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cRPG => Archive => Game Admin aBooze => Topic started by: cmp on April 15, 2011, 10:16:38 pm
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Vote ends on April 18th.
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ONLY THE ACCUSED MIGHT POST. EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE IMMEDIATELY MUTED.
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Hi
I've volunteered to do the job as an admin and I've now been an admin for half a year. I don't get paid, and I use a lot of my playtime trying to keep leechers and teamkillers from dominating the servers. To ban a leecher, I have to observe him for several rounds, that means instead of playing and having fun, I have to go into spectate and observe if hes really leeching, so I dont ban anyone by mistake.
This work also means I have to go through lists and write down why I ban people on a very slow banlist (getting fixed soon I hear, YEY!), also stealing a lot of my playtime.
But I do all of this because I love c-rpg. I love the players, you, and I love the mod. I think you all deserve to be able to enjoy this game without teammates killing you or leechers getting the rewards as gold, levels and heirlooms without doing the playing that you do. I've dedicated a lot of time to do this, and Im gonna continue to do that.
In my work as an admin Id have to ban some people. I don't like to do it, but it needs to be done. Some of these people want to be able to leech, teamkill or harass others in the chat, so they get angry when I'm not allowing them to do that. Want me to continue to stop them from doing that? Then you should vote a NO so I can continue to help improving this community.
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+1
Just for you Lillith, love Turtle
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And there you have it.
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Aw, shucks!
Enjoy your immunity, until next time! :evil:
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So, this is proof that he is doing better, right? Hehehehe
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Enjoy your immunity, until next time! :evil:
See, it's stuff like this that clearly shows just how silly this whole system is. Because there probably will be a next time, completely irrespective of whether he actually does anything to warrant it in the meantime. Same bunch of troublemakers always stirring up drama over nothing.
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See, it's stuff like this that clearly shows just how silly this whole system is. Because there probably will be a next time, completely irrespective of whether he actually does anything to warrant it in the meantime. Same bunch of troublemakers always stirring up drama over nothing.
Well we're causing "trouble" for a reason. Obviously something agitated this response from 111 players.
But I agree though, system is flawed.
Edit: Also, "in the meantime"? You're suggesting that people all of a sudden forget his behaviour (that initially caused the demand for this nomination) will suddenly be forgotten just because he barely passed a nomination poll?
People rarely forget these things.
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Hi
I've volunteered to do the job as an admin and I've now been an admin for half a year. I don't get paid, and I use a lot of my playtime trying to keep leechers and teamkillers from dominating the servers. To ban a leecher, I have to observe him for several rounds, that means instead of playing and having fun, I have to go into spectate and observe if hes really leeching, so I dont ban anyone by mistake.
This work also means I have to go through lists and write down why I ban people on a very slow banlist (getting fixed soon I hear, YEY!), also stealing a lot of my playtime.
But I do all of this because I love c-rpg. I love the players, you, and I love the mod. I think you all deserve to be able to enjoy this game without teammates killing you or leechers getting the rewards as gold, levels and heirlooms without doing the playing that you do. I've dedicated a lot of time to do this, and Im gonna continue to do that.
In my work as an admin Id have to ban some people. I don't like to do it, but it needs to be done. Some of these people want to be able to leech, teamkill or harass others in the chat, so they get angry when I'm not allowing them to do that. Want me to continue to stop them from doing that? Then you should vote a NO so I can continue to help improving this community.
yeah right, helping the community.... Scared Nuffin. half the community hates you.
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yeah right, helping the community.... Scared Nuffin. half the community hates you.
Half the community? Then why did only 111 people vote to remove? Is the community only 222 people?
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Well we're causing "trouble" for a reason. Obviously something agitated this response from 111 players.
But I agree though, system is flawed.
No way of knowing just how many of those 111 actually had any kind of reason for voting against him aside from trolling, or being swayed by hearsay from the loudmouths out to get him without actually knowing anything about it themselves. I certainly haven't seen any evidence of wrongdoing at any point whatsoever, but unfortunately the system doesn't require there to be any.
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No way of knowing just how many of those 111 actually had any kind of reason for voting against him aside from trolling, or being swayed by hearsay from the loudmouths out to get him without actually knowing anything about it themselves. I certainly haven't seen any evidence of wrongdoing at any point whatsoever, but unfortunately the system doesn't require there to be any.
Advertising the thread, like he did. Asking people to vote No, because "blah blah tears tears. should be illegal. Or have Admins also advertise people too vote yes, and give the reason given written on the thread.
