I want to tell the support weakened archers, you can play the archers over three life this? If you are an archer, I would think you should know, the hardship of the archers on the battlefield! This time, the update adds a running punishment skilled, to let archers would have a single means of attack, become more single! Strongbow archers to attack the premise and running archers guarantee of life. The archers to abandon the heavy armor, to give up the melee weapons. Now have to give up running, that Archer what is left? Balance of the game, not by weakening a career that can be achieved. The CRPG battlefield personnel balance system there are major problems, do not you think you? Damage the interests of some people, to meet the interests of the people of the other part, which is not a good idea. Archers to face almost all of the enemy: cavalry sword and shield, crossbowmen, throwing. Please tell me, which one of these occupations career no restraint archers. Cavalry hit, cut, stab, Sword and shield of the shield. Crossbowman the continued targeting and attack power. Throwing the spike. Which of the archer, not fatal? Why let the archers survive the various threats more vulnerable.
CRPG author, you hate the archers? Only for running punish skilled archer? Or all remote career? If you hate so remote. I suggest, cancel archers, crossbowmen, throwing, riding and shooting and all long-range career! Return we the +3 range weapons reincarnation point, the return of our skill points, leaving only the cavalry and infantry. Finally, I would like to say: Please respect each career. Please respect each professional players, rather than respect for a career! Thank you!
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: cxalc on November 02, 2012, 06:03:46 am
to summerize, blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablabla not to nerf the rangers or delete them :evil:
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Pollux on November 02, 2012, 06:30:27 am
to summerize, blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablabla not to nerf the rangers or delete them :evil:
But... that would be genocide D:
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: TugBoat on November 02, 2012, 06:32:47 am
I love all of the Chinese members of this community
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Arathian on November 02, 2012, 06:39:55 am
You know that something went wrong with the patch since even chinese cRPG players join here to complain about it.
But everything is fine when the whole community except archers is complaining about archers :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Haboe on November 02, 2012, 10:53:19 am
You all have no idea yet how archery is going to turn out... ATM ITS OP... yes some builds are fcked, but other builds became very very op: http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/current-archers/
So just wait for the next patch that comes soon until you all rally to kill the mod :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Kafein on November 02, 2012, 10:57:43 am
You all have no idea yet how archery is going to turn out... ATM ITS OP... yes some builds are fcked, but other builds became very very op: http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/current-archers/
So just wait for the next patch that comes soon until you all rally to kill the mod :mrgreen:
This.
Also, I'm pretty sure it's not a good idea to protest that much for someone living in mainland China (I guess ?).
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: 0Baylor0 on November 02, 2012, 02:40:03 pm
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Grumbs on November 02, 2012, 02:47:07 pm
Ranged in this is like baby's first FPS game. Slow moving targets that don't shoot back, Point & click, fast projectiles, spammable shots
Meh, either the ranged needs more depth or they need to be very weak imo. when the shots are made accurate you can see how easy it is..simply making it less accurate doesn't make it harder, just makes it more managable for non-ranged. Its more of a band-aid solution but its better than nothing
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Miwiw on November 02, 2012, 02:48:02 pm
Bah, somehow I cant copy chinese stuff from google translator. :p
Dear chinese friends, Do not worry about the recent changes. The next patch will make it alright, however kiting won't be possible anymore, once bows and arrows get a heavy weight bonus. In the end Archers will have their old dmg and accuracy back and they "just" be slower in moving speed terms. That means they should get some 1h/2h wpf to fight in combat and equip a weapon. of course some Archers will still try to run. Who knows how it will look like. But one important thing: Whoever respecced now, got really fucked once the changes are reverted.
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Riddaren on November 02, 2012, 02:49:23 pm
Kiting archers makes sense. That is how archers should play imo. If you can't deal with it, well you have yourself to blame.
Either make sure your team kills these archers early in the round or simply wait for flags if they are last instead of chasing them dying.
This nerf only makes archery less skill based imo. There is a big difference between a good and bad archer. That difference is made smaller with thsi nerf.
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Kafein on November 02, 2012, 02:51:46 pm
So, no melee class is supposed to counter archers ?
You made a choice when you picked your build and proficiency. If you don't have enough athletics as a melee infantry player to catch an archer, why should the archer get punished for it?
