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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Draulius on October 13, 2012, 05:49:02 am

Title: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Draulius on October 13, 2012, 05:49:02 am
This thing stinks. It's one of the easiest shield to break in the game, and has the least coverage. It does have low weight and high speed though, so it is okay for duels (though you'll have to dodge more than block or else it will still break). So why does it cost so much? There are a lot of cheaper shields nearly as fast with much more coverage, so why is this one of the most expensive? It's even more expensive than the MUCH superior Steel Buckler. Perhaps it's one of those "showoff" items to prove your skill, like when people fight in peasant's clothing, but they don't use shields so probably not.

Please re-work this item's price.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Strider on October 13, 2012, 06:06:33 am
I think the sheild skill requirement + price should be lowered. And it's speed + HP/armor should be raised.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Draulius on October 13, 2012, 06:21:03 am
The speed and hp are already high enough, but yes, the armor could be buffed. Realistically, it appears as if it would have as much armor as the Steel Buckler. So I'd suggest not only making the price lower somewhat, but also buffing the armor.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Pentecost on October 13, 2012, 07:46:34 am
Did you guys forget the part where it's the only zero slot shield there is? It's meant to give a hybrid 1h/arbalester or other similarly uncommon slot hungry build the option of using a weak but expensive shield in a pinch. This is the reason it doesn't fare too well in sustained melee; it wasn't meant to be used in sustained melee or pitched fighting.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Draulius on October 13, 2012, 08:04:42 am
I don't care if it has 0 slots, it still has awful stats and shouldn't cost this much.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Ptolemy on October 13, 2012, 01:37:30 pm
It's fine how it is. With half decent shield skill it's a passable option, especially when you take into account that it's 0 slots.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Moncho on October 13, 2012, 01:51:36 pm
It is not meant to be a great shield, it is meant to be a backup shield for hybrids that do not have the slots for that (a rus/longbow/arbalest hybrid with shielder.
Also, have you ever seen leoking in the servers? You just need big amounts of shield skill. It is very good on 12/27 builds and similar
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Draulius on October 13, 2012, 05:45:50 pm
Quote from: Moncho on October 13, 2012, 01:51:36 pm
It is not meant to be a great shield, it is meant to be a backup shield for hybrids that do not have the slots for that (a rus/longbow/arbalest hybrid with shielder.
Also, have you ever seen leoking in the servers? You just need big amounts of shield skill. It is very good on 12/27 builds and similar
No, what does leoking do?
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 13, 2012, 05:47:00 pm
Leoking crutches an extremely agi based build and a buckler, pretty sure he got like 9 shield skill.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Leshma on October 15, 2012, 07:25:52 pm
Using it with 5 shield skill. Not bad.

Can't take much beating but it does stop arrows.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Draulius on October 15, 2012, 08:55:54 pm
I did use it with 5 shield skill and it's absolute garbage.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Kafein on October 16, 2012, 12:56:05 am
No, no, no, no and NO

Both bucklers are horribly unrealistic (in the OP way) in this game. You can block arrows even though you really shouldn't, and the round one has like double the effective coverage of any rectangular shield, just because it's round. Also, they both look terrible.

The same applies to all shields. A reality check is much needed when you look at what round and non-round shield actually cover ingame.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Draulius on October 16, 2012, 03:06:36 pm
Quote from: Kafein on October 16, 2012, 12:56:05 am
the round one has like double the effective coverage of any rectangular shield, just because it's round.
Really? It has 3 width, most other shields have above 20. Nice try...
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Vibe on October 16, 2012, 03:13:39 pm
Quote from: Draulius on October 16, 2012, 03:06:36 pm
Really? It has 3 width, most other shields have above 20. Nice try...

I can see you have no clue how shields work in this game
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Kafein on October 16, 2012, 03:32:56 pm
Quote from: Vibe on October 16, 2012, 03:13:39 pm
I can see you have no clue how shields work in this game

This 1000 times.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 16, 2012, 03:35:45 pm
Quote from: Kafein on October 16, 2012, 03:32:56 pm
This 1000 times.
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There you go, friend.

Anyways, it's only viable with high agi builds and lets keep it that way.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Kafein on October 16, 2012, 03:49:25 pm
Quote from: Joseph_Porta on October 16, 2012, 03:35:45 pm
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There you go, friend.

Anyways, it's only viable with high agi builds and lets keep it that way.

Quote from: Kafein on April 26, 2012, 06:27:27 pm
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I win !
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 16, 2012, 04:40:26 pm
Quote from: Kafein on October 16, 2012, 03:49:25 pm
I win !

I give up! You are The Chosen One!
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Spa_geh_tea on October 16, 2012, 06:23:02 pm
Perhaps an overall shield skill req reduction for all shields.

It only benefits everyone.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: Draulius on October 16, 2012, 10:50:21 pm
Quote from: Spa_geh_tea on October 16, 2012, 06:23:02 pm
Perhaps an overall shield skill req reduction for all shields.

It only benefits everyone.
Doing things just because they benefit people isn't how you balance a game.
Title: Re: Round Steel Buckler
Post by: camperus on October 23, 2012, 10:28:21 pm
Shields are a burden  :P