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Title: Poor long voulge.
Post by: owens on October 27, 2012, 04:05:29 am
I picked one up the other day.

I don't know how the poor thing made it into the arena, but anyway it wasn't that bad except that for such a long, slow and heavy weapon it didn't do a huge amount of damage. Even with 130wpf and 8PS I found that a glaive was much more devastating.



I think it should either have its attack directions back or get an extra damage point.



Could we reuse the model and just shorten it down to make a "soldiers voulge". Currently the voulge as a weapon subclass has an awful peasant weapon and a beautiful but useless behemoth in it. Would a new voulge be worth it?



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Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: To Kill A Dead Horse on October 27, 2012, 05:41:08 am
I cried for a week straight when they made the long vougle a 2-D weapon.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Inglorious on October 27, 2012, 06:27:08 am
Quote from: To Kill A Dead Horse on October 27, 2012, 05:41:08 am
I cried for a week straight when they made the long vougle a 2-D weapon.

I felt your pain as well. It's a very awe striking weapon, but isn't very effective when compared to others.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Vodner on October 27, 2012, 08:05:29 am
Please make it a 4d weapon again. It would make my day to see Bars all happy.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: owens on October 27, 2012, 08:11:35 am
^look I don't think that is the answer, but I admit it was my favorite weapon.


I think taking it up to 38 or even 40 cut wouldn't be crazy. 
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Kafein on October 27, 2012, 03:34:30 pm
As a 4-D weapon it would be balanced if hitting with anything but the actual blade did no damage.

But yeah, pretty much all 4-D polearms would be balanced if it worked like that.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: HarunYahya on October 27, 2012, 06:09:35 pm
It wasn't OP or overused when it had 4d , only bars had +3 of that , i think that nerf was some personal shit between bars and a dev !
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Kafein on October 27, 2012, 06:31:02 pm
Quote from: koyama on October 27, 2012, 06:09:35 pm
It wasn't OP or overused when it had 4d , only bars had +3 of that , i think that nerf was some personal shit between bars and a dev !

It wasn't overused, but still OP as fuck. If you don't think being able to swing for full damage when you start your animation with your weapon already into your target (effectively making this weapon faster than say a 1h right swing) + not even using the blade is balanced, I believe you need a brain implant. Now.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Leshma on October 27, 2012, 07:08:01 pm
Had Mighty Long Voulge and badly wanted to keep it (mostly because of Bars) but in the end I  use blacksmith on it.

Horrible weapon, low value, bad stats. Whoever decided to nerf it, made stupid mistake.

Long Voulge, victim of Strategus.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Vodner on October 27, 2012, 08:55:03 pm
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If you don't think being able to swing for full damage when you start your animation with your weapon already into your target (effectively making this weapon faster than say a 1h right swing) + not even using the blade, I believe you need a brain implant. Now.
Maybe this is because I have a decent ping, I don't think that's overpowered at all. I play a lot of 1h too.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: HarunYahya on October 27, 2012, 08:59:01 pm
Quote from: Kafein on October 27, 2012, 06:31:02 pm
It wasn't overused, but still OP as fuck. If you don't think being able to swing for full damage when you start your animation with your weapon already into your target (effectively making this weapon faster than say a 1h right swing) + not even using the blade, I believe you need a brain implant. Now.
For fucking fucks sake don't fucking comment on a weapon that you never ever played it for more than an hour.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Pentecost on October 27, 2012, 09:19:00 pm
The guy who got me into the game told me a while back that the Long Voulge got nerfed literally because one of the devs was unable to fight against an 85 speed weapon and got taken to town by it. Is this true, or just an embellishment on his part?
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on October 27, 2012, 10:01:01 pm
I have a loomed long voulge and I can't get rid of it and I don't want to play with it. It's actually rather good for fighting with a lot of teammates and trying to break shields, but that is the only use. It's rubbish otherwise. :(
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: isatis on October 27, 2012, 10:30:00 pm
it's my loomed voulge you got :P

2-D was playable.. but since the overhead and stab nerf.. it's impossibru
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Kafein on October 27, 2012, 10:41:13 pm
Quote from: koyama on October 27, 2012, 08:59:01 pm
For fucking fucks sake don't fucking comment on a weapon that you never ever played it for more than an hour.

