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Title: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Dalfador on October 03, 2012, 09:10:10 pm
Mine is probably the Knightly Kite Shield!

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Post by: Malaclypse on October 03, 2012, 09:16:04 pm
Uber-leet Cavalry Shield

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or the Old Board Shield

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Post by: TurmoilTom on October 03, 2012, 09:17:41 pm
My face is my shield.

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Post by: Tzar on October 03, 2012, 09:20:20 pm
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Post by: bredeus on October 03, 2012, 09:57:47 pm
Knightly Heather Shield is nice imho
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 03, 2012, 10:12:03 pm
Knightly Heather Shield is nice imho
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My favorite shield. 

The knightly heater shield is my favorite shield of all, only requires 4 shield skill, and has a very high body armor.  The Elite Cav Shield is good on foot, but terrible for cavalry lancers who use first person view when thrusting (like me), it covers too much of your screen when not blocking.

I always overlooked it, but the knightly kite shield might be better than the knightly heater...2 less body armor (31), like 20 more HP, and it's 66 width vs 55 for the knightly heater shield....hmm
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Post by: Macropus on October 03, 2012, 11:33:44 pm
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Tried that shield after Tzar recommended it to me, and I wasn't disappointed, this shield is awesome.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Moncho on October 03, 2012, 11:45:11 pm
Currently using the Knightly kite shield, very good al around.
I prefer usually the heavy round shield, but it is unusable on horseback.
About the plate covered round shield, it is good, but you have to completely avoid shieldbreakers, which is a minus for me, plus for a big ping player like me, the speed difference makes me incline towards the other ones
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on October 04, 2012, 12:25:36 am
Steel shield was fun while I had one at +3. You could just stand there in front of as many archers, xbows, and throwers as you wanted and just use the voice command "[ S ]hoot!" over and over. Even lasted 3-5 hits against the really expensive poleaxes.

I also like the way the plain/heavy kite shield looks with a spear.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Malaclypse on October 04, 2012, 12:31:29 am
Steel shield was fun while I had one at +3. You could just stand there in front of as many archers, xbows, and throwers as you wanted and just use the voice command "[ S ]hoot!" over and over. Even lasted 3-5 hits against the really expensive poleaxes.

In some EU siege last strat, this was me. I had just started losing health as indicated by the shield icon. <3 healing tents.

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Post by: Grumpy_Nic on October 04, 2012, 09:42:29 am
Steel buckler with 8 points or more in shield. Just because its lol. Use the force
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Post by: Jarlek on October 04, 2012, 04:46:57 pm
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Looks cool.
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Post by: Garond_PL on October 04, 2012, 05:02:37 pm
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Uruk Hai shield
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Pentecost on October 04, 2012, 05:55:57 pm
Huseby, you misread the height of the Knightly Kite and Heater Shields as their width. The Heater has 25 width to the Kite's 23, which arguably makes the Heater superior for those fighting on foot thanks to shield width being a factor in the equation that checks against hitstun as well as protecting you from greatswords trying to swing around your shield.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Moncho on October 04, 2012, 06:04:30 pm
Huseby, you misread the height of the Knightly Kite and Heater Shields as their width. The Heater has 25 width to the Kite's 23, which arguably makes the Heater superior for those fighting on foot thanks to shield width being a factor in the equation that checks against hitstun as well as protecting you from greatswords trying to swing around your shield.
While what you say is true, the height is a big help against arrows directed at your feet, and imo those 11 height avoid a lot of feet shots, and it more than compensates for the 2 less width
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Jarlek on October 04, 2012, 06:57:40 pm
While what you say is true, the height is a big help against arrows directed at your feet, and imo those 11 height avoid a lot of feet shots, and it more than compensates for the 2 less width
Except shield size counts for jack shit when it comes to head/feet hit. It all depends on the shieldskill.