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: matt2507 on November 02, 2012, 02:58:33 pm
guys.. its a bug...
Just wait
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Gristle on November 02, 2012, 03:01:59 pm
I don't know about EU, but NA is filled with Strength builds. Very few people actually build to catch archers. I think the popular shield build doesn't go over 15 AGI, and that's the class that's supposed to counter archers. It might help if raising our shield didn't slow us down so much I suppose. Higher Shield skill should reduce the raised shield speed reduction maybe? Why not buff the archery counters rather than nerf archery?
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Kafein on November 02, 2012, 03:04:19 pm
You made a choice when you picked your build and proficiency. If you don't have enough athletics as a melee infantry player to catch an archer, why should the archer get punished for it?
Because only leoking can actually catch an archer without dying in the process 90% of the time ?
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Mogh on November 02, 2012, 03:20:00 pm
The main counter to ranged atm is more ranged, which is a problem imo as you just get more and more ranged players
I would buff shields very slightly by reducing their weight a bit. This would balance them slightly against crossbows and allow you to approach a bit faster. ATM you can just take a crossbow rather than a defensive shield and weigh the same or less. I think the forcefield should somehow be separated between melee hits and ranged..big force against ranged, realistic force field against melee. The shield protects back hits, hits through horses feet sometimes even. Its crazy on cav especially
I would buff heavy armour specifically against ranged if possible. Atm you're better off with more speed than a bit more armour imo. The armour gets a huge RNG element added too, so even if you have like 70 armour only 50% of that might count towards your protection, but you always get the negative element of extra weight. If I could I would give ranged their own values in terms of damage vs armour, separate from melee vs armour. So ranged could still defend in melee against armoured players, but ranged would mostly choose to shoot weaker armoured units like other ranged or horses
Cav are getting some tweaks anyway I think and I don't see how they can be tweaked to counter range without making them too OP
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on November 02, 2012, 04:11:29 pm
支持楼主！！！！
请作者还我们公道
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Smoothrich on November 02, 2012, 04:14:45 pm
I don't know about EU, but NA is filled with Strength builds. Very few people actually build to catch archers.
I did a 15/24 shielder for 2 gens, it couldn't catch kiting archers. Nothing could except cav or other ranged. Thus you got a shitty game.
Delete shields, replace with dual wielding 1handers. Delete the accounts of any ranged player with multiple gens so they have no chance to respec, and remove all bows. Mod Saved.
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: 0Baylor0 on November 02, 2012, 04:16:09 pm
我想问大家，为什么，大多数职业牺牲跑动去实现高强击，高防御。高盾防，高骑术之后，追不到弓箭手的高跑动，为什么，这样的后果，需要我们弓箭手去承担。。。 为什么不是大多数职业去削弱高强击，高盾防，高骑术，而提高高跑动。而达到追上弓箭手的目的呢？ 这难道就是平衡，和公平吗？我觉得，这是明显的偏袒！ I would like to ask you why, most career sacrifice running strike to achieve high strength, high defense. High shield defense, after the high-riding, fail to recover archers running, why such consequences, we need archers to bear. . . Why not most career to undermine the high-strength blow shield against high-riding, and improve the high running. To catch up with the purpose of archers achieve it? Is it is balanced, and fair? I think that this is the obvious favoritism!
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Molly on November 02, 2012, 04:22:37 pm
I did a 15/24 shielder for 2 gens, it couldn't catch kiting archers. Nothing could except cav or other ranged. Thus you got a shitty game.
Delete shields, replace with dual wielding 1handers. Delete the accounts of any ranged player with multiple gens so they have no chance to respec, and remove all bows. Mod Saved.
I did a 15/24 shielder too (but only 1 gen). I had it way easier to catch archers when I dropped the shield. Dodging arrows is way better than holding a shield if you want to take out archers.
Hell, as a crossbowman I usually have it easier to hit shielders than non shielders. The shield only protects a small part of them and they are way easier to hit because of the low movement speed.
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Malaclypse on November 02, 2012, 04:38:56 pm
OP's post is one of the most beautiful things I've ever read.
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Gnjus on November 02, 2012, 05:12:53 pm
Please respect each career. Please respect each professional players, rather than respect for a career! Thank you!
...what the.......can some of the Greys please advise this lad of the latest online translators that could make him a bit more understandable ? Hasul ? Harpag ? Anyone ? :?