He approached several clans, asking if there clanleaders if they could vote no,,, its jsut lame tactics
Just watch.. Nuffin will be on powermonger mode in a few days... and sucking #$%^ when next nomination comes up
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Eh, the people who are against him are also taking advantage of the system for personal reasons. What Lilith does to get votes is his business, it's not regulated.
The system is quite simply broken.
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Advertising the thread, like he did. Asking people to vote No, because "blah blah tears tears. should be illegal. Or have Admins also advertise people too vote yes, and give the reason given written on the thread.
He approached several clans, asking if there clanleaders if they could vote no,,, its jsut lame tactics
Are we ignoring the various people who visited the EU servers asking people to vote yes?
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The only way nuffen will be voted out if a RESPECTED member of the eu community starts the vote, not some Merc troll
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i guess we can't have the server following a kind of justice, some will be harsher against some people because they don't like them, some will be cooler with others and support each other, you're gonna watch me all the time and ban me for 3 days or more each time i rage because i was tked, thing that will probably happen a lot as i'm really often tked, and you'll keep spammuting me when there isn't admins from my clan stopping you from abusing, well we have a lot of admins in our clan, i guess it's kinda your way to balance things i guess, and you'll ban others for 1 day for the things you ban me for 3 days well because i'm known and i often open my mouth to say things as i think it
but well, your server, your rules, your admins ... i guess
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No way of knowing just how many of those 111 actually had any kind of reason for voting against him aside from trolling, or being swayed by hearsay from the loudmouths out to get him without actually knowing anything about it themselves. I certainly haven't seen any evidence of wrongdoing at any point whatsoever, but unfortunately the system doesn't require there to be any.
Instead of voting put evidence count.
Lets say, 10 screen shots or logs = demotion. Simple
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The only way nuffen will be voted out if a RESPECTED member of the eu community starts the vote, not some Merc troll
+1
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No way of knowing just how many of those 111 actually had any kind of reason for voting against him aside from trolling, or being swayed by hearsay from the loudmouths out to get him without actually knowing anything about it themselves. I certainly haven't seen any evidence of wrongdoing at any point whatsoever, but unfortunately the system doesn't require there to be any.
Exact same can be said of the "Yes" voters. No way of knowing whether those 158 votes were just the result of his lobbying in the servers or asking NA people to vote in his favour.
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Absolutely. Hence, system = bullshit. Both voting and nominating are totally divorced from genuine evidence of wrongdoing.
Instead of voting put evidence count.
Lets say, 10 screen shots or logs = demotion. Simple
It's for chadz to decide, that sounds like it might be a bit too simplistic. I think it's obvious that something has to change, though.
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Absolutely. Hence, system = bullshit. Both voting and nominating are totally divorced from genuine evidence of wrongdoing.
It's for chadz to decide, that sounds like it might be a bit too simplistic. I think it's obvious that something has to change, though.
Yeah but then we can remove the fact that people are randomly voting. Only accused can post and their evidence can be discussed, which forces people to be more serious about what they are doing and admins has to be more careful about their decisions.
Basically the idea is : only request demoting an admin if you have a strong evidence against them.
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That's just a basic, common-sense guideline already, the only problem is that it's not a requirement, so many people have been gleefully ignoring it. :P
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admins sure are after you, warning you for an intentional teamkill! Total abuse, I hope you got good screenshots to nominate again in 30 days
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True story. Simply to put an Admin abuse i was victim of. I TKed Olwen one round, while i never chip or TK other unknown players on purpose. Basicly i TKed him, and directly 2 seconds later he gives a warning for an innitial 'next time your gone" Like gone ? banned ?
Yeah, abuse plain and simple. You tked someone and got a warning.
Don't want to come across as rude, but are you retarded?
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admins sure are after you, warning you for an intentional teamkill! Total abuse, I hope you got good screenshots to nominate again in 30 days
Very nice answer. Totally shows the level of our admins. Who said it was intentionally ?
Another example of pre-judgement
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Yeah, abuse plain and simple. You tked someone and got a warning.
Don't want to come across as rude, but are you retarded?
nah sorry im not retarted. You'll have to look elsewhere , if your looking for people to join your club
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yes gone as in banned as EVERYONE ELSE would have been.
clearly was intentional in the best case only meant as TA.
obviously you feel too self important to realize that breaking the rules is kinda against the rules.
just because you go on with your omg merc witchhunt you won't get away with stuff like that.
as lolwen is breaking the rules a lot and has zero respect for anyone he is for sure someone a lot of people keep an eye on.
so what's gonna happen from now on is that i will rather choose the harder punishment then the softer one as you guys intentionally try to disrupt our workflow, you try to make it as hard as possible for some admins and so i will start returning the favor.
enjoy.