A guy with 4 and a heater shield is easier to hit the feet on than a guy with 8 and a buckler. Sad, but true.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Froto_the_Loc on October 04, 2012, 10:29:59 pm
I'd have to say mine is the good steel buckler, not the round one.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Moncho on October 04, 2012, 11:11:50 pm
Except shield size counts for jack shit when it comes to head/feet hit. It all depends on the shieldskill.

A guy with 4 and a heater shield is easier to hit the feet on than a guy with 8 and a buckler. Sad, but true.

True that, but for a build with a given amount of shield skill, say 6, if you choose between both, the bigger one will always cover at least a bit more.
Of course for 8+ shield skill the forcefield is large enough to cover your whole body with almost every shield
Also I think that the smaller a shield is the more it benefits from the forcefield, not sure though
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Rebelyell on October 05, 2012, 05:02:25 pm
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and my face
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Post by: Tore on October 05, 2012, 08:37:39 pm
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Post by: Taser on October 05, 2012, 09:55:27 pm
Throwing my vote in for heavy round shield. Love that thing.
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Post by: Jarlek on October 05, 2012, 11:14:57 pm
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+1 for picking the blue one. Fucking love you man!
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Post by: Tore on October 06, 2012, 12:03:08 am
+1 for picking the blue one. Fucking love you man!

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Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tovi on October 06, 2012, 12:34:43 am
I think my next favorite will be the Elite cav shield. But knightlies are good.
I don't know what to think about the plate covered as I'm not sure about the speed real influence.

At level 3, the kite shield is the best.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: genric on October 06, 2012, 09:24:17 pm
Knightly Heather Shield is nice imho
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Gonna agree with this one. It's a strong shield and not too small.
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Post by: Xscizorx on October 07, 2012, 12:38:19 am
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Barbaric style points
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 07, 2012, 04:17:30 am
I like this one alot but it's not véry good, though idk how it plays whenits loomed.
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Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tovi on October 07, 2012, 11:47:11 am
Not so bad but slow.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Phew on October 07, 2012, 04:56:01 pm
Mithril_Soul has a +3 Green Practice shield, that he rarely equips. Just the fact that he would loom a practice shield intimidates me so much that I always die to him.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: OzyTheSage on October 07, 2012, 09:44:47 pm
I don't play a primarily shield-based build, but I figured I'd throw my thoughts in anyhow.

I like the style of most of the kite shields, most are fairly large and display heraldry pretty well, unlike the heater shields (Except maybe the small heater shields). Round shields in general are also pretty good, basic but effective. Board shields make good tower shields that would be awesome in a shield wall but I don't see many people using them anymore, and I don't particularly blame them when you have things like the huscarl shield available.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tovi on October 08, 2012, 11:18:44 am
Board shields are designed for xbower. But they actually don't work as they should do in this situation.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Kirman on October 08, 2012, 11:58:14 am
Elite Cavalry Shield

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Time to leech? This one looks really good with tribal warrior outfit  :lol:

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Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Wingthor on October 08, 2012, 02:35:38 pm
huscarl's and elite cavalary shield are my favorites. But the most time I use huscarl's. It fits better my play style.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Digglez on October 10, 2012, 05:39:37 am
Heavy Infantry's most prized possession, theres a reason why 3 of the top5 NA shielders use them...

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Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Pentecost on October 10, 2012, 05:47:43 am
Who are these shielders you mention, by the way?
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Post by: Malaclypse on October 10, 2012, 06:14:59 am
Who are these shielders you mention, by the way?

Rusty
Mano
????
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 10, 2012, 06:48:31 am
Rusty
Mano
????

Saulcanner uses it sometimes, so I guess him.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Uumdi on October 10, 2012, 09:40:29 am
Statwise Heavy Round + Elite Cav

Style-wise, Horseman's Heater &....

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Hahaha, I dunno, I like it.  Never could use it with any of my armor choices though.  I honestly wanted to join Occitan (but wasn't french) when I first started the mod just to use it.  Then when AoW was around, I always thought it'd be neat to see them all use one.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tovi on October 10, 2012, 06:25:44 pm
I think it's better to loom "speed shields" than heavy shields (like Plate covered, heavy round etc.). Because the speed bonus is only 3 pts, wich doesn't change much.
The overall resistance bonus is more important, and benefit more to the light shields (Elite cav or knightlies).
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: genric on October 10, 2012, 09:44:02 pm
Rusty is a sick shielder and possibly a better one hander haha.