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Sarpton on November 02, 2012, 05:45:49 pm
When did we get some many Chinese people on the forums?
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Boss_Awesome on November 02, 2012, 05:53:44 pm
Edit: well they are changing it back so no need to rage...
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: _Tak_ on November 02, 2012, 06:16:15 pm
I did a 15/24 shielder for 2 gens, it couldn't catch kiting archers. Nothing could except cav or other ranged. Thus you got a shitty game.
Delete shields, replace with dual wielding 1handers. Delete the accounts of any ranged player with multiple gens so they have no chance to respec, and remove all bows. Mod Saved.
Shielders are not a good counter to kiting archers. Shielders with throwing on the other hand...
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Segd on November 02, 2012, 11:40:04 pm
江南风格! Jiangnan style! (Stupid Google translate :lol: )
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: yetuyetu on November 03, 2012, 02:48:47 am
Relax, there are always complaint after major update. Chinese archers cannot represent all the other chinese players, who are still testing the new patch :lol:
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: 0Baylor0 on November 03, 2012, 02:53:06 am
Ranged in this is like baby's first FPS game. Slow moving targets that don't shoot back, Point & click, fast projectiles, spammable shots
you can give him - but he's right. If you want archery to be hard hidding and able to kite and bloody accurate, you are not different from the 2h crying for not having a top speed/dmg/ length weapon anymore. In no way the ranged gameplay is fair compared to the depth of melee fighting. make it harder to play and we can talk about buffing it
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: yetuyetu on November 03, 2012, 03:49:59 am
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Bonze on November 04, 2012, 03:00:44 pm
自由中国
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Camaris on November 04, 2012, 03:07:35 pm
Vermutlich will er, dass jeder hier seine eigene Sprache benutzt ;) Leider gibts im deutschen nicht so schöne Bildchen ;)
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Kuujis on November 04, 2012, 03:40:15 pm
Visiškai pritariu Camaris, kas per nesąmonė kalbėt ne savo kalba, kai galima kalbėt savo kalba. Kaip sakoma - kai esi Romoje - (pasirodo nebūtinai) elkis kaip romėnas. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Elio on November 04, 2012, 05:34:30 pm
Je ne comprends rien de ce que vous dites, mais continuons ainsi!
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Oberyn on November 04, 2012, 05:35:48 pm
I like that the chinese are starting to give feedback on the main forums, I guess all the item additions make them feel more of a part of the community :D
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: LordBerenger on November 04, 2012, 05:37:59 pm
Rösta SD 2014 eller låt finnarna och araberna invadera Sverige!
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: slimpyman on November 04, 2012, 06:14:44 pm
heck yeah. thats what i think. archery nerf was brutal and unnessecary. im not ranged. but i think it was silly.
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: irvine on November 04, 2012, 07:39:01 pm
I want to tell the support weakened archers, you can play the archers over three life this? If you are an archer, I would think you should know, the hardship of the archers on the battlefield! This time, the update adds a running punishment skilled, to let archers would have a single means of attack, become more single! Strongbow archers to attack the premise and running archers guarantee of life. The archers to abandon the heavy armor, to give up the melee weapons. Now have to give up running, that Archer what is left? Balance of the game, not by weakening a career that can be achieved. The CRPG battlefield personnel balance system there are major problems, do not you think you? Damage the interests of some people, to meet the interests of the people of the other part, which is not a good idea. Archers to face almost all of the enemy: cavalry sword and shield, crossbowmen, throwing. Please tell me, which one of these occupations career no restraint archers. Cavalry hit, cut, stab, Sword and shield of the shield. Crossbowman the continued targeting and attack power. Throwing the spike. Which of the archer, not fatal? Why let the archers survive the various threats more vulnerable.
CRPG author, you hate the archers? Only for running punish skilled archer? Or all remote career? If you hate so remote. I suggest, cancel archers, crossbowmen, throwing, riding and shooting and all long-range career! Return we the +3 range weapons reincarnation point, the return of our skill points, leaving only the cavalry and infantry. Finally, I would like to say: Please respect each career. Please respect each professional players, rather than respect for a career! Thank you!
Title: Re: Strongly protest this update
Post by: Kuujis on November 04, 2012, 07:54:30 pm