How can you know ? I don't complain about things without being sure they are fucked up first. The old long voulge was a pure hiltslasher weapon, with all the horrible things this implies. I did it too, I even used for months the most horrible weapon of all time : the looney tunes axe. Even though I had much fun doing nothing but hiltslashing myself, I can say it was totally lame. I needed to block once in a blue moon, just like Bars btw, and that's just fucked up.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: HarunYahya on October 27, 2012, 11:09:26 pm
Quote from: Kafein on October 27, 2012, 10:41:13 pm
How can you know ? I don't complain about things without being sure they are fucked up first. The old long voulge was a pure hiltslasher weapon, with all the horrible things this implies. I did it too, I even used for months the most horrible weapon of all time : the looney tunes axe. Even though I had much fun doing nothing but hiltslashing myself, I can say it was totally lame. I needed to block once in a blue moon, just like Bars btw, and that's just fucked up.
Because i used that weapon and it is nothing close to what you described ;)
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: owens on October 29, 2012, 09:12:23 am
Kafien.

No offence

Long voulge was a good weapon for fighting many bad players at once.

It was useless against 1 good player or 2 good players.  I think with 85 speed rating hilt slashing really wont be a problem it isn't that much more than the glaive or fauchard. Also with turn speed reduction on long weapons....


What if they shortened the model down to 160 reach?



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Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Largg on October 29, 2012, 09:33:21 am
It's 40 cut now btw. Better but still not very tempting. Wouldn't mind seeing even more cut and price increased. Compared to for example persian battle axe with 48c current 40c on long voulge is ridiculously low.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Torben on October 29, 2012, 10:34:35 am
Quote from: koyama on October 27, 2012, 06:09:35 pm
It wasn't OP or overused when it had 4d , only bars had +3 of that , i think that nerf was some personal shit between bars and a dev !

twas strat issue for sure
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Jarlek on October 29, 2012, 04:31:52 pm
Give it some love. Do it for Bars.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Spa_geh_tea on October 29, 2012, 11:27:28 pm
Quote from: Kafein on October 27, 2012, 10:41:13 pm
How can you know ? I don't complain about things without being sure they are fucked up first. The old long voulge was a pure hiltslasher weapon, with all the horrible things this implies. I did it too, I even used for months the most horrible weapon of all time : the looney tunes axe. Even though I had much fun doing nothing but hiltslashing myself, I can say it was totally lame. I needed to block once in a blue moon, just like Bars btw, and that's just fucked up.

Man if that's the reason for the 2d Nerf......then I say everything except 1h should be 2d because they hiltslash.

Especially those 2h and polearms, not so much the throwing and xbows.

Seriously....the hiltslash arguement is invalid. All weapons hiltslash, 1h is more sensative and more prone to glancing. That about sums that one. (Nerf everything except 1h. :D )

I'm sure the devs will give it back 4d when they implement the segmented weapon hitbox change. Whenever the hell that is.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Miley on October 30, 2012, 01:59:55 am
Keep it how it is, and/either add add damage, make it balanced, and (or) make it faster.
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Bars on October 31, 2012, 04:02:52 pm
Give me my treasure back. And I'll show you, how can fight happy Bars !

P.S. I dont have problems with Devs, they just nerfed it.

sry for my bad english  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Bars on October 31, 2012, 04:16:29 pm
oh one more thing...What about Fauchard? dmg nerfed. So its new chipped weapon on Strategus . So what wait me now? U nerfed Long voulge three times. And now u nerfed my new weapon.... :?

sry for my bad english  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: Muunilinst on October 31, 2012, 04:22:15 pm
poor bars allways looms the nerfed weapons  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Poor long voulge.
Post by: a_bear_irl on October 31, 2012, 11:41:28 pm
i've literally never seen a long voulge on NA battle, just give the poor guy his 4d back