Maybe luk astralis? he is good with a shield but better without also.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on October 11, 2012, 06:18:28 am
I think we can assume dan and san are the two that don't  use it. My favorite shield is the huscarl but I think the best and most versatile is the elite cav shield/knightly heater.
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Post by: brockssn on October 11, 2012, 10:39:49 pm
5 shield, 5 athletics, and medium armor I love my huscarl and willbe +3'ing it asap
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Post by: SeaRaider_jizzimp on October 12, 2012, 10:22:23 pm
Huscarl FTW
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tzar on October 12, 2012, 11:25:35 pm
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Immune to any weapon except the anti shield weapons. [NOTE] Heirloomed  :lol:

This shield will make any Agi 2h spammer brake his fist in fury or die of sleep starvation after futile attempts to take out your shield..

Have good cover like the elite cav shield plus it looks badass.

You can bitch all you want about the speed ratings on it but tbh i dont feel the difference and ive been using both the knightly heather/kite shield.. plus the elite cav shield..

Then again if you have shitload of shield skill like Kinngrimn i would go for the elite cav shield or Huscarl due to weight.

But with shield skill below 8 or 7 my favourite shield is the Plate covered round shield.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tovi on October 13, 2012, 12:43:07 pm
Against good duelers, the slight speed malus can make the difference.
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Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on October 13, 2012, 01:42:09 pm
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Immune to any weapon except the anti shield weapons. [NOTE] Heirloomed  :lol:

This shield will make any Agi 2h spammer brake his fist in fury or die of sleep starvation after futile attempts to take out your shield..

Have good cover like the elite cav shield plus it looks badass.

You can bitch all you want about the speed ratings on it but tbh i dont feel the difference and ive been using both the knightly heather/kite shield.. plus the elite cav shield..

Then again if you have shitload of shield skill like Kinngrimn i would go for the elite cav shield or Huscarl due to weight.

But with shield skill below 8 or 7 my favourite shield is the Plate covered round shield.

same here, with 4 shield skill i prefer this 1, in fight you will not see any difference between plate covered and elite cav shield, but only situation when i will see the difference is after kick, when with elite cav you can put block up and with plate covered allmost 100% you will take a hit. just avoid kick situations and then you will love plate covered shield.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tovi on October 13, 2012, 04:03:12 pm
Good duelers kick...

Why not the heavy round instead ? Better speed, larger, same resistance. You just can't use it on horse.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tzar on October 13, 2012, 04:35:57 pm
Why not the heavy round instead ? Better speed, larger, same resistance.

Ehmn.... not true did a test with phase on the duel server.

Heavy round shield vs Plate covered round shield.

Heavy round shield could take 8/9 hits from hes Danish while the plate covered round shield could take 18/19 hits

That was unloomed imagine how much the extra 53 hp does to the plate covered round shield in terms of hits once you +3 it.

Just saying....  :lol:

But if you have a good amount of shield skill then i would pick the heavy round shield.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on October 13, 2012, 05:05:48 pm
Good duelers kick...

Why not the heavy round instead ? Better speed, larger, same resistance. You just can't use it on horse.

arbalest shot can hit usually thru heavy round shield, and like tzar said npt so cool vs nonshieldbreaking weapons.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Digglez on October 13, 2012, 08:39:15 pm
75 vs 84 stock speed....75 is terrible and means you end up dying ALOT when you THINK shield SHOULD be up and really isnt.  such a slow shield limits the amount of aggressive and counter-attack play you can do
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Andy on October 15, 2012, 12:28:24 am
In some EU siege last strat, this was me. I had just started losing health as indicated by the shield icon. <3 healing tents.

