of your allies cheating.
As Vibe elabotated I personally dont think its possible that some UIF clans did not know about the multiaccouting of their members. And with a lot of them getting banned I cant see you - as the nords- being blind to the multiaccouting of your close allies.
The fact that you seem to accept this is what I wanted to discuss in this thread.
And since this seems to be of utter great importance to you just 2 battles that show whats going on:
Nords bailing out banned Grey Order multiaccounter:
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=1173
DRZ bailing out banned DRZ multiaccoutner:
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=1189
You are right saying you never cheated but as I said before with this you actively SUPPORT multiaccounters.
Why do you feel the need that you have to discuss what we do..? :|
€: And just to clear something out: I like Nords. You have some nice members and I respect your skills in the game. Hell some of you even became Fallens...I just dont like to have to see Nords being part in this shady doings. Makes me feel bad to see a old respected clan being connected to something like this.This.
This.
And the drama
but main reason is the quote.
And I dont care for the gear. I dont like their choice of armor anyway tbh.
This is also our offical position.
We attacked this village simply before the "other side" could. Nothing more nothing less. Unless of course by moral highground you think I should of let (insert enemy faction here) take all the equip for themselves?
Nords attacking these fiefs means you are accepting/trasnferrring gear obtained from cheating, whereas if their enemies had atatcked, at the very least the few members not banned can hire a roster and actually have a battle, thats not cheating. Shame on you Nords for fucking participating in cheating by laundering out all their equipment gained by cheating. Your cheap semantics do not rationalize away the fact that you are cheating by using your cheating friends gear. No moral high ground, just desperation now that all your big allies turn out to be really 3 guys (slight exaggeration), so you rationalize your own cheating.
That equipment should either be destroyed or left to be attacked by legitimate foes who can fight auto Ai roster who will have that gear or whoever the few remaining members desire to hire. From now on Nords are at the same level as all the other cheaters, sold any integrity you had to grab gear and fiefs obtained by cheating.
Get a life.
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also mike, its touchy because you are claiming we shouldnt further our current actions, and if we do we are basicly cheating, thats the main message comming from you, ofc its touchy.... but everybody with abit of a brain sees you want more people to take on this perspective of yours, and are hoping we will submit to your logic
cheating, supporting cheating kinda same smear in my book. you draw the conclusion that we are supporting cheating because we are doing the next logical step in strat, to keep our side of the war afloat. even you must be able to see the greater picture here. pestering the nords with supporting cheating is just childish at this point. you gave your oppinion , you got our oppinion. i think thats enough for now? do you? because seeing things form your perspective isnt hard and is different than forcing an oppinion down a thread.
and here comes gnjus, thread officialy dead now folks.
I know Im gonna keep getting ignored coz theres no dirt to throw at me, just please think about what makes your game more enjoyable and why do you play it in the first place, thank you.I have NO idea who you are but you seem to look at my thread and think about whats writen in here without instantly going rampage on me Thanks :D