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Who said it was intentionally ?
You, there:
I TKed Olwen one round, while i never chip or TK other unknown players on purpose.
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Jambi, no need to argue here.
We can debate the poll as much as we want, but at least keep it respectable or it's just going to spiral out of control and the thread will be locked down.
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Quote from: Jambi on Today at 20:26:14
I TKed Olwen one round, while i never chip or TK other unknown players on purpose.
Yes Leiknir. Where do you see the words 'Intentionally TKed Olwen" in that sentence?
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Jambi, no need to argue here.
We can debate the poll as much as we want, but at least keep it respectable or it's just going to spiral out of control and the thread will be locked down.
Prolly best..
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Yes Leiknir. Where do you see the words 'Intentionally TKed Olwen" in that sentence?
It's rather implied by your use of the word "other", actually.
And yes, it's definitely a good idea for everyone to let their tempers and hurt sensibilities cool off a bit. :)
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This whole "election" thing is a fraud.
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back on topic: doesn't anyone think its weird how this is the second time he's been up for abuse (would be 3rd but the 2nd was during the 30 wait) and more people have gone for him keeping his powers? correct me if im wrong but this seems weird how more people are siding with him even though its his second time up.? but anyway you will probably be up for voting again in thirty days.
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It's rather implied by your use of the word "other", actually.
And yes, it's definitely a good idea for everyone to let their tempers and hurt sensibilities cool off a bit. :)
yeah Olwen also is a stranger too me. unpleasant person... dont even want too know him :P
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back on topic: doesn't anyone think its weird how this is the second time he's been up for abuse (would be 3rd but the 2nd was during the 30 wait) and more people have gone for him keeping his powers correct me if im wrong, but this seems weird how more people are siding with him even though its his second time up.?
What, you were expecting (or hoping) him to get voted out regardless of how non-existent the case against him was?
but anyway you will probably be up for voting again in thirty days.
If other people think the same way you do, then yes, probably. :P
yeah Olwen also is a stranger too me. unpleasant person... dont even want too know him :P
To be perfectly honest, I just assumed you'd missed a comma.
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What, you were expecting (or hoping) him to get voted out regardless of how non-existent the case against him was?
If other people think the same way you do, then yes, probably. :P
To be perfectly honest, I just assumed you'd missed a comma.
no I wasn't hoping for him to lose his powers but it just seems weird to me that's all.
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A "+1" only carries so much weight. Even anecdotal evidence was left to a bare minimum here, so I'm really not surprised people weren't convinced.
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A "+1" only carries so much weight. Even anecdotal evidence was left to a bare minimum here, so I'm really not surprised people weren't convinced.
you have a point.
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Can we stop that Merc vs Staff nonsense already? please. Its getting repulsive and off topic.
Mercs vote have ended, its democracy. Suck it up, this is not a clan battle.
Admins, do what you think its the best and stop arguing with players.
If anyone has a problem with an admin, go to IRC and talk to them in person, if you are not convinced, seek advice from other admins period
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Words to live by.
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Can we stop that Merc vs Staff nonsense already? please. Its getting repulsive and off topic.
Mercs vote have ended, its democracy. Suck it up, this is not a clan battle.
Admins, do what you think its the best and stop arguing with players.
If anyone has a problem with an admin, go to IRC and talk to them in person, if you are not convinced, seek advice from other admins period
+1 awesome for you sir.
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Words to live by.
Or die.
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You said it, not me. :wink:
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Can we stop that Merc vs Staff nonsense already? please. Its getting repulsive and off topic.
Mercs vote have ended, its democracy. Suck it up, this is not a clan battle.
Admins, do what you think its the best and stop arguing with players.
If anyone has a problem with an admin, go to IRC and talk to them in person, if you are not convinced, seek advice from other admins period
Agree. I havent had one single player contact me on IRC or in PM with complaints sinse last vote. If people really got a complaint, why not go to me with the complaint?
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This vote is rigged. :|
Lilith you're post is nice and all, I just wish you'd be more open for a small discussion before you ban players (like you did with muffin). You seem to mean the best, but I have the feeling you're not mature enough to handle situations accordingly and cool-headed.
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41,7% of this community are trolls :rolleyes:
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[...]handle situations accordingly and cool-headed.