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Woah! What version of windows is that????
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Old_Sir_Agor on October 15, 2012, 06:23:01 am
75 vs 84 stock speed....75 is terrible and means you end up dying ALOT when you THINK shield SHOULD be up and really isnt.  such a slow shield limits the amount of aggressive and counter-attack play you can do

75 and 84 allmost no difference, you can see difference only between 75 and 100, and only in blocking after kicked, with 75 you can be agressive same as with 100 speed.
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Post by: Carthage on October 15, 2012, 06:41:26 am
Heavy Board Shield. Why? Because I love using a front door to shield me. Plus all of that Health makes it great for defending against axes
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Post by: Digglez on October 15, 2012, 08:27:21 am
75 and 84 allmost no difference, you can see difference only between 75 and 100, and only in blocking after kicked, with 75 you can be agressive same as with 100 speed.

you could not be more wrong.  only way of making them even close is getting like 8+ shield skill, which means you're an overall gimp in combat.
Looks like you dont know that the shield animation has nothing to do with shield speed
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Malaclypse on October 15, 2012, 08:32:49 am
Woah! What version of windows is that????

Heh. 7, playing MB in windowed mode always displays those asian characters for some reason. Please forgive the internet explorer, I need it to download other browsers.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Miwiw on October 15, 2012, 12:38:08 pm
Knightly Heather Shield is nice imho
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This and

Knightly Kite Shield

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and Heavy Round Shield

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Cheap by price, good by armor and hp stats. =))
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Sarpton on October 15, 2012, 03:04:43 pm
+1  to the elite cav shield.  I really like it for the speed, and with 5 shield skill it takes quite a beating.  Unless shielder breaker of course, but if they have a shield breaker you should put your shield up anyway.
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Post by: Lizard_man on October 15, 2012, 04:16:03 pm
Heavy kite shield was always my favourite...

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Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: agweber on October 15, 2012, 06:40:03 pm
To add to the discussion of shield speed, I started disliking the high-armor slow-speed shields after realizing how often I would die when going up against many opponents. Sure, in duel the speed isn't nearly as important but when you're getting gang-raped and trying to back up until you can get some other team members you learn to really like that speed.
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Post by: Tzar on October 15, 2012, 06:46:04 pm
To add to the discussion of shield speed, I started disliking the high-armor slow-speed shields after realizing how often I would die when going up against many opponents. Sure, in duel the speed isn't nearly as important but when you're getting gang-raped and trying to back up until you can get some other team members you learn to really like that speed.

Your post doesn't really make any sense  :?  :?:
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Moncho on October 15, 2012, 07:01:37 pm
as much as it hurts me, I must agree with Tzar.
If you are trying to get the hell out of there, you are (should be) just trying to tank your way out, the moment you start returning the hits is when you stop running and have to get back into the fight and in that case, yes, the speed is noticeable, but if you are just trying to get out of there, the high resistance ones are usually better (except against shieldbreakers of course)
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: agweber on October 15, 2012, 10:10:36 pm
I was under the impression that shield speed factored into repeated blocks, but maybe people are hitting my side or feet where my shield isn't covering. When I get hit my shield goes down and all the hits start rolling in. So I guess TIL that shield speed is only for bringing the shield up?
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tzar on October 15, 2012, 10:31:35 pm
shield speed is only for bringing the shield up?

Correct..

An it only matters if your some old man with drown syndrome with the reflexes of a snail... 100+ speed rating shields are overrated completely
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Post by: Osiris on October 15, 2012, 11:24:39 pm
MP Heavy kite shield or the heavy norman ones :D those are some epic shields
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Post by: Digglez on October 16, 2012, 01:48:57 am
Correct..

An it only matters if your some old man with drown syndrome with the reflexes of a snail... 100+ speed rating shields are overrated completely

or when you are fighting multiple opponents, you take a swing...then go to raise your shield and you are vulnerable for .25~ seconds longer because your shield is slow as shit.....so of course you get hit and its game over, u get gangbang stunlocked.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tzar on October 16, 2012, 02:06:14 am
or when you are fighting multiple opponents, you take a swing...then go to raise your shield and you are vulnerable for .25~ seconds longer because your shield is slow as shit.....so of course you get hit and its game over, u get gangbang stunlocked.

No that only happens if your an American or like i said have shit reflexes.  :wink:
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 16, 2012, 09:28:33 am
No that only happens if your an American or like i said have shit reflexes.  :wink:
unloomed and only 5 shield skill is fucked with steel shield :P albeit it can take a serious beating, loomed however its awesome.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Fartface on October 17, 2012, 01:31:34 pm
unloomed and only 5 shield skill is fucked with steel shield :P albeit it can take a serious beating, loomed however its awesome.
Doesn't it require 6 shield?
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 17, 2012, 01:58:29 pm
Doesn't it require 6 shield?
nay! :) i meant plate covered btw :P since Tzar uses it
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Phew on October 17, 2012, 09:02:53 pm
The delay with an 87 speed shield is significant enough that it limits your options compared to a 100 speed shield. Harder to sneak in attacks vs. multiple opponents, harder to feint dropping your block and still recover in time, etc.  However, speeds of 94+ might as well be 100. I wish there were more shields in the 90-100 speed range.

Specifically, a shield with stats averaged between the Heavy Round and Elite Cavalry would be my dream shield. 92 speed, 35 diameter, 300 HP, 18 armor, 6.5 weight.

Only downside to that shield would be the weight is low enough to allow it to be stunned by Nodachi, War Cleaver, Great Axes, Bardiches, etc. At 7.5 weight, the Heavy Round can only be stunned by 4+ weight weapons, which are fairly rare; Bar Maces, Mauls/Mallets, etc. To me, that's the most attractive aspect of being a shielder; you can block held attacks from almost anyone without fear of being block stunned, while still having a fast weapon (1h swords). Longsword may be fast, but you spend half your time unable to attack because of block stun.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tovi on October 18, 2012, 01:34:25 pm
The delay with an 87 speed shield is significant enough that it limits your options compared to a 100 speed shield. Harder to sneak in attacks vs. multiple opponents, harder to feint dropping your block and still recover in time, etc.  However, speeds of 94+ might as well be 100. I wish there were more shields in the 90-100 speed range.

Specifically, a shield with stats averaged between the Heavy Round and Elite Cavalry would be my dream shield. 92 speed, 35 diameter, 300 HP, 18 armor, 6.5 weight.

Only downside to that shield would be the weight is low enough to allow it to be stunned by Nodachi, War Cleaver, Great Axes, Bardiches, etc. At 7.5 weight, the Heavy Round can only be stunned by 4+ weight weapons, which are fairly rare; Bar Maces, Mauls/Mallets, etc. To me, that's the most attractive aspect of being a shielder; you can block held attacks from almost anyone without fear of being block stunned, while still having a fast weapon (1h swords). Longsword may be fast, but you spend half your time unable to attack because of block stun.

Loom the round shield and you have your perfect shield.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Kirman on October 18, 2012, 02:08:35 pm
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I used it on strat for once and it was really annoying. Not just for me all shield wall failed. Somehow enemy archers shot us really easly. It can be good for solo but not for shieldwall imo.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Phew on October 18, 2012, 02:59:07 pm
Loom the round shield and you have your perfect shield.

Round Shield only has 14 armor when loomed, so even unloomed arbalests will shoot through it. With 19 armor, my +3 Heavy Round will stop all bolts excepts from loomed arbalests. The hybrid shield I described would stop ALL bolts when loomed to 22 armor.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Tovi on October 18, 2012, 06:25:50 pm
So, loom the elite cav. It's even better.
Title: Re: What's your favorite shield?
Post by: Phew on October 18, 2012, 07:11:20 pm
Elite Cav trades too much coverage and durability for 'wasted' speed (especially when loomed, since the speed bonus from looming is worthless above 100). Not to mention at only 5.5 weight, it gets stunned by even Sword of War/Claymore.

This is why I'd like a shield between Heavy Round and Elite Cav.