I never saw Lilith banning anyone for something not worthy a ban (I'm not as active as many others, so I didn't vote at all here), but as far as I read in the forum one problem is that aggression level can be rather high in cRPG. If you get reprehended by an admin although you "didn't do anything wrong" it just raises the level of aggression.
Maybe Lilith should just consider being more "nice" with the first warning and not start speaking about ban immediately.
I know, that sounds like we're all in the kindergarden, but actually we are. cRPG community may be a bit more mature than the multiplayer community of Native (which sucks on big servers) but there are still people who start raging because of peanuts.
Keeping aggression level low should be the first duty of an admin, I think.
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Just to chip in. I really like that Lilith is one of those that actually DO anything about intentional tk'ers. Keep up the good work my man!
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Sometimes, good work, sometimes banning innocents...
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As confirmed by chadz, 10-20% collateral damage is acceptable. :wink:
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Clearly the 155 votes came from NA players, who have no idea what's going on.
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Absolutely. Hence, system = bullshit. Both voting and nominating are totally divorced from genuine evidence of wrongdoing.
It's for chadz to decide, that sounds like it might be a bit too simplistic. I think it's obvious that something has to change, though.
Hey, that is how democracy works too. You know, IRL, people ask others to vote for them as well, without any good reason. That is how singers and strippers and such get into governments. But then, most of the people there do belong. So it works.
Of the votes that have been here, only one has passed and it had a good reason to pass.
First vote on nuffen - imho, he had been doing a few things not as good as they could've been done, but not real abuse. Vote failed.
Second vote on nuffen - afaik, he had improved, hence the results of the vote are a lot more in his favour. Vote failed again.
If there is a third vote on nuffen, i imagine it won't have much support.
How does chadzocracy not work?
VIVA LA chadzISTAN!
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As confirmed by chadz, 10-20% collateral damage is acceptable. :wink:
no collateral damage is acceptable, especially when we are not in a war.
lilith is the only admin that is "admin for real" - he admins more than he plays, which is good. there are some admins that are here only to be admins and do nothing. still for me lilith is to strict, so i gave him +1 too in a nomination phase although i voted opposite in the poll itself. maybe some general thread where admins could be "discussed" would be good so they could get some feedback. now the only feedback is you're suddenly nominated because of abuse before knowing what the community thinks you're doing wrong.
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no collateral damage is acceptable, especially when we are not in a war.
lilith is the only admin that is "admin for real" - he admins more than he plays, which is good. there are some admins that are here only to be admins and do nothing. still for me lilith is to strict, so i gave him +1 too in a nomination phase although i voted opposite in the poll itself. maybe some general thread where admins could be "discussed" would be good so they could get some feedback. now the only feedback is you're suddenly nominated because of abuse before knowing what the community thinks you're doing wrong.
From my point of view im just happy that he actually does something, i much prefer his stricter fashion of admining compared to others where i see the same people getting a warning every round for doing the exact same thing.
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vote was hidden like last time, easy to be doctored pre-release of result
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vote was hidden like last time, easy to be doctored pre-release of result
Oh yeah, Wooki obviously did not deserve to be doctored pre-release even though he was generous monthly donator, yet nuffen somehow managed to convince chadz that he should be kept as an admin... Logic at work. More conspiracy theories please.
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Arh good riddance. One of the best admins here.. keep him!
O and if you think he's too strict. i highly doubt you've ever seen a strickt admin at large.. just sayn
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no collateral damage is acceptable, especially when we are not in a war.
lilith is the only admin that is "admin for real" - he admins more than he plays, which is good. there are some admins that are here only to be admins and do nothing. still for me lilith is to strict, so i gave him +1 too in a nomination phase although i voted opposite in the poll itself. maybe some general thread where admins could be "discussed" would be good so they could get some feedback. now the only feedback is you're suddenly nominated because of abuse before knowing what the community thinks you're doing wrong.
+1
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At least we got such active admins like him, and evryone makes an mistake, if your banned for an accidant go to the unban topic and give a good reason, while after that you can speak to the admin who didn't saw evrything
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Clearly the 155 votes came from NA players, who have no idea what's going on.
You are embarrassing yourself sir.
I blame you for the 155 votes.
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Pssh. Goddamn Mercs, man. I know I woulda voted "no" on this if I hadn't voted yes because I was a cat.
Even though my avatar is a dog. Deception, man.
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This whole "election" thing is a fraud.
:lol:
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Clearly the 155 votes came from NA players, who have no idea what's going on.
There might be some of course, but think more about the hundreds of casual players that play on EU servers and don't come on the forums, they probably don't have a problem with any admin, or they would come and vote. These votes are